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Serious EVERY Guy I Know In Real Life That Pays For Sex Is A Normie With A Girlfriend (This Is Why Incels That REFUSE To Do It Confuse Me)

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I find it so confusing that so many incels "look down on" the act of paying for sex as if its "beneath them", when its usually the men who mog them and actually have a sexual history that pay for sex, and these men don't feel any shame about it, in fact its like some kind of "male bonding experience", sometimes guys just go out, drink, hangout, and then they hit up a brothel

Not all guys are going to the club to spend hundreds on drinks and "gamble for pussy", a lot of guys just want to hang out and have a good time, and not be bothered with the hassle of trying to compete with eachother and other men

Of course when they get a girlfriend they don't keep doing this (well lets be honest, some still keep doing it lol), but for these guys its just fun memories that they laugh about when they are together and their girls aren't around


I think many incels still have blue pilled delusions about the nature of sex, incels like to romanticize sex too much

MOST normie males that I have met at the various places I've worked has paid for sex at least once in their life (they aren't ashamed about it), and they know the locations of various brothels or street corners

ALL normie males that I know personally that have paid for sex had a girlfriend and had a history of sexual partners who they didn't pay for sex

(I'd argue that its just semantics, because even during the dating phase you are pretty much paying for everything, so men are paying regardless, but I digress)


The guy who took me to my first brothel so I could finally lose my virginity was a normie who knew the "escort/hooker scene" and showed me the ropes, and he already had a hot latina girl friend at the time (JFL, so he basically cheated on her).

This is why I find it so weird when many incels are so aggressively against paying for sex

Its like they have this false sense of superiority for not "stooping to that level", when in reality pretty much all the men who mog you have done it before (and again its really just semantics, all men are paying for sex at the end of the day)

I have to say that as shitty as my life has been, I REALLY got lucky to meet the people that I met in life so I wouldn't stay trapped in these delusions. I remember not feeling alright with doing it either based on false ideas that were forced into my head by society

My experiences are why I believe that it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for every incel to go out into the working world and to try their best to talk to different people (ESPECIALLY OTHER MEN) and try to socialize, because were all out here really just "running blind" since were "socially stunted" and we don't seem to get how real life actually works


I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES


They do not go out into the "real world" and try to experience it for themselves to see how things really work, as if they are afraid it will "disprove" the black pill or the blue pill will "rub off on them". I can tell you that everything I've seen and been taught by other men has only solidified my belief in the black pill

Sex has nothing to do with "love", or "closeness", its just wild, sweaty fun, and too many incels seem to have this disney fairy tale perspective when it comes to sex and relationships. So they handicap themselves and repress their own sexuality, and laughably many of you plan on remaining virgins till your death due to your refusal to simply pay for it and stop being so childish :feelskek:



ALL THE GUYS THAT MOG YOU AND HAVE RELATIONSHIPS TREAT SEX LIKE "IT'S JUST SEX"

IT'S REALLY JUST YOU GUYS ROMANTICIZING IT, AND TREATING IT LIKE SOME KIND OF "SACRED RITUAL"
 
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As long ya not paying over a thousand to do it’s fine. There’s some people who pay 1,000 an hour and it like baffles me
 
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Justdone said:
As long ya not paying over a thousand to do it’s fine. There’s some people who pay 1,000 an hour and it like baffles me
Its just rich guys doing that though, broke men would never pay that price, there is always a whore within your price range because its a business, just like there are bottles of wine for $1000+ there are bottles of wine for $100

Sadly they do this because of the lie of "high tier", when you can literally go to some 3rd world country like brazil and find women that mog these "high tier" whores, and fuck them for 90% less, but as we know, rich guys tend to like wasting money, its the reason why they buy Lamborghinis they rarely drive and keep in a garage to show off
 
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BlkPillPres said:
I find it so weird when many incels are so aggressively against paying for sex
I don't have anything against paying for sex,i have something against paying to fuck someone who had hundreds of dicks in her pussy.
BlkPillPres said:
stop being so childish
Everyone has different standards,just cause you like to stick your dick in a hole that has been creampied hundreds of time doesn't mean that someone else likes that shit.
 
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Sennacherib said:
I don't have anything against paying for sex,i have something against paying to fuck someone who had hundreds of dicks in her pussy.

Everyone has different standards,just cause you like to stick your dick in a hole that has been creampied hundreds of time doesn't mean that someone else likes that shit.
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Sennacherib said:
I don't have anything against paying for sex,i have something against paying to fuck someone who had hundreds of dicks in her pussy.
You would ironically DATE a woman who has had 10 or 5 past sexual partners but its a completely arbitrary standard

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Everyone has different standards,just cause you like to stick your dick in a hole that has been creampied hundreds of time doesn't mean that someone else likes that shit.
Pretty much every woman that you would ironically pay to date has been creampied hundreds of times, its just that the creampies came from a smaller pool of men, but the duration of those relationships means that she got fucked a lot anyways

There is no objective difference between a woman that has had a few long term relationships and a woman who has had many short term relationships, she still got fucked many times by a man that isn't you

You are really just having an emotional knee jerk reaction and forming subjective standards based on it

