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Experiment POLL: Who supports Marxism-Rodgerism?

Do you support Marxism-Rodgerism

  • Yes

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Blame the jews :feelsjuice:
 
Blame the jews :feelsjuice:
You realise most women would never date a stereotypically looking Jewish guy right? Why the fuck would the Jews want to promote Lookism in society?
 
It was the Marxist plan to push it and subvert traditional on ideals.
Karl Marx literally kicked Victoria Woodhull out of the communist movement because she advocated free love
 
Karl Marx literally kicked Victoria Woodhull out of the communist movement because she advocated free love
Marx was a spoiled rich kid who was lazy and advocated for traditional marriage being dismembered.
 
So you just don't like the label? The name? Are you a NPC?


Nigga I AM wronged by a lack of pussy, and I AM entitled to pussy
That's where you and I differ.

I want a plain playing field. No bullshit taxes or quotas nor nothing. The strong will soar and the weak will plummet. As I am a man, I would either sink or rise, but I still have more of a chance than the average woman (no quotas). But I believe I have the strength of will to succeed in a plain playing field. I don't need no fucking daddy to give me a foid who could even be gross and traumatize me with foid manipulation.
 

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That's where you and I differ.

I want a plain playing field. No bullshit taxes or quotas nor nothing. The strong will soar and the weak will plummet. As I am a man, I would either sink or rise, but I still have more of a chance than the average woman (no quotas). But I believe I have the strength of will to succeed in a plain playing field. I don't need no fucking daddy to give me a foid who could even be gross and traumatize me with foid manipulation.
Nigga you already sunk. Chad always wins. You think people would rather do business with an ugly fuck like you rather than tall alpha Chad?

Employees will ask you for a raise, they won't ask Chad for one.

Business partners will try to screw you over. They won't dare with Chad.

People would rather buy what Chad is selling than from you.
 

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stfu faggot
It's the only way to get artificial wombs. Jeff Bezos would keep that shit secret so men keep giving women money and women keep ordering from Amazon.
 
Marx was a spoiled rich kid who was lazy and advocated for traditional marriage being dismembered.
He said bigger families should get more resources. How is that dismembering them?
 
Nigga you already sunk. Chad always wins. You think people would rather do business with an ugly fuck like you rather than tall alpha Chad?

Employees will ask you for a raise, they won't ask Chad for one.

Business partners will try to screw you over. They won't dare with Chad.

People would rather buy what Chad is selling than from you.
You're the wrong kind of nihilist, nigger. Life isn't "Nothing in life matters... :feelsrope:" it's more like "Nothing in life matters! :feelsLightsaber:"

And nihilism is wrong anyway, I will find my meaning in the grasp of Athena while you continue to stagnate and LDAR. Or are you buying an arsenal to give out to hundreds of men? If you aren't, you're either a sad sack of shit or a hypocrite who doesn't REALLY believe in the cope you chose.
 
You're the wrong kind of nihilist, nigger. Life isn't "Nothing in life matters... :feelsrope:" it's more like "Nothing in life matters! :feelsLightsaber:"

And nihilism is wrong anyway, I will find my meaning in the grasp of Athena while you continue to stagnate and LDAR. Or are you buying an arsenal to give out to hundreds of men? If you aren't, you're either a sad sack of shit or a hypocrite who doesn't REALLY believe in the cope you chose.
How old are you again?
 
How old are you again?
We're around the same age, I'm 26. The only difference is I'm manic and you're neurotic. I see us as having the same psychological profile, but you chose the wrong path to glory.
 
The maifesto is high IQ af apart from only having one vague line at the end put forth as a solution (not that I have it or whatever).
 
