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Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled
Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.
Stay Tuned.
1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.
I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.
My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.
There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.
I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.
1. Normies Do Not Understand Us
Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.
For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.
(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)
Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?
It's clearly not about a lack of good information.
What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.
But first, definitions my friends:
2. What the blackpill is:
The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.
That's it. That's the blackpill.
3. What the blackpill is not:
- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.
In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.
A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.
What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!
Maybe it has already...
You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.
It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.
No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.
Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.
This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.
Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:
a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.
However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.
If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:
Self-serving bias - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Fundamental attribution error - Wikipedia
Depressive realism - Wikipedia
b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.
c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."
They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.
As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.
Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.
One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.
Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."
With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."
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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.
For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."
Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA
Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):
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Please look at the above picture.
Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.
Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.
Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.
One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.
So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.
Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.
The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:
The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.
You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.
As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"
Bernays - Propaganda.pdf
PROPAGANDA By EDWARD L. BERNAYS. 1928. CONTENTS I. ORGANIZING CHAOS .................................................. 9. II. THE NEW PROPAGANDA ............................................ 19. III. THE NEW PROPAGANDISTS. 32. IV. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PUBLIC RELATIONS. 47. V. BUSINESS AND THE...www.docdroid.net
What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:
Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.
Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:
Just lol.
Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.
Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.
Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.
To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:
Source:
- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)
None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.
Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."
The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.
When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.
We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.
At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:
View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928
This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.
From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.
In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.
"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot
This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.
Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.
Stanley Milgram - Obedience to Authority_ An Experimental View-Tavistock Publications Ltd (1974).pdf
View and download Stanley Milgram - Obedience to Authority_ An Experimental View-Tavistock Publications Ltd (1974).pdf on DocDroid
They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).
Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.
The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with
- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont
It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later
Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.
So from their perspective, the blackpill is...
-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.
This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"
None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.
They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"
This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.
Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.
If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements- you only think its derogatory because you think children are retarded and you dont value them OH NOOO YOU DONT WANT TO THINK THAT DO YOU? BAD BAAD)
This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather
- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")
Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.
By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.
For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.
This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.
Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.
People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.
Signaling virtuous victimhood as indicators of Dark Triad personalities - PubMed
We investigate the consequences and predictors of emitting signals of victimhood and virtue. In our first three studies, we show that the virtuous victim signal can facilitate nonreciprocal resource transfer from others to the signaler. Next, we develop and validate a victim signaling scale that...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.
And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.
You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.
But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.
Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.
The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?
This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.
To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:
- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these
Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?
a) Yvetlana Vasin
View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93
Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:
St. Petersburg Women for Marriage | Meet Your Future Bride
Meet genuine ladies who are looking for love. Register NOW for free and start browsing the profiles of potential partners here at St. Petersburg Women.saint-petersburg-women.com
So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.
b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8
Then gets a nosejob (lookism):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU
c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.
And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.
Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.
Men vs. Women: Plastic Surgery Statistics - Crown Valley Cosmetic Surgery
Although it might seem that men are catching up quickly, when it comes to having plastic surgery, this is still a woman’s game by a very large margin. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) reveals from its 2014 plastic surgery statistics that women accounted for 92% of all cosmetic...crownvalleycosmeticsurgery.com
d) QOVESStudio
Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.
e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."
So looks suddenly matter?
f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.
Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.
"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."
Research Guides: Consumer Advertising During the Great Depression: A Resource Guide: Gender and Advertising
This guide explores primary and secondary sources that examine the advertising industry from 1929 to 1933, including advertising agencies, consumer protection groups, and topical sources on gender, race, and radio in advertising.guides.loc.gov
"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"
The Purchasing Power of Women: Statistics | Girlpower Marketing
Women control over $20 trillion in world-wide spending. Learn more about the purchasing power of women, from Millennials to Baby Boomers, in various marketsgirlpowermarketing.com
This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.
This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."
So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.
g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO
The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.
So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.
They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.
When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.
They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.
If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.
Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.
5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled
Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.
To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:
a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.
b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.
Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.
They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.
View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032
In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:
Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"
I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.
Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.
In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.
