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Jordan Peterson says “the deeper the abyss, the brighter the light”. For a while I believed in that. It sounded great, it gave me this sense of meaning in life. It made me feel like everything is possible. Because it says that you can essentially get out of any bad situation. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Sometimes things don’t get better. They often get worse. And deluding ourselves into thinking that we can get out of any predicament only adds fuel to the fire when our plans collapse in front of or eyes. Generally, people who are full of false hope sink into deep depression once shit hits the fan. But I’m not better off, I’m fucking miserable. I’m at a point in my life where nothing holds any meaning anymore. Having a high paying job, climbing the social hierarchy, or finding a life partner mean nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. But it wasn’t always that way. I can still remember the times where I coveted those things.


I remember when I was a kid I used to tell the adults around me that when I grow up I want to have beautiful wife and couple of kids by my side . I also remember saying that I wanted to be successful. So what has changed? Was all that rambling just the naivety of a child? No, it sadness me to say that this wasn’t just a naive child talking because I stayed that way well into my early 20s. Maybe I was naive back then too, I don’t know. I still kind of am as I’m driving myself to insanity with this redundant overthinking, but fuck it. I hope it pushes me over the cliff. Anyhow, back then I was living completely alone, spending most of my time in my room either studying or reading something. And eventually all that studying has paid off. But for what? Why find a high paying job? Why travel? What’s the point of all that stuff? It was about this time that I descended into nihilistic state of being and realised that life holds no inherent meaning. Nothing we do matters. All the things we do and hold dear are ultimately worthless. Once our brain dies, all those things we valued and loved will cease to hold any value. They might still exist but they won’t mean anything to us since we won’t be there to consciously experience them or to attach a meaning to them. So why bother? What’s the point of this life? I guess we’re here simply because we’re here. We’re just here, just like plants and mountains are. When one reaches this nihilistic state of mind, one has nothing to lose. Life ceases to have meaning which renders death equivalent to living. I didn’t want things to be that way.

After all, I’m still human. I still have an innate, indissoluble urge to socialise and be around others. Fighting against that urge means fighting against everything that’s human. Is going against our nature wrong? Objectively, no. Subjectively however, one can argue that we’re only harming ourselves by doing so. And it is true. But does it matter? What if I’m a masochist? Am I? I mean, what’s the worst case scenario — death? Who cares. Life isn’t that great to begin with. I honestly don’t know why some people cling to life that much. I think some people are just good at living an illusion. How can one be happy in such a place? Life has nothing to offer. What do people covet the most? Money? Sexual pleasure? Maybe I’m just a coping retard, but nothing seems appealing anymore. Am I losing my mind or has life lost its magic? I think my mental issues are acting up again, hence the schizo rambling. I think JP is way off with this quote; I think sometimes you’re fucked beyond repair and there’s no way out. I feel like a miner who’s got buried by rocks in some tunnel underground. The sun doesn’t even get through the cracks in the rocks. So he’s left there to rot in utter darkness until he kills himself, either by jabbing his pickaxe into his head or due to starvation. I’m just sick of life. Shit never gets better. If anything, it gets worse.
 
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Jordan Peterson says “the deeper the abyss, the brighter the light”

He is a christian, so the core of his beliefs are christian dogmas.

Sometimes things don’t get better

Obviously. Peterson, as any other theist or philosophical optimist, is probably completely wrong.

I’m at a point in my life where nothing holds any meaning anymore. Having a high paying job, climbing the social hierarchy, or finding a life partner mean nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. But it wasn’t always that way. I can still remember the times where I coveted those things.

Same. Ive come to a point in my life that i literally dont care about anything. Im lucky i got a job before i gave up, because, if not, i would probably be homeless right now.

Anyhow, back then I was living completely alone, spending most of my time in my room either studying or reading something. And eventually all that studying has paid off. But for what? Why find a high paying job? Why travel? What’s the point of all that stuff?

Same. Spent my best years studying, so i could have a job, a salary and a family. Now that i know i will never have a family, its pointless. Im wasting the money that should be spent in my wife and kids in fancy alcohol. Im pathetic.

