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This is wet water post for anyone who is blackpilled but I still see some bluepillers here who talk about approaching. I collected some information that's already posted here many times.

So why doesn't approaching work? Can self improvement save you?

The thing bluepillers, certain hate group on CuckIT and PUAcels get wrong is who is actually the one choosing. Even if you approach a w*man it's the w*man who picks (or doesn't pick) you. W*men pick men, not the other way around. They hold all the power in the markets. Men are more generous with their distribution of romantic and sexual interest than women. Far more generous. Women have far more options and they are far pickier than men. There are far more women who men would reject than are men who women would accept.






Women find tall men attractive. This is an undeniable fact. I doubt anyone denies this. Short men have abysmal chances to find romantic opportunities.




So if you don't make it in height and facial attractiveness then you should try to have more of that infamous "pewsonalitee :soy: :soy: :bluepill:" right?

Your attractiveness is personality. There is a strong correlation with your physical attractiveness and your personality.




The reason PUA and approaching doesn't work and there is no such thing as game or personality is because it takes some milliseconds to decide whether someone is attractive or not.


Attraction is predetermined. They have already decided whether you are attractive or not before you can make your move and play your "game" or show off your "personality."

When women see you for half a second they have already made up their mind. You are not tall enough. You are not attractive enough. Nothing that comes out of your mouth will change their opinion. If w*men see an attractive tall man it doesn't matter what comes out of their mouth. They can be nice, rude, arrogant, confident, timid, shy, sociable, tense, whatever. They can run whatever "game" they want because their attraction was predetermined before they opened their mouth.

You can't self improve yourself out of this. You are preselected attractive man or you are not. There is no inbetweeners. The amount of plates you lift doesn't matter. The clothes you wear don't matter. The education you have doesn't matter. The classique literature you have read doesn't matter.


There are men who play vidya and smoke weed all day but they have no trouble getting women. There are men who go to prison once a year and they run harems. There are men who beat up their girlfriends frequently but they are always in a relationship and never struggle to date. And everyone blames the incel who is never given a chance to go on a date while Chad is smashing his girlfriend's skull.

And then there's some men who go to universities and acquire fancy certificates and go through demanding education programs yet remain incel.




Did this guy have a good personality, did he work on himself, did he improve his attitude and support progressive feminist views to get a wife?





tldr; Attraction is predetermined and your values, morale, personality, attitude, progressive feminist views don't help you. There is no self improvement to become attractive. We are superficial animals and our brains preselect who we like and who we don't like. If women don't find you attractive then there is nothing you can do. You are preselected or you are not. It's over.
 
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High effort post, sums up everything. I only disagree of one thing, I think things like hitting the gym, dressing well and having a """"""""""good"""""""""" personality (read: dark triad aggressive personality; this is the type of personality that attracts foids the most) do matter, but they act like multipliers. If the beginning number is 0, it doesn't make any difference.
 
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Good thread. Felt bad for the uni kid in the video.

Also IT will not touch this since it's filled to the brim with evidence. IT has nothing except platitudes while we have hard evidence.
 
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High effort post, sums up everything. I only disagree of one thing, I think things like hitting the gym, dressing well and having a """"""""""good"""""""""" personality (read: dark triad aggressive personality; this is the type of personality that attracts foids the most) do matter, but they act like multipliers. If the beginning number is 0, it doesn't make any difference.
Dark triad is kind of debatable even though there is evidence showing psychopathic violent men fuck pussy no other men. This is also why there are so many incidents of domestic violence: violent psychopath men are so desirable and hot :p yummie! :heart:

There are also cases where lifting doesn't do anything. It's like you said you need a base. Anything works if you are good looking and tall. Nothing works if you are ugly and/or short.

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Also IT will not touch this since it's filled to the brim with evidence. IT has nothing except platitudes while we have hard evidence.
At best they will call me out on "w*men" as a I used that expression jokingly, and then they will move on and ignore all evidence.
 
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At least youtube seems to have more blackpilled individuals now
 
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Looks and status > literally everything else
 
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Chad can break his girlfriend's skull and society will be afraid of the scary language incels use. Usage of words such as "foid" and "female" on obscure websites is far more dangerous than real domestic violence that happens every day. Violent crime happens every day but it seems to disturb the public (especially women) only when the perpetrator is unattractive. The recent spa massacre is completely sad, unjustified and wrong but people only care about it because the suspect is ugly.

At least youtube seems to have more blackpilled individuals now
More and more men fall into inceldom and they are experiencing blackpill. It is inevitable.
 
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"Self improvement" as a man is like the 'Red Queen Effect'(the phenomenon where you must run increasingly fast just to stay in the same place). That is because, while men look for reasons to qualify women, women look for reasons to disqualify men. The problem isn't with men not "self improving" enough- the problem is with female hypergamy.