The maifesto is high IQ af apart from only having one vague line at the end put forth as a solution (not that I have it or whatever).
I've created lots of threads about possible implementations, check them out
 
The is-ought problem: deriving normative and prescriptive statements, like moral values and moral decisions you should make, from descriptive statements, like facts about the natural world.
The problem about that is that although people do admit in theory that you "cannot derive an ought from an is", everyone does it all the time in practice. The reason is that people will all agree that certain statements of value are not controversial, like "everyone should have enough food to eat" or "every man should have access to sex and intimacy". Because these "oughts" are non-controversial, if you have a theory that appears to make satisfying one of these requirements possible (an "is"), it automatically becomes an "ought". Marxism works like this

Not this shit again. Empirical facts about the world don't need an authority stamp and approval.
They do if you understand them as JTBs because of the "justified" aspect. The word "justified" comes from "justice", obviously, and therefore implies the idea of a court of justice. The J in JTB therefore implies (without clearly owning up to it) that a body must exist to do the justifying. Again, this is the main weakness of the JTB approach and it has been pointed out a number of times. Usually, JTBs are understood to be justified by appeals to "the scientific consensus" or some such. You have to admit that it is hard to justify the existence of the Higgs Boson without an appeal to "the scientific community". Obviously, neither you or I can provide this kind of justification on our own.

I agree that there's basically a "ministry of science" (ala 1984) with the current scientific status quo, but you know that this is the politicization of science and does not (intrinsically) negatively affect the method of science as a means to get closer to truth.
I think that the existence of this "ministry of truth", as you aptly put it, is precisely the consequence of the JTB approach. As I said above, the J in JTB makes the existence of such a "ministry" almost inevitable.

However, if you replace "justification" with trust, then the problem disappears. You are just left with "trusted beliefs" resting on the trust one has in a concrete group of people (with names, known bios, etc). In the end only people exist. Institutions always end up vanishing into thin air (like the Soviet Union or the Baath Party) or being transformed into the opposite of what they were supposed to be (like the CDC). Abstractions are even more open to abuse than institutions.
 
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How old are you again?
I'll admit that you are more well-read than me in a similar lifespan, though it only put delusions in your head it seems.
 
He still hasn't explained himself, and I'm starting to doubt if he will bother. You could be right and this would be history repeating itself.
Yep
This is what happens when you have people who try to authoritatively implement ideas in practice than their wisdom and intelligence level should ever warrant.
This is unavoidable if you remove trust (i.e. authority) from the equation of belief.

This is why the idea of "knowledge" resting on "truth" (without any appeal to trust) is an open door to the kind of abuse we are seeing here.
 
I've created lots of threads about possible implementations, check them out
I thoroughly enjoy how this thread has become a total shit show. Marxism always leads to that anyways. Makes me think of the scenes of chaos at the end of Dostoevsky's Possessed
 
He's still here and he hasn't replied.

Are we or are we not psychologically the same, @mlcurrycel ?
 
He's still here and he hasn't replied.

Are we or are we not psychologically the same, @mlcurrycel ?
I had never noticed that your name revealed that you are a Frenchcel. Honestly, I hadn't fully read it

On l'a tous dans l'os
 
I had never noticed that your name revealed that you are a Frenchcel. Honestly, I hadn't fully read it

On l'a tous dans l'os
It's a case of monkey see monkey do. I saw someone called that in an FPS game and I liked it very much. Only later did I realise it was French. I'm not French, you can figure out where I am from just by searching really hard.
 
It's a case of monkey see monkey do. I saw someone called that in an FPS game and I liked it very much. Only later did I realise it was French. I'm not French, you can figure out where I am from just by searching really hard.
Ok. I see. In French, it is a really common expression
 
The problem about that is that although people do admit in theory that you "cannot derive an ought from an is", everyone does it all the time in practice. The reason is that people will all agree that certain statements of value are not controversial, like "everyone should have enough food to eat" or "every man should have access to sex and intimacy". Because these "oughts" are non-controversial, if you have a theory that appears to make satisfying one of these requirements possible (an "is"), it automatically becomes an "ought". Marxism works like this
So basically, Marxism commits the logical errors in reasoning that, by default, invalidates their philosophy and alleged super moral position from the start.

But how does "everyone do it all the time?" Give me some every day examples, if it's that prevalent.

