Venting I hate when normies say “respect your mom and dad bro”

[SupremeSaint]

Normies say this because they actually have nice and can’t think about anything from a different perspective. But when your parents gave you shit genes or can’t make a smart financial decision anyone with half a brain wouldn’t respect them.

And what’s the kicker is when normies say “ Muh your mother birthed you” which is retarded since I didn’t want or asked to be born.

 

[Friezacel]

"They are still your parents" is also a classic gaslight

 

[Riinku]

They've committed the crime of bringing you into this mortal coil without knowing or caring about the consequences of doing so

 

[FrothySolutions]

"Shit genes" is being born retarded, or nonviable. But if you're genuinely like "Fuck you Mom and Dad, didn't you know that I wasn't gonna have the right cranial structure" then maybe you are retarded.

 

[I want to believe]

They've committed the crime of bringing you into this mortal coil without knowing or caring about the consequences of doing so

 

[I want to believe]

But if you're genuinely like "Fuck you Mom and Dad, didn't you know that I wasn't gonna have the right cranial structure" then maybe you are retarded.

Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[SupremeSaint]

Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Ignorance is no excuse.

Millimeters of chin bone is no excuse.

 

[SupremeSaint]

Millimeters of chin bone is no excuse.

Unfortunately I’m 5’8 so cope

 

[FrothySolutions]

Unfortunately I’m 5’8 so cope

I'm shorter. And likely older. And yet I'm not actively trying to hold my parents to account for the crime of having a baby. That's bitch talk.

 

[SupremeSaint]

I'm shorter. And likely older. And yet I'm not actively trying to hold my parents to account for the crime of having a baby. That's bitch talk.

if you actually read I also said I was a poorcel

 

[Chudpreet]

They don't know what it's like to grow up with curry parents
@Grim_Reaper @wereq

 

[SupremeSaint]

They don't know what it's like to grow up with curry parents
@Grim_Reaper @wereq

What was it like

 

[zunzun8888]

"They are still your parents" is also a classic gaslight

 

[Chudpreet]

What was it like

The curry parents pill is the most brutal of all currypills

Curry parents do not give a FUCK about their kids. To curry parents, children are first and foremost an asset, and secondly a punching bag. Curry cunt parents don’t want you to study your arms, legs, and ballsack off because they’re “looking out for you.” The reason they want you to be...

incels.is

 

[Diddy]

They don't know what it's like to grow up with curry parents
@Grim_Reaper @wereq

What was it like

Our parents only gave birth to us so that they can turn us into money-making STEMslaves that will end up becoming their retirement plan.

 

[SupremeSaint]

Our parents only gave birth to us so that they can turn us into money-making STEMslaves that will end up becoming their retirement plan.

I’ve heard most curry parents live with their children when they get to retirement age

 

[faded]

"They are still your parents" is also a classic gaslight

 

[wereq]

And what’s the kicker is when normies say “ Muh your mother birthed you” which is retarded since I didn’t want or asked to be born.

They don't know what it's like to grow up with curry parents
@Grim_Reaper @wereq

In order to respect my parents, I have to value the life they've given me and I don't because the life they gave me is shit. Their genes are shit.

 

[FrothySolutions]

if you actually read I also said I was a poorcel

I was poor too. And remain poor. Bitch talk, on your part.

 

[SupremeSaint]

I was poor too. And remain poor. Bitch talk, on your part.

Then why the fuck do you care so much are you just always this retarded

 

[FrothySolutions]

Then why the fuck do you care so much are you just always this retarded

Care about what? I don't spend my days cursing my parents for birthing me because that's not rational. That's all. Normal people aren't fucked up in the head like that.

 

[SupremeSaint]

Care about what? I don't spend my days cursing my parents for birthing me because that's not rational. That's all. Normal people aren't fucked up in the head like that.

When did I say I curse at my parents, B it’s not rational to have children in poor financial situations.

 

[FrothySolutions]

When did I say I curse at my parents, B it’s not rational to have children in poor financial situations.

You're complaining about being born. That's not a rational response to life.

 

[BELOW_Average_Joe]

"Shit genes" is being born retarded, or nonviable. But if you're genuinely like "Fuck you Mom and Dad, didn't you know that I wasn't gonna have the right cranial structure" then maybe you are retarded.

My parents were selfish racemixers, I hope the deepest pits of hell become their home after they bite the dust if the afterlife is real

 

[BELOW_Average_Joe]

You're complaining about being born. That's not a rational response to life.

how is it not? Life is objective suffering for 99% of humans ever born

 

[SupremeSaint]

You're complaining about being born. That's not a rational response to life.

