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I too, like most people, always felt like escorceling was cucked, disgusting and "loveless".

But, after decades thinking throught this idea, some time ago I realized that escortceling is the only rational choice for a 21st century man, especially if you have incel-tier looks.

Foids are a breeding species, and that's how men have treated foids for most of history, they could have basically two functions: either a professional whore or a professional wife. These were the true androcentric times.

Gynocracy started gathering heat as early as "Christianity" started forming (even though original hebrew israelites and "actual" early "Christians" treated women the same way), but in the last 300 to 400 years ago things really started going downhill fast, with the 1960s free love movement being just the (last) tip of the iceberg.

So, it's been "over" for tradLARPers some hundreds of years ago already.

When given the choice, more and more women CHOOSE to be promiscuous and to devalue forming a family, it's in their nature to be whores instead of being prude housekeeping wives caring for their multiple offspring from the same decent and loyal man. If you really understand the blackpill (that we're all just horny animals instinctively pursuing survival) AND HAVE A GRASP OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, you will for certain know this is bluepill nonsense that you see in TV but not in your actual surroundings.

Proof of this is that we are a generation of sons of single mothers and cuckold fathers, and that's the direction we're heading more and more.

So, if women chose to be whores, then why would you treat them otherwise?

A common thing I see is that, the less experienced someone is in sex (so, vast majority of incels), the more they are against the idea of prostitution. The younger ones are especially vicious about it, because they just started leaving the influence of their parents bluepilling and started having contact with the actual world, but they still can't exactly see that the majority of people in adulthood are drug addicts (all included), sexual perverts, criminals, liars, gold diggers, whores, etc.

Meanwhile, actual normies who manage to have a few bad quality jestermaxing cuckold relationships with 21st century "non-professional" whores, after realizing that having pity sex with a low-tier Becky after 1 year is not that much exciting anymore, still end up seeing escorts (lots of them are dating or married) or at least think less badly about it than incels.

For Chads it's different, but they come to the realization that women are whores because they get a lot of it for free and can see it from the inside, in my HS years I remember all stacies were passed around by different Chads, and they all shared themselves with each other (there was even some homo shit, not even kidding), life for them is an orgy. So when Chad sees this, he enjoys it, but he really doesn't get too much attached to it, and most of them are really blackpilled consciously or not.

Now, normies are the ones who end up marry most of these CC riders when they are about to hit the infertiliy wall, but it's incels that really can't come to grips with that women are nothing more than horny bitches, and men are too, just substantially more developed in the neurological and ontological sense, but still animals.

The older a man is, the more common it is that he thinks prostitution is OK and partake in it, and this is not an abnormality, because this is how men most commonly had sex for the majority of the history of the civilized world (before that it was rape or rape).

It is only natural that men want to have as much sex as they can with as many women as they can (the reason why Chad has many women and, in ancient times, powerful patriarchs had many wives and sex slaves), and especially, with as many fertile (peak sexual beauty) women as they can, it is one of the most pleasurable sensations you can have and certainly one of the most instinctual.

Building a family and contributing to society is only necessary for a civilizational end - but soon enough you'll realize that civilization is a hoax, an attempt at materializing an idealized "egregore" for humanity, a supposed telepathic tie between humans that's pushed towards a higher end. But there's no higher end, there's just survival and sex, and the bullshit humans come up to justify it to their ego that they're doing "more" than just that.

Incel, wake up to reality, naiveté can only last so long, and we're the ones who usually take the most time to realize these things, because nobody tells us like it is, and we cannot experience it as Chads, Stacies, Beckies and normies do.

Now, your ego still exists, your body still exists, and it needs to be pleased. Only you can make it happen, and this is the only life this hellish God has given you, and it rots fast. I have nothing personal against roping, not on a rational level, but if you're going to stay (and while you think about doing it or not), you should take as much as you can while giving as little little as possible, this is a battle for yourself, not for an ideal of youself or the world.

Trip on some good drugs, drive a motorcycle at 300km per hour at a hill, learn how to fight and how to wield the natural power of your coom, wrestle with fellow men, and coom as much as possible by earning your way into Prime Slave Cunny.

It is not just a personal vendetta against society and women at large, but I refuse to fuck any whore that is older than 25 and less than a 7/10 in looks, and I try as much as possible go get the premium rawdog / bareback experience, even if I have to pay a little extra.

I have tried the :bluepill:, I have tried the :redpill:, I did the work but I do not fit the concept of a physically desirable man because of height and looks, I made a jester out of myself to get the crumbs of normies and Chads, only the :blackpill: set me free to see what the world is and what it has to offer, and I am only concerned about my own pleasure and power, just like everybody else is, and nobody is going to do it for me if not for myself - on the contrary, everybody will want to leech off of the less favoured, and that includes us. You are a target, even if insignificant, but you as a low value male being put down for others to see in public certainly has an use to soyciety, and it is a circus that is pleasant for the elites to see so they can feel better about their vain lives.

To clarify some things, here are quick answers to common objections:

1. Whores are nasty because of their large sexual past, I need a virgin or a foid with a low sexual body count because they're "cleaner".
Answer:
You are beyound delusional if you think your regular 15 year old foid hasn't had sex with at least 1 guy (more likely 3) by that age. By age 18, it's probably 5 to 10, and then they go to college - that's the end of the road and the start of the cock carousel.

See the article, data from 2015 on the US:


According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the average age Americans lose their virginity (defined here as vaginal sexual intercourse) is 17.1 for both men and women. The CDC also reports that virgins make up 12.3 percent of females and 14.3 percent of males ages 20 to 24. That number drops below 5 percent for both male and female virgins ages 25 to 29 and goes as low as 0.3 percent for virgins ages 40 to 44.

So, by age 20, only 12.3 percent of foids are virgins (JFL - consider that foids usually lie about their sexual past). You have to consider too that truly subhuman foids make up a percentage of women (yes they exist) and it could aswell be 12.3 percent.

By age 25 (so, by now, a lot less are virgins), of these 87,7 percent of foids who are sexually experienced, only 17.7 had 1 partner. Here are the rest of the numbers:


Percentage distribution of sexually experienced women and men 25-49 years of age by number of opposite-sex sexual partners in lifetime
2015-2019
Women 25-49Men 25-49
Percent (SE)
1 partner17.7 (0.90)11.2 (0.86)
2-4 partners29.2 (0.75)22.3 (0.78)
5-9 partners28.6 (0.85)25.8 (0.88)
10-14 partners11.6 (0.57)12.5 (0.61)
15 or more partners12.9 (0.71)28.3 (0.93)

Key Statistics from the National Survey of Family Growth – N Listing

Now, what are the chances my brother? Every foid has been deflowered.

I want you to answer me honestly, what is the difference of a woman having 1 sexual partner in the past or having a 100?

If you manage to "ascend" and get your comfy GF to watch netflix and chill with or worse, build a traditional family and lifestyle, it will be with a foid that has been ravaged through all her holes and begged for her Chad to cum inside of her mouth, she was his little submissive puppy dog and you'll at best manage to be the 2nd guy after him - JFL :feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown:

Now, if the girl is is not even virgin, if society doesn't permit you to punish her if she misbehaves and if you can't treat her as property (and you can treat with fairness and even kindness a property, like a cat or a dog you own) and discipline her, and society doesn't, if she will inevitably come in contact with the globalized world at some point through (any kind of) media and be guided towards misbehavior (that she's already prone to indulge in), why would you waste your time?

You should do as the ancient, who had to act on their instincts because there was not much other recourses, but also less social inhibitions, norms and repressive forces. They made women their wives (not the bluepill disney 500 days of summer version but the hunter-gatherer, ancient civilization versions) or their professional whores, and even plebs could have their share if put the strength necessary.

As a pleb now, you can focus your strength into earning resources and, whenever pleases you to have sex, you can pick a young Stacy to fuck and treat her as an animal, the same way women have treated you, but to your own pleasure.

All women are (potential and instinctual) whores, whether they could act on it or not, is a subject of the past, we're at peak levels of gynocentric zeitgeist and it's beyond over unless there's a nuclear war that wipes 99% of the masses.

Love is bullshit and bluepill nonsense - there is only lust and innoncence, and both of these pass quite fast through this journey of life. I would rather strive for pleasure and being contempt.

Objection 2: The prices are high
Answer:
It's mostly affordable and 2 to 3 times a month is a perfect (ideal, not currently real) amount for me, but I live in a 3rd world cuntry while having a somehow decent job with disposable income and reduced costs of living. I do not spend only in this shit though. I invest part of my wageslave income and pay for other copes such as MMA-maxxing and weed-maxxing. Otherwise, this is a fair point because in some countries I see that the prices can be over the top, but I'm sure you can manage to pick a decent choice 1 to 2 times a month if you have a little bit of disposable income. If normies stopped simping, betabuxxing and jestermaxxing these bitches when they are about to hit the wall, lots and lots more bitches will have to sell themselves out to whoredom (like they did in ancient times), and prices could be lower (they are in some places).