For you it may be "anything above 10 is too high a body count" and then some other guy on this forum will say "you are a cuck, that's double digits you a settling for, 5 is the minimum"

You are both wrong, the only absolute and objective standard IS ZERO PARTNERS

If a woman is not a virgin, you obsessing over how many cocks have been inside her is pointless

A woman could have had 1 sex partner till she met you, and that guy could have been an 8/10 Chad with a huge dick and high sex drive, and he fucked her 3 times a day for the 5 years they were together, either way she got creampied hundreds of times (by a man whose performance you can't ever replicate). Its arbitrary to now argue "well it was just that one guy" :feelskek:
 
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I just wouldn't get over the fact that i'm fucking a creature that gets fucked multiple times a day by other men, the thought makes me on the verge of vomiting
 
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Yeah people here have this strange idea that women or sex will somehow change their life. Or that a foid's love will solve their problems. They have this romanticiszed idea of sex and put foids on a pedestal.
BlkPillPres said:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES
Truer than most would admit
 
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There's 3 types of men that go to escorts:

1.married men

2.sex addicts

3.incels
 
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BrokenMan said:
I just wouldn't get over the fact that i'm fucking a creature that gets fucked multiple times a day by other men, the thought makes me on the verge of vomiting
For every guy that says this I have to ask

By that logic you would never bother dating the average woman today either right?

There is no difference between a woman who has had a few long term relationship and a woman who has had many short term relationships, she was in both cases still fucked a lot by different men, the pool of men is smaller but the amount of times she's been fucked isn't really that different
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If a woman is not a virgin, you obsessing over how many cocks have been inside her is pointless

A woman could have had 1 sex partner till she met you, and that guy could have been an 8/10 Chad with a huge dick and high sex drive, and he fucked her 3 times a day for the 5 years they were together, either way she got creampied hundreds of times (by a man whose performance you can't ever replicate). Its arbitrary to now argue "well it was just that one guy" :feelskek:
 
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BlkPillPres said:
For every guy that says this I have to ask

By that logic you would never bother dating the average woman today either right?

There is no difference between a woman who has had a few long term relationship and a woman who has had many short term relationships, she was in both cases still fucked a lot by different men, the pool of men is smaller but the amount of times she's been fucked isn't really that different
Yes, logically the average woman nowadays is not much different than a prostitute. After getting dicked down more than few times both the average foid and the prostitute are beyond repair already

I guess i will just wait and cope for now, maybe this world will turn upside down during my lifetime and i will be able to snag a virgin young woman because of it, but for now i will remain a virgin
 
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some of us have already gone with whores and we didn't like them, personally I prefer to do it with a fleshlight rather than with whores, at least so I don't lose my hard earned money. I have been with whores about 12 times and I have found it horrible, I do not think it is the same sex that Normies and Chads experience
 
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Jal16 said:
There's 3 types of men that go to escorts:

1.married men

2.sex addicts

3.incels
1. It isn't just the 3 you placed at all, the guy I was talking about was not married, normie males who are single or dating often pay for sex, it is very much a normal thing, incels just don't know that because they don't socialize much with other men, their entire outlook on how males interact is based on their experience during their years of schooling, so they still think the hierarchies of "cool attractive guys get laid and rest stay sexless" is how the adult world works

I'm telling you that If prostitution got globally legalized tomorrow, all these incel forums would turn into escortcel forums in a matter of months lol. Men are only depressed and hateful right now because of sexual frustration, allow men to have an outlet and they stop being radical

I swear when I finished fucking that whore it was like all the pain in my life faded away, all the embarrasment and depression I went through before didn't matter, I was at peace lol

2. What even is a "sex addict"?, we are all born obsessed with and craving sex, I could never describe my libido as anything short of an addiction, what else would you even classify it as?

Whats the difference between a "sex addict" that always has access to sex and one who doesn't?, will they even notice that they are an "addict" if they can always have the need met?
 
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I definitely agree on that one. I can understand if you're scared of doing it or if you're really low on money, but treating sex as something sacred is plain nonsense, especially for us.

Treating sex as something sacred is actually masochism.
 
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Look if I have sex, I want to feel validated. I want the act to be out of voluntary attraction, not a monetary transaction and going trough the motions.
Sure normies have no problem going to whores, they have fulfilled those needs and sex is just a pleasurable act to them now. There is much more to romantic relationships than sex.
 
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I am not curious enough about sex that it would make me leave my comfort zone so I will just call anyone who is doing it a cuck instead.
 
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bignose said:
I have been with whores about 12 times and I have found it horrible
Were the 12 times at the same kind of place?

Were they "hired escorts"?

You probably keep getting disappointed because you are going into this with the wrong mindset to begin with, you are expecting some kind of "deep" experience when its just you using a woman's body to reach orgasm. Your expectations are too high so you always get let down.