Masculinity is an actual social construct and More - Studies
"You're not a real woman!" Said no one ever. Why? Why does that only work on men? The answer is two-fold 1. women have inherent value, you can't loose your woman card because being a woman is synonymous with having female flesh. 2. masculinity as its propagated by women and society largely...
We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.
The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.
The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.
I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.
It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:
The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.
- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.
everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.
There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!
You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.
Another thing to consider:
- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us
To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:
I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.
Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.
And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.
@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):
Must read.
reading stuff like this makes coping with being a KHHV loner a bit easier. you realize how involving a foid in your life transforms it into living hell in 99% of the time
also the stuff about most people here being foid worshippers who argue with each other is too true. im one of the few who don't and it's painful to see all the simps here
also the stuff about most people here being foid worshippers who argue with each other is too true. im one of the few who don't and it's painful to see all the simps here
Put this in the must-read section jannies
Haven't read something this long in a while. You put it pretty well together it was interesting to read good job
Another high IQ thread by the OG himself. Just amazing iq shit.
Whatever fuck up your parents were, they created an IQ animal, i really think you should write a book about the Blackpill. I consider myself blackpilled yet always get surprised when i dive into it, there is no end to the rabbit hole.
I cant add much, but i will add one huge final blackpill:
At the end of the day, all those normies tactics are really good, they work effectively, they really work, 90% people buy it, propaganda works !
So like you said, there are no solutions. Just accept you are born into bondage, and you are utterly powerless.
Maybe its evil, maybe its mother nature filtering out the trash, either way things cant be changed. Didnt change when Schpenhauer wrote his books, didnt change when Jesus died, evil is the natural way. And will always be.
Whatever fuck up your parents were, they created an IQ animal, i really think you should write a book about the Blackpill. I consider myself blackpilled yet always get surprised when i dive into it, there is no end to the rabbit hole.
I cant add much, but i will add one huge final blackpill:
At the end of the day, all those normies tactics are really good, they work effectively, they really work, 90% people buy it, propaganda works !
So like you said, there are no solutions. Just accept you are born into bondage, and you are utterly powerless.
Maybe its evil, maybe its mother nature filtering out the trash, either way things cant be changed. Didnt change when Schpenhauer wrote his books, didnt change when Jesus died, evil is the natural way. And will always be.
When incels rejected MGTOW, they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, they are fucking copers, but they there were pearls in there.
One of their most important observations was just how bad relationships in general are for men. Even good looking men. They are just horrendous and its a very one sided affair. But even on here, you see people chasing relationships. If anything, you should chase raw sexual encounters. Relationships only exists in the head of the dude anyway, hes in love with a fantasy of what he thinks the woman next to him is.
And she plays into it. I could go into it, there are even women talking about it. Men are in love with their projections of what women are. And women know this and knowingly fake male attributes to attract men. Hence MGTOW coined the term "chameleon" to describe foids. Incels didnt coin that term since they have zero experience with the utter horror of actually being with a foid.
So yes. I honestly cant see myself being in a relationship ever. Its pure suffering, I have never seen a successful one and in every single case, the foid is dominant, not the guy. In fact at this point Ive come to believe that to even be in a relationship without wanting to rope, you have to be an extreme foid worshipper. Its a form of complete self-denial. Denying your feelings, your doubts about her, about female nature, denying your needs, denying your boundaries etc...
Its masochism and most dudes in relationships have stockholm syndrome for the bitch.
It never changes. Mans problem is not education, money, healthcare. Thats all cope. There is something deeply wrong with people and nothing on this earth can fix that. There is a law working in all of us that we cant control, like a disease.
Seraphim Rose writes about the suffering of this world:
Another quote from Seraphim Rose:
Nihilism seraphim rose.pdf
NIHILISM The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age by Eugene (Fr. Seraphim) Rose. [mark-up mostly done--- notes need work]. CONTENTS Editor's Preface I. Introduction: The Question of Truth II. The Stages of the Nihilist Dialectic 1. Liberalism 2. Realism 3. Vitalism 4. The Nihilism of...
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normies are retarded
either way, good thread
took you long enough to learn not to speak to normans
the eternal normalfag
either way, good thread
I have autism so it took a while. I had to learn everything manually, by reading books about and cross-referencing my experiences with other autistic people.