Objection 3: It's hard or illegal in my country
Answer:
First, there are a lot of "illegal" things but in reality everybody violates the law all the time, people lie all the time and manipulate all the time, the chances are very low that you'll be arrested for doing this unless you are incredibly stupid and it's a thing that police will really look the other way because there are bigger problems than that. In my country it's "illegal" but in really it's not illegal at all, in fact it's pretty common for most men I know to have fucked whores before, men of all adult ages. Second, if you live in a country where it's illegal, you can likely pay with your good currency for prostitution in poorer countries, if you can't go live there, you can make somehow regular trips.

Objection 4: It's mostly condom sex, so it's not nearly as pleasant as rawdog / bareback sex.
Answer:
That's a fair point and it's the most common experience you'll find today. Honestly, I myself always try the best to pay a reasonable fee to try to work my way through and always stay as physically fit as possible to provide a stimulant (for me) sexual experience and maybe arouse her through penetration. I will try as much as possible (whenever I'm focused on whoremaxxing) to find my way to Prime Slave Cunny Condomless Sex, even if some of the experiences end up having to be with condom. There are ways for you to access rawdog paid sex, but you'll have to earn it (not through looks though). The best way to get the less nasty ones is to try to find freelancers and/or foids who are fresh on the business (beginners), and if you want require an STD test.

I think this is an important subject that needs to be reflected upon by the incel community, if most low tier males chose to whoremax instead of being simps and betabuxers and jestermaxers to 21st century cumdumpsters, this soyciety would crumble. If it doesn't, the most important is that you'll manage to please yourself in this wasteland that is existance.
 
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Why escortcels are right​

about what? escortcels don't universally hold the same opinions they are merely celibates who pay escorts for various things

I too, like most people, always felt like escorceling was cucked, disgusting and "loveless".
But, after decades thinking throught this idea, some time ago I realized that escortceling is the only rational choice for a 21st century man, especially if you have incel-tier looks.
There's always not spending your money on an escort. Why is that not a rational choice?

So, if women chose to be whores, then why would you treat them otherwise?
because I don't want to pay them money, especially not high amounts of it

men around the world collectively taking a "if I don't betabux and SIMP for them some other guy will" approach and not unifying against this exploitation is what has allowed this shit to thrive

A common thing I see is that, the less experienced someone is in sex (so, vast majority of incels), the more they are against the idea of prostitution. The younger ones are especially vicious about it, because they just started leaving the influence of their parents bluepilling and started having contact with the actual world, but they still can't exactly see that the majority of people in adulthood are drug addicts (all included), sexual perverts, criminals, liars, gold diggers, whores, etc.

Meanwhile, actual normies who manage to have a few bad quality jestermaxing cuckold relationships with 21st century "non-professional" whores, after realizing that having pity sex with a low-tier Becky after 1 year is not that much exciting anymore, still end up seeing escorts (lots of them are dating or married) or at least think less badly about it than incels.
I understand being jaded and htinking "if the only sex I will get is surprise betabuxing from pity becky who hates me, may as well see an honest escort"

I hold the same attitude. But at the same time I'd like to avoid both of them because that's humiliating suifuel.

For Chads it's different, but they come to the realization that women are whores because they get a lot of it for free
Girls giving free sex to chad and girls selling sex to ugly men are entirely different animals OP

I wouldn't group this together as 'whoring' there's different motives at play.


in my HS years I remember all stacies were passed around by different Chads, and they all shared themselves with each other (there was even some homo shit, not even kidding), life for them is an orgy. So when Chad sees this, he enjoys it, but he really doesn't get too much attached to it, and most of them are really blackpilled consciously or not.
yes, many normies act as if blackpilled while not actively espousing it, some of them are active doublethinkers and other subconsciously doublethink

The older a man is, the more common it is that he thinks prostitution is OK and partake in it, and this is not an abnormality, because this is how men most commonly had sex for the majority of the history of the civilized world (before that it was rape or rape).
I don't find anything immoral about paying a girl for sex, I just don't like the cucked crazy high fees, needing to risk being an outlaw to do it, etc.
Maybe if it was cheap and legal like europe I'd try it out, but otherwise it's too much cost for too little reward.


It is only natural that men want to have as much sex as they can with as many women as they can
I want to have sex with as few men as possible and fucking a woman with a high partner count (as many prostitutes are wont to have) feels like indirectly fucking those guys, it invokes disgust because most men aren't respectable and I don't want to associate with them like that. I'd only feel good taking sloppy seconds from a man who I respected, where a woman partnering with him is less of an embarassment by association.


Incel, wake up to reality, naiveté can only last so long, and we're the ones who usually take the most time to realize these things, because nobody tells us like it is, and we cannot experience it as Chads, Stacies, Beckies and normies do.

Now, your ego still exists, your body still exists, and it needs to be pleased.
and paying some obese roastie a thousan dollars to give me a handy will somehow boost my ego?
sorry I'm not good enough a coper for that to make sense to me

only the :blackpill: set me free to see what the world is and what it has to offer, and I am only concerned about my own pleasure and power
giving money to women removes your power and gives it to them :feelswhat:

1. Whores are nasty because of their large sexual past, I need a virgin or a foid with a low sexual body count because they're "cleaner".
Answer:
You are beyound delusional if you think your regular 15 year old foid hasn't had sex with at least 1 guy (more likely 3) by that age.
All you're really disputing here is that you'll find 15yo virgins, not that a virgin is still the ideal and that anything else is a consolation prize

So, by age 20, only 12.3 percent of foids are virgins (JFL - consider that foids usually lie about their sexual past).
A lot more foids do stuff like anal and fellatio and stuff instead of vaginal sex (to avoid pregnancy without burdening Chad w/ using a condom) so it might be closer to accurate than we'd suspect.

I'm sure they'll mean in the sense of technical virginity and I bet these foids who get pussy-fucked w/ a condom still consider themselves virgins (technically they are, IMO it's not sex until the urethra kisses the service)

You have to consider too that truly subhuman foids make up a percentage of women (yes they exist) and it could aswell be 12.3 percent.
if it was 12.3 % then 99% of the reason would be aforementioned technicalities, not her looks, unless maybe she was volcel because she can't get gigachad and he's all she'll accept

Now, what are the chances my brother? Every foid has been deflowered.
not all, but the two who haven't are engaged to be deflowered and off the market


I want you to answer me honestly, what is the difference of a woman having 1 sexual partner in the past or having a 100?
99 penises

If you manage to "ascend" and get your comfy GF to watch netflix and chill with or worse, build a traditional family and lifestyle, it will be with a foid that has been ravaged through all her holes and begged for her Chad to cum inside of her mouth, she was his little submissive puppy dog and you'll at best manage to be the 2nd guy after him - JFL :feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown::feelsclown:
I don't think all foids who sucked chad cock necessarily were vocal about it, pretty sure the quiet types just sucked silently


Now, if the girl is is not even virgin, if society doesn't permit you to punish her if she misbehaves and if you can't treat her as property (and you can treat with fairness and even kindness a property, like a cat or a dog you own) and discipline her, and society doesn't, if she will inevitably come in contact with the globalized world at some point through (any kind of) media and be guided towards misbehavior (that she's already prone to indulge in), why would you waste your time?
if I enjoy her company then it's not a waste of time, I'm just not going to invest any huge resources unduly on someone who might betray me, she needs to reciprocate and have it in balance

basically if I make her dinner, she needs to make me dinner before I make dinner a 2nd time.

You should do as the ancient, who had to act on their instincts because there was not much other recourses, but also less social inhibitions, norms and repressive forces. They made women their wives (not the bluepill disney 500 days of summer version but the hunter-gatherer, ancient civilization versions) or their professional whores, and even plebs could have their share if put the strength necessary.
the ancients were cavemen who raped like in Search for Fire

you can focus your strength into earning resources and, whenever pleases you to have sex, you can pick a young Stacy to fuck and treat her as an animal, the same way women have treated you, but to your own pleasure.
The idea of that only appeals to part of me, and disgusts the other part of me. I don't think engaging in one-sided sadism and degradation would bring me any long-term happiness.

Ultimately what's cucked about your approach is that this somehow convinces you that you have conquered the abuses of your past, but all you would be doing is LARPing a victor while the prostitute is the true victor as she pockets your cash.

The idea of her taking hundreds for an hour's work and then spending that on Chad's rent is suifuel, maybe you can block that out but I can't.

Objection 2: The prices are high
Answer:
It's mostly affordable and 2 to 3 times a month is a perfect (ideal, not currently real) amount for me
I'd want to fuck way more than once a week, all having occasional access would do for me is make me pine for it when I can't have it, and probably ruin my fapping because I'd be thinking of the obese roasties in my price range instead of the perfect lolis in the drawings I look at. I would only be able to fantasize about hatefucking.

I don't want to lose myself in hate OP, there's enough of that, I need variety in my fapping. I want to focus on what I love, what is beautiful, not just gutter hatefucks.