Could also be you went to a shitty whore tbh, I've only fucked one whore and it was decent, I'll never forget the experience, it was enjoyable to me, but of course I went into it with the right mindset - "I'm just here to fuck and enjoy myself"

A lot of you guys are setting yourself up for failure by expecting too much, and what you say next is proof of that, you are comparing your sex with a whore to some kind of romanticized concept of sex that "normies" or "Chads" will "experience"

You're doomed to fail from the start, doesn't matter if you do it 12 times or 100 times

bignose said:
I do not think it is the same sex that Normies and Chads experience
You guys need to stop it with this "Chad gets X" nonsense, in every other aspect of life you don't use the exception to the rule to justify your beliefs, but for some reason when it comes to sex you guys invoke Chad

It would be like me comparing every house I'm thinking about buying to mansions that I've seen online

Yeah mansions exist, those are the exception to the rule, they shouldn't dictate how you buy a house
 
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BlkPillPres said:
I find it so confusing that so many incels "look down on" the act of paying for sex as if its "beneath them", when its usually the men who mog them and actually have a sexual history that pay for sex, and these men don't feel any shame about it, in fact its like some kind of "male bonding experience", sometimes guys just go out, drink, hangout, and then they hit up a brothel

Not all guys are going to the club to spend hundreds on drinks and "gamble for pussy", a lot of guys just want to hang out and have a good time, and not be bothered with the hassle of trying to compete with eachother and other men

Of course when they get a girlfriend they don't keep doing this (well lets be honest, some still keep doing it lol), but for these guys its just fun memories that they laugh about when they are together and their girls aren't around


I think many incels still have blue pilled delusions about the nature of sex, incels like to romanticize sex too much

MOST normie males that I have met at the various places I've worked has paid for sex at least once in their life (they aren't ashamed about it), and they know the locations of various brothels or street corners

ALL normie males that I know personally that have paid for sex had a girlfriend and had a history of sexual partners who they didn't pay for sex

(I'd argue that its just semantics, because even during the dating phase you are pretty much paying for everything, so men are paying regardless, but I digress)


The guy who took me to my first brothel so I could finally lose my virginity was a normie who knew the "escort/hooker scene" and showed me the ropes, and he already had a hot latina girl friend at the time (JFL, so he basically cheated on her).

This is why I find it so weird when many incels are so aggressively against paying for sex

Its like they have this false sense of superiority for not "stooping to that level", when in reality pretty much all the men who mog you have done it before (and again its really just semantics, all men are paying for sex at the end of the day)

I have to say that as shitty as my life has been, I REALLY got lucky to meet the people that I met in life so I wouldn't stay trapped in these delusions. I remember not feeling alright with doing it either based on false ideas that were forced into my head by society

My experiences are why I believe that it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for every incel to go out into the working world and to try their best to talk to different people (ESPECIALLY OTHER MEN) and try to socialize, because were all out here really just "running blind" since were "socially stunted" and we don't seem to get how real life actually works


I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES


They do not go out into the "real world" and try to experience it for themselves to see how things really work, as if they are afraid it will "disprove" the black pill or the blue pill will "rub off on them". I can tell you that everything I've seen and been taught by other men has only solidified my belief in the black pill

Sex has nothing to do with "love", or "closeness", its just wild, sweaty fun, and too many incels seem to have this disney fairy tale perspective when it comes to sex and relationships. So they handicap themselves and repress their own sexuality, and laughably many of you plan on remaining virgins till your death due to your refusal to simply pay for it and stop being so childish :feelskek:



ALL THE GUYS THAT MOG YOU AND HAVE RELATIONSHIPS TREAT SEX LIKE "IT'S JUST SEX"

IT'S REALLY JUST YOU GUYS ROMANTICIZING IT, AND TREATING IT LIKE SOME KIND OF "SACRED RITUAL"
I strongly disagree, even though you're technically right in some ways, and I do look down on other men who buy sex. It just isn't consistent with my principles, even as an atheist.

If sex, the closest form of physical intimacy, a revealing of partners of each other in their most vulnerable state, and, at the reproductive level, a union of our collective ancestry across time to create a life combining them, can just be done casually, what can be regarded as sacred?
 
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Kamikaze said:
Look if I have sex, I want to feel validated.
You are just being childish then, life isn't going to be like that for every man

Kamikaze said:
I want the act to be out of voluntary attraction, not a monetary transaction and going trough the motions.
Now ask yourself why so many normie males don't care about this but for some reason you do

Kamikaze said:
Sure normies have no problem going to whores, they have fulfilled those needs and sex is just a pleasurable act to them now.
Cope, some of them lost their virginity to whores too, some of them started their "sex lives" through whores

Once again like the typical incel, you are going off of memes you read online rather than real life experience and conversations with other men who have had relationships:
BlkPillPres said:
I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES

How do you think a man who has never had sex, learns to get good enough at sex to keep the girlfriend he finally gets?

Normie males can't depened on their "vast sexual experience" to keep their FIRST girlfriend :feelskek:

That's the irony of a lot of you guys that want to "ascend", once you finally do, you won't be able to satisfy her, she'll dry up at the sight of you fumbling around to insert your dick (the first time you aren't really sure how to properly get it into the hole dude, I'm not joking lol)

If your girl sees that you aren't a "cocksmith" its over before it starred, that's just the harsh reality

Kamikaze said:
There is much more to romantic relationships than sex.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc


Like I said, disney fairy tale land, sex is the foundation of any romantic relationship, if the sex isn't good it won't even last, that's just a fact
 
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Abandoning family morals by sleeping around with the Whore of Babylon. Good way to degenerate your culture.

