why turkish people AREN'T WHITE. (Convince me otherwise)

[Old Ironsides]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See

Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

 

[Dr. Autismo]

I used to know this one greek boomer, he looked pretty white to me, he even said he was white

 

[Skelly]

 

[Junkie]

I used to know this one greek boomer, he looked pretty white to me, he even said he was white

Greeks are White. At least the genetically European ones are. It's true that Greece has many ethnic looking people because of the Eastern invasions and the race-mixing with near Asian peoples, however.

 

[Smiggles]

Are Slavs White is the real question

 

[Chud Norris72]

Greece is the birthplace of western civilization nigga, can't be more white than that

 

[Lonely Slav]

Greeks are, Turks (on average) aren't. Greeks, by FST, are closer to Northern and Central Europeans than to any MENA:

Also, "white" was originally a southern European descriptor. Spaniards first used "blanco" to differentiate themselves from MENA, and the ancient Greeks used "λευκοί" in a similar way. Given their strong affinities with those ancient Greeks (albeit slightly shifted northward due to Slavic input) most would say yes, modern Greeks undeniably white.

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They used to air a lot of Turkish soap operas when I was younger and still visited my grandparents in Serbia. Rarely any of them looked like Greek folks. Some Western Anatolians can pass as Southern European, and vice versa, but the average is 100% different.

 

[endoftheskies]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See
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Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

okay.
here is my opinion:
Turks and Greeks are white:
Kars, M. E. et al. (2021)
Lazaridis, I. et al. (2022)
Alkan, C. et al. (2014)
Hodoğlugil, U. & Mahley, R. W. (2012)
Coban-Akdemir, Z. et al. (2024)
Mergen, H., Öner, R. & Öner, C. (2004)
Cinnioğlu, C. et al. (2004)
Yunusbayev, B. et al. (2015)
Omrak, A. et al. (2016)
Skourtanioti, E. et al. (2020)
Feldman, M. et al. (2019)
Kılınç, G. M. et al. (2016)
Semino, O. et al. (2004)
Sengupta, S. et al. (2005)
Ottoni, C. et al. (2011)
Serin, A. et al. (2016)
Marchi, N. et al. (2022)
Hofmanová, Z. et al. (2016)
Haber, M. et al. (2016)
Kars, M. E. et al. — (PNAS correction / supplementary; 2021 erratum)

TLDR: The first farmers/indo-europeans descended from Anatolians/Turks. Turkish populations show substantial genetic continuity with ancient Anatolian populations (85-90%). Turks carry admixture from Balkans, Cacasuas, Middle Eastern and minor countries/nations. These studies were taken place all over Turkey (Western Anatolia, Southeastern Anatolian, Kurdistan, etc...). In India, the population of Indo-Aryans shows high genetic continuity with Anatolia, and Anatolians may have had an minor genetic impact on the Indian subcontinent. Modern Turks are descended from ancient Anatolian populations and nomadic settlers/societies. Turks also had an high genetic impact on Aryan populations, in Persia, and other places and what not, and these populations show continuity with Anatolia.

 

[Verxis]

Greece is the birthplace of western civilization nigga, can't be more white than that

And then they did a little white flight like they did out of India. Then the brownoids took over and we wuzzed Grecian culture.

 

[Lonely Slav]

Greeks are White. At least the genetically European ones are. It's true that Greece has many ethnic looking people because of the Eastern invasions and the race-mixing with near Asian peoples, however.

If anything, modern Greeks are lighter than the Ancient Greeks were in phenotype. Mostly because the only major admixture event that happened after the Ancient Greeks were the Slavic invasions that occurred in the middle ages, with their input maxing out at ~30% in northern Greece (gradually trickling down the further south you go). That, and there being an astounding zero percent detectable MENA DNA in Greeks despite your blabber about centuries of Anatolian and Levantine gene flows.

Other proposed migrations, such as settlement by Egyptian or Phoenician colonists22 are not discernible in our data, as there is no measurable Levantine or African influence in the Minoans and Myceneans, thus rejecting the hypothesis that the cultures of the Aegean were seeded by migrants from the old civilizations of these regions.