Objection 3: It's hard or illegal in my country
Answer:
First, there are a lot of "illegal" things but in reality everybody violates the law all the time, people lie all the time and manipulate all the time, the chances are very low that you'll be arrested for doing this unless you are incredibly stupid
horniness will make you stupid, that's why you don't give into desperation. You start out 'smart' then build up a sex addiction and cut corners.


and it's a thing that police will really look the other way because there are bigger problems than that.
that's BS cops want their quotas and backpats, they will go after johns because it's easy


if you live in a country where it's illegal, you can likely pay with your good currency for prostitution in poorer countries, if you can't go live there, you can make somehow regular trips.
and then they arrest you for sex tourism

Objection 4: It's mostly condom sex, so it's not nearly as pleasant as rawdog / bareback sex.
Answer:
That's a fair point and it's the most common experience you'll find today. Honestly, I myself always try the best to pay a reasonable fee to try to work my way through and always stay as physically fit as possible to provide a stimulant (for me) sexual experience and maybe arouse her through penetration. I will try as much as possible (whenever I'm focused on whoremaxxing) to find my way to Prime Slave Cunny Condomless Sex
what a cope, she's not your slave - you're paying her, you're basically her slave, giving her the fruits of your labour for very little on her behalf


if most low tier males chose to whoremax instead of being simps and betabuxers and jestermaxers to 21st century cumdumpsters, this soyciety would crumble
whoremaxing and betabuxing are two sides of the same coin, the only difference is the forthrightness


the most important is that you'll manage to please yourself in this wasteland that is existance.
Why are you so confident this will be pleasant for the rest of us, or even yourself in the long term?

I know it will fill the coom void in the short term, but if you don't have an immediate revelation you're bound to eventually.

I want to make love to a cute budding fifteen year old girl like this one OP

Naruse Jun

If I'm going to settle for something less than such an ideal it should be at least be a girl with a good enough heart to share her body for free and not look at touching me as a job she needs compensation for.

Needing to pay would just twinge every moment with me feeling lesser and humiliated. I don't know how you could possibly spin it as degrading the foid, she is degrading you.
 
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The idea of paying for sex disgusts me. In doing so, you are non-verbally putting a worthless whore on a pedestal while simultaneously degrading yourself. The moment you hand over your hard earned cash for her worn out cumsleeve, you've essentially told her this.

"I realize that I'm not good enough for you to have sex with me. I'll pay you to compensate for my inferiority! How much do you want? Can we kiss too?"
 
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Excellent post OP.

Escorts are the only thing we will ever be able to get before we die. Might as well take it.
 
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It is and it isn't. There's hardly any choice for an incel tho, so it's a must for every incel out there. Now on the downsides tho, there are a few.

First and foremost is the expensiveness of it all, as we're incel is not like we're magically rich and make a lot of money. So it may be a concern for a lot of us, myself included. I can't afford most things, not even talking prostitution.

Second is the quality of sex. @BlkPillPres Seems to have this notion that sex with a whore is the same as you'll have with a girl that's actually into you. I feel like this dosn't play out in reality, sure whores provide a service and that service must be good and whatnot. But let's face it, as every service provider in the world. If there's enough demand they won't give a shit if they provide good service or not, you'll have to settle. Also it's gonna be fake as shit, do you mean to tell me that's gonna be the same as having a gf that actually is attracted to you? Nah fam. That's just another level of copium.

Third is... well diseases basically, i've though a lot about this and there are certain expensive whores which i would like to bang. And referencing your 4th point, most of us will be tempted to do it bare. Cus it must suck ass doing it with a condom, i've tried jerking off with a condom and it feels worse than with my hand. So it should be the same with sex-

Overall as incels we need a way to get sex, prostitution is a proven way to do so. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking we have it better than normies, because it's plenty obvious that we do not. If we did we wouldn't even be here posting shit in the first place.
 
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I don't think onlyfans should exist. I think it's ok to pay for pussy but i don't think it's ok to pay for nudes or videos. It's super cucked
 
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Nice post, you have some profound ideas I've never really considered before.

I am a virgin still, considered seeing escorts but thought the experience would be unlike the real thing, perhaps the girl just lays there uninterested while you pound away (indeed in my country there are forums where men can write reviews of whores, so as to avoid a bad 'punt').

I'm gonna start escortmaxxing, then go to SEA to experience it for real.
 
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Nostradamus IQ thread good job. I agree 100%
 
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Cope, paying money for whores is cucked beyond redemption. Even betabuxxing is preferable since you at least get to have children.
 
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Even betabuxxing is preferable since you at least get to have children
B-B-BUT I HAVE TO HAVE CHILDREN BECAUSE… I JUST DO OK

Having children is cucked beyond redemption
 
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B-B-BUT I HAVE TO HAVE CHILDREN BECAUSE… I JUST DO OK

Having children is cucked beyond redemption
Have fun roping at 30 or living a long and lonely life :feelshaha:
 
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It’s cope and if u pay more than 60$ ur cuck
 
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The idea of paying for sex disgusts me. In doing so, you are non-verbally putting a worthless whore on a pedestal while simultaneously degrading yourself. The moment you hand over your hard earned cash for her worn out cumsleeve, you've essentially told her this.

"I realize that I'm not good enough for you to have sex with me. I'll pay you to compensate for my inferiority! How much do you want? Can we kiss too?"
there really isnt much choice other than this though
 
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But let's not delude ourselves into thinking we have it better than normies, because it's plenty obvious that we do not. If we did we wouldn't even be here posting shit in the first place.
Normies can always choose to live like an Incel. We never had the opportunity to choose. That’s why Normie life > Incel life.

The escortcel retards are always posting their essays on ID to justify their bluepilled theories. It is hilarious.
 
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Tbh the mom of Jesus was the biggest whore, she faked god's semen to ascend, and not get stoned and now we have retarded religions
 
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Normies can always choose to live like an Incel. We never had the opportunity to choose. That’s why Normie life > Incel life.

The escortcel retards are always posting their essays on ID to justify their bluepilled theories. It is hilarious.
They've some things right but they end up talking like PUA or Redpilled advice, when in reality they should note the downsides too and not paint a stupid picture of "i win cuz x while normies have to deal with women bs so incel life is better" lol.
 
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Second is the quality of sex. @BlkPillPres Seems to have this notion that sex with a whore is the same as you'll have with a girl that's actually into you. I feel like this dosn't play out in reality, sure whores provide a service and that service must be good and whatnot. But let's face it, as every service provider in the world. If there's enough demand they won't give a shit if they provide good service or not, you'll have to settle. Also it's gonna be fake as shit, do you mean to tell me that's gonna be the same as having a gf that actually is attracted to you? Nah fam. That's just another level of copium.
If Genghis Khan and other men like him throughout history didn't give a fuck about "mutual attraction" why should men like us that are inferior to them in every way possible even care?

Seems to me like your ego is too big for someone of your level, to even be limiting yourself based on absolute standards like that.

I always find it funny how the mindset of the modern man has been feminized yet most men think that their standards are masculine.

Rape was one of the most common things for men to engage in hundreds of years ago (not even thousands), do you think any of those guys were thinking - "Man, I'm really not enjoying this because there's no mutual "love" or attraction". Do you think any of these men were forcing themselves to rape? :feelskek: (like they didn't enjoy it but they felt like they didn't have a choice).

Let men like you tell history, and you'll say that men raped because of peer pressure, and there's no way that raping a woman or having sex with a woman that isn't showing explicit mutual attraction could be as enjoyable as the opposite.



The funny thing is a lot of people these days are having "rough sex" (choking, slapping, bdsm, etc) as if they are trying to "simulate" rape, and they call anything that isn't aggressive or violent "vanilla".

If you think you are going to get a GF one day, and then you'll both "make love" and look eachother in the eyes while you slow stroke in missionary position, you are retarded :feelskek: (you've been watching too many romantic movies). She is going to leave your ass for the guy that chokes her, slaps her around, gags her, and uses her like a piece of meat (the guy that SIMULATES RAPE).



Personally I really don't care if there's mutual attraction, and a look of disgust while I'm fucking a woman is actually going to arouse me more. A look of desire would also be arousing, but it'll be arousing in a different way.

You see you are looking at this as a single scale that goes from -100 to 100, and sex with mutual attraction is on the positive end, while sex without mutual attraction is on the negative end.

BUT IT'S MULTIPLE SCALES.

Different kinds of sex is arousing for different reasons. A man can enjoy raping a woman just as much as he can enjoy "making love", and it's all for different reasons, because both scenarios fulfill different fantasies and stroke the male ego in different ways.

Having sex with a woman knowing that she doesn't want you, but has no choice but to submit, is enjoyable in it's own way. If you can't even conceive of that, then you aren't honest with yourself about you being a man. Take any limp wristed guy like yourself and put him on an island alone with a woman that disrespects him and cock teases him everyday, and you will rape her within a month of time. A lot of you guys convince yourself that "I could never do X" but they truth is you simply can't be honest with yourself about your true nature.
 
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The funny thing is a lot of people these days are having "rough sex" (choking, slapping, bdsm, etc) as if they are trying to "simulate" rape, and they call anything that isn't aggressive or violent "vanilla".