They do if you understand them as JTBs because of the "justified" aspect. The word "justified" comes from "justice", obviously, and therefore implies the idea of a court of justice. The J in JTB therefore implies (without clearly owning up to it) that a body must exist to do the justifying. Again, this is the main weakness of the JTB approach and it has been pointed out a number of times. Usually, JTBs are understood to be justified by appeals to "the scientific consensus" or some such. You have to admit that it is hard to justify the existence of the Higgs Boson without an appeal to "the scientific community". Obviously, neither you or I can provide this kind of justification on our own.
This is all sophistry. Unintentional, I hope.

When somebody says, "I believe that A is true, because of evidences X, Y and Z," they're not implicitly saying that they have that approval from a body that has reached consensus on X, Y and Z. If you believe that science is advanced through consensus, then you don't understand how science is conducted. The methodology is there so that anyone can do the science, given enough resources and the requisite understanding. I may not be able to prove the existence of the Higgs Boson on my own, because I'm not a trained particle physicist and don't have acres of land with a particle accelerator underground, but I can do the next best thing which is to educate myself on the topic and read the reports (papers) of their experiments.

If I prove a theorem, I don't need other mathematicians to agree with my proof to then be passed with a seal of approval to the Ministry of Science. If the logic is consistent, then anyone could follow it and reach the same true conclusion.

I think that the existence of this "ministry of truth", as you aptly put it, is precisely the consequence of the JTB approach. As I said above, the J in JTB makes the existence of such a "ministry" almost inevitable.
This doesn't make any sense. Such an institution would be the result of a polity that enacts such a thing into existence, not the result of data and fact driven conclusions from a universal methodology.

However, if you replace "justification" with trust, then the problem disappears. You are just left with "trusted beliefs" resting on the trust one has in a concrete group of people (with names, known bios, etc). In the end only people exist. Institutions always end up vanishing into thin air (like the Soviet Union or the Baath Party) or being transformed into the opposite of what they were supposed to be (like the CDC). Abstractions are even more open to abuse than institutions.
OK, good luck with that.
 
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So basically, Marxism commits the logical errors in reasoning that, by default, invalidates their philosophy and alleged super moral position from the start.

But how does "everyone do it all the time?" Give me some every day examples, if it's that prevalent.
The global warming people do it all the time, and so do "progressives" of all stripes.

When somebody says, "I believe that A is true, because of evidences X, Y and Z," they're not implicitly saying that they have that approval from a body that has reached consensus on X, Y and Z.
If they say "I believe that the Higgs Boson exists because of physics papers X, Y and Z", yes, this is exactly what they are doing. Here "the body" is the particle physics community, an in particular CERN.

It is the same if you say: "I believe Stalin murdered all old communists in the 1920s because I have read papers by historians who have seen the old Soviet archives" Here, "the body" is the community of historians specialized in the USSR who have had access to the said archives (quite a small group)

In such situations (and they are many), you have only two choices.
  • Either you believe in JTBs and you have to posit (implicitly at least) the existence of a body that justifies the evidence because you cannot do it yourself.
  • Or you just accept an account that only relies on "trusted beliefs". I am perfectly ok with saying "I believe that the Higgs exist because I trust the guys at Cern" or "I trust that Stalin did such and such because I read it in a book by Steven Kotkin and I trust the guy"
The second option seems much more realistic to me than the first, given all that we have said about institutions and abstractions and what generally becomes of them after some time.
 
@SlayerSlayer or @TheProphetMuscle could you please pin this thread? It would be interesting to see what numbers the poll gets eventually
 
@wereq @IncelusRex @parzurnacs Explain your vote
Here you go:
There is a good argument. Sexual socialism gives rise to an explosion of subhumanity like we see in curryland. Procreation cannot be a birthright. When it is made a right, all subhumans procreate, resulting in massive ugliness, physical and mental weakness, and health issues which translate into being a baggage on society. Eugenics is the way forward. All subhuman men and women should be euthanized.
 
what is that?