And, about the nihilism... I think its just a matter of perspective. Every human has a different experience of this world, and the most fortunate of them can easily find meaning in their lifes. So religion and optimistic philosophies become logical conclusions to successful lifes. On the other hand, subhumans experience the lack of an human life. Its an experience, but a negative one: the lack of something. Something should be here and now, but its not, its required, but its not accessible. For example, humans are the most social beings in the universe. So, an accomplished human life enjoys one of the best pleasures of the universe: love, intimacy, validation, sex... A failed human, on the other hand, suffers one of the worst tortures of the universe: loneliness. There is no planet or star, no plant, no animal that is able to experience this suffering. The lack of the minimum basis in order to develop our human capacities. We are like those seeds that never reached fertile grounds, so we struggle through anti natural lifes in a permanent embryonary state waiting for the conditions that will never come, in order to even have a chance. Thinking that everyone will have a chance is absurd. Its obvious that some people will experience a completely and empty human experience: just the lack of it. Every second, staring at the void left and waiting.
From our perspective, this world is hell. From the most successfull peoples perspective, this is heaven, tutorial island. Who is right? In my opinion, it doesnt matter. And, to be completely honest, probably they are right, and we are wrong. Everything, as far as i know, about myself is failed and wrong. So, probably, all my opinions are wrong too. Just thoughts that keeps a tortured mind still sane enough. Probably nihilism is not true at all. Just an illusion we are condemned to live by, due to our disgraceful circumstances. An illusion that will never go away, because from our failed and wrong perspective, its absolutely true.

I need to drink. Sorry for the wall of text and for my bad english.
 
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you are jumping hoops to reach that nihilistic view.If life was only matter,then life would have "meaning"(as in it would have some good),but it would still be a nightmare.i think you are jumping hoops when it comes to having that materialism worldview.i think you should consider matters better because it isn't as simple as it seems(check the list below and if you really don't want to read one of them due to your bias,then at least read some plato).

I do remember as a kid thinking that i was definetely a loser but that i would still be able to get a gf right? yeah didn't that fail spectalularly kek.It's easy to hope as a kid.Even if you hate your body,you can always cope that it will grow and that then everything will be fine.But when you reach an age(usually 18) you just get older and older and things get a million times worse.There is no hope and you have already lived the years that should have been the best years of your life.Life as an incel is brutal.
 
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I guess we’re here simply because we’re here. We’re just here, just like plants and mountains are. When one reaches this nihilistic state of mind, one has nothing to lose. Life ceases to have meaning which renders death equivalent to living. I didn’t want things to be that way.
The difference between the mountains and plants and yourself is that you have a pair of eyes, and a "third eye" that is your brain. You can observe reality, and reason about it. That's the only really difference between pure nihilism and say some of the core tenants of various Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism. Life's purpose, once you remove all desires and material pursuits, is just simply to observe and wake up to the world. You exist, because you are a part of the whole, and the whole cannot exist without you at this moment in time and space, for it would be a different whole.
 
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Jordan Peterson says “the deeper the abyss, the brighter the light”. For a while I believed in that. It sounded great, it gave me this sense of meaning in life. It made me feel like everything is possible. Because it says that you can essentially get out of any bad situation. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Sometimes things don’t get better. They often get worse. And deluding ourselves into thinking that we can get out of any predicament only adds fuel to the fire when our plans collapse in front of or eyes. Generally, people who are full of false hope sink into deep depression once shit hits the fan. But I’m not better off, I’m fucking miserable. I’m at a point in my life where nothing holds any meaning anymore. Having a high paying job, climbing the social hierarchy, or finding a life partner mean nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. But it wasn’t always that way. I can still remember the times where I coveted those things.


I remember when I was a kid I used to tell the adults around me that when I grow up I want to have beautiful wife and couple of kids by my side . I also remember saying that I wanted to be successful. So what has changed? Was all that rambling just the naivety of a child? No, it sadness me to say that this wasn’t just a naive child talking because I stayed that way well into my early 20s. Maybe I was naive back then too, I don’t know. I still kind of am as I’m driving myself to insanity with this redundant overthinking, but fuck it. I hope it pushes me over the cliff. Anyhow, back then I was living completely alone, spending most of my time in my room either studying or reading something. And eventually all that studying has paid off. But for what? Why find a high paying job? Why travel? What’s the point of all that stuff? It was about this time that I descended into nihilistic state of being and realised that life holds no inherent meaning. Nothing we do matters. All the things we do and hold dear are ultimately worthless. Once our brain dies, all those things we valued and loved will cease to hold any value. They might still exist but they won’t mean anything to us since we won’t be there to consciously experience them or to attach a meaning to them. So why bother? What’s the point of this life? I guess we’re here simply because we’re here. We’re just here, just like plants and mountains are. When one reaches this nihilistic state of mind, one has nothing to lose. Life ceases to have meaning which renders death equivalent to living. I didn’t want things to be that way.