If you think you are going to get a GF one day, and then you'll both "make love" and look eachother in the eyes while you slow stroke in missionary position, you are retarded :feelskek: (you've been watching too many romantic movies). She is going to leave your ass for the guy that chokes her, slaps her around, gags her, and uses her like a piece of meat (the guy that SIMULATES RAPE).

Exactly, but incel men, having no contact with the other genre, are the ones who engage the most in this truly surreal fantasy of "passionate sex".

In reality, normies and Chads know that women like to be treated as whores and sexual objects, and many many many (if not most) fantasize about rape or other kinds of violent sex.

It's over for naivecels, they'll keep this insane unrealistic view of sexual relationship until the end of their lives (that is if they never have the experience of paying a whore or simply looking around, which should bring them back to reality if they can be honest with themselves).
 
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Exactly, but incel men, having no contact with the other genre, are the ones who engage the most in this truly surreal fantasy of "passionate sex".

In reality, normies and Chads know that women like to be treated as whores and sexual objects, and many many many (if not most) fantasize about rape or other kinds of violent sex.

It's over for naivecels, they'll keep this insane unrealistic view of sexual relationship until the end of their lives (that is if they never have the experience of paying a whore or simply looking around, which should bring them back to reality if they can be honest with themselves).
The most common sexual fantasy reported by women is a rape fantasy, that's a statistical fact, yet copers like that guy still exist, I'll never understand, all he has to do is go do some research.

Most women don't even orgasm from penetrative sex alone with their consensual partner (around 70% report this), yet when it comes to rape victims, around 50% claimed that they orgasmed during their rape and they were ashamed to talk about it.

You literally can just look the stats up, women didn't evolve to enjoy "consensual sex", for the majority of this species existence men were raping women, yet all of a sudden people think that "making love" is going to be women's preferred fantasy, of course it isn't.
 
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High IQ and based. when i was kid i accepted that no one will like me and that i will have to resort to escorts but i never imagined there will be other guys who will be in same situation.
 
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Cope, paying money for whores is cucked beyond redemption. Even betabuxxing is preferable since you at least get to have children.
Have fun roping at 30 or living a long and lonely life :feelshaha:
Having children isn't going to fill whatever hole it is in your life that you have. If anything it will only make it wider and more apparent.

Do you even have the personality or mindset at this point to be a "good parent".

Every parent thinks they are a "good parent" but most are really just useless, and the modern era makes it so easy to do "lazy parenting". You just send your children to school and have someone else watch and teach them all day (and also instill values, morals, beliefs, etc).

Are you even a "loving" person?, really ask yourself.

Will your children even "feel loved" based on who you are now?

I really don't think you are taking this seriously or you have even spent time thinking about this deeply.


You just want to have children "just because", and because you think it will make up for whatever you feel is missing from your life. But fulfillment in life doesn't come from others, it comes from doing the things YOU want to do FOR YOURSELF. All the other things are just "side projects" (yes, having children included).

Your children aren't your legacy, your legacy is what you leave behind for them to inherit.

Everyone knows who Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton is and their legacy is grander than what you or most men will ever achieve or be known for. These two men never had any children and based on what's known about them, they never had much of any romantic interests either. Newton was even said to have died a virgin.

There are many other things in life to occupy your mind, time, and to be passionate about, that simply reproducing. If you can't even think of one thing then you haven't spent much time being introspective at all, and I'd argue it's men like you that are going to wake up feeling trapped in your own life and feeling "lonely" and "aimless", even if you have children and a family.
 
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I didn't read. I'm sorry. But anyways, it's better to spend your money on something better. Those foids aren't really fresh and also overpriced.
 
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My escortcel-career is about to start too.
Better paying for pussy once a week/month than dying as a virgin.

Another advantage:
you can fuck hot hookers who look better than the average girlfriend.
So if you´re sub5 you can´t even expect to have a gf who is a 6 or 7 but you can fuck a hooker who is a 8.
 
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Objection 5: I know who you are and you'll get banned just as before.
Objection 6: Burn in hell all of you who give money to foids. You are the enablers of their lavish lifestyle.
 
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Objection 5: I know who you are and you'll get banned just as before.
Objection 6: Burn in hell all of you who give money to foids. You are the enablers of their lavish lifestyle.
OK schizo
 
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If Genghis Khan and other men like him throughout history didn't give a fuck about "mutual attraction" why should men like us that are inferior to them in every way possible even care?

Seems to me like your ego is too big for someone of your level, to even be limiting yourself based on absolute standards like that.
That's quite a strech to compare a chinese conqueror to the likes of us, no?
Also he jerked off to the thought of owning things, hardly he cared about sex at all other than another "conquerering" of sorts.

I always find it funny how the mindset of the modern man has been feminized yet most men think that their standards are masculine.

Rape was one of the most common things for men to engage in hundreds of years ago (not even thousands), do you think any of those guys were thinking - "Man, I'm really not enjoying this because there's no mutual "love" or attraction". Do you think any of these men were forcing themselves to rape? :feelskek: (like they didn't enjoy it but they felt like they didn't have a choice).

Let men like you tell history, and you'll say that men raped because of peer pressure, and there's no way that raping a woman or having sex with a woman that isn't showing explicit mutual attraction could be as enjoyable as the opposite.

The "mindset" of modern men is like that because we are in "modern times". You talk about the past but hardly provide context.

Why was there a lot of rape?

War. And thousands of other reasons.

You're saying that because men raped more, it must be equally or more enjoyable than sex, lol. And while there was more rape, the number is not high enough to talk about the posibility of it being more pleasurable than sex.

The funny thing is a lot of people these days are having "rough sex" (choking, slapping, bdsm, etc) as if they are trying to "simulate" rape, and they call anything that isn't aggressive or violent "vanilla".

If you think you are going to get a GF one day, and then you'll both "make love" and look eachother in the eyes while you slow stroke in missionary position, you are retarded :feelskek: (you've been watching too many romantic movies). She is going to leave your ass for the guy that chokes her, slaps her around, gags her, and uses her like a piece of meat (the guy that SIMULATES RAPE).
Dude, you made that comparison yourself. I just talked about mutual attraction. Kinks or whatever, are not really relevant.

Girls like the "idea" of rape, done, by, chad. And even if chad did missionary they'll like that more than an ugly incel raping them.
They like everything that comes of chad, dark triad, being kind, who gives a shit. There's a thousand of posts here, and dark triad dosn't really pay off. Unless you're attractive that is.

Personally I really don't care if there's mutual attraction, and a look of disgust while I'm fucking a woman is actually going to arouse me more. A look of desire would also be arousing, but it'll be arousing in a different way.
You don't say.
You see you are looking at this as a single scale that goes from -100 to 100, and sex with mutual attraction is on the positive end, while sex without mutual attraction is on the negative end.

BUT IT'S MULTIPLE SCALES.
Yes? I mean it's not like its -100, but i don't have a lot of money and the idea of paying some whore to give me "meh" sex is just not that interesting. I'm gonna go to whores eventually, because i don't have another choice.
But saying that this is good, is just being delusional. Say it's good if you had a choice and ended up choosing this, you can't go around saying this is better if you didn't have a choice. You have no margin of comparison at all.

Having sex with a woman knowing that she doesn't want you, but has no choice but to submit, is enjoyable in it's own way. If you can't even conceive of that, then you aren't honest with yourself about you being a man. Take any limp wristed guy like yourself and put him on an island alone with a woman that disrespects him and cock teases him everyday, and you will rape her within a month of time. A lot of you guys convince yourself that "I could never do X" but they truth is you simply can't be honest with yourself about your true nature.
But the truth is that you don't "own" a whore like Ghengis Khan did with his concubines, you're just another client. She can either like you and give you a good service, she can't decline offering you services.

You already made your mind about the person that i'm and what i feel like and the posible responses i would make. Lol. Chill. You can assume a lot about me as i can assume a lot about you, truth is i want to work my way thru this shit called inceldom. And i know for a fact i'm lucky that i don't give that much of a fuck about having a girlfriend, i would like to be able to "enjoy" fucking a whore. Tho i doubt i will.
I would do what you said, i'm not dishonest with myself. I know i'm capable of doing things i'm not really proud of, not by moral standars but my opinion of myself.

Thing is. If you need to rape a girl by force, to get some sort of "boost" to your ego. You already failed. You either liked conquering and possesing things from the start, thus you'll have no qualms about doing that shit. Or you're coping yourself to the nether realms.
 
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The point that is still not being addressed is the humiliating aspect of it and the how it essentially validates female oppression. That's the most important difference between prostitution and rape or arranged marriage. I would rape a woman in a hentai video game, and I would be much less opposed to instituting arranged marriages, but prostitution is not in the same category.

As other incels have said, being forced into paying a woman a shitload of money for what a normie can get for free is not just a display of your status as a subhuman and third-class citizen in this cucked society, but a full surrender to women's ostracism and treatment of you as such while rewarding them for doing so by providing for their needs in exchange for the sex they'd otherwise deny to you.

