I’m too autistic to even understand the old language. Also I’m not interested in the cult. Do with it another cel. When I find this “god” I’m telling it does it even care? Does it know what this “game” has done to countless of millions who feel the same way like I do? Born out of nothing yet it “knew” I sinned? I don’t even remember anything before birth or even when I was kid. after all the hell I’ve been through and it’s choked up as a test? No no one should be told that. For your precious time I urge you to stay out of it. For your sake and my sake just do that please.
He cared enough to send His innocent Son to die for you even though you're an evil sinner (just like me and everyone else). You just have to accept the gospel of Jesus and get instantly saved without any works involved. Salvation is a free gift.
Everyone suffers (because of sin, whch was chosen by us men in the first place, and keeps getting chosen everyday by everyone), but Jesus was the one who suffered the most. He wasn't just getting tortured on the cross; He was also taking all our due punishment onto Himself.
You sin every single day. I can guarantee you. Do you lust after people who are not your wife? If yes, you sinned. You covet things that are not yours? If yes, you sinned. Are you lazy? If yes, you sinned. Do you feel hatred and ill-will towards others? If yes, you sinned. Do you have the means to help others but refuse to, even when you come across them or they ask you? If yes, you sinned. The list goes on and on.
It surely tops being told that everything came from nothing and we're just a bunch of random animals fighting a biological fight in a world where morals don't even exist and after you die it's over gg; all the evil people did to you won't get punished and "you deserve it for being weak".
Because that’s what it is. You surely don’t see it. The cult has done so much to you it’s quite sad. You’re stuck in that birdcage and you can’t really see the universe for what it even is. You can’t even fathom that reality is often disappointing. I don’t deserve it because i never really did in the first place. You Christiancels are just as embarrassing as the guy you worship over. Get over it. You were made for nothing.
JFL, how TF do you go from being gnostic back to being a Christian? Gnostics were hunted killed and wiped out for a reason. All their knowledge wiped out from the library of alexandria. Christians however are still around with their rewritten brainwashed propaganda bible.
Got saved, got the Holy Ghost, God showed me the way. I was born into a new age family, was looking for the truth for decades, dabbled with many false religions, and God finally showed me the truth. He answers my prayers in ways that can't be coincidences. Also, I studied bible prophecy to an extent.
True, but it was by the Roman "catholic" "church", not by Christians.
Isn't it an evidence to you? True Christians also suffered tremendrous persecution and still suffer to this yet, but God didn't let it be extinguished. Same with the Jews, God's physical people. They returned to Israel after millenia (something that never happened to any people in history) just like the bible predicted they would.
There's way way way way more evidence of His existence than any of the gnostic doctrines, entities, etc etc. I absolutely assure you, study seriously about that.
Zeitgeists me. I'm familiar with all that too.
I politely decline kek.
No one can talk to the dead rn. All the supposed dead people contacted by channelers, etc, are demons.
I'm not tbh, but I don't think I'll ever be. Unfortunately, I degenerated myself too much before converting. Now it's really tough to get rid of some consolidated behaviors and addictions.
Could be even this year.
He would have done it back then had the Jews accepted Him as their Messiah. But they didn't.
"Evil exists" an athiest cannot define evil. What is evil to an athiest? An athiest believes in either self-righteousness or no morality at all.Everything that needs to be said as a response to this nonsense thread can be summed up in three images
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Please see the irony in using circular logic after I stated that the religious use circular logic (well it seems like that's what you're doing, because you aren't providing your reasoning, you are just stating it as fact)
I assume, the same things that are considered "evil" by Christians?
An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in the existence of God, nothing more, nothing less, don't try to create a strawman by adding on your personal definition bits to it lol
I can tell you are just being willfully ignorant
If you look at the bible honestly there's no such thing as morality, morality is merely whatever God chooses to give himself a pass to do
Do you consider yourself a moral person while browsing a forum where the death and harm of everyday men and women is celebrated?
1. The argument isn't that he should defeat all evil since he's all knowing, stop pretending to be a simpleton (or maybe you are that stupid)
I do not consider myself a moral person brethren, I have repented. Every man sins including you. I came back to this forum with a fresh slate, a new man. To spread the word of Christ as I have since changed my ways.Please see the irony in using circular logic after I stated that the religious use circular logic (well it seems like that's what you're doing, because you aren't providing your reasoning, you are just stating it as fact)
By what logic are you determining that an atheist cannot define evil?
Because it seems like your logic is "An atheist cannot define evil because I say they can't based on my personal rationalization"
I'm sorry, logic doesn't work like that
I assume, the same things that are considered "evil" by Christians?
Are you saying torturing someone for eternity isn't "evil"
Are you saying "evil" is only "evil" if a human does it, but when it comes to God he can commit acts that are considered "evil" but they "don't count" because he's God?