Correct
These are the kind of posts which the forum is missing. Too many low effort postmaxers and other spamposting idiots
A must-read worthy - I really like the part where you mention Kohlberg's moral stages, self-serving bias and victimhood virtue signalling. For a person to allow their actions and choices to be dictated by a punishment-reward system, is a tale old as human civilization itself. It is undisputably the best proven method to maintain social order and mass compliance. At the end of the day, people need to be controlled and made into convergent thinkers in order to maintain social order; divergent thinkers are always a danger to status quo
Like the Thought Police in 1984 - To be told what you are and aren't allowed to think, that is the system by which most normies and other NT androids operate. Like Nietzsche's system of master-slave morality --- In the eyes of bluepillers, only what is helpful to them can be good, only what is harmful to them can be bad. They conflate "righteousness" with "pleasure" or "comfort", and conflate "evil" or "wrong" with "sadness", "bitterness" and "discomfort". But some things that make one feel entertained can make another feel scared or miserable. As everyone seems to have their own preferences, you eventually see a clash between collective consciousness bias and anything that appears to be against their sense of righteousness (e.g. scientific blackpill data vs. bluepilled NT minds). Thus you find NT androids who can't see past their own bias to see objective data for what it objectively is. Instead they will attack the data with moralist rhetoric or virtue-signalling (e.g. might is right), or will attack the messanger by questioning their moral stance on the matter, or just straight to using adhominems (like the catalogue of anti-men shaming tactics which you cited). This dilemma is not exclusive to the topic of sex and dating. You'll see this pattern in other areas of discourse, such as religion, political affairs and even history or culture conflict
Only a very few people in humanity are capable of putting their cognitive self-serving biases aside to see objective reality for what it is. The more you critically analyze human behaviour - The clearer it becomes that most people are intellectually primitive in respect of logic, reason and practical ethics (including low effort postmaxers on this forum). They determine their sense of "right" and "wrong" by the opinions of others even when the axioms of their dogmatic system is clearly based on illogical reason. They react in a similar manner when their worldview biases are challenged by data (e.g. use of ad-hominems, assertion of "might is right"). They peristently cope with bluepilled garbage in spite of any evidence or logic that highlights the silliness of their bluepills. Most humans are intellectually flawed systems. If a "god" exists, clearly this "god" did not focus on fine-tuning the human's capacity for reason & intelligence
A must-read worthy - I really like the part where you mention Kohlberg's moral stages, self-serving bias and victimhood virtue signalling. For a person to allow their actions and choices to be dictated by a punishment-reward system, is a tale old as human civilization itself. It is undisputably the best proven method to maintain social order and mass compliance. At the end of the day, people need to be controlled and made into convergent thinkers in order to maintain social order; divergent thinkers are always a danger to status quo
Like the Thought Police in 1984 - To be told what you are and aren't allowed to think, that is the system by which most normies and other NT androids operate. Like Nietzsche's system of master-slave morality --- In the eyes of bluepillers, only what is helpful to them can be good, only what is harmful to them can be bad. They conflate "righteousness" with "pleasure" or "comfort", and conflate "evil" or "wrong" with "sadness", "bitterness" and "discomfort". But some things that make one feel entertained can make another feel scared or miserable. As everyone seems to have their own preferences, you eventually see a clash between collective consciousness bias and anything that appears to be against their sense of righteousness (e.g. scientific blackpill data vs. bluepilled NT minds). Thus you find NT androids who can't see past their own bias to see objective data for what it objectively is. Instead they will attack the data with moralist rhetoric or virtue-signalling (e.g. might is right), or will attack the messanger by questioning their moral stance on the matter, or just straight to using adhominems (like the catalogue of anti-men shaming tactics which you cited). This dilemma is not exclusive to the topic of sex and dating. You'll see this pattern in other areas of discourse, such as religion, political affairs and even history or culture conflict
Only a very few people in humanity are capable of putting their cognitive self-serving biases aside to see objective reality for what it is. The more you critically analyze human behaviour - The clearer it becomes that most people are intellectually primitive in respect of logic, reason and practical ethics (including low effort postmaxers on this forum). They determine their sense of "right" and "wrong" by the opinions of others even when the axioms of their dogmatic system is clearly based on illogical reason. They react in a similar manner when their worldview biases are challenged by data (e.g. use of ad-hominems, assertion of "might is right"). They peristently cope with bluepilled garbage in spite of any evidence or logic that highlights the silliness of their bluepills. Most humans are intellectually flawed systems. If a "god" exists, clearly this "god" did not focus on fine-tuning the human's capacity for reason & intelligence
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One really interesting thing I sometimes think about is the illusion of individuality.