Oh wait forgot, niggers don't have a culture.
 
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WarriorScholar said:
If sex, the closest form of physical intimacy, a revealing of partners of each other in their most vulnerable state, and, at the reproductive level, a union of our collective ancestry across time to create a life combining them, can just be done casually, what can be regarded as sacred?
Who decided that anything has to be "sacred" at all?, the irony of you saying you are an atheist whilst ironically still embodying aspects of religious indoctrination in your way of thinking

Seems to me like you are presupposing how reality is supposed to work instead of observing reality and then structuring your beliefs based on those observations

The beliefs you have now are ironically familiar to having "religious beliefs", but instead of believing in "a God", people like you believe in "love" or "sacred things", its all the same kind of superstitious nonsense
 
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It's already confirmed they can fuck for free (or at least without literally giving money to the foid), so there's no problem with pumping hookers. They've been validated and fulfilled elsewhere and just need their urges satisified without drama. It's perfectly healthy for a normie and up.

An incel can be looking for any number of things from women and it can be maddening to be the guy paying for literally everything he gets from them. His first and only instances of intimacy being frauded, him spending more for less than her natural partners get.

If you're an incel who only cares about sex then there's no problem either, but that's just not the case for everyone.

BlkPillPres said:
There is no objective difference between a woman that has had a few long term relationships and a woman who has had many short term relationships, she still got fucked many times by a man that isn't you
If she merely had long term relationships I'm at least not getting intimacy mogged, because every other guy she fucked put in the same investment I did.

If she had a bunch of quickies with other guys but then I had to move heaven and earth over an extended period to get with her, then I'm the chump holding the bag in the situation and she subconsciously knows that and it'll tear the relationship apart sooner rather than later. Once a foid is Chad-programmed she's useless to everyone else.

There's no difference for men not looking for stable relationships, but the two are worlds apart for those who do.
 
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Justdone said:
As long ya not paying over a thousand to do it’s fine. There’s some people who pay 1,000 an hour and it like baffles me
Anything more than 100 dollars an hour is cucked.
 
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BlkPillPres said:
You are just being childish then, life isn't going to be like that for every man


Now ask yourself why so many normie males don't care about this but for some reason you do


Cope, some of them lost their virginity to whores too, some of them started their "sex lives" through whores

Once again like the typical incel, you are going off of memes you read online rather than real life experience and conversations with other men who have had relationships:


How do you think a man who has never had sex, learns to get good enough at sex to keep the girlfriend he finally gets?

Normie males can't depened on their "vast sexual experience" to keep their FIRST girlfriend :feelskek:

That's the irony of a lot of you guys that want to "ascend", once you finally do, you won't be able to satisfy her, she'll dry up at the sight of you fumbling around to insert your dick (the first time you aren't really sure how to properly get it into the hole dude, I'm not joking lol)

If your girl sees that you aren't a "cocksmith" its over before it starred, that's just the harsh reality


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc


Like I said, disney fairy tale land, sex is the foundation of any romantic relationship, if the sex isn't good it won't even last, that's just a fact
What's with this notion that you must come in to sex as if you're a porn star?
If she leaves you because it was your first time and you were inexperienced in bed, then why the heck you think that relationship had any chance to work in the first place?
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Who decided that anything has to be "sacred" at all?, the irony of you saying you are an atheist whilst ironically still embodying aspects of religious indoctrination in your way of thinking

Seems to me like you are presupposing how reality is supposed to work instead of observing reality and then structuring your beliefs based on those observations

The beliefs you have now are ironically familiar to having "religious beliefs", but instead of believing in "a God", people like you believe in "love" or "sacred things", its all the same kind of superstitious nonsense

It isn't the same. I just place a high value on myself as a human being, and if I'm willing to show myself to a woman and copulate with her it isn't simply out of a desire to satisfy a primal urge or have fun. It's a privilege I would grant to a woman I feel is worthy of it, and offers themselves to me despite having many other options.
 
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WarriorScholar said:
if I'm willing to show myself to a woman and copulate with her it isn't simply out of a desire to satisfy a primal urge or have fun. It's a privilege I would grant to a woman I feel is worthy of it
Holy shit your ego is off the fucking charts :feelskek:

The irony is guys like you will call yourself "subhuman" or "low tier", but its clear that you don't really believe that

This is peak cognitive dissonance. If you don't know what that means, a simple definition is that you are holding two or more conflicting (contradictory) beliefs at the same time

I have never met another user on this forum with an ego like yours you are truly a rarity, its a fucking privilege that you are granting a woman to have sex with a genetic failure? :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

Your choice of avatar makes a lot of sense, you may be coping into thinking you are somehow on par with that guy



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Once a foid is Chad-programmed she's useless to everyone else.
Then even if she had just one sexual partner, if he was high tier the end result would be the same, this is why the number doesn't matter, its the quality that matters:
BlkPillPres said:
In fact lets propose some further scenarios as to why I say this

Scenario 7
Man: Virgin
Woman: 100 Previous Sexual Partners (all were around 4ft tall, with 4 inch penises and had below average income)