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[Judge Holden]

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[Junkie]

If anything, modern Greeks are lighter than the Ancient Greeks were in phenotype. Mostly because the only major admixture event that happened after the Ancient Greeks were the Slavic invasions that occurred in the middle ages, with their input maxing out at ~30% in northern Greece (gradually trickling down the further south you go). That, and there being an astounding zero percent detectable MENA DNA in Greeks despite your blabber about centuries of Anatolian and Levantine gene flows.

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Man, you have such a detestable personality. Just make your point without insulting people all the time. I know you can do it if you really try.

 

[Shark]

Greeks are native to Europe and therefore white plus many "Turks" from the western parts are white too because they are basically the same or very similar as Greeks. In fact many of them in reality have their roots in the Balkans due to the Ottoman era

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

Greeks are native to Europe and therefore white plus many "Turks" from the western parts are white too because they are basically the same or very similar as Greeks. In fact many of them in reality have their roots in the Balkans due to the Ottoman era

 

[PolnischeKartoffel]

Are Slavs White is the real question

No, we aren't

We're Indians with nordic colours

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

No, we aren't

We're Indians with nordic colours

Mongol invansions, Gypsy caravans and Hungaroids from Ural corrupted our DNA

 

[姦jiān]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See
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Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

Turks aren’t white, nobody thought they were white either

 

[Moth Knight]

Turks aren’t white, nobody thought they were white either

There are a few light-skinned, blue-eyed Turks in Western Turkey, especially in the European portion of the country that are descended from Anatolian Greek populations but these are a minority. Kurds and most other Turks likely wouldn't be perceived as white by most people.

 

[DarkStar]

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Greeks don't look like that jfl

 

[naizuri]

no human thought otherwise

 

[Azaylias]

YOU ARE NOT WHITE SAAR

 

[DarkStar]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See
View attachment 1572829

Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

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No offense since I like you both, but why is it always some ethnic who thinks they can decide who or what is & isn't White? I mean come on now, it's only on this shithole dumpsterfire of a forum we have Zoomalis and Mutts labeling people based on memes, especially when they don't know anything about genetics or anthropology

@EngelCallDell19 @PersonalityChad @weaselbomber

But I will elab:

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it:

Maritime route of colonization of Europe - PMC

The question of colonization of Europe by Neolithic people of the Near East and their contribution to the farming economy of Europe has been addressed with extensive archaeological studies and many genetic investigations of extant European and Near ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

PNAS

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) - an authoritative source of high-impact, original research that broadly spans the biological, physical, and social sciences.

www.pnas.org

On PCA charts, although they are noticeably drifted from other Europeans, they still fall within the general cluster for Europe:

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(Jews plot intermediary due to mixing)

FST wise they also are closest to other Europeans:

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They also plot closely to the ancient Latini Romans & Mycenaean-Minoan Greeks


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They also were always considered as White historically:


View: https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1952523100882682239

How the White Ethnics Assimilated - American Renaissance

Race deniers get in a muddle again.

www.amren.com

When it comes to phenos/appearance, many do have distinct European ones such as Gracile Med, Dinaro-Med, Dinarid, West alpinid, Pontid or some other mix of it. Some do have a Pseudo look to MENAs or have MENA phenos such as Trans-Med or Armenid.

Southern Italians & Greeks Are White

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it: In historical times, there have been three major invasions of South Eastern Europe from the direction of the Near East but no evidence of major migratory events and gene flow. The...

incels.is

Basically, they have some MENA admixture but it's low

And are closest to most other Europeans

Basically, all europeans descend from three groups: ANF, Hunter Gatherers, and Steppe

Some Turks just look Greek due to Greece colonizing the West Coast in ancient times, and ofc Greek muslim converts migrating there

Chart shows most Turks pull away from Greeks but some are intermediary to them and some pull to South Europe+Balkans as a whole

Greeks are, Turks (on average) aren't. Greeks, by FST, are closer to Northern and Central Europeans than to any MENA:
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Also, "white" was originally a southern European descriptor. Spaniards first used "blanco" to differentiate themselves from MENA, and the ancient Greeks used "λευκοί" in a similar way. Given their strong affinities with those ancient Greeks (albeit slightly shifted northward due to Slavic input) most would say yes, modern Greeks undeniably white.
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They used to air a lot of Turkish soap operas when I was younger and still visited my grandparents in Serbia. Rarely any of them looked like Greek folks. Some Western Anatolians can pass as Southern European, and vice versa, but the average is 100% different.