After all, I’m still human. I still have an innate, indissoluble urge to socialise and be around others. Fighting against that urge means fighting against everything that’s human. Is going against our nature wrong? Objectively, no. Subjectively however, one can argue that we’re only harming ourselves by doing so. And it is true. But does it matter? What if I’m a masochist? Am I? I mean, what’s the worst case scenario — death? Who cares. Life isn’t that great to begin with. I honestly don’t know why some people cling to life that much. I think some people are just good at living an illusion. How can one be happy in such a place? Life has nothing to offer. What do people covet the most? Money? Sexual pleasure? Maybe I’m just a coping retard, but nothing seems appealing anymore. Am I losing my mind or has life lost its magic? I think my mental issues are acting up again, hence the schizo rambling. I think JP is way off with this quote; I think sometimes you’re fucked beyond repair and there’s no way out. I feel like a miner who’s got buried by rocks in some tunnel underground. The sun doesn’t even get through the cracks in the rocks. So he’s left there to rot in utter darkness until he kills himself, either by jabbing his pickaxe into his head or due to starvation. I’m just sick of life. Shit never gets better. If anything, it gets worse.
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you are jumping hoops to reach that nihilistic view.If life was only matter,then life would have "meaning"(as in it would have some good),but it would still be a nightmare.i think you are jumping hoops when it comes to having that materialism worldview.i think you should consider matters better because it isn't as simple as it seems(check the list below and if you really don't want to read one of them due to your bias,then at least read some plato).

I do remember as a kid thinking that i was definetely a loser but that i would still be able to get a gf right? yeah didn't that fail spectalularly kek.It's easy to hope as a kid.Even if you hate your body,you can always cope that it will grow and that then everything will be fine.But when you reach an age(usually 18) you just get older and older and things get a million times worse.There is no hope and you have already lived the years that should have been the best years of your life.Life as an incel is brutal.
Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them out. And although I'm an atheist, I'm always open to new ideas. I do actually think that religion and science can be reconciled, with or without the supernatural stuff. My bias will never stop me from reading something. I despise the leftists for cancelling everything that goes against their agenda; I'll never just dismiss something on the grounds that it's not compatible with my beliefs.
The difference between the mountains and plants and yourself is that you have a pair of eyes, and a "third eye" that is your brain. You can observe reality, and reason about it. That's the only really difference between pure nihilism and say some of the core tenants of various Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism. Life's purpose, once you remove all desires and material pursuits, is just simply to observe and wake up to the world. You exist, because you are a part of the whole, and the whole cannot exist without you at this moment in time and space, for it would be a different whole.
I meant as we're here for the same reason they are. Like a mountain has no conscious experience of its existence. But if you look at the root cause, what is our purpose here? Isn't it the same purpose that a plant has? Which is nothing? Any purpose we might think of (that doesn't involve a deity) is subjective.
He is a christian, so the core of his beliefs are christian dogmas.



Obviously. Peterson, as any other theist or philosophical optimist, is probably completely wrong.



Same. Ive come to a point in my life that i literally dont care about anything. Im lucky i got a job before i gave up, because, if not, i would probably be homeless right now.



Same. Spent my best years studying, so i could have a job, a salary and a family. Now that i know i will never have a family, its pointless. Im wasting the money that should be spent in my wife and kids in fancy alcohol. Im pathetic.

And, about the nihilism... I think its just a matter of perspective. Every human has a different experience of this world, and the most fortunate of them can easily find meaning in their lifes. So religion and optimistic philosophies become logical conclusions to successful lifes. On the other hand, subhumans experience the lack of an human life. Its an experience, but a negative one: the lack of something. Something should be here and now, but its not, its required, but its not accessible. For example, humans are the most social beings in the universe. So, an accomplished human life enjoys one of the best pleasures of the universe: love, intimacy, validation, sex... A failed human, on the other hand, suffers one of the worst tortures of the universe: loneliness. There is no planet or star, no plant, no animal that is able to experience this suffering. The lack of the minimum basis in order to develop our human capacities. We are like those seeds that never reached fertile grounds, so we struggle through anti natural lifes in a permanent embryonary state waiting for the conditions that will never come, in order to even have a chance. Thinking that everyone will have a chance is absurd. Its obvious that some people will experience a completely and empty human experience: just the lack of it. Every second, staring at the void left and waiting.
From our perspective, this world is hell. From the most successfull peoples perspective, this is heaven, tutorial island. Who is right? In my opinion, it doesnt matter. And, to be completely honest, probably they are right, and we are wrong. Everything, as far as i know, about myself is failed and wrong. So, probably, all my opinions are wrong too. Just thoughts that keeps a tortured mind still sane enough. Probably nihilism is not true at all. Just an illusion we are condemned to live by, due to our disgraceful circumstances. An illusion that will never go away, because from our failed and wrong perspective, its absolutely true.