Scenario 8
Man: Virgin
Woman: 1 Previous Sexual Partner (10/10, 7ft tall, 10 inch dick having giga chad rich business man)

Which woman would you feel safer marrying, which woman would be more likely to cheat, the woman who has had more partners, or the woman who has fucked a top 5% man, its all arbitrary once you include other factors, anything more than one is a huge possibilty of failure, that woman who many of you would prize for having just one partner could have been fucking a guy who extremely outclasses you in everything, so him being her "only guy" makes no difference

SuperPerfectCel said:
There's no difference for men not looking for stable relationships
As an incel you aren't going to find that ever, that's where the "coping culture" in the incel community lies, there's nothing "stable" about being unattractive, no matter what you do or improve in you will always just be something she settles for and can trade up whenever she gets tired enough



Kamikaze said:
What's with this notion that you must come in to sex as if you're a porn star?
Are you as a so called "black piller" only now realizing the unfairness of being a man?

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If she leaves you because it was your first time and you were inexperienced in bed, then why the heck you think that relationship had any chance to work in the first place?
It would have worked if you atleast knew the bare minimum, I find it funny that you somehow expect women to be reasonable. What you just pointed out is exactly why its pointless to chase after relationships unless you are a high tier man to begin with (or you've built up some sexual experience via alternative means)

If you have a big dick you won't have to worry though, but if you have an average one you better know what you're doing
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Holy shit your ego is off the fucking charts :feelskek:

The irony is guys like you will call yourself "subhuman" or "low tier", but its clear that you don't really believe that

This is peak cognitive dissonance. If you don't know what that means, a simple definition is that you are holding two or more conflicting (contradictory) beliefs at the same time

I have never met another user on this forum with an ego like yours you are truly a rarity, its a fucking privilege that you are granting a woman to have sex with a genetic failure? :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

It is a privilege and this isn't cognitive dissonance. Her perception of me is irrelevant, if she doesn't meet my preconditions she doesn't get my cock. I will never give up my dignity regardless of which tier I occupy.
 
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WarriorScholar said:
if she doesn't meet my preconditions she doesn't get my cock. I will never give up my dignity regardless of which tier I occupy.
You have no dignity, you just lack the self awareness to realize that

Dignity without other people confirming and affirming its worth, is nothing but self delusion

Its like a homeless man saying he's "dignified" because "he says so"

No, that's completely illogical, it doesn't work like that

Your existence as an incel is completely undignified, whether you acknowledge it or not, in the same way that you are an incel whether you accept the label or not, an incel isn't something you choose to be, its something that you are by being involuntarily celibate

Your existence is by definition undignified as a genetic reject, you can claim that you have dignity all you want, but at the end of the day its just you coping and telling yourself lies

WarriorScholar said:
if she doesn't meet my preconditions she doesn't get my cock.
Poor woman, she is really missing out on fucking some delusional genetic reject :feelskek:

I think I'll end this back and forth, you can't reason someone out of a belief that isn't based on reason to begin with
 
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As long ya not paying over a thousand to do it’s fine. There’s some people who pay 1,000 an hour and it like baffles me
It'd be hard for me to even consider paying 100 an hour
honestly even 50 seems too much
i can jerk off for free you know
and to any woman i want to
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Holy shit your ego is off the fucking charts :feelskek:

The irony is guys like you will call yourself "subhuman" or "low tier", but its clear that you don't really believe that

This is peak cognitive dissonance. If you don't know what that means, a simple definition is that you are holding two or more conflicting (contradictory) beliefs at the same time

I have never met another user on this forum with an ego like yours you are truly a rarity, its a fucking privilege that you are granting a woman to have sex with a genetic failure? :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

Your choice of avatar makes a lot of sense, you may be coping into thinking you are somehow on par with that guy




Then even if she had just one sexual partner, if he was high tier the end result would be the same, this is why the number doesn't matter, its the quality that matters:



As an incel you aren't going to find that ever, that's where the "coping culture" in the incel community lies, there's nothing "stable" about being unattractive, no matter what you do or improve in you will always just be something she settles for and can trade up whenever she gets tired enough




Are you as a so called "black piller" only now realizing the unfairness of being a man?


It would have worked if you atleast knew the bare minimum, I find it funny that you somehow expect women to be reasonable. What you just pointed out is exactly why its pointless to chase after relationships unless you are a high tier man to begin with (or you've built up some sexual experience via alternative means)

If you have a big dick you won't have to worry though, but if you have an average one you better know what you're doing
Sex is all about licking pussy skills and penis size tbh. The only thing that you will learn from hookers is : thrust your penis in the vagina
 
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BlkPillPres said:
You have no dignity, you just lack the self awareness to realize that

Dignity without other people confirming its worth is nothing but self delusion

Its like a homeless man saying he's "dignified" because "he says so"

No, that's completely illogical, it doesn't work like that

Your existence as an incel is completely undignified, whether you acknowledge it or not, in the same way that you are an incel whether you accept the label or not, an incel isn't something you choose to be, its something that you are by being involuntarily celibate

Your existence is by definition undignified as a genetic reject, you can claim that you have dignity all you want, but at the end of the day its just you coping and telling yourself lies


Poor woman, she is really missing out on fucking some delusional genetic reject :feelskek:

I think I'll end this back and forth, you can't reason someone out of a belief that isn't based on reason to begin with

Dignity is not just defined by a general state of being worthy of honor and respect in the colloquial sense. It is also defined as a sense of pride in oneself or self-respect. That is the dignity I'm referring to.