Is being a beta provider in a cucked marriage similar? Yes. But that is why we're blackpillers for fuck's sake, none of us would ideally want to be in that situation either nor dream of marrying some desperate gold-digger in her 40's. I wouldn't want any marriage or relationship with any woman at all because they're absolute scum who spent their entire life trying to hurt us.

Now this might be the difference between you guys and the anti-escortcels: You will sacrifice your pride, sense of justice, and values for the sake of getting that dopamine rush from sticking your penis into the vagina. So you would let a woman treat you like a subhuman without opposition on your part and give her money for doing so, acting the part of the leper who needs to shower his superiors with gold to get the privilege of being touched by them. You would probably marry a washed-up slut who will fuck Tyrone while you're off at work, as long as he gave you pity sex at the end of the day, right? Because you just care about the sex, and you said yourself that you aren't going to concern yourself with women's sexual immorality.

For me, personally, what you might not understand is that my brain itself works differently. Even if I had sex with a hooker in the manner you are instructing, it would not be enjoyable to me ,it would be painful and rage-inducing. Why would I pay for something I won't enjoy to begin with?

Your counter is to say all women are fundamentally whores anyway - you're right. Every incel is already aware of it. That's why, at least the intelligent ones among us, hate women. And as ugly men, we'll never be having sex with women who aren't hookers either, so we can continue tolerating neither un-professional whores nor the professional ones.
 
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The point that is still not being addressed is the humiliating aspect of it and the how it essentially validates female oppression. That's the most important difference between prostitution and rape or arranged marriage. I would rape a woman in a hentai video game, and I would be much less opposed to instituting arranged marriages, but prostitution is not in the same category.
There is no point to be addressed, you are arguing against a strawman (something I will point out below), you are basing your world view on memes rather than statistics and observable reality.

As other incels have said, being forced into paying a woman a shitload of money
What shitload of money?

The country you live in isn't the only country on the planet (if you are in America prices differ by state too). Nobody said to just stay where you live and pay for sex. For example I would never fuck a prostitute in New York because I know I'd never get my money's worth. Take that same money and go to Brazil and you could buy that woman for probably two weeks of fucking.

You could probably afford a live in maid/fuck buddy if you are making US income remotely and living in Brazil.

The first problem with the mindset you guys have is that you are only looking at things within the small lens of where you were born (in the West) and you act like all other countries and their exchange rates don't exist.

I paid around $50 to lose my virginity with 5.5/10. FIFTY BUCKS lol. So it all depends on what state you live in within America or what country you move to which will make things even cheaper.

So this is the first strawman / lie you guys peddle around - "It's so expensive, it's a waste of money".

Nah, you retards probably spend more buying video games and consoles. You could probably lose your virginity to a 7/10 for like $100, seems like a good price for a one off experience.


for what a normie can get for free
Now here's the second strawman / lie that you guys use - "You are paying for what normies get for free".

Retard, when has sex ever been free?

Last time I checked "dating" is usually very one sided with the man paying for the food, drinks, transportation, entertainment, etc IN HOPES OF GETTING SEX.

HE'S STILL PAYING FOR SEX, IT'S JUST INDIRECT.

That's BEFORE the relationship begins, after it begins the man has to spend more and more on gifts, helping the woman pay her bills, buying her feminine hygiene products, etc, etc, etc.

SEX IS NEVER FREE, THE AVERAGE MAN IS ALWAYS PAYING.

Oh and contrary to your memes, CHAD IS PAYING TOO, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE GETS INTO A RELATIONSHIP.

I've worked as a cashier, and every Chad (there were like 3) that came up to the register had that same look on his face when his girl started adding to the bill makeup, hair care products, etc, while he's just holding out his card with this pained look :feelskek:.


EVERY MAN HAS TO PAY THE TOLL, STOP DELUDING YOURSELF.

I have a thread for you to read, because there's no point in me rehashing arguments I've already made:

There's no such thing as free sex for normie males, and one night stands are the exception to the rule and it's usually only Chad getting it (and Chad is the exception to the rule too). Basing your world view and choices around exceptions is female tier thinking, it's illogical.

Oh and last time I checked women date and marry up socioeconomic hierarchies. If a woman is college educated she is still 98% more likely to marry a man with higher income than her. So even women who end up being high earners themselves want a man who earns more than them. Women always pursue resources and look for men to fund their lifestyle, regardless of how successful they are themselves.

Based on polling women prefer to date and marry men that make around 58% more than they do.

It's literally in women's nature to prostitute themselves for resources, and seek out men with more resources than they have, it's crazy that you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking that any man is really getting sex for "free", you must have a pretty loose definition of "free".

MEN ARE ALWAYS PAYING.

ALWAYS HAVE BEEN (SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME)
ALWAYS WILL BE (FOR THE ENTIRETY OF OUR EXISTENCE)


is not just a display of your status as a subhuman and third-class citizen in this cucked society, but a full surrender to women's ostracism and treatment of you as such while rewarding them for doing so by providing for their needs in exchange for the sex they'd otherwise deny to you.
Here's strawman / lie number three - "paying for sex is an incel thing"

Wrong, most men that frequent prostitutes are normies, it's really clear that a lot of you guys don't even try to socialize and talk to normies, because you'd realize that a lot of the shit you believe doesn't make sense, and doesn't reflect reality.

I lost my virginity because a normie took me to a brothel he frequented, and at one place I worked, pretty much every guy there had paid for sex at least once (oh, and they all had or currently have girlfriends):

So no, paying prostitutes for sex isn't this niche thing that only incel tier men do, the sex market wouldn't even survive if such a small amount of men were their only clientele. It's by majority normie males, men with girlfriends and A LOT of men with WIVES too lol.

Stop living in meme world and step out into reality.

I wouldn't want any marriage or relationship with any woman at all because they're absolute scum who spent their entire life trying to hurt us.
Fucking a whore isn't a marriage or a relationship.

If you found out that the owner of your favorite restaurant (you love the food) didn't like you, would you stop going and miss out on the food you love because some random person who has nothing to do with your life doesn't like you?

It just sounds childish to me, it doesn't make sense.

I don't care what any woman thinks or feels so long as I can get what I want from her. I think that is the very essence of the black pill. Accepting reality, being stoic, exploting any loopholes available to you, and choosing from the options that are within your reach.

Now this might be the difference between you guys and the anti-escortcels: You will sacrifice your pride, sense of justice, and values for the sake of getting that dopamine rush from sticking your penis into the vagina. So you would let a woman treat you like a subhuman without opposition on your part and give her money for doing so, acting the part of the leper who needs to shower his superiors with gold to get the privilege of being touched by them.
Justice?

What are you even talking about, you are speaking as if these random women have attacked you and cause you harm in some way, justice doesn't apply here. I don't know what you are on about right now lol.

As for the "let a woman treat you like a subhuman" you'll have to be more specific, I don't know what treatment you are talking about.

But for my first time the whore took off my clothes for me, calmed me down, even got on top and rode me (to the detriment of my pelvis lol, she was a thick bitch).

I didn't get the "muh starfish" sex meme you retards like to peddle around. I was treated very well. There was a slight look of disgust on her face when I ejaculated on her tits, but that was just arousing to me.

Which brings us to strawman / lie number four - "prostitutes give you crappy treatment and the sex isn't any good".

I find it funny that so called black pilled incels don't get off on the idea of making women who don't want to fuck you, fuck you.

Isn't that literally just the ULTIMATE INCEL REVENGE (to see that look on their face)?

Like seriously are you even thinking this through?

How is keeping yourself sex starved to your benefit?

It's really just to the benefit of women at large who would prefer that you "know your place" and die a virgin.

You would probably marry a washed-up slut who will fuck Tyrone while you're off at work, as long as he gave you pity sex at the end of the day, right? Because you just care about the sex, and you said yourself that you aren't going to concern yourself with women's sexual immorality.
Are you retarded, marriage costs money. if I just care about sex, why would I get married?

You really didn't think this through did you? lol

The entire point of prostitution is that you can buy the milk instead of buying the cow.

For me, personally, what you might not understand is that my brain itself works differently. Even if I had sex with a hooker in the manner you are instructing, it would not be enjoyable to me ,it would be painful and rage-inducing. Why would I pay for something I won't enjoy to begin with?
Ok, too bad for you, enjoy dying a virgin because you refuse to grow up and accept reality. This just sounds like a "you problem" to me.

Adapt or lose at life, it's really simple.

Just be REALLY sure about your choice, because at some point you'll be too old to be able to make any changes if you one day change your mind, and then you'll really be stuck with your decision, so you better be sure.

That's why, at least the intelligent ones among us, hate women.
I do hate women, I just like myself more than I hate women. The problem with you retards is that you will cut off your nose to spite your face (if you've heard this saying before you know what I mean, if not google it).

Simply put, you are depriving yourself of sexual satisfaction in your attempt to "spite women" (the group you hate), but you are ironically only inconveniencing yourself.

A "boycott" only works if you have a majority, and most of prostitutes customers are normie males, so even if ALL OF US stopped paying for sex, it wouldn't make a dent in the sex market.