If anything, modern Greeks are lighter than the Ancient Greeks were in phenotype. Mostly because the only major admixture event that happened after the Ancient Greeks were the Slavic invasions that occurred in the middle ages, with their input maxing out at ~30% in northern Greece (gradually trickling down the further south you go). That, and there being an astounding zero percent detectable MENA DNA in Greeks despite your blabber about centuries of Anatolian and Levantine gene flows.

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Accurate description

And then they did a little white flight like they did out of India. Then the brownoids took over and we wuzzed Grecian culture.

There was no "white flight" in India, they just mixed heavily

In Greece, they are still close to the original ones.

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That pheno is hardly even found in Greece and is more common in Turkey

Anatolid

There's some overlap, especially on the West coast of Anatolia for reasons I explained, but pheno wise they are different

Greece:

Litorid

Dinarid (proper)

Gracile Mediterranid

West Alpinid

Pontid

Anatolia:

Armenid

Iranid

Assyroid

Anatolid

Turanid

Greeks are White. At least the genetically European ones are. It's true that Greece has many ethnic looking people because of the Eastern invasions and the race-mixing with near Asian peoples, however.

There's no East Eurasian in Greece

There's some MENA in them, but it's relatively low- most ethnic looking ones come from the Island parts as you can see on the maps.

 

[weaselbomber]

No offense since I like you both, but why is it always some ethnic who thinks they can decide who or what is & isn't White? I mean come on now, it's only on this shithole dumpsterfire of a forum we have Zoomalis and Mutts labeling people based on memes, especially when they don't know anything about genetics or anthropology

@EngelCallDell19 @PersonalityChad @weaselbomber

But I will elab:

Southern Italians & Greeks Are White

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it: In historical times, there have been three major invasions of South Eastern Europe from the direction of the Near East but no evidence of major migratory events and gene flow. The...

incels.is

Basically, they have some MENA admixture but it's low

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And are closest to most other Europeans

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Basically, all europeans descend from three groups: ANF, Hunter Gatherers, and Steppe

Some Turks just look Greek due to Greece colonizing the West Coast in ancient times, and ofc Greek muslim converts migrating there

View attachment 1576233

Chart shows most Turks pull away from Greeks but some are intermediary to them and some pull to South Europe+Balkans as a whole



Accurate description

There was no "white flight" in India, they just mixed heavily

In Greece, they are still close to the original ones.

That pheno is hardly even found in Greece and is more common in Turkey

Anatolid

View attachment 1576240

There's some overlap, especially on the West coast of Anatolia for reasons I explained, but pheno wise they are different

Greece:

Litorid

Dinarid (proper)

Gracile Mediterranid

West Alpinid

Pontid

Anatolia:

Armenid

Iranid

Assyroid

Anatolid

Turanid

There's no East Eurasian in Greece

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There's some MENA in them, but it's relatively low- most ethnic looking ones come from the Island parts as you can see on the maps.

good post

 

[PersonalityChad]

No offense since I like you both, but why is it always some ethnic who thinks they can decide who or what is & isn't White? I mean come on now, it's only on this shithole dumpsterfire of a forum we have Zoomalis and Mutts labeling people based on memes, especially when they don't know anything about genetics or anthropology

@EngelCallDell19 @PersonalityChad @weaselbomber

But I will elab:

Southern Italians & Greeks Are White

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it: In historical times, there have been three major invasions of South Eastern Europe from the direction of the Near East but no evidence of major migratory events and gene flow. The...

incels.is

Basically, they have some MENA admixture but it's low

View attachment 1576221

And are closest to most other Europeans

View attachment 1576222View attachment 1576258

Basically, all europeans descend from three groups: ANF, Hunter Gatherers, and Steppe

Some Turks just look Greek due to Greece colonizing the West Coast in ancient times, and ofc Greek muslim converts migrating there

View attachment 1576233

Chart shows most Turks pull away from Greeks but some are intermediary to them and some pull to South Europe+Balkans as a whole



Accurate description

There was no "white flight" in India, they just mixed heavily

In Greece, they are still close to the original ones.