Being an involuntary celibate doesn't have to be undignified, it just generally is in both parts of the aforementioned definitions. If I want something - such as a woman who meets my preconditions - and I'm unable to obtain it at this point in time despite effort, and my dignity doesn't allow for anything less, I'm still involuntarily a celibate.

Doesn't matter if the woman views me unfavorably or rejects me, it doesn't matter. If she feels she is missing out and begs, and doesn't meet my standards, they may as well not have tried.
 
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Orca said:
The only thing that you will learn from hookers is : thrust your penis in the vagina
You know that shit is actually hard though right?. I literally got a leg cramp the first time I did it, a lot of you guys don't realize that sex is like exercise when you are a man, if you want to actually be "any good" and go for 15 minutes or more (and that woman you want to ascend with definitely wants more), you are going to need a decently strong core (abdominals), back, and leg muscles

Watching women get fucked and jerking off makes sex seem so easy like "you just do it"

When you finally do it the reality sets in about how difficult it actually is

Another thing to when it comes to making a woman orgasm from penetration your "tempo" and consistency (how long you go for) is an important factor

Again, if you have a huge penis this won't matter much, but i'm assuming a lot of incels who are trying to ascend aren't packing 7+ inchers with significant girth

Girth also matters a lot more when it comes to penis size than length, because girth is how you can consistently hit a woman's "g-spot" when having penetrative sex and not using your fingers, other than that you are going to have to fuck women at certain angles in order to make them orgasm (so it isn't just "thrust your penis in the vagina")

I'll repeat once again (because you are just proving my point):
BlkPillPres said:
I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES



Words2_live_bye said:
It'd be hard for me to even consider paying 100 an hour
honestly even 50 seems too much
i can jerk off for free you know
and to any woman i want to
Yeah and you can walk miles to work for free instead of paying for public transportation (or a car)

You can make some crappy bootleg ice cream at home instead of buying dairy queen or haagen dazs

Its free but its not nearly as satisfying or enjoyable of an experience

JFL at 100 being too much, I guarantee you are one of those console whores that buys the next PS6 and XBOX540 and all the exclusive games, but will spend the rest of your life complaining about being a virgin
 
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BlkPillPres said:
A woman could have had 1 sex partner till she met you, and that guy could have been an 8/10 Chad with a huge dick and high sex drive, and he fucked her 3 times a day for the 5 years they were together, either way she got creampied hundreds of times (by a man whose performance you can't ever replicate). Its arbitrary to now argue "well it was just that one guy" :feelskek:
This is my biggest fear and why I basically gave up hoping to experience real love. If a non-virgin foid 'loved' me, I couldn't ever love her back the same knowing some Chad/Tyrone was doing unspeakable things to her that I couldn't physically replicate, I'd simply feel inadequate due to my lack of experience and physical shortcomings. With escorts, it depends imo. Everyone has different standards, and we should be free to live them out how we see fit.
 
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BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres You know I was thinking about what you wrote and I am genuienly glad that you have found your philosophy and are equipped to embrace this nihilistic, animalistic, and cynical existence.

With that being said: I have come to the conclusion that I cannot accept and will not accept it.
Despite my outlook on things perhaps objectively being idealistic, childish, diluded and naive, I renounce the world that you describe, as it is not a world worth living in for a human being in my opinion.

It is highly likely that I will suffer due to my views and will pay dearly for upholding them(as i have been for 32 years), I am willingly chosing the fool's path. This is because If I view the world trough your prism, I will lose the last spark of humanity which is left in me, without which there will be no more but a husk of a man. It is in my belief that one rather take his own life than end up as such. Dying as a dilusional, idealistic, rejected virging is thus of my own volution.
With that being said: I do not see my choice or views as superior to yours. I sincerely hope that you will be better off than I am.
 
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I’m actually one of the few brocels out there that doesn’t hate prostitutes/whores/working girls/escorts/whatever you want to call them as I see them as providing a service that helps men in a very straight forward and no nonsense/bullshit way that we prefer.

So I don’t put them on the same level as the women that are ruining society ie the feminists and the only fans and stripper types that only exist to cruelly tease men and allow simps to engage in their simp mental illness and become ever sicker with it until they’ve completely destroyed their lives via spending all of their money until they become broke on a fantasy as well try to destroy their fellow men’s lives through white knighting for the scum of the earth tier women who have individually fucked their man over somehow.

Now having said that I simply cannot bring myself to go and buy some pussy simply because I’m not wired for that.

It has to be real and genuine desire from a girl/woman for me to even give a damn in order to get it up.

You do you though blkpillpress and fellow bros that jive with this idea.

I mean it’s certainly not a bad idea but it’s just not for everybody.
 