Look at men in the past- the typical man in the middle ages was a malnourished serf standing five and a half feet tall. If we look at photos of men in the 1930s and 40s, we don't see legions of iron jawed, neo Spartan warriors, but stick-armed, bucktoothed hayseeds. Yet these men had no problem getting a loyal and dutiful wife. That's because back then, female hypergamy was kept in check, plus there was a minimum level of decent conduct and behavior expected of women. Now, men are more devoted to "self improvement," hitting the gym, etc than ever before, and what do they get in return? Women are more cold and aloof towards them than ever before.
 
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"Self improvement" as a man is like the 'Red Queen Effect'(the phenomenon where you must run increasingly fast just to stay in the same place). That is because, while men look for reasons to qualify women, women look for reasons to disqualify men. The problem isn't with men not "self improving" enough- the problem is with female hypergamy.

Look at men in the past- the typical man in the middle ages was a malnourished serf standing five and a half feet tall. If we look at photos of men in the 1930s and 40s, we don't see legions of iron jawed, neo Spartan warriors, but stick-armed, bucktoothed hayseeds. Yet these men had no problem getting a loyal and dutiful wife. That's because back then, female hypergamy was kept in check, plus there was a minimum level of decent conduct and behavior expected of women. Now, men are more devoted to "self improvement," hitting the gym, etc than ever before, and what do they get in return? Women are more cold and aloof towards them than ever before.
The amount of men that qualify is getting smaller and smaller. You might as well start asking yourself questions if you notice you spend a ton of time, effort, energy and money on improving yourself but you are not receiving any positive reactions from women. Men now are more educated, more intelligent, taller, richer, have better lives but they are struggling to get women. 100 years ago you were the Giga Chad of the city if you worked out, had a middle class standard of living and 6 feet tall. Now you struggle hard to get anything with those stats.

In the past women didn't have access to every good looking man in 100 miles radius and they didn't have the option to work as social media marketing specialists (aka ad spammers on social media) to support themselves.
 
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There are also cases where lifting doesn't do anything. It's like you said you need a base. Anything works if you are good looking and tall. Nothing works if you are ugly and/or short.

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The guy on the right has photos with cute foids, although they might be just friends.
 
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The amount of men that qualify is getting smaller and smaller. You might as well start asking yourself questions if you notice you spend a ton of time, effort, energy and money on improving yourself but you are not receiving any positive reactions from women. Men now are more educated, more intelligent, taller, richer, have better lives but they are struggling to get women. 100 years ago you were the Giga Chad of the city if you worked out, had a middle class standard of living and 6 feet tall. Now you struggle hard to get anything with those stats.

In the past women didn't have access to every good looking man in 100 miles radius and they didn't have the option to work as social media marketing specialists (aka ad spammers on social media) to support themselves.
This just illustrates the fact that the problem is not with men, but with women and their runaway hypergamy.
 
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This must illustrates the fact that the problem is not with men, but with women and their runaway hypergamy.
Everything is relative to the time line, other men and women's needs. It's only getting worse from here.
 
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All this, very true... i was blackpilled as fuck already these last years, and its brutal as hell to realize that until now, you were living in a world of fantasy... you then came to the conclusion of WHY you are still alone... i would rate myself a 7, but its probably all a fantasy in my mind, girls see me like a stupid trash, a non fuckable loser.
 
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If you a japanese sedan car , you can take great care of it, add nice rims, aerodynamic rear spoiler etc...

But it will never have the aerodynamic shape, aesthetic good look , eye catching appeal of a corvette or lambo.

Self improvement can only do so much , it wont turn a Honda Accord into a Corvette
 
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If you a japanese sedan car , you can take great care of it, add nice rims, aerodynamic rear spoiler etc...

But it will never have the aerodynamic shape, aesthetic good look , eye catching appeal of a corvette or lambo.

Self improvement can only do so much , it wont turn a Honda Accord into a Corvette
High IQ analogy.
 
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Based and high iq/effort thread tbh ngl.
 
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This is wet water post for anyone who is blackpilled but I still see some bluepillers here who talk about approaching. I collected some information that's already posted here many times.

So why doesn't approaching work? Can self improvement save you?

The thing bluepillers, certain hate group on CuckIT and PUAcels get wrong is who is actually the one choosing. Even if you approach a w*man it's the w*man who picks (or doesn't pick) you. W*men pick men, not the other way around. They hold all the power in the markets. Men are more generous with their distribution of romantic and sexual interest than women. Far more generous. Women have far more options and they are far pickier than men. There are far more women who men would reject than are men who women would accept.

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Women find tall men attractive. This is an undeniable fact. I doubt anyone denies this. Short men have abysmal chances to find romantic opportunities.