Refute my 2 points I made

 

[FrothySolutions]

Refute my 2 points I made

1. If your response is "I don't respect my parents because they committed the crime of birthing me," that's not a rational response to life.

2. What is the proper financial situation for having a child? If they can afford to raise you, you have no room to complain.

 

[SupremeSaint]

1. If your response is "I don't respect my parents because they committed the crime of birthing me," that's not a rational response to life.

2. What is the proper financial situation for having a child? If they can afford to raise you, you have no room to complain.

1. If you read My post you could figure out I had a poor financial which affected my quality of life significantly
2.My point was about ignorant normies

 

[SupremeSaint]

This is also a good claim.

thanks brocel

 

[FrothySolutions]

1. If you read My post you could figure out I had a poor financial which affected my quality of life significantly
2.My point was about ignorant normies

1. Again, what is that standard? How poor do you have to be before it should be considered a "crime" to have kids?

2. The normies aren't really ignorant if what they're saying is "Blaming your parents simply for having you is an irrational position to take, unless you were born with a severe handicap. Unless you were genuinely better off never born."

Nobody cares what you view as a rational response to life. When you finally learn to deal with it and stop posting your opinions as a general truth?

It's not what I say. It's what anyone not living in an echo chamber for nonfunctioning autists says.

What is this shit? Happiness is a clear indicator of whether a person does enjoy his life and wants to live it or not, not your stupid claim about your parents being able to afford to raise you.

Be unhappy if you want. That's not your parents' fault. To say so presumes that parents are supposed to know how your life will turn out, as well as what you'll want out of life. Which is retarded. Or that no one should be ever born and that life itself is objectively suffering, which is also retarded. But this is beyond people living in an echo chamber.

Nobody gives consent to being born. My parents should've considered the possibility of me suffering before giving birth to me instead of just gambling on it. Most parents never factor in their bad experiences and just decide to have children, thinking that they'll live a positive life (Pollyanna principle). Even after they have given birth to you, if you decide to get off this ride, they'll tell you how they've spent so much money on you and so much time (sunk cost fallacy) and that you should live to support them (basically be a glorified human piggy bank).

"My parents should've considered the possibility of me suffering." What does that even mean? What factors were they supposed to look at, and what should they have looked like to justify your existence in the world?

I will not settle for anything less than what other people have. I will not accept ROTTING alive, being a living CORPSE, as substitute to a genuine, fulfilling life. I will exercise my right to dying just as my parents exercised their right to give birth to me, but in my case, I am doing it with my own consent. Where my parents gave birth to me without my consent, I will consent to taking my own life.

Life for me is just eight decades of protracted suffering.

What other people? There are billionaires in this world. Are you gonna kill yourself over not being a billionaire? Where does your arbitrary standard for a fair life begin and end?

 

[Vlarke]

Normies say this because they actually have nice and can’t think about anything from a different perspective. But when your parents gave you shit genes or can’t make a smart financial decision anyone with half a brain wouldn’t respect them.

And what’s the kicker is when normies say “ Muh your mother birthed you” which is retarded since I didn’t want or asked to be born.

Breeders are stupid

 

[FrothySolutions]

If you read the full sentence, you would know what I'm talking about. They should have considered the POSSIBILITY of me suffering and not have GAMBLED on it. They shouldn't have made my life a coin toss where one side meant happiness and the other suffering—that is what being born is, a 50-50 chance of finding joy. What I'm trying to say is, if they weren't sure my life was not going to be good—which, you made made a good point, can't be predicted—they shouldn't have given birth to me. I guess I can't blame them for their ignorance, though.

That is an irrational view to hold. This is essentially "No one should ever be born."

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

You shouldn't respect your parents any more than you would respect any other person of the same kind.

Your parents aren't necessarily more intelligent than others.
Your parents aren't necessarily better-looking than others.
Your parents don't necessarily have a better personality than others.

So there is no real reason to respect them more.

 

[Fifita]

Loath both of my parents

 

[FuckHOA]

Normies say this because they actually have nice and can’t think about anything from a different perspective. But when your parents gave you shit genes or can’t make a smart financial decision anyone with half a brain wouldn’t respect them.

And what’s the kicker is when normies say “ Muh your mother birthed you” which is retarded since I didn’t want or asked to be born.

Normies who say this shit and call men who dont respect their abusive parents "beta males"

 

[FrothySolutions]

It's not irrational, it's called anti-natalism.

Yes, that's irrational. Because where does it end?