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Kamikaze said:
as it is not a world worth living in for a human being in my opinion.
Kamikaze said:
This is because If I view the world trough your prism, I will lose the last spark of humanity which is left in me
I think you need to consider that what you have isn't "humanity", those beliefs that you classify as "humanity" are nothing but the things you were indoctrinated to believe, so what if you were taught false beliefs?

Do falsehoods now become truths that you refuse to admit are wrong for the rest of your life, simply because you were raised to believe them?

You might need to consider that your entire belief system of what "humanity" is, is false

Last time I checked that's exactly what the black pill is about, its weird to pick and choose when the black pill (logic and reasoning) applies and then create abitrary exceptions for yourself for the personal beliefs you want to cling to

This thread is definitely for you:

Kamikaze said:
It is highly likely that I will suffer due to my views and will pay dearly for upholding them(as i have been for 32 years)
Damn you are in your 30's already, I am sorry, I will be there soon but I'm wealthmaxxing so that by the time I get there my life can actually be enjoyable. I hope you atleast do it a few times so can enjoy it a bit before you die, you really don't want to experience the sorrow that awaits a virgin incel on his death bed, you might feel "dignified" sticking to your guns right now, but when things are finally over all you'll be left with is regret
 
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I can see what you mean by selective application of the black pill, but cannot fully accept the totality of nihilism that stems from it. Even if these are the underlying truths of existence, accepting them to me is death of the human spirit. Even if we have gained sentience to grasp beyond what is for our own good to grasp, I am incapable of embracing and prospering in such existence, and would rather accept death.

It is indeed to late for me in many regards, however I do not plan on having a death bed to lay on. Hopefully you will secure a life worth living for yourself.
 
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Kamikaze said:
I can see what you mean by selective application of the black pill, but cannot fully accept the totality of nihilism that stems from it. Even if these are the underlying truths of existence, accepting them to me is death of the human spirit. Even if we have gained sentience to grasp beyond what is for our own good to grasp, I am incapable of embracing and prospering in such existence, and would rather accept death.

It is indeed to late for me in many regards, however I do not plan on having a death bed to lay on. Hopefully you will secure a life worth living for yourself.
ya should like consider seeing a escort and make her eat your ass it’s the ultimate power move :feelsokman::feelskek::feelskek:.

Fine I’ll be more serious but ya shouldn’t let yourself leave life without sexual pleasure if your not religious you’ll still always have your values
 
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I dont look down on it, but there is a reason normies can do it. Normies know love, they can pay to get just the sex.

We dont have love and just the sex is empty. You can pay for an experience that is almost identical to a girlfriend, but this would require a sugar baby or to rent a good actress escort for a weekend.
 
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Neetocel said:
I dont look down on it, but there is a reason normies can do it. Normies know love, they can pay to get just the sex.
Sorry, that's just made up nonsense, a lot of normie males lost their virginity by paying for it, its a lot more common than you think

You are really just making a convenient excuse for yourself:
"The reason why they can enjoy sex without "love", is because they are getting the "love" somewhere else"

Seeing as I've actually talked to a lot of these guys I'll call bullshit and assert that my actual experience trumps your beliefs that are based on memes and shit you heard online

You guys are projecting your disney fairy tale mindset onto the rest of the world, it doesn't work like that, they enjoyed fucking whores before they got girlfriends and after they got girlfriends, because they didn't pedestalize women like men like you definitely do

This is why its so ironic when you guys act like you hate women, because your beliefs actually convey that you "revere" women as these higher beings that judge you and validate your entire existence

Neetocel said:
You can pay for an experience that is almost identical to a girlfriend, but this would require a sugar baby or to rent a good actress escort for a weekend.
This is something that is also very ironic, you guys sound illogical as fuck

Ok so paying someone to PRETEND they like you is somehow going to make the sex more enjoyable than a regular whore?

When you KNOW the are pretending and are actually disgusted by you?

What kind of mental gymnastics is that :feelskek:
 
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I'll repeat once again (because you are just proving my point):
How ? I've already visited prostitutes and that's the only thing I learned from them. Besides that, you are complicating the sexual act, it is much simpler.
You're probably having difficulties, because you don't workout
 
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Orca said:
you are complicating the sexual act, it is much simpler.
It isn't simple at all unless you have an above average sized penis, and even then a certain level of fitness (that is not usually held by an incel) is required

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You're probably having difficulties, because you don't workout
How fit do you think the average incel is, really?

Well on another note the bitch I fucked was huge and kinda taller than me so I guess that was a contributing factor, but either way I don't know what delusions of physical capability to seem to have for low tier males
 
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"Its not about sex. Its about getting love, attention and affection from women" :feelshaha:
 
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BlkPillPres said:
A lot of you guys are setting yourself up for failure by expecting too much, and what you say next is proof of that, you are comparing your sex with a whore to some kind of romanticized concept of sex that "normies" or "Chads" will "experience"
No, in my case I do not romanticize sex, but what you say is true, I expected more from sex when I went with a prostitute for the first time, for example, one of my first disappointments is that I cannot kiss them, kissing a woman is The most basic interaction and not being able to do it despite having paid is frustrating, while the normies and chads kiss hot girls from the most tender adolescence, I am not with those disney fantasies of "love" and those ridiculous, you are absolutely right On it.