So you are really just starving yourself sexually for no other reason than to stroke your ego and feel pride.

I'm sorry, but a woman stroking my dick is better than stroking my ego, it's not even a choice for me.

And as ugly men, we'll never be having sex with women who aren't hookers either, so we can continue tolerating neither un-professional whores nor the professional ones.
No, that's a personal choice. You guys just sound like masochists to me, I'm pretty sure a lot of you "get off" on depriving yourself this way, it just isn't normal and it doesn't make any logical sense at all.
 
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There is no point to be addressed, you are arguing against a strawman (something I will point out below), you are basing your world view on memes rather than statistics and observable reality.


What shitload of money?

The country you live in isn't the only country on the planet (if you are in America prices differ by state too). Nobody said to just stay where you live and pay for sex. For example I would never fuck a prostitute in New York because I know I'd never get my money's worth. Take that same money and go to Brazil and you could buy that woman for probably two weeks of fucking.

You could probably afford a live in maid/fuck buddy if you are making US income remotely and living in Brazil.

The first problem with the mindset you guys have is that you are only looking at things within the small lens of where you were born (in the West) and you act like all other countries and their exchange rates don't exist.

I paid around $50 to lose my virginity with 5.5/10. FIFTY BUCKS lol. So it all depends on what state you live in within America or what country you move to which will make things even cheaper.

So this is the first strawman / lie you guys peddle around - "It's so expensive, it's a waste of money".

Nah, you retards probably spend more buying video games and consoles. You could probably lose your virginity to a 7/10 for like $100, seems like a good price for a one off experience.



Now here's the second strawman / lie that you guys use - "You are paying for what normies get for free".

Retard, when has sex ever been free?

Last time I checked "dating" is usually very one sided with the man paying for the food, drinks, transportation, entertainment, etc IN HOPES OF GETTING SEX.

HE'S STILL PAYING FOR SEX, IT'S JUST INDIRECT.

That's BEFORE the relationship begins, after it begins the man has to spend more and more on gifts, helping the woman pay her bills, buying her feminine hygiene products, etc, etc, etc.

SEX IS NEVER FREE, THE AVERAGE MAN IS ALWAYS PAYING.

Oh and contrary to your memes, CHAD IS PAYING TOO, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE GETS INTO A RELATIONSHIP.

I've worked as a cashier, and every Chad (there were like 3) that came up to the register had that same look on his face when his girl started adding to the bill makeup, hair care products, etc, while he's just holding out his card with this pained look :feelskek:.


EVERY MAN HAS TO PAY THE TOLL, STOP DELUDING YOURSELF.

I have a thread for you to read, because there's no point in me rehashing arguments I've already made:

There's no such thing as free sex for normie males, and one night stands are the exception to the rule and it's usually only Chad getting it (and Chad is the exception to the rule too). Basing your world view and choices around exceptions is female tier thinking, it's illogical.

Oh and last time I checked women date and marry up socioeconomic hierarchies. If a woman is college educated she is still 98% more likely to marry a man with higher income than her. So even women who end up being high earners themselves want a man who earns more than them. Women always pursue resources and look for men to fund their lifestyle, regardless of how successful they are themselves.

Based on polling women prefer to date and marry men that make around 58% more than they do.

It's literally in women's nature to prostitute themselves for resources, and seek out men with more resources than they have, it's crazy that you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking that any man is really getting sex for "free", you must have a pretty loose definition of "free".

MEN ARE ALWAYS PAYING.

ALWAYS HAVE BEEN (SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME)
ALWAYS WILL BE (FOR THE ENTIRETY OF OUR EXISTENCE)



Here's strawman / lie number three - "paying for sex is an incel thing"

Wrong, most men that frequent prostitutes are normies, it's really clear that a lot of you guys don't even try to socialize and talk to normies, because you'd realize that a lot of the shit you believe doesn't make sense, and doesn't reflect reality.

I lost my virginity because a normie took me to a brothel he frequented, and at one place I worked, pretty much every guy there had paid for sex at least once (oh, and they all had or currently have girlfriends):

So no, paying prostitutes for sex isn't this niche thing that only incel tier men do, the sex market wouldn't even survive if such a small amount of men were their only clientele. It's by majority normie males, men with girlfriends and A LOT of men with WIVES too lol.

Stop living in meme world and step out into reality.


Fucking a whore isn't a marriage or a relationship.

If you found out that the owner of your favorite restaurant (you love the food) didn't like you, would you stop going and miss out on the food you love because some random person who has nothing to do with your life doesn't like you?

It just sounds childish to me, it doesn't make sense.

I don't care what any woman thinks or feels so long as I can get what I want from her. I think that is the very essence of the black pill. Accepting reality, being stoic, exploting any loopholes available to you, and choosing from the options that are within your reach.


Justice?

What are you even talking about, you are speaking as if these random women have attacked you and cause you harm in some way, justice doesn't apply here. I don't know what you are on about right now lol.

As for the "let a woman treat you like a subhuman" you'll have to be more specific, I don't know what treatment you are talking about.

But for my first time the whore took off my clothes for me, calmed me down, even got on top and rode me (to the detriment of my pelvis lol, she was a thick bitch).

I didn't get the "muh starfish" sex meme you retards like to peddle around. I was treated very well. There was a slight look of disgust on her face when I ejaculated on her tits, but that was just arousing to me.

Which brings us to strawman / lie number four - "prostitutes give you crappy treatment and the sex isn't any good".

I find it funny that so called black pilled incels don't get off on the idea of making women who don't want to fuck you, fuck you.

Isn't that literally just the ULTIMATE INCEL REVENGE (to see that look on their face)?

Like seriously are you even thinking this through?

How is keeping yourself sex starved to your benefit?

It's really just to the benefit of women at large who would prefer that you "know your place" and die a virgin.


Are you retarded, marriage costs money. if I just care about sex, why would I get married?

You really didn't think this through did you? lol

The entire point of prostitution is that you can buy the milk instead of buying the cow.


Ok, too bad for you, enjoy dying a virgin because you refuse to grow up and accept reality. This just sounds like a "you problem" to me.

Adapt or lose at life, it's really simple.

Just be REALLY sure about your choice, because at some point you'll be too old to be able to make any changes if you one day change your mind, and then you'll really be stuck with your decision, so you better be sure.


I do hate women, I just like myself more than I hate women. The problem with you retards is that you will cut off your nose to spite your face (if you've heard this saying before you know what I mean, if not google it).

Simply put, you are depriving yourself of sexual satisfaction in your attempt to "spite women" (the group you hate), but you are ironically only inconveniencing yourself.

A "boycott" only works if you have a majority, and most of prostitutes customers are normie males, so even if ALL OF US stopped paying for sex, it wouldn't make a dent in the sex market.

So you are really just starving yourself sexually for no other reason than to stroke your ego and feel pride.

I'm sorry, but a woman stroking my dick is better than stroking my ego, it's not even a choice for me.


No, that's a personal choice. You guys just sound like masochists to me, I'm pretty sure a lot of you "get off" on depriving yourself this way, it just isn't normal and it doesn't make any logical sense at all.

Misinterpretation, projection, and overall irreconcilable personal values which is at least something we can both agree on.

"First Strawman"

You realize that in order to make a sex tourism pilgrimage to another country, you would also need to pay for, at the very least, the flight tickets, right? And if you don't intend to try sprinting toward that hooker appointment and making it back the same day like a madman and would rather relax a bit on that 'special occasion', then it's also the cost of a place to stay. There are also potentially some incels who, be it due to their current circumstances, wageslavery, disabilities, etc, might not be able to make the trip with such ease at least not with any great frequency.

Secondly, and more importantly than the above, when I say 'a shitload of money', which by the way can be entirely subjects depending on how much you earn ( Some incels live off NEETbux or their family's money and have to account for every dime spent, by the way ), I mean that it is relatively a shitload of money to spend on what most normies get, yes, for free, for a service whose labor value is hardly equivalent to the amount of labor you spent on getting that money.

50$? 100$-200$ a day is what some middle-class STEM jobs like engineer can earn you a day, at least in my parts ( not the USA ). So you're paying a woman the equivalent of 6 hours worth of hard work and countless years of academic qualifications in order to open her legs. That is what I call a shitload of money for the product being peddled. By the way, I pirate all of my video games.

"Second Strawman"

Pure projection. Here you are, accusing all of us of coping, of being delusional, not living in reality, and so forth while you yourself are coping about the social position and opportunities of normie males. Do you even realize how self-contradictory what you just said is, even before fact-checking it? "All normies pay for sex! Even chads pay for sex! They probably have to pay more than brothel clients do!".

Really, is that so? In that case, why do all of us need to frequent prostitutes instead of 'paying for women' the normie way? I'll just go to the club and buy women drinks or ask women out on dinner dates that I pay for, and then I'll get laid, because I'm paying. Normies get the sex they do because they're paying for it, isn't that right?