I need to drink. Sorry for the wall of text and for my bad english.
As Nietzsche once said “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

Alas, some of us will fall through the cracks.
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Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them out. And although I'm an atheist, I'm always open to new ideas. I do actually think that religion and science can be reconciled, with or without the supernatural stuff. My bias will never stop me from reading something. I despise the leftists for cancelling everything that goes against their agenda; I'll never just dismiss something on the grounds that it's not compatible with my beliefs.

I meant as we're here for the same reason they are. Like a mountain has no conscious experience of its existence. But if you look at the root cause, what is our purpose here? Isn't it the same purpose that a plant has? Which is nothing? Any purpose we might think of (that doesn't involve a deity) is subjective.

As Nietzsche once said “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

Alas, some of us will fall through the cracks.

kek
I once upheld materialism as a definite truth but then i started considering my ideas just by myself and then i started getting confused and i doubted them.Then some time later i started reading philosophy and things once again changed.I know how materialism seems obvious at first,but the more i considered and read the more i started to make the jump towards god and to that which is immaterial but very much real.
 
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I once upheld materialism as a definite truth but then i started considering my ideas just by myself and then i started getting confused and i doubted them.Then some time later i started reading philosophy and things once again changed.I know how materialism seems obvious at first,but the more i considered and read the more i started to make the jump towards god and to that which is immaterial but very much real.
I've fallen down the rabbit hole of nihilism lately, which, quite frankly, sucks the joy out of life. Humans need meaning in life. Without it, they'll resort to nihilism, and nihilism in turn leads to the collapse of civilization. I believe that life has no inherent meaning; meaning can be anything we assign to life. That can be our family, a deity, an imaginary friend, or whatever. It seems that one can only find meaning in either materialistic things or in religion. My problem with God (that includes all Gods) is the lack of evidence. Most evidence that Christians/Muslims provide is not sufficient to prove their claims. Or they make to many assumptions that contradict objective reality - or simply doesn't not imply their conclusions. Of course, we can have the discussion that reality cannot be objective since we're viewing it through our subjective lens, but that would arose more problems that will fly in the face of many religious doctrines. Moreover, how do we choose a religion. Isn't your religion heavily dependent on your upbringing and location? And even if free will exist, wouldn't choosing a religion solely mean that it is only true according our subjective view, and not because it's objectively the right one? Like, if we can denounce certain acts that are a common theme in many religious books (e.g. ethnic cleansing), wouldn't that imply that morality isn't coming from God? Don't get me wrong though. I still believe that the moral system of Christianity is superior to any other moral system we have so far. However, I do not outright accept it, there are certain questionable things about it. But that's a different discussion. Anyhow, I'll read the books you've recommended starting with the one about morality cuz that's my biggest problem with Christianity (and all other religions for that matter), and I'll make a thread about my take as soon as I have time. It'll probably be after the 10th since I'm currently working on a private AI project.
 
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I've fallen down the rabbit hole of nihilism lately, which, quite frankly, sucks the joy out of life. Humans need meaning in life. Without it, they'll resort to nihilism, and nihilism in turn leads to the collapse of civilization. I believe that life has no inherent meaning; meaning can be anything we assign to life. That can be our family, a deity, an imaginary friend, or whatever. It seems that one can only find meaning in either materialistic things or in religion. My problem with God (that includes all Gods) is the lack of evidence. Most evidence that Christians/Muslims provide is not sufficient to prove their claims. Or they make to many assumptions that contradict objective reality - or simply doesn't not imply their conclusions. Of course, we can have the discussion that reality cannot be objective since we're viewing it through our subjective lens, but that would arose more problems that will fly in the face of many religious doctrines. Moreover, how do we choose a religion. Isn't your religion heavily dependent on your upbringing and location? And even if free will exist, wouldn't choosing a religion solely mean that it is only true according our subjective view, and not because it's objectively the right one? Like, if we can denounce certain acts that are a common theme in many religious books (e.g. ethnic cleansing), wouldn't that imply that morality isn't coming from God? Don't get me wrong though. I still believe that the moral system of Christianity is superior to any other moral system we have so far. However, I do not outright accept it, there are certain questionable things about it. But that's a different discussion. Anyhow, I'll read the books you've recommended starting with the one about morality cuz that's my biggest problem with Christianity (and all other religions for that matter), and I'll make a thread about my take as soon as I have time. It'll probably be after the 10th since I'm currently working on a private AI project.
most of the books in that list deal mostly with philosophy and various of them deal with proofs of god(there are 41212894128489124981248 proofs of god but they deal with the most well known ones).Philosophy was made to anwser those questions,and it's there that you will find an awnser.I am here if you need anything and hopefully i will be able to awnser or at least point you in the right direction.
 