Not being able to kiss them and having to use a condom, it's almost like doing it with a fleshlight. Anyway, I have no escape, paying is the only thing I have left to keep my sanity, every 6 months I have to pay for sex to support myself, otherwise I might end up as ER
 
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That's not the problem, it just doesn't do anything. I want to be sexually desired, I want to be loved, I want to eventually marry and have a family. How will going to a hooker solve these problems? It doesn't, I'd still be an incel like I am now. It's just a waste of money.
 
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bignose said:
one of my first disappointments is that I cannot kiss them, kissing a woman is The most basic interaction and not being able to do it despite having paid is frustrating
I will agree with this, it was annoying for me too, this is why the next time I'm making sure kissing is on the table, bitch has to brush her teeth and rinse her mouth first though lol

TBH kissing arouses me more than other aspects of sex, because in a way its way more intimate, you are not just penetrating the woman at that point, you are tasting her, and she's tasting you
 
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TBH kissing arouses me more than other aspects of sex, because in a way its way more intimate, you are not just penetrating the woman at that point, you are tasting her, and she's tasting you

So true, there were only two girls I went to who allowed kissing, but they were the ones who I returned to several (5+) times.
 
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I find it so confusing that so many incels "look down on" the act of paying for sex as if its "beneath them"
A key reason some incels reject paying for intimacy is that despite being willing to pay nearly anything for the experience, they're treated very badly by the professionals. Often, they're rushed (pay for 60-minutes, but professional tries to finish in 15...), they're obliquely ridiculed, they're condescended to... These incels aren't against paying for sex. They're against paying gobs of money to be treated poorly. And before someone says, "I don't care about the opinions of the prostitute..." -- that's fine if you feel that way, but others want to be treated reasonably well in exchange for $500+ per hour. This shouldn't be so surprising given how chronically poorly many incels are treated.
 
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A key reason some incels reject paying for intimacy is that despite being willing to pay nearly anything for the experience, they're treated very badly by the professionals.
I was treated well my first time and I'd argue you are supposed to demand good treatment, you are in control in the bedroom, you are the man in the room in that situation, its your fucking fault if you aren't demanding what you paid for

You see this is exactly what I talk about in this thread:

You guys REFUSE to see yourself as what you are in these scenarios (PREDATORS), and because you refuse to see yourself in that light, and refuse to be honest with yourself, you don't want to take what you paid for by force, so you just complain and say you didn't get the treatment you should have

You are a predator, what you are subjecting a whore to as an undesirable man, is tantamount to RAPE

YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT


She is sickened by the idea of fucking you, disgusted, probably wants to throw up, if you aren't willing to demand a certain level of service or take it by force, then too bad for, its just you being unwilling to accept what you are completely

A lot of you guys treat paying for sex as some means to PRETEND LIKE YOU ARE DESIRABLE

No, that's not how this shit works, you are still undesirable, you are paying women to give you access to their body, doesn't mean they have to like it, doesn't mean you have to care if they like it

If you are a soft hearted man stay out of the whore/escort scene, its not for you, because there's a lot of shit you are going to see that will sway your heart and leave you getting cucked

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Often, they're rushed (pay for 60-minutes, but professional tries to finish in 15
Her job is just to fuck you, her job is not to squeeze your dick and analyzing the strength of the pulsations to tell when you are orgasming and to stop to make you last around 60 minutes :feelskek: (or whatever amount of time you paid for)

The problem with you guys is you don't understand your role as a man in the bedroom, its your job to control all those factors

She can "try to finish" all she wants, you can just pull your dick out or tell her to stop

You might have to slap a bitch one day and remind her of her place. If you don't have the heart for that shit stop coping like you "hate women", that's the problem with a lot of incels, they are larping in all these threads when women get heart and calling them roasties, but deep down they "revere" and worship women and value them greatly

You are the one in control, you have more physical strength than the average whore you'd be fucking, its your role to dominate in the bedroom

You guys are acting like sex is some kind of hands off robotic experience and she's supposed to now "do all the work". I would never even spend money on shit like that. If that's what you want then you don't really want to have sex, its best you jerk off, but don't complain about not having a girl friend either, because the same things are expected of you in the bedroom, you are supposed to be controlling the pace, not the woman

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They're obliquely ridiculed, they're condescended to
They are making shit up, if a whore wants your money she's not going to ridicule or condescend to you, that's not their job

NearlyOver said:
... These incels aren't against paying for sex.
Based on what you described, they kinda are, they are paying for more than sex, they are expecting a lot more.

They ironically want to pay a woman to take over for their role in the bedroom, whilst making sure that you get your money's worth in time, while also pretending with pro acting skills that they genuinely want to pleasure you as if you are a handsome prince

I'm sorry, those are ridiculous standards

NearlyOver said:
"I don't care about the opinions of the prostitute..."
That's the mindset you should have when it comes to prostitution, otherwise you are setting yourself up for failure

NearlyOver said:
but others want to be treated reasonably well in exchange for $500+ per hour.
If you are paying this amount of money for sex I don't feel bad for you being treated like shit, you'd be an idiot. There are too many places with good rates to be paying these exorbitant prices
 
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