Now, listen, I don't know exactly where it is that you live, maybe in Brazil as you keep yammering on about, or some other second-world area where the clock is dialed back 50 years and courting still favors financial stability or something, but when it comes to the West, none of what you said is as common or true as you suggest and you have absolutely no data to back up any of it.

The vast majority of men don't hire prostitutes. An even higher percentage than that has only seen maybe one prostitute in a lifetime. An even higher percentage certainly doesn't rely on prostitutes exclusively for their sexual needs. That is a statistical fact. I'm fully aware that incels are marginal demographic for prostitution, the biggest share of the clientele tends to be 1. Old men well past their prime that either can't date anymore or who want to cheat on their fat wife and 2. Hoodlum gangbangers, almost always niggers or latinos. If you think that these demographics comprise anything more than a single-digit percentage of men in general, I have a bridge to sell you.

Chad isn't the only guy having sex outside the boundaries of marriage or long-term relationships either. Any sexual activity survery or brief look at any given normie's posting history will swiftly show you that. The majority of young, western normie males in 2022 have like 10-20 partners ( And those are national surveys that include bible thumpers by the way, when it comes to secular college kids, it's probably more like 50 these days ), some of whom are hookups and FWB's ( which you neglect to even mention, even though FWB is one of the most common modern arrangements for sex rather than hookup or marriage or relationship ).

Normies weren't paying fucking shit for sex and intimacy in school when their GF's were sitting on their laps in dance parties or when Becky gave someone a BJ in the bathroom stalls and fucked them in her room while her parents were away. Normies don't pay more than women do at the club when they start flirting and end up back in their apartment - also, a drink costs much less than 50 bucks and you know fuck all about clubs if you think that it's 100% mandatory in 2022 to buy women drinks in order for a normie to flirt with them. Maybe in 1980 or in Brazil, but in most of Europe and the US, the women are already having their own drinks when a group of guys goes to talk to them, or some guy just dances up to her and if she likes his appearance then she'll start grinding on him.

The guys who have to pay for drinks don't get any sex at all, they get used for drinks and then rejected because they showed how pathetic and beta they are by trying to buy her attention with drinks. Go to fucking TwoXChromosomes or FDS and see how man women laugh about guys who try to buy their attraction with gifts or money.

Millions of dates occur where the normie and the woman will split the bill. Hundreds of millions of dates don't even take place in places where there's even a bill to split ( Again, this isn't 1950 and we're not 50 years old ), tons of normies aged 18-25 'date' just by hanging out somewhere - either in their homes, the streets, in a house party some local attraction, just buying some doner and icecream for food, etc. Feel free to scream that I'm wrong and normie males must dish out stacks of dollars every time they want intimacy, apparently when underage too I guess. I'll be sitting tight waiting for your evidence.

I should say, if you were willing to consider a more nuanced viewpoint, you would realize that even though your direct comparison between the normie sexual market to escortcelling is exaggerated and cherrypicked, it is still indeed analogical to a transactional market, just not with the currency you ascribe to it. Normies to a lesser extent, and Chads to a much higher extent, pay for sex not with money but with an exchange of services - both inherent value and a bit of labor value. They need to have sufficient inherent value stemming from their genetics in order for a woman to consider their offer and whether or not she can derive pleasure from it, and depending on how much inherent value they have, they then need to make up for it by working to entertain her - AKA flirting and peacocking, which requires work to constantly maintain their social status and putting down male competitors in order to have social value to impress the woman with, as well as actively exciting her childish brain on the spot with feats of humor, dominance and 'fun'.

That is how they earn their keep, not with cash. Anyway, having already written up too much in challenging your two main 'strawmen', I'll reserve the explanation concerning the more philosophical and moral aspects of it for later, once you have responded to these.
 
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@Liptusg Entitled unreasonably proud poorfag.
 
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@Liptusg Entitled unreasonably proud poorfag.
>Entitled

More confirmation of what we already knew about escort shills, now they're repeating the same buzzwords as the dumbest bitch on Reddit does too

>Unreasonably proud

You are unreasonably cucked.

>poorfag

Nope. I spend like 150$ on gourmet meals/takeaway several times a week, I just wouldn't spend it on feeding one of my worst enemies and most hypocritical, sadistic creatures on planet earth for the privilege of having them relent from mistreating and despising me for 2 hours so I can get something as trivial as drinking water for them. It wouldn't be enjoyable or fulfilling in any way.

Like I said, reasonably prideless cucks like you would probably be happy to do Becky's homework for a whole week if she promised to give you a kiss in return, or maybe you can try advertising yourself on some fetish site as a slave who is willing to watch Chad fucking a woman from a cage in exchange for licking up his cum from her vagina. You can never be too proud when pussy is on the line, right?
 
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>Entitled

More confirmation of what we already knew about escort shills, now they're repeating the same buzzwords as the dumbest bitch on Reddit does too

>Unreasonably proud

You are unreasonably cucked.

>poorfag

Nope. I spend like 150$ on gourmet meals/takeaway several times a week, I just wouldn't spend it on feeding one of my worst enemies and most hypocritical, sadistic creatures on planet earth for the privilege of having them relent from mistreating and despising me for 2 hours so I can get something as trivial as drinking water for them. It wouldn't be enjoyable or fulfilling in any way.

Like I said, reasonably prideless cucks like you would probably be happy to do Becky's homework for a whole week if she promised to give you a kiss in return, or maybe you can try advertising yourself on some fetish site as a slave who is willing to watch Chad fucking a woman from a cage in exchange for licking up his cum from her vagina. You can never be too proud when pussy is on the line, right?
Dear Xir/Madam

You don't know me dickless faggot. Yes you're entitled, you think you're some special demigod who should have girls pining on him because he has XY chromosomes yet you can't adapt to the meta and keep crying like some fucking abused dog.

Pride is a sin in every religion punk ass bitch, ever thought of that? No because you are some fucking no life basement dweller who didn't go to church because he had it all figured out at 12.

Glad to know you have money. Now I know you're an irrational agent throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticks. Nice projection in the last paragraph, only a mayo bitch tits potbellied abomination would conjure sights befitting the lowest circle of hell.

Fuck you.

Looking forward to hearing from you in the Snapchat of a low tier Becky,
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I just wouldn't spend it on feeding one of my worst enemies and most hypocritical, sadistic creatures on planet earth for the privilege of having them relent from mistreating and despising me for 2 hours so I can get something as trivial as drinking water for them. It wouldn't be enjoyable or fulfilling in any way.
Enemies?

You must be 30 or something, sounds like your libido is dead or you never had normal levels of sex drive to begin with. A starving person wouldn't care if the person they are buying food from "likes them" or not.

The fact that you are so concerned about what these women think of you over what you want to get from them, leads me to believe that you have a below average sex drive, what you're saying just doesn't make sense.

I don't care enough about women to even care what they think of me. Just like I don't care about chickens, or cows, etc, I just enjoy eating meat. How convenient it is that I can just go to a store and buy meat to cook myself, rather than hunting/catching, then killing, cleaning, etc.

Women aren't our enemies, they're our food. Look back in history and you'll see that unless you were a rapist, you were always paying a toll as a man to gain access to sex. Whether it's paying the bride price to a woman's family, buying a slave to make your wife/concubine, etc.

It's always cost resources and it always will cost resources. You are just being childish and refusing to accept reality.

Listen, in the past I'd spend even more time arguing with you, but it's pointless, I have too much shit I have to work on right now, and you are already rich and wasting your life way. How ironic would it be for me to waste my time trying to convince a man who already has the means to enjoy life but refuses to do so.

If you want to keep yourself sex starved for the sake of your ego (which ironically shouldn't be this big), then go right ahead.

But at the end of the day most men are paying women for sex, whether it's directly or indirectly. You can't change this reality, you either adapt or you fail to get the things you want in life, it's that simple.

If you don't want sex, then that's you, but don't project your low libido onto the rest of us.
 
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Dear Xir/Madam

You don't know me dickless faggot. Yes you're entitled, you think you're some special demigod who should have girls pining on him because he has XY chromosomes yet you can't adapt to the meta and keep crying like some fucking abused dog.

Pride is a sin in every religion punk ass bitch, ever thought of that? No because you are some fucking no life basement dweller who didn't go to church because he had it all figured out at 12.

Glad to know you have money. Now I know you're an irrational agent throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticks. Nice projection in the last paragraph, only a mayo bitch tits potbellied abomination would conjure sights befitting the lowest circle of hell.

Fuck you.

Looking forward to hearing from you in the Snapchat of a low tier Becky,
tulasdanslos

You could open a movie theatre with the amount of projection in this post. You're misusing that buzzword 'entitled', which was literally revived by feminist roasties on Reddit as a cudgel against any non-bluepilled man, and just like them you have no idea what the actual dictionary definition is, which is why it is just as out of context as it is when women insert it into every single one of their sentences. But I'm the 'Madame'.

You know what else is a sin in every religion? Aiding and abetting whores, not to mention whoring. As the famous saying goes, it's "Go and sin no more", not "Go and sin, you whore", my friend.