If individualism was so ubiquitous, how come so many people got vaccinated?
How come marketing exists at all?
How come civilization exists?
All of these presuppose a giga high level of social conformity and also predictability.
We are all in systems. Everything is system based. Once you start thinking in terms of systems, life makes much more sense.
Often times people mistake a systematic trend in society that they get swept up in, with individual changes in themselves.
Society is a moving system and we are swimming inside it.
Ironically, once you start thinking like this, you become more individualistic. That's another thing about this world, the inverse is often true.
Like, when you think you are an individual, you interpret reality as if you are making choices without being influenced.
But when you think you are part of larger systems, trends etc... you start seeing the same and your place in them -> aka you become a self-aware individual.
I think this is part of why the elite is promoting the idea of individualism to people - "be the change" etc...
Because it leads to exactly the opposite of individualism, total group think.
There are so many people out there right now, thinking they are vigilantes, heroes, counter-culture... meanwhile their entire movements are sponsored by the likes of Monsanto, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Cargill etc... (vegan movement and enviornmental movements are good example).
Trannies too. They literally think they are a marginalized group when the entire system supports them.
A good book that kind of tackles this is called "Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon" by Dave McGowan.
The TLDR of it is that the entire 60s counter culture was essentially fabricated. Many of the "counter-culture" rebels and musicians like Jimmy Hendrix and Jim Morrison of the Doors, had military connections.
PDF here:
David McGowan, Nick Bryant - Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon_ Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream-Headpress (2014).pdf
WEIRD SCENES INSIDE THE CANYON. LAUREL CANYON, COVERT OPS & THE DARK HEART OF THE HIPPIE DREAM DAVID McGOWAN. HEADPRESS. ...
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Culture creation, Group Think, Cults, Movements, Terror Organizations etc... - Governments have a high interest in all of these.
This is why I wrote, the blackpill does not end at dating and relationships. Its an endless pit, there is so much info.
Just think about how Women are extremely susceptible to manipulation, compared to men.
Hence, 80-90% of customer purchases are done by them, as I cited.
- this explains why super markets are so fucking annoying to men
- this explains who buys all the garbage in them
Another reason is this:
– New Scientist Magazine (London), February 14, 2001
Women behavior can be used to predict and control male behavior. This is why the elite focuses on women as a control mechanism for society.
Even Marx and Engels supposedly said similar things and hence there is an element of sexual liberation inherent in communist ideas.
Once you get the women rolling, the men follow suit.
Anyway, enough of this. Thank you for your reply, I greatly appreciate high effort, in depth responses like that.
My sole purpose is complete my job by winning.
This thread is gold.
I’m on Instagram and I get recommended normie relationship material, and I am stunned in how much of it the man totally submits to the woman.
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If you look at the Bible, God always hates people who question things and wants to seek more. Lucifer, Lilith, Cain, Adam and Eve in the Garden, the people who questioned Moses, etc.
yep.
Women are socially dominant. Not men.
Everything in this world is upside down.
Power is never concentrated where it is the most obvious.
Men are generally believed to be in charge, strong, in control of themselves and other peoples lives.
But upon inspection it turns out that women control men.
That women are less emotional even. Men are hopelessly idealistic and romantic.
Women make very calculated moves and they don't take no for an answer.
They are materialistic too.
But we deliberately misconstrue their shallow display of overt emotion as "being more emotional."
In reality they just use displays of emotion as a weapon to manipulate and control
Everyone who has sisters knows this. They cry and act out, but stop immediately if they dont get what they want. Its fake.
Just read the title of this video and look at the thumbnail:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMv9PljLC7o
How many men could do this?