I liked your thread about escort/paid sex being the only allowed sex and separating making children from having sex. because it is realistic actually (compared to many others)
 
I'll admit that you are more well-read than me in a similar lifespan, though it only put delusions in your head it seems.
Nigga you think Athena is real
 
@proudweeb Please do not pin this poll (which my side is winning) because it is a shit poll with no objective commonly agreed upon definition given

and made by a person biased against Marxism Rodgerism who created a second thread where he pestered SF cels to vote No
 
 
@NoCopeNoHope
Imagine the DMV equivalent of a woman. Obese (500+lbs), never showers/shaves, terrible attitude, always late, and aggressively black.

No. I'd rather fuck a goat. Call me volcel, but I know that this system will produce Chernobyl tier foids. Foids so worthless a warmed up watermelon will have more sex appeal. As an escortcel who has had both terrible experiences and non terrible experiences, I can tell you that your government provided prostitute/gf will drive you to rope/homicide faster than rotting alone.
 
Imagine the DMV equivalent of a woman. Obese (500+lbs), never showers/shaves, terrible attitude, always late, and aggressively black.

No. I'd rather fuck a goat. Call me volcel, but I know that this system will produce Chernobyl tier foids. Foids so worthless a warmed up watermelon will have more sex appeal. As an escortcel who has had both terrible experiences and non terrible experiences, I can tell you that your government provided prostitute/gf will drive you to rope/homicide faster than rotting alone.
The government will force her to be thin and shave. The government will raise her from birth to be feminine. And there's always other ways to discipline women. Such as perfectly pacifist monetary incentives (inb4 FBI fucko's me)
 
The results are telling. Despite all the efforts of @mlcurrycel, the yes vote is only barely in the lead. The fact the Marxism-Rodgerism divides the Incel community is indisputable
 
The government will force her to be thin and shave.
The government can make all the rules they want. They will degrade and be broken eventually as has happened with so many other laws and rules before. All it takes is a few men who believe the bullshit women will tell them and "poof", there goes your patriarchal system. Just like what is happening globally as women continue to gain unearned and unneeded rights. If the power brokers in your proposed system feel as though women having power will give them power, then both our asses are grass.


The only solution is to replace women entirely with machines and AI. Artificial wombs and sexbots/holographs/VR/AR AI powered waifus. This is the only solution that will solve the female question that we have been fighting for 3000+ years.
 
The results are telling. Despite all the efforts of @mlcurrycel, the yes vote is only barely in the lead. The fact the Marxism-Rodgerism divides the Incel community is indisputable
It swings like a pendelum between being barely in the lead to wildly in the lead. Probably has to do with timezones. I'm clearly winning.
 
The government can make all the rules they want. They will degrade and be broken eventually as has happened with so many other laws and rules before. All it takes is a few men who believe the bullshit women will tell them and "poof", there goes your patriarchal system. Just like what is happening globally as women continue to gain unearned and unneeded rights. If the power brokers in your proposed system feel as though women having power will give them power, then both our asses are grass.
Yup
The only solution is to replace women entirely with machines and AI. Artificial wombs and sexbots/holographs/VR/AR AI powered waifus. This is the only solution that will solve the female question that we have been fighting for 3000+ years.
I believe you may be right
 
The results are telling. Despite all the efforts of @mlcurrycel, the yes vote is only barely in the lead. The fact the Marxism-Rodgerism divides the Incel community is indisputable
BTW the post in my signature just got into Must Read because people in this thread kept asking for a definition of Marxism Rodgerism.
 
It swings like a pendelum between being barely in the lead to wildly in the lead. Probably has to do with timezones. I'm clearly winning.
If you call dividing the Incel community nearly 50/50 winning, then yes, you are
 
If you call dividing the Incel community nearly 50/50 winning, then yes, you are
Get mad son, you're the one that started a poll that showed me so many incels support me. I thought no one was taking me seriously until now. I've convinced multiple No voters to switch to Yes. I just keep winning.
 

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