Now you're signing your name like some smug numale from Inceltears as well? Are you one of those infiltrators that IT keeps bragging about?

Enemies?

You must be 30 or something, sounds like your libido is dead or you never had normal levels of sex drive to begin with. A starving person wouldn't care if the person they are buying food from "likes them" or not.

The fact that you are so concerned about what these women think of you over what you want to get from them, leads me to believe that you have a below average sex drive, what you're saying just doesn't make sense.

I don't care enough about women to even care what they think of me. Just like I don't care about chickens, or cows, etc, I just enjoy eating meat. How convenient it is that I can just go to a store and buy meat to cook myself, rather than hunting/catching, then killing, cleaning, etc.

Women aren't our enemies, they're our food. Look back in history and you'll see that unless you were a rapist, you were always paying a toll as a man to gain access to sex. Whether it's paying the bride price to a woman's family, buying a slave to make your wife/concubine, etc.

It's always cost resources and it always will cost resources. You are just being childish and refusing to accept reality.

Listen, in the past I'd spend even more time arguing with you, but it's pointless, I have too much shit I have to work on right now, and you are already rich and wasting your life way. How ironic would it be for me to waste my time trying to convince a man who already has the means to enjoy life but refuses to do so.

If you want to keep yourself sex starved for the sake of your ego (which ironically shouldn't be this big), then go right ahead.

But at the end of the day most men are paying women for sex, whether it's directly or indirectly. You can't change this reality, you either adapt or you fail to get the things you want in life, it's that simple.

If you don't want sex, then that's you, but don't project your low libido onto the rest of us.

My libido is dead, it was killed by women. I'm 28, but I was of the exact same opinion when I was 18 too. Now it pains me to say it, but low as my libido might be, I think I must have more of a warrior's mentality in my DNA than you do after hearing your example. A starving person wouldn't care about the person they are buying food from. Interesting.

Did you know, in pre-modern times when slavery and serfdom still existed, or when individuals and communities were threatened by shakedowns, thugs, exploiters, etc, just how many examples of doomed violent rebellions or acts of defiance there were? Understand, almost every single slave rebellion in Rome or Assyria for that matter ended with 99.9% of the rebels dead and the Imperial authorities victorious. Men walked toward their death knowingly, knowing they won't be getting any more food, more scraps, no chance of promotion, only a spear inside their stomach. Why? Why not just let the others do it and keep trudging on instead? Pride.

Too extreme for you? How about any killing in human history then? How about men who maybe even had a house, wife, family, farm, etc, but decided they've had enough of some noble exploiting them and went ahead and jabbed him in the neck, knowing they're going to be beheaded in the town square the next day? What resources and sex did they get out of that act? What about people who shoot or assault their abusive boss? or their cheating wife? Or the school shooters? What do they get out of going to jail for life? I believe you are familiar with the word.

The real question is whether you have no pride at all, which I doubt is the angle you'll be going for, or whether you just happen to have a lower threshold of pride than mine. Women are your food and you don't care what they think about you or what they do to you, that is quite the confident premise to be defending. Tell me, if I was a woman, and I spit on your face, called you a worthless loser, and told you that I'm later going to tell all of my girlfriend about how pathetic you are, maybe even show them pictures of you so they can spread it around, and then I offered you sex for 50$, that would be perfectly fine? What if I broke your nose and your phone with a baseball bat after screaming that you are a creep trying to harass and touch me against my will? Would you still be coming for sex services when I get out of prison even if you proved your innocence in court? Pretty sure you'll still be eating fish even if you stabbed your gum with a bone once.
 
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I think I must have more of a warrior's mentality in my DNA than you do after hearing your example.
Now this is peak coping, talk about mental gymnastics.

*Refuses to have sex with women just on the mere thought that they don't like him* - "I guess I must be a warrior :feelzez:"

No, warriors in the past were raping, pillaging and visiting brothels, they didn't give a fuck about "mutual attraction" or any of this "modern masculinity" standards that men like you limit yourself by.

There's only one kind of warrior that you sound like right now:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-nYHfPBRc
 
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Now this is peak coping, talk about mental gymnastics.

*Refuses to have sex with women just on the mere thought that they don't like him* - "I guess I must be a warrior :feelzez:"

No, warriors in the past were raping, pillaging and visiting brothels, they didn't give a fuck about "mutual attraction" or any of this "modern masculinity" standards that men like you limit yourself by.

There's only one kind of warrior that you sound like right now:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-nYHfPBRc


Showering whores with money is not raping and pillaging, buddy. The latter is a net gain, the former is not. And 'men of the past' only visited brothels because casual sex was fucking illegal and women were all supposed to be married. Now that brothels are no longer the only legal avenue for casual sex, MOST men do not visit them.

And you are currently coping by refusing to answer the question I posed to you. Would you pay a woman for sex if she insulted you, spit on your face, gossiped about you, and assaulted you? Since you don't care what women do or think, you should say yes.
 
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Oh, and one more thing, I almost fucking forgot - If you already figured out the solution to inceldom which is apparently paying money to hookers while women continue treating us like subhumans and striving to hurt us in every environment possible ( Online, school, workplace, etc ), what the fuck are you still doing on Incels.is?

You're not an incel anymore, you transcended with the magic of hookers. Go enjoy your newfound sex life and request a ban from the forum because last I checked, only incels ( cel is short for celibate in case you have a hard time figuring that one out ) are allowed on the forum, not Blackpilled sex-havers. In fact, you should advocate for the whole forum to be dissolved because we're all just idiots who haven't realized that instead of throwing shit against the walls or cutting off our nose to spite our face, we could just be fucking hookers.

I'll be waiting for you to follow the logical conclusion of your own arguments and delete your accounts.
 
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Oh, and one more thing, I almost fucking forgot - If you already figured out the solution to inceldom which is apparently paying money to hookers while women continue treating us like subhumans and striving to hurt us in every environment possible ( Online, school, workplace, etc ), what the fuck are you still doing on Incels.is?

You're not an incel anymore, you transcended with the magic of hookers. Go enjoy your newfound sex life and request a ban from the forum because last I checked, only incels ( cel is short for celibate in case you have a hard time figuring that one out ) are allowed on the forum, not Blackpilled sex-havers. In fact, you should advocate for the whole forum to be dissolved because we're all just idiots who haven't realized that instead of throwing shit against the walls or cutting off our nose to spite our face, we could just be fucking hookers.

I'll be waiting for you to follow the logical conclusion of your own arguments and delete your accounts.
I've already said multiple times on this forum that once I get my finances in order I'm deleting my account and leaving the forum for good, until then there are still some users who are useful, knowledgeable, and have advised me on things I could try to wealthmaxx.

It's you that is on this forum for "the wrong reason", I'm here to get useful information from incels that are wealthmaxxed or currently in the process of it, I'm not just here to complain all day about being sexless, or complain about women, while ironically refusing to pursue any alternative to get sex.

You're just another @FrothySolutions and that guy is peak delusion, like full on retarded, and that is your future. To be an old man in your 50's desperately asking people online about how you can quickly get some memorable sex experiences, as you drift closer to your deathbed and the fear of dying in regret unsatisfied begins to take over your entire life. That's all that awaits men like you.
 
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I avoided escorts because I didn't want to catch herpes or other nasty STDs.

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that since I won't ever have a normal sex life, I might as well go to a prostitute and catch some bugs for a change.
 
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I've already said multiple times on this forum that once I get my finances in order I'm deleting my account and leaving the forum for good, until then there are still some users who are useful, knowledgeable, and have advised me on things I could try to wealthmaxx.

It's you that is on this forum for "the wrong reason", I'm here to get useful information from incels that are wealthmaxxed or currently in the process of it, I'm not just here to complain all day about being sexless, or complain about women, while ironically refusing to pursue any alternative to get sex.

You're just another @FrothySolutions and that guy is peak delusion, like full on retarded, and that is your future. To be an old man in your 50's desperately asking people online about how you can quickly get some memorable sex experiences, as you drift closer to your deathbed and the fear of dying in regret unsatisfied begins to take over your entire life. That's all that awaits men like you.

I'm on an incel forum for the wrong reason, with the correct reason being learning how to make more money. Makes perfect sense. Don't forget about sharing cooking recipes, fitness routines, and travel advice for red light districts. That's why a curated entry forum for incels behind a dot.is domain needs to exist. You already admitted that you intend to delete your account, so you've recognized that you don't really have a continued reason to be here regardless.

Desperately asking people online how I can get memorable sex experiences? You truly don't understand the mindset, do you? Didn't happen at age 18, didn't happen at 25, isn't happening now, never will. You think I will die in regret for not having shown up, defeated, to a brothel and handing some bitch 50 dollars to undress and open her legs? That's what will make everything right with the world? I do not have the mentality and philosophical depth of an insect.

Even if I transcended into a Chad, even if I fucked every single woman on the planet and willingly so, that still won't even come close to fulfilling my true ideals. And if I had to do something with a woman, fucking her would be at the bottom of my list. There are far more exquisite and emotionally satisfying acts one can perform before becoming an old man, I can tell you that much.
 

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