This average woman can summon a small army of guys and make them embarrass themselves in public.
As a single man, you are utterly powerless.
Further, women operate in networks as a hivemind. So this power multiplies with each successive foid in the network, until we arrive at the final conclusion: Every man in society is controlled by some woman.
Boom. Matriarchy.
they say looks don't matter because all the sub 7 women are coping, but not because they can't get guys, it's because they compete with each other, and then they virtue signal to men by saying "looks don't matter"
exactly, but because women control men, the men can't possibly take back control because they are being controlled by the women... it's like a softlock in a video game
yes indeed what an insightful replies you have made to my thread muahahahah
ah. ha ha, a new word, yes, i shall add it to my tomes of mystery..."softlock" yess, delicious, rolls right of the tongue,... like my enemies eyeballs lololol....
My faithful servant, my herald, you have served me well,
glory to you... and your house
yes indeed what an insightful replies you have made to my thread muahahahah
ah. ha ha, a new word, yes, i shall add it to my tomes of mystery..."softlock" yess, delicious, rolls right of the tongue,... like my enemies eyeballs lololol....
My faithful servant, my herald, you have served me well,
glory to you... and your house
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Finally. Somebody else fucking gets it.
I don’t agree that a Christian worldview can incorporate the blackpill since the blackpill is about looking at the world from an objective logical viewpoint whereas christcucks believe in morals and shit which are inherently subjective, can change over time and therefore not logical.
Being blackpilled isn't a requirement to be an incel.
Dumb take, tbh
The fact that marx & engels believed and support this rubbish - both were failures who are only followed by failures (lazy, incompetent and weak lefties who can't even feed themselves most of the time) is a clear sign it's bullshit
And commies aren't "pro sexual liberation". They consider it unproductive and distracting to the revolution to the point they even persecuted sex workers. Don't take american communists (aka people with advanced/severe mental retardation) seriously.
It's a dumb, tinfoil take who has no ground in reality. This is the kind of retarded shit that IT and other harassers get to see and get to laugh at incels.
At least appear to try and keep it real?
There's so much science behind the blackpill and inceldom overall - this kind of thing isn't needed. Let's discuss facts, not fairytale.
Yeah... religion is pretty much distilled bluepill.
1. Thread is about how worldview impacts interpretation of reality and most people interpret things through self benefit and lense of their own value judgements
2. you reply because something you interpreted in my thread through the lens of your worldview does not fit your arbitrary personal value judgements (which are based on self-benefit)
Big Brain Moment
Extremely based thread. Also nice to see someone accurately understanding what the blackpill actually is. It always baffles me when people say the blackpill is "nihilistic" or "depressing"... Sure, if you're on the wrong side of the coin. But the fact that hot guys can slay as much as they can is a blackpill itself. To hot people and women, the blackpill is a godsend. Far from depressing or nihilistic. It explains how they've won at life.
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There’s no point.
That's interesting
What did they say about it?
Edit: Though not 100% sure about 'inherent in communist ideas.' Maybe in Marxism, but Marx himself characterized the initial form of modern communism as somewhat similar to the egalitarian/state-sponsored gf demands people have here:
Apparently communism was invented by Marxist-Rodgerists jfl
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Marx:
How Marx and Engels fought for women’s liberation
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were champions of women’s liberation, both in theory and in practice, in public and in private.1 Important work has already been published exploring both Marx’s and Engels’s writings about women and the family, and developing… Continue Reading →
isj.org.uk
Hal Draper: Marx and Engels on Women's Liberation (July 1970)
Hal Draper: Marx and Engels on Women's Liberation (July 1970)
www.marxists.org
Engels and Marx in The Communist Manifest from 1848.
Engels, 1884, from his book "The Origin of the Family"
There are also other quotes from later communists that are even more explicit:
>How Marx and Engels fought for women’s liberation
of course it's the jew
of course it's the jew
everytime
Good thread brocel
High IQ post OP.