Should no humans be born today? Okay, when should humans have been born? Antinatalists have no argument for that. So should no humans have ever been born? How do you define "human?" Does that mean our prehistoric ape ancestors never should've birthed offspring, so that humans could never evolve? Should no organisms live at all? Life itself is some cosmic fuck-up? Should the universe itself have not come into being?

Who anyone? Again and again, backing up your claims by hiding behind some invisible majority? For the last time. Say what you want, but learn to present it as your opinion and not as a general truth, because it isn´t. You probably have problems with it, but let me teach you something: if you present something as your opinion, it does not make it a general truth because you are the only one I see here claiming such bullshit, if you did not notice.

This was very derogatory toward the autists on this site. Most of the people on this forum have, to some degree, autism, but that does not make them stupid or have valid opinions. Just because you are NT does not mean that you have a patent on the truth compared to us.

Be unhappy if I want? You know, fucking damn well, why am I unhappy, since I am here. I was born ugly as shit, which ruined my life, and this, my friend, IS my parents fault. Whose genes are they? How have they compensated for it? They are poor and have low social status, which has also worsened my condition. To say that my parents would not know how my life would have turned out is also stupid. It does not take a genius to make 1+1. If you are poor, ugly, and without any social status, then your son will probably not succeed in life unless he wins a fucking lottery.

Who said that no one should have ever been born or that life is objectively suffering?

Is it beyond people living in echo chambers? Again, looking down on others here and feeling superior?

So, what, only wealthy models who are famous should have children? That's not rational. Yes, you're wrong for thinking that's rational. What you call an "invisible majority" is actually the product of your retarded ideas being held up to scrutiny. Your only defense for them is "Well I'M not happy. I wish I was pretty and had social status. Ugly people without social status shouldn't live."

If you personally must have looks and status, by all means hate your life. But that is your personal standard. You got the rest of the world fucked up if you think that's a standard anyone else would respect.

 

[SupremeSaint]

Yes, that's irrational. Because where does it end?

Should no humans be born today? Okay, when should humans have been born? Antinatalists have no argument for that. So should no humans have ever been born? How do you define "human?" Does that mean our prehistoric ape ancestors never should've birthed offspring, so that humans could never evolve? Should no organisms live at all? Life itself is some cosmic fuck-up? Should the universe itself have not come into being?



So, what, only wealthy models who are famous should have children? That's not rational. Yes, you're wrong for thinking that's rational. What you call an "invisible majority" is actually the product of your retarded ideas being held up to scrutiny. Your only defense for them is "Well I'M not happy. I wish I was pretty and had social status. Ugly people without social status shouldn't live."

If you personally must have looks and status, by all means hate your life. But that is your personal standard. You got the rest of the world fucked up if you think that's a standard anyone else would respect.

Irrational based on whom you ? You’re just strawmanning him, nobody said “only the rich should have children” Our original point was it’s not logical to have children when being poor. You’re inflicting them a life of poverty

 

[FrothySolutions]

Again, doing a strawman on me? Didn´t you learn your lesson the first time?

Who said that no one should have ever been born or that life is objectively suffering? You nicely avoided this question, didn´t you? Again, caught you doing a strawman?

This again. Okay...

I was born ugly as shit, which ruined my life, and this, my friend, IS my parents fault. Whose genes are they? How have they compensated for it? They are poor and have low social status, which has also worsened my condition. To say that my parents would not know how my life would have turned out is also stupid. It does not take a genius to make 1+1. If you are poor, ugly, and without any social status, then your son will probably not succeed in life unless he wins a fucking lottery.

Those are your fucking words. That's what I responded to you about.

But what I neglected to pick up on is that you can't read. If you could, you'd know that the "life is objectively suffering" conversation was one I'm having with @lonelysince2006. Quote block wouldn't be beyond you, if you could read.

So basically, you did not answer who the invisible majority is that you are trying to put behind yourself to be seen as more credible. Pathetic.

So you said it, and so it must be the truth, right? Tell me, who anyone else?

You want me to name everyone in rational society? There are literally dozens of us. But the larger issue that makes your views irrational is that you can't make an objective case for them. You haven't argued one. All you've argued is "I personally don't like my life." You've got jack fucking shit to hold against anyone until you can make a case for an objective standard all people must follow. Otherwise you can't turn to your parents and say "You are at fault for something." You have not presented "No man or woman shall have children unless X."

Irrational based on whom you ? You’re just strawmanning him, nobody said “only the rich should have children” Our original point was it’s not logical to have children when being poor. You’re inflicting them a life of poverty

Same to you. I asked you what the financial standard was and you've offered nothing. You looking at the cool kids and wishing you were them is no basis for an argument against your birth.