An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in the existence of God, nothing more, nothing less, don't try to create a strawman by adding on your personal definition bits to it lol
I can tell you are just being willfully ignorant
Please refer to the part of the Epicurean Paradox that asks - "Could God have created a universe with free-will but without evil?"
If your answer is no, then God is NOT ALL POWERFUL
If your answer is yes then it begs the question "then why didn't he"
If your next answer is "to test us" then God is NOT ALL KNOWING (because if you know literally everything, then you know the results of all tests to begin with)
If you look at the bible honestly there's no such thing as morality, morality is merely whatever God chooses to give himself a pass to do
In the bible God has literally killed more humans than the devil
The common response of Christians is - "Well he's God so he can rape, torture and murder as many humans as he wants and we still have to call him "good" because he decides what "good" is"
You have to be a dishonest piece of shit, skilled in self deception, to actually follow that logic, and argue that God can murder as much as he wants, do whatever the hell he wants, even things he forbids us to do, and still be "moral" or "good"
Do you consider yourself a moral person while browsing a forum where the death and harm of everyday men and women is celebrated?
Do you consider yourself a moral person with these kinds of posts:
https://incels.is/threads/is-having-fantasies-of-raping-a-foid-wanting-to-rape-a-foid-high-t.126189/
You sound like a future rapist, very moral indeed, you definitely aren't "preaching" right now under the "guise of self-righteousness"
1. The argument isn't that he should defeat all evil since he's all knowing, stop pretending to be a simpleton (or maybe you are that stupid)
The argument is composed of the 3 main characteristics many Christians tout about God (Loving, All Knowing, All Powerful)
So by those characteristics:
If God knows about all evil, and he has the power to defeat all evil, and he is a loving God, then by simple logic he would destroy all evil
Him just knowing about it, isn't the point, whats being brought into question, is the contradiction (the paradox) that appears when you put all of these three traits together
If you say that God is ALL POWERFUL and ALL KNOWING, but isn't LOVING (so he doesn't really give a fuck) - THAT MAKES SENSE
If you say that God is ALL POWERFUL and LOVING, but isn't ALL KNOWING (so some evil escapes him) - THAT MAKES SENSE
If you say that God is ALL KNOWING and LOVING, but isn't ALL POWERFUL (so he can't stop all evil) - THAT MAKES SENSE
BUT, then that begs the question, why even worship such a being as "God"?
If you instead say that God is ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL and LOVING - THERE IS A CONTRADICTION
2. Sin only "causes destruction" because those were the rules that God set into place, do you guys not find it weird when you speak of the nature of the universe INDEPENDENT OF GOD, as if he has no control or power over it, as if its "outside of his control" and he's "not to blame". You just sound dishonest, you can't have it both ways.
"If sin didn't exist you wouldn't have free will" - NO, that's because God decided to create the universe like that, an all powerful God can create a universe with both free will and no sin
God created the very concept of sin to begin with
Here's an example, why as a God would you make the sole means of reproduction for a species be considered "sinful", and the yearning to carry the act out (THE YEARNING YOU CREATED - "LUST") also be considered "sinful"
There was no reason to do that, God could have created a universe where "fornication" isn't a sin
"For a human to say what is "legal", who defines what is "legal" to a human?"
When you answer this obvious and ridiculous question, you'll have the obvious answer to your question
I really have to think of you as just a dishonest person, because I can't imagine someone being this simple minded, you must just be pretending to not understand what is obvious
That's the part these guys don't want to admit to
I'm actually agnostic, I believe God may exist, but if he does were all fucked because he's definitely a mad tyrant, only a crazy guy would ask someone to sacrifice their son to them on an alter to "prove their faith", and to make it next level crazy GOD IS ALL KNOWING, so he already knew that the guy would have went through with the sacrifice so THERE WAS NO REAL "TEST"
These dishonest fools don't want to admit to all the gaping holes that open up in their religion when you actually accept the traits bestowed upon God (ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, LOVING)
JFL, oh yeah, talk about coping
1. I don't believe that morality exists, but you see there's this thing called "ARGUING WITHIN CONTEXT"
"I was just kidding
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1.People dont read they're bibles,they dont follow the teachings,they just listen to what were told by people that are deceiving them.In revelations jesus was taking about 7 churches and most of the them were flawed.
No kidding. I dunno why the great Atheism vs Religion debate had to return but it's getting old fast
Atheism versus religion debates are some of the oldest and greatest debate copes. And it's already much more civil than other debates here have been. Imparts a certain reminder of the early 2010s @Darkenzo
Are you shitting me??? *This* is civil? Hot damn.
You have no idea about the things I have seen and done on youtube when I was in my athiesm phase. This is way more civil.
I'm going to take your word for it, because this is already reaching my toxicity limits. I don't miss the days of r/Atheism, and I am perfectly fine from them not making a comeback
Thanks for giving your explanation since the other guy didnt. Your response to number 7 doesnt make much sense to me however. You said adam and eves children became fallen? How? Did Eve have sex with the serpent like I thought?