That pheno is hardly even found in Greece and is more common in Turkey

Anatolid

View attachment 1576240

There's some overlap, especially on the West coast of Anatolia for reasons I explained, but pheno wise they are different

Greece:

Litorid

Dinarid (proper)

Gracile Mediterranid

West Alpinid

Pontid

Anatolia:

Armenid

Iranid

Assyroid

Anatolid

Turanid

There's no East Eurasian in Greece

View attachment 1576259

There's some MENA in them, but it's relatively low- most ethnic looking ones come from the Island parts as you can see on the maps.

High IQ post

 

[DarkStar]

good post

High IQ post

Kek thanks but you guys ignored the question i asked

 

[Azaylias]

Kek thanks but you guys ignored the question i asked

I wasn't gonna tag you to avoid dragging you into another pointless argument with random troglodytes but you found your way here anyway

 

[DarkStar]

Mongol invansions, Gypsy caravans and Hungaroids from Ural corrupted our DNA

Didn't even happen, the amount of Asian in Slavs is so low it doesn't matter

 

[Verxis]

No offense since I like you both, but why is it always some ethnic who thinks they can decide who or what is & isn't White? I mean come on now, it's only on this shithole dumpsterfire of a forum we have Zoomalis and Mutts labeling people based on memes, especially when they don't know anything about genetics or anthropology

@EngelCallDell19 @PersonalityChad @weaselbomber

But I will elab:

Southern Italians & Greeks Are White

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it: In historical times, there have been three major invasions of South Eastern Europe from the direction of the Near East but no evidence of major migratory events and gene flow. The...

incels.is

Basically, they have some MENA admixture but it's low

View attachment 1576221

And are closest to most other Europeans

View attachment 1576222View attachment 1576258

Basically, all europeans descend from three groups: ANF, Hunter Gatherers, and Steppe

Some Turks just look Greek due to Greece colonizing the West Coast in ancient times, and ofc Greek muslim converts migrating there

View attachment 1576233

Chart shows most Turks pull away from Greeks but some are intermediary to them and some pull to South Europe+Balkans as a whole



Accurate description

There was no "white flight" in India, they just mixed heavily

In Greece, they are still close to the original ones.

That pheno is hardly even found in Greece and is more common in Turkey

Anatolid

View attachment 1576240

There's some overlap, especially on the West coast of Anatolia for reasons I explained, but pheno wise they are different

Greece:

Litorid

Dinarid (proper)

Gracile Mediterranid

West Alpinid

Pontid

Anatolia:

Armenid

Iranid

Assyroid

Anatolid

Turanid

There's no East Eurasian in Greece

View attachment 1576259

There's some MENA in them, but it's relatively low- most ethnic looking ones come from the Island parts as you can see on the maps.

Go to Greece and tell me they are white.

 

[DarkStar]

Go to Greece and tell me they are white.

ok, chingchong

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Greece is the birthplace of western civilization nigga, can't be more white than that

 

[Blackpill Monk]

No offense since I like you both, but why is it always some ethnic who thinks they can decide who or what is & isn't White? I mean come on now, it's only on this shithole dumpsterfire of a forum we have Zoomalis and Mutts labeling people based on memes, especially when they don't know anything about genetics or anthropology

@EngelCallDell19 @PersonalityChad @weaselbomber

But I will elab:

Southern Italians & Greeks Are White

To begin with, the Mediterranean sea has served as a barrier between the various populations located on it: In historical times, there have been three major invasions of South Eastern Europe from the direction of the Near East but no evidence of major migratory events and gene flow. The...