View attachment 424257

So if you don't make it in height and facial attractiveness then you should try to have more of that infamous "pewsonalitee :soy: :soy: :bluepill:" right?

Your attractiveness is personality. There is a strong correlation with your physical attractiveness and your personality.

View attachment 424258


The reason PUA and approaching doesn't work and there is no such thing as game or personality is because it takes some milliseconds to decide whether someone is attractive or not.


Attraction is predetermined. They have already decided whether you are attractive or not before you can make your move and play your "game" or show off your "personality."

When women see you for half a second they have already made up their mind. You are not tall enough. You are not attractive enough. Nothing that comes out of your mouth will change their opinion. If w*men see an attractive tall man it doesn't matter what comes out of their mouth. They can be nice, rude, arrogant, confident, timid, shy, sociable, tense, whatever. They can run whatever "game" they want because their attraction was predetermined before they opened their mouth.

You can't self improve yourself out of this. You are preselected attractive man or you are not. There is no inbetweeners. The amount of plates you lift doesn't matter. The clothes you wear don't matter. The education you have doesn't matter. The classique literature you have read doesn't matter.


There are men who play vidya and smoke weed all day but they have no trouble getting women. There are men who go to prison once a year and they run harems. There are men who beat up their girlfriends frequently but they are always in a relationship and never struggle to date. And everyone blames the incel who is never given a chance to go on a date while Chad is smashing his girlfriend's skull.

And then there's some men who go to universities and acquire fancy certificates and go through demanding education programs yet remain incel.




Did this guy have a good personality, did he work on himself, did he improve his attitude and support progressive feminist views to get a wife?

View attachment 424270



tldr; Attraction is predetermined and your values, morale, personality, attitude, progressive feminist views don't help you. There is no self improvement to become attractive. We are superficial animals and our brains preselect who we like and who we don't like. If women don't find you attractive then there is nothing you can do. You are preselected or you are not. It's over.
Gunna find the deity who made this a thing and kill it.
 
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Not gonna lie I flipped when the Stacy in the vid looked at the incel right after making out with Chad.

At least pretend we don't exist bitch.
 
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Looks > literally everything else
Fixed that for you.
If you a japanese sedan car , you can take great care of it, add nice rims, aerodynamic rear spoiler etc...

But it will never have the aerodynamic shape, aesthetic good look , eye catching appeal of a corvette or lambo.

Self improvement can only do so much , it wont turn a Honda Accord into a Corvette
Wow.
 
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This is wet water post for anyone who is blackpilled but I still see some bluepillers here who talk about approaching. I collected some information that's already posted here many times.

So why doesn't approaching work? Can self improvement save you?

The thing bluepillers, certain hate group on CuckIT and PUAcels get wrong is who is actually the one choosing. Even if you approach a w*man it's the w*man who picks (or doesn't pick) you. W*men pick men, not the other way around. They hold all the power in the markets. Men are more generous with their distribution of romantic and sexual interest than women. Far more generous. Women have far more options and they are far pickier than men. There are far more women who men would reject than are men who women would accept.

View attachment 424255

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Women find tall men attractive. This is an undeniable fact. I doubt anyone denies this. Short men have abysmal chances to find romantic opportunities.


View attachment 424257

So if you don't make it in height and facial attractiveness then you should try to have more of that infamous "pewsonalitee :soy: :soy: :bluepill:" right?

Your attractiveness is personality. There is a strong correlation with your physical attractiveness and your personality.

View attachment 424258


The reason PUA and approaching doesn't work and there is no such thing as game or personality is because it takes some milliseconds to decide whether someone is attractive or not.


Attraction is predetermined. They have already decided whether you are attractive or not before you can make your move and play your "game" or show off your "personality."

When women see you for half a second they have already made up their mind. You are not tall enough. You are not attractive enough. Nothing that comes out of your mouth will change their opinion. If w*men see an attractive tall man it doesn't matter what comes out of their mouth. They can be nice, rude, arrogant, confident, timid, shy, sociable, tense, whatever. They can run whatever "game" they want because their attraction was predetermined before they opened their mouth.

You can't self improve yourself out of this. You are preselected attractive man or you are not. There is no inbetweeners. The amount of plates you lift doesn't matter. The clothes you wear don't matter. The education you have doesn't matter. The classique literature you have read doesn't matter.


There are men who play vidya and smoke weed all day but they have no trouble getting women. There are men who go to prison once a year and they run harems. There are men who beat up their girlfriends frequently but they are always in a relationship and never struggle to date. And everyone blames the incel who is never given a chance to go on a date while Chad is smashing his girlfriend's skull.

And then there's some men who go to universities and acquire fancy certificates and go through demanding education programs yet remain incel.




Did this guy have a good personality, did he work on himself, did he improve his attitude and support progressive feminist views to get a wife?