Yeah, ig Marx + Engels claimed to lionize foids because foids were 'oppressed' and 'weak,' so their struggle was more historically important according to Marxism. A bit like Gandhi, 'I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.' He talked about judging, 'The greatness of a nation and its moral progress,' by how it treats weak and helpless creatures.Marx:
How Marx and Engels fought for women’s liberation
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were champions of women’s liberation, both in theory and in practice, in public and in private.1 Important work has already been published exploring both Marx’s and Engels’s writings about women and the family, and developing… Continue Reading →isj.org.uk
Hal Draper: Marx and Engels on Women's Liberation (July 1970)
Hal Draper: Marx and Engels on Women's Liberation (July 1970)www.marxists.org
Engels and Marx in The Communist Manifest from 1848.
Engels, 1884, from his book "The Origin of the Family"
There are also other quotes from later communists that are even more explicit:
Quite possible that Marx's wife, an activist, was also pulling the strings there
Even though Marx and Engels claimed to have an elaborate historical theory that eschewed abstract values like simply 'fighting oppression' or seeking 'equality,' their theory of communism was still based on these values. Fetishizing people who are weak and oppressed is quite central to Marxism, it's why modern Marxists love trannies so much. In fact, most modern Marxists in the West are either tranny or gay, despite Engels having been quite snide and derogatory about gay rights activism.
Marxism makes a cult out of helplessness, weakness and oppression olympics, in a narrative where oppressed hero demographics rise up against evil tyrants
No surprise then that Marxist nations have been full of people starving to death in famine
Dominancy... interesting.
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Most incels are ethnic and failed mentalcel white ltn combined with povertycels, all the the normies ILR end up happily betabuxxing in their 30's with their wageslave jobs.
Normies live by Slave morality
There is a term for these goyim puppets-Useful idiots
lol normies are just obedient drones with no critical thought. Chads I know IRL are blackpilled asf
Don’t fucking bother and out yourself I laugh when my blue pilled normshit “friends” who I’m usually using them for one thing or another anyway or to get closer to the hole in the friend group say blue pilled bul shit I just agree and ignore it
Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled
Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.
Stay Tuned.
1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.
I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.
My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.
There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.
I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.
1. Normies Do Not Understand Us
Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.
For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.
(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)
Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?
It's clearly not about a lack of good information.
What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.
But first, definitions my friends:
2. What the blackpill is:
The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.
That's it. That's the blackpill.
3. What the blackpill is not:
- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.
In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.
A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.
What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!
Maybe it has already...
You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.
It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.
No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.
Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.
This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.
Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:
a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.
However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.
If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:
Self-serving bias - Wikipedia
Fundamental attribution error - Wikipedia
Depressive realism - Wikipedia
b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.
c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."
They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.
As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.
Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.
One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.
Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."
With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."
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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.
For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."
Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA
Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):
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Please look at the above picture.
Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.
Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.
Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.
One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.
So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.
Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.
The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:
The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.
You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.
As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"
Bernays - Propaganda.pdf
PROPAGANDA By EDWARD L. BERNAYS. 1928. CONTENTS I. ORGANIZING CHAOS .................................................. 9. II. THE NEW PROPAGANDA ............................................ 19. III. THE NEW PROPAGANDISTS. 32. IV. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PUBLIC RELATIONS. 47. V. BUSINESS AND THE...
What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:
Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.
Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:
Just lol.
Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.
Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.
Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.
To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:
Source:
- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)
None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.
Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."
The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.
When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.
We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.
At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:
View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928
This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.
From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.
In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.
"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot
This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.
Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.
Stanley Milgram - Obedience to Authority_ An Experimental View-Tavistock Publications Ltd (1974).pdf
View and download Stanley Milgram - Obedience to Authority_ An Experimental View-Tavistock Publications Ltd (1974).pdf on DocDroid
They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).
Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.
The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with
- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont
It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later
Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.
So from their perspective, the blackpill is...
-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.
This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"
None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.
They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"
This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.
Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.
If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements
This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather
- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")
Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.
By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.
For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.
This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.
Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.
People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.
Signaling virtuous victimhood as indicators of Dark Triad personalities - PubMed
We investigate the consequences and predictors of emitting signals of victimhood and virtue. In our first three studies, we show that the virtuous victim signal can facilitate nonreciprocal resource transfer from others to the signaler. Next, we develop and validate a victim signaling scale that...
One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.