incels.is

Basically, they have some MENA admixture but it's low

View attachment 1576221

And are closest to most other Europeans

View attachment 1576222View attachment 1576258

Basically, all europeans descend from three groups: ANF, Hunter Gatherers, and Steppe

Some Turks just look Greek due to Greece colonizing the West Coast in ancient times, and ofc Greek muslim converts migrating there

View attachment 1576233

Chart shows most Turks pull away from Greeks but some are intermediary to them and some pull to South Europe+Balkans as a whole



Accurate description

There was no "white flight" in India, they just mixed heavily

In Greece, they are still close to the original ones.

That pheno is hardly even found in Greece and is more common in Turkey

Anatolid

View attachment 1576240

There's some overlap, especially on the West coast of Anatolia for reasons I explained, but pheno wise they are different

Greece:

Litorid

Dinarid (proper)

Gracile Mediterranid

West Alpinid

Pontid

Anatolia:

Armenid

Iranid

Assyroid

Anatolid

Turanid

There's no East Eurasian in Greece

View attachment 1576259

There's some MENA in them, but it's relatively low- most ethnic looking ones come from the Island parts as you can see on the maps.

High IQ and great post

 

[Sir Silentium]

I feel as if it depends from turk to turk. I have seen some really mixed turks, but some others that look very unmixed, as if they are a normal European.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

I feel as if it depends from turk to turk. I have seen some really mixed turks, but some others that look very unmixed, as if they are a normal European.

Turks aren't White nor European

 

[Sir Silentium]

Turks aren't White nor European

I was saying some look as if they are, generally the upper class turks as their ancestors would have mixed less with those of darker colours.

 

[Verxis]

ok, chingchong

Cool it with the racism against an aryan.

 

[Animecel2D]

 

[Chaos.Jr]

Are Slavs White is the real question

 

[Sir Waco]

cope iam from izmir
also greek woman respond to my instagram dms wallahi please, i will make hagia sophia christian again just for you

 

[hikkicel]

Let’s be real: A minor fraction of Turkish people can be considered white (let’s say 10%, often seen in high-class Turkish society), but most aren’t or they’re too heavily mixed

 

[Jaquarius1488]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See
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Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

Also depends on what Region your from, Ive seen some Turkish guys that looked like Aryan chads

 

[poorenglishcel]

Race.is

 

[Shark]

Race.is

 

[endoftheskies]

cope iam from izmir
also greek woman respond to my instagram dms wallahi please, i will make hagia sophia christian again just for you

nigger. anatolia belongs to the anatolians. not the greeks. it is and will be turkish forever.

 

[endoftheskies]

Greeks aren't either, so why debate this kek.

See
View attachment 1572829

Turkish, not white. Turkish Brown. Brown skin they have.
ChatGPT even said Turkish, brown.

• Anatolian mix: As Turkic peoples migrated into Anatolia, they intermixed with local populations that had lived there for millennia, including Anatolian farmers, Greeks, Romans, Kurds, Armenians, and other groups. This created a unique genetic and physical diversity within the Turkish population.

ChatGPT isn't an reliable source nigger.

 

[GobidMujahid]

Descendants of Muhacirs from Europe can be considered white Turks.

 

[Skelly]

nor European

 

[endoftheskies]

Let’s be real: A minor fraction of Turkish people can be considered white (let’s say 10%, often seen in high-class Turkish society), but most aren’t or they’re too heavily mixed

not. turks have 99% genetic continuity with anatolians, they are anatolians, turkish is just an madeup ethnicity. retarded ass nigger.

 

[hikkicel]

not. turks have 99% genetic continuity with anatolians, they are anatolians, turkish is just an madeup ethnicity. retarded ass nigger.

Do you believe in the one drop rule, nigga?

 

[Sir Waco]

nigger. anatolia belongs to the anatolians. not the greeks. it is and will be turkish forever.

keep seething for no reason retard

 

[FuckYou]