That would've been ideal.

So the antinatalists are arguing against ape life? How come the fish get to live? How come the frogs get to live?

 

[FrothySolutions]

You can't force other lifeforms to not reproduce or drive them to extinction. That's not ethical.

Just read this:

Antinatalism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Of course, I would never subscribe to this thinking because that requires me forcing my will on other creatures, which I would never do (same thing as going ER, which is essentially you forcing your will [wanting to bring death] on other people, which is also why I would never go ER, even if I could or murder was legal or something).

So some people are against all life, but not you. Sounds like the antinatalists can't agree on what life is okay and what isn't. So it's not really an argument you can stand by. You can't say "The antinatalists feel this way" because the antinatalists are not all in agreement.

 

[SupremeSaint]

This again. Okay...



Those are your fucking words. That's what I responded to you about.

But what I neglected to pick up on is that you can't read. If you could, you'd know that the "life is objectively suffering" conversation was one I'm having with @lonelysince2006. Quote block wouldn't be beyond you, if you could read.



You want me to name everyone in rational society? There are literally dozens of us. But the larger issue that makes your views irrational is that you can't make an objective case for them. You haven't argued one. All you've argued is "I personally don't like my life." You've got jack fucking shit to hold against anyone until you can make a case for an objective standard all people must follow. Otherwise you can't turn to your parents and say "You are at fault for something." You have not presented "No man or woman shall have children unless X."



Same to you. I asked you what the financial standard was and you've offered nothing. You looking at the cool kids and wishing you were them is no basis for an argument against your birth.



So the antinatalists are arguing against ape life? How come the fish get to live? How come the frogs get to live?

Irrational based on whom you cant seem to cite your majority” and the standard should be if your poor to a severe degree you shouldn’t have children because you’re subjecting them to poverty how hard is this to fucking grasp

 

[FrothySolutions]

Irrational based on whom you cant seem to cite your majority” and the standard should be if your poor to a severe degree you shouldn’t have children because you’re subjecting them to poverty how hard is this to fucking grasp

As I said earlier, if you want me to name everyone in rational society, I don't know everyone's name in rational society. What would naming them do for you, anyway?

And what is "a severe degree?" You haven't given me anything concrete to grasp. I want you to tell me exactly how poor you have to be before you shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

 

[SupremeSaint]

As I said earlier, if you want me to name everyone in rational society, I don't know everyone's name in rational society. What would naming them do for you, anyway?

And what is "a severe degree?" You haven't given me anything concrete to grasp. I want you to tell me exactly how poor you have to be before you shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

Near the poverty line (5k above) Uses welfare

 

[FrothySolutions]

I never said I speak for ALL antinatalists, but in order to be antinatalist, you either have to oppose (A) humans reproducing or (B) all sentient life (humans AND animals) reproducing (this is all consistent with the Wikipedia article).

What did I say?


Which is consistent with the above statement, so my point still stands.

The question is, is it a rational belief? Your argument against it was "It's not irrational because it's antinatalism." But it's not necessarily antinatalism because by your own admission you don't really agree with them like that.

Near the poverty line (5k above) Uses welfare

The poverty line varies per household size. It's about whether or not you can live within your means. If you can't live within your means, then it's irresponsible to have kids. It's only irresponsible to have kids if you can't afford to take care of them.

Were your parents able to live within their means? Could they afford to raise you? I notice you never really did say you were poor in your opening post, so now I gotta wonder how "poor" you actually were.

 

[SupremeSaint]

The question is, is it a rational belief? Your argument against it was "It's not irrational because it's antinatalism." But it's not necessarily antinatalism because by your own admission you don't really agree with them like that.



The poverty line varies per household size. It's about whether or not you can live within your means. If you can't live within your means, then it's irresponsible to have kids. It's only irresponsible to have kids if you can't afford to take care of them.

Were your parents able to live within their means? Could they afford to raise you? I notice you never really did say you were poor in your opening post, so now I gotta wonder how "poor" you actually were.

In some aspects yes and no, Also I also didn’t like they didn’t take into my quality of life

 

[leafblown]

"Shit genes" is being born retarded, or nonviable. But if you're genuinely like "Fuck you Mom and Dad, didn't you know that I wasn't gonna have the right cranial structure" then maybe you are retarded.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Where did I say it? You are really a bad showcase of the strawman tactic. There are different degrees of being wealthy. The same degrees apply to being ugly. Incel is more ugly than normie, and normie is not so pretty like Chad. You spoke only in superlatives. Wealthy models and famous. Is there nothing between this and being ugly and poor?