And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.
You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.
But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.
Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.
The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?
This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.
To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:
- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these
Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?
a) Yvetlana Vasin
View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93
Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:
St. Petersburg Women for Marriage | Meet Your Future Bride
Meet genuine ladies who are looking for love. Register NOW for free and start browsing the profiles of potential partners here at St. Petersburg Women.saint-petersburg-women.com
So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.
b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8
Then gets a nosejob (lookism):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU
c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits
Reddit - Dive into anything
On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.
And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.
Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.
Men vs. Women: Plastic Surgery Statistics - Crown Valley Cosmetic Surgery
Although it might seem that men are catching up quickly, when it comes to having plastic surgery, this is still a woman’s game by a very large margin. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) reveals from its 2014 plastic surgery statistics that women accounted for 92% of all cosmetic...
d) QOVESStudio
Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.
e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."
So looks suddenly matter?
f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.
Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.
"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."
Research Guides: Consumer Advertising During the Great Depression: A Resource Guide: Gender and Advertising
This guide explores primary and secondary sources that examine the advertising industry from 1929 to 1933, including advertising agencies, consumer protection groups, and topical sources on gender, race, and radio in advertising.
"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"
The Purchasing Power of Women: Statistics | Girlpower Marketing
Women control over $20 trillion in world-wide spending. Learn more about the purchasing power of women, from Millennials to Baby Boomers, in various markets
This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.
This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."
So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.
g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO
The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.
So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.
They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.
When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.
They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.
If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.
Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.
5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled
Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.
To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:
a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.
b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.
Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.
They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.
View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032
In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:
Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"
I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.
Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.
In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.
Masculinity is an actual social construct and More - Studies
"You're not a real woman!" Said no one ever. Why? Why does that only work on men? The answer is two-fold 1. women have inherent value, you can't loose your woman card because being a woman is synonymous with having female flesh. 2. masculinity as its propagated by women and society largely...
We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.
The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.
The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.
I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.
It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:
The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.
- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.
everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.
There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!
You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.
Another thing to consider:
- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us
To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:
I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.
Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.
And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.
@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):
blackpill is like believing in bible and god.
only you can find it in yourself to accept reality
Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled
Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.
Stay Tuned.
1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.
I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.
My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.
There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.
I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.
1. Normies Do Not Understand Us
Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.
For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.
(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)
Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?
It's clearly not about a lack of good information.
What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.
But first, definitions my friends:
2. What the blackpill is:
The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.
That's it. That's the blackpill.
3. What the blackpill is not:
- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.
In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.
A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.
What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!
Maybe it has already...
You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.
It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.
No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.
Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.
This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.
Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:
a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.
However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.
If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:
Self-serving bias - Wikipedia
Fundamental attribution error - Wikipedia
Depressive realism - Wikipedia
b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.
c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."
They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.
As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.
Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.
One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.
Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."
With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."
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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.
For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."
Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA
Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):
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Please look at the above picture.
Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.
Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.
Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.
One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.
So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.
Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.
The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:
The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.
You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.
As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"
Bernays - Propaganda.pdf
PROPAGANDA By EDWARD L. BERNAYS. 1928. CONTENTS I. ORGANIZING CHAOS .................................................. 9. II. THE NEW PROPAGANDA ............................................ 19. III. THE NEW PROPAGANDISTS. 32. IV. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PUBLIC RELATIONS. 47. V. BUSINESS AND THE...
What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:
Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.
Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:
Just lol.
Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.
Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.
Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.
To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:
Source:
- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)
None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.
Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."
The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.
When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.
We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.
At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:
View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928
This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.
From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.
In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.
"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot
This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.
Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.
Stanley Milgram - Obedience to Authority_ An Experimental View-Tavistock Publications Ltd (1974).pdf
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They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).
Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.
The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with
- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont
It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later
Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.
So from their perspective, the blackpill is...
-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.
This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"
None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.
They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"
This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.
Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.
If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements
This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather
- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")
Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.
By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.
For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.
This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.
Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.
People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.
Signaling virtuous victimhood as indicators of Dark Triad personalities - PubMed
We investigate the consequences and predictors of emitting signals of victimhood and virtue. In our first three studies, we show that the virtuous victim signal can facilitate nonreciprocal resource transfer from others to the signaler. Next, we develop and validate a victim signaling scale that...