View attachment 424270



tldr; Attraction is predetermined and your values, morale, personality, attitude, progressive feminist views don't help you. There is no self improvement to become attractive. We are superficial animals and our brains preselect who we like and who we don't like. If women don't find you attractive then there is nothing you can do. You are preselected or you are not. It's over.
great post -- appreciate the citations. Yes, women and far too many men are bluepilled and frankly delusional when it comes to the way things are.

Notice also it's always men that need to "self-improve" lol
 
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Chad can break his girlfriend's skull and society will be afraid of the scary language incels use. Usage of words such as "foid" and "female" on obscure websites is far more dangerous than real domestic violence that happens every day.

Incels are feared by the corrupt politicians and other people in power, (jills and leftard commies), because we threaten their status quo.
But not in the way their propaganda and fake misinformation depicts it. Not because of "incel violence".

Above all else, they are afraid we wake up the normies.

They are afraid that the normies look at us, and instead of seeing the "enemies, devils and monsters", (that the media and them are so desperately trying to portray us as), the normies see us for what we are: victims of a mad, degenerate and corrupt system.

It's all connected really. Foids should never have any rights.
Look at all the chaos and degeneracy it created in western society, in such a short period of time.

It created an electoral mass that they could easily sway. Foids, are the electoral base of Leftists.
Look at the economic chaos it created. It halved the cost of labor, it made them rich.
Now an ugly Incel has to work much more and be paid much less, thus reinforcing their Inceldom.

Giving rights to foids, destroyed the life of many men. Millions of men.
But the corrupts at the top got richer.

If foids lose their rights, (and if we bar other cheap labor and cheap electoral base like blacks/gays/illegal immigrants for example) they lose their cheap labor. (((They))) lose their power.

If normies "wake up", if they mobilize even a little, those corrupts get destroyed.
 
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JFL at this graph



Not even 5'0 woman will want a bellow 5'10 man

What the fuck is literally fucking over for all manlets.
 
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Pretty much water is wet but on steroids, very based post and with solid evidence
 
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i wish i could destroy this reality and create a new world where looks dont matter at all
 
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High effort post, sums up everything. I only disagree of one thing, I think things like hitting the gym, dressing well and having a """"""""""good"""""""""" personality (read: dark triad aggressive personality; this is the type of personality that attracts foids the most) do matter, but they act like multipliers. If the beginning number is 0, it doesn't make any difference.
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High effort post, sums up everything. I only disagree of one thing, I think things like hitting the gym, dressing well and having a """"""""""good"""""""""" personality (read: dark triad aggressive personality; this is the type of personality that attracts foids the most) do matter, but they act like multipliers. If the beginning number is 0, it doesn't make any difference.
this. Dark triad will not make a subhuman or below average dude a slayer, but it can be beneficial to a normie-ht normie, and pretty much a superpower to chadlite-chad
 
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Based Post. I dont have pics of my graduations because i dont have friends to group photos with. All my pics around those periods were candid like you see in before losing weight photos eating cake and not really wanting to be photographed but in my case after is just an older version of that guy
 
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In regards to the video of the guy being mogged at graduation, I wonder if it opened his eyes at all. I was a dense motherfucker when I was younger and even though I had many experiences similar to graduation-cel, the truth was hidden beyond an event horizon of societies making.

It took me a long time before I was able to disregard my prejudices and arrive at the truth. Graduation-cel looks smart, so hopefully, he got it a bit quicker than I did.
 
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Brutal information indeed.

It was ovER in a fraction of a second.
 
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Women and Jews are experts at divide and conquer and social engineering.
 
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Felt bad for the uni kid in the video.

Also IT will not touch this since it's filled to the brim with evidence. IT has nothing except platitudes while we have hard evidence.
Like everybody else here, I've seen all this data before (but thanks for sharing, OP). What was hardest to swallow was watching the guy who was graduating. Watching him watch the couple standing in front of him. And when the big guy who'd been hugging the girl walked away, the kid seemed to look after him and ask "What's he got that I don't?"

My mom forced me to go to my HS graduation. I never went to another graduation ceremony after that one. :/
I wonder if it opened his (graduating guy) eyes at all. I was a dense motherfucker when I was younger and even though I had many experiences similar to graduation-cel, the truth was hidden...
this. Dark triad will not make a subhuman or below average dude a slayer, but it can be beneficial to a normie-ht normie, and pretty much a superpower to chadlite-chad
Chad can break his girlfriend's skull and society will be afraid of the scary language incels use. Usage of words such as "foid" and "female" on obscure websites is far more dangerous than real domestic violence that happens every day. Violent crime happens every day but it seems to disturb the public (especially women) only when the perpetrator is unattractive. The recent spa massacre is completely sad, unjustified and wrong but people only care about it because the suspect is ugly.
 
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