And I suppose there are tiers to "social status?" If you're talking social status, you're asking for your parents to be famous. That's where you said it.

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This is literally your answer to MY quote. On whose quote did you write this answer?

That was me pointing out that, whichever of the two positions you were taking, neither of them are reasonable. Turns out yours was the "Parents with low social status and looks and wealth shouldn't have children." Which is retarded.

This is hilarious. Then you will have no problem showing me the dozens of you. Just name a few on this forum, for example, because what I see is that the only one who is advocating this here is you. Who is a rational society? Who decides that, you?

I specifically said this forum is not where you should find rational opinions. It never has been, remember how I described it as "an echo chamber for nonfunctioning autists?"

But you newcomers have fucked things up especially. Things were not as stupid before you showed up.

"You've got jack fucking shit to hold against anyone until you can make a case for an objective standard all people must follow. Otherwise you can't turn to your parents and say "You are at fault for something."

Again, who decides this? You? I cannot hold an opinion unless all people have to follow this standard? What is this kind of hilarious argument? Hey guys! Normies, IT, women, and chads do not follow our black-pilled opinions. Since not all people are following our opinions, we have got jack fucking shit to hold against anyone, so I think we should pack our things and rot because our opinions are not valid. Case solved.

You can have all the opinions you want, but when you start blaming your parents, it stops being your opinion and you start holding them to that standard. To blame your parents is to say "This thing I believe is objectively true, my parents committed an objective wrong."

In some aspects yes and no, Also I also didn’t like they didn’t take into my quality of life

See, now we're getting to the truth of the matter. When you start saying things like "Well, in some aspects, but I didn't like the quality." That's when you start bitching about privileges you didn't actually need.

What do you consider a rational belief? I don't understand what you're trying to get at. Antinatalism is a whole school of philosophy with entire works of literature dedicated to it and famous philosophers who were its proponents (Arthur Schopenhauer, Phillip Mainlander, David Hume, etc.). Ultimately, what constitutes "rational" or "irrational" beliefs is subjective.

Rational beliefs - Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy

www.rep.routledge.com

So a belief only requires "good reasons for acceptance" supporting it for it be considered "rational." Acceptance itself is subjective.

When I say "rational" I mean "It holds up against scrutiny." But when you say "Acceptance is subjective," you disregard that as the metric for whether or not a thing is rational. But if that's not what makes a rational belief, what is?

I'm a bit lost. What do you mean? I just said how it's antinatalism whether if you're only opposed to human reproduction or all reproduction by sentient beings. I am an antinatalist and I stand by its core points. What is not necessarily antinatalism? Could you clarify?

Antinatalism, as you cited it, is against all life. And you said "I wouldn't go that far." That means you aren't going as far as "true antinatalism." You're picking and choosing which tenets you wanna believe in.

 

[SupremeSaint]

And I suppose there are tiers to "social status?" If you're talking social status, you're asking for your parents to be famous. That's where you said it.



That was me pointing out that, whichever of the two positions you were taking, neither of them are reasonable. Turns out yours was the "Parents with low social status and looks and wealth shouldn't have children." Which is retarded.



I specifically said this forum is not where you should find rational opinions. It never has been, remember how I described it as "an echo chamber for nonfunctioning autists?"

But you newcomers have fucked things up especially. Things were not as stupid before you showed up.



You can have all the opinions you want, but when you start blaming your parents, it stops being your opinion and you start holding them to that standard. To blame your parents is to say "This thing I believe is objectively true, my parents committed an objective wrong."



See, now we're getting to the truth of the matter. When you start saying things like "Well, in some aspects, but I didn't like the quality." That's when you start bitching about privileges you didn't actually need.



When I say "rational" I mean "It holds up against scrutiny." But when you say "Acceptance is subjective," you disregard that as the metric for whether or not a thing is rational. But if that's not what makes a rational belief, what is?



Antinatalism, as you cited it, is against all life. And you said "I wouldn't go that far." That means you aren't going as far as "true antinatalism." You're picking and choosing which tenets you wanna believe in.

Why does it matter what I and others complain about does it personally affect you, you fucking retarded boomer (edit): Also who are you to decide what dictates as “bitching” who are you when it comes to being “rational” What are YOUR basis for these claims

 

[FrothySolutions]

Why does it matter what I and others complain about does it personally affect you, you fucking retarded boomer

Am I not allowed to critique you, or do you just want an echo chamber where you can rant and feel better?

 

[SupremeSaint]

Am I not allowed to critique you, or do you just want an echo chamber where you can rant and feel better?

Where are your basis for these claims of “being rational” actually cite sources