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This is so hard to read after reading his latest post :(
I thought I was the only one thinking like this. Barely knew the guy but this is just sad.
 
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I though I was the only one thinking like this. Barely knew the guy but this is just sad.
I knew and talked to him quite a bit during the time i’ve known him on this forum. I found his posts to be very comforting due to how relatable they were. R.I.P.
 
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I knew and talked to him quite a bit during the time i’ve known him on this forum. I found his posts to be very comforting due to how relatable they were. R.I.P.
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I knew and talked to him quite a bit during the time i’ve known him on this forum. I found his posts to be very comforting due to how relatable they were. R.I.P.
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Even JP admits that you can't be happy without being in a relationship. Deep dark hole just means going into some unknown and "tackling the beasts/demons" as in facing the challenges, not being in a literal dark hole in your mom's basement trying to stop the voices in your head.
 
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Jordan Peterson says “the deeper the abyss, the brighter the light”. For a while I believed in that. It sounded great, it gave me this sense of meaning in life. It made me feel like everything is possible. Because it says that you can essentially get out of any bad situation. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Sometimes things don’t get better. They often get worse. And deluding ourselves into thinking that we can get out of any predicament only adds fuel to the fire when our plans collapse in front of or eyes. Generally, people who are full of false hope sink into deep depression once shit hits the fan. But I’m not better off, I’m fucking miserable. I’m at a point in my life where nothing holds any meaning anymore. Having a high paying job, climbing the social hierarchy, or finding a life partner mean nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. But it wasn’t always that way. I can still remember the times where I coveted those things.


I remember when I was a kid I used to tell the adults around me that when I grow up I want to have beautiful wife and couple of kids by my side . I also remember saying that I wanted to be successful. So what has changed? Was all that rambling just the naivety of a child? No, it sadness me to say that this wasn’t just a naive child talking because I stayed that way well into my early 20s. Maybe I was naive back then too, I don’t know. I still kind of am as I’m driving myself to insanity with this redundant overthinking, but fuck it. I hope it pushes me over the cliff. Anyhow, back then I was living completely alone, spending most of my time in my room either studying or reading something. And eventually all that studying has paid off. But for what? Why find a high paying job? Why travel? What’s the point of all that stuff? It was about this time that I descended into nihilistic state of being and realised that life holds no inherent meaning. Nothing we do matters. All the things we do and hold dear are ultimately worthless. Once our brain dies, all those things we valued and loved will cease to hold any value. They might still exist but they won’t mean anything to us since we won’t be there to consciously experience them or to attach a meaning to them. So why bother? What’s the point of this life? I guess we’re here simply because we’re here. We’re just here, just like plants and mountains are. When one reaches this nihilistic state of mind, one has nothing to lose. Life ceases to have meaning which renders death equivalent to living. I didn’t want things to be that way.

After all, I’m still human. I still have an innate, indissoluble urge to socialise and be around others. Fighting against that urge means fighting against everything that’s human. Is going against our nature wrong? Objectively, no. Subjectively however, one can argue that we’re only harming ourselves by doing so. And it is true. But does it matter? What if I’m a masochist? Am I? I mean, what’s the worst case scenario — death? Who cares. Life isn’t that great to begin with. I honestly don’t know why some people cling to life that much. I think some people are just good at living an illusion. How can one be happy in such a place? Life has nothing to offer. What do people covet the most? Money? Sexual pleasure? Maybe I’m just a coping retard, but nothing seems appealing anymore. Am I losing my mind or has life lost its magic? I think my mental issues are acting up again, hence the schizo rambling. I think JP is way off with this quote; I think sometimes you’re fucked beyond repair and there’s no way out. I feel like a miner who’s got buried by rocks in some tunnel underground. The sun doesn’t even get through the cracks in the rocks. So he’s left there to rot in utter darkness until he kills himself, either by jabbing his pickaxe into his head or due to starvation. I’m just sick of life. Shit never gets better. If anything, it gets worse.
My life has always been a dark hole.
 
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