One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.
And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.
You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.
But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.
Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.
The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?
This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.
To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:
- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these
Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?
a) Yvetlana Vasin
View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93
Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:
St. Petersburg Women for Marriage | Meet Your Future Bride
Meet genuine ladies who are looking for love. Register NOW for free and start browsing the profiles of potential partners here at St. Petersburg Women.saint-petersburg-women.com
So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.
b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8
Then gets a nosejob (lookism):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU
c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits
Reddit - Dive into anything
On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.
And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.
Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.
Men vs. Women: Plastic Surgery Statistics - Crown Valley Cosmetic Surgery
Although it might seem that men are catching up quickly, when it comes to having plastic surgery, this is still a woman’s game by a very large margin. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) reveals from its 2014 plastic surgery statistics that women accounted for 92% of all cosmetic...
d) QOVESStudio
Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.
e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."
So looks suddenly matter?
f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.
Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.
"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."
Research Guides: Consumer Advertising During the Great Depression: A Resource Guide: Gender and Advertising
This guide explores primary and secondary sources that examine the advertising industry from 1929 to 1933, including advertising agencies, consumer protection groups, and topical sources on gender, race, and radio in advertising.
"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"
The Purchasing Power of Women: Statistics | Girlpower Marketing
Women control over $20 trillion in world-wide spending. Learn more about the purchasing power of women, from Millennials to Baby Boomers, in various markets
This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.
This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."
So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.
g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO
The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.
So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.
They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.
When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.
They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.
If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.
Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.
5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled
Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.
To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:
a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.
b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.
Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.
They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.
View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032
In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:
Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"
I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.
Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.
In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.
Masculinity is an actual social construct and More - Studies
"You're not a real woman!" Said no one ever. Why? Why does that only work on men? The answer is two-fold 1. women have inherent value, you can't loose your woman card because being a woman is synonymous with having female flesh. 2. masculinity as its propagated by women and society largely...
We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.
The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.
The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.
I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.
It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:
The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.
- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.
everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.
There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!
You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.
Another thing to consider:
- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us
To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:
I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.
Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.
And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.
@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies
mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):
Saved, followed, read every word. The amount of effort you put into this impressive and you’re a gift to the board mate. People like you and @WorthlessSlavicShit genuinely carry the forum.
High IQ read and the links you provided are appreciated as well.
I agree completely that “most people” are beyond reach of convincing because of the fallacies you stated. Basically:
1) Men, especially older men now or younger Chads, who “got theirs” simply don’t care about fixing a broken system and cannot relate to the troubles the majority of men are now having. And men tend to compete with each other rather than cooperate in our current system at least. Any solution will likely need to come from young men same as it has throughout history.
2) For women they will always, always oppose the blackpill all the way down purely as a matter of self interest. The cold hard truth is irrelevant they want to maximize their own power and station within society and convince people to support whatever world view and policies will get them there. Well, maybe in an environment where they were raised to understand these things from an early age and in a society with different expectations for them things would be different.
Men can sometimes be convinced, I was one of them. In fact most of us were indoctrinated with a bluepill pro feminist world view very early on and as different religions all over the world show for example, whatever you’re raised to believe “usually” sticks. Indoctrination and propaganda appear to work on most people. Men become more susceptible to the truth after they’ve lived it though and if they have the ability to value their own observation over what the tribe is drilling into their head.
If our group actually held positions of power and authority or controlled the media engines and social media giants long term then over the course of years you could do the exact same thing the top is doing now to warp public perception more favorably to this worldview it’s just we can’t do that and those in power have an iron grip. I’m not even saying that would be a good thing to do but I am saying that’s definitely what the current western regime has been doing to their people.
Anyway all that to say I think we should keep trying to blackpill normies but focus those efforts on men specifically and honestly we should probably come up with a refined master document with some simple strong data sets and talking points that will allow us to win brief engagements. People do not change their minds the first time it takes repeated exposure over years sometimes to adjust their views. It took me 3 years to deconvert from the religion I was raised in for example. 3 years and it couldn’t have been done without others writing books and trying to talk about those things either.
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