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Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled



Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.

Stay Tuned.

1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies

Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.

I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.

My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.

There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.

I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.

1. Normies Do Not Understand Us


Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.

For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.

(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)

Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?

It's clearly not about a lack of good information.

What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.

But first, definitions my friends:

2. What the blackpill is:


The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.


That's it. That's the blackpill.

3. What the blackpill is not:


- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.

In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.

A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.

What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!

Maybe it has already...

You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.

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It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?

4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us


Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.

No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.

Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.

This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.

Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:

a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.

However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.

If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:


b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.

c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."

They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.

As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.

Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.

One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.

Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."

With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."

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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.

For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."

Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA




Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):

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Please look at the above picture.

Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.

Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.

Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.

One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.

So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.

Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.

The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:

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The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.

You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.

As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"




What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:

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Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.


Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:



Just lol.


Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.

Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.

Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.

To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:



Source:

- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)

None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.

Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."

The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.

When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.

We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.

At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:


View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928


This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.

From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.

In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.

"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot

This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.

Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.


They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).


Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.

Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.

The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with

- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont

It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later :D

Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.

So from their perspective, the blackpill is...

-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.

This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"

None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.

They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"

This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.

Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.

If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements ;) - you only think its derogatory because you think children are retarded and you dont value them OH NOOO YOU DONT WANT TO THINK THAT DO YOU? BAD BAAD)

This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather

- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")

Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.

By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.

For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.

This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.

Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.

People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.


One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.

And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.

You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.

But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.

Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.

The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?

This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.

To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:


- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these

Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?


a) Yvetlana Vasin

View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93


Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:

So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.

b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8


Then gets a nosejob (lookism):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU


c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits

On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.

And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.

Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.




d) QOVESStudio

Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.

e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."

So looks suddenly matter?


f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.

Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.

"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."

"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"


This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.

This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."

So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.


g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO

The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.


So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.

They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.

When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.

They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.

If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.

Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.

5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled


Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.

To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:

a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.

b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.

Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.

They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.


View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032


In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:

Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"

I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.

Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.

In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.



We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.

The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.

The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.

I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.

It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:

The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.

- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.


everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.


There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!


You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.

Another thing to consider:

- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us

To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.

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6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:


I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.

Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.

And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.


@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel

7. Mega.nz link with some goodies


mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):


Must read.
 
reading stuff like this makes coping with being a KHHV loner a bit easier. you realize how involving a foid in your life transforms it into living hell in 99% of the time

also the stuff about most people here being foid worshippers who argue with each other is too true. im one of the few who don't and it's painful to see all the simps here
 
Put this in the must-read section jannies
 
Haven't read something this long in a while. You put it pretty well together it was interesting to read good job
 
Another high IQ thread by the OG himself. Just amazing iq shit.

Whatever fuck up your parents were, they created an IQ animal, i really think you should write a book about the Blackpill. I consider myself blackpilled yet always get surprised when i dive into it, there is no end to the rabbit hole.

I cant add much, but i will add one huge final blackpill:

At the end of the day, all those normies tactics are really good, they work effectively, they really work, 90% people buy it, propaganda works !

So like you said, there are no solutions. Just accept you are born into bondage, and you are utterly powerless.

Maybe its evil, maybe its mother nature filtering out the trash, either way things cant be changed. Didnt change when Schpenhauer wrote his books, didnt change when Jesus died, evil is the natural way. And will always be.
 
reading stuff like this makes coping with being a KHHV loner a bit easier. you realize how involving a foid in your life transforms it into living hell in 99% of the time

also the stuff about most people here being foid worshippers who argue with each other is too true. im one of the few who don't and it's painful to see all the simps here
When incels rejected MGTOW, they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, they are fucking copers, but they there were pearls in there.
One of their most important observations was just how bad relationships in general are for men. Even good looking men. They are just horrendous and its a very one sided affair. But even on here, you see people chasing relationships. If anything, you should chase raw sexual encounters. Relationships only exists in the head of the dude anyway, hes in love with a fantasy of what he thinks the woman next to him is.

And she plays into it. I could go into it, there are even women talking about it. Men are in love with their projections of what women are. And women know this and knowingly fake male attributes to attract men. Hence MGTOW coined the term "chameleon" to describe foids. Incels didnt coin that term since they have zero experience with the utter horror of actually being with a foid.

So yes. I honestly cant see myself being in a relationship ever. Its pure suffering, I have never seen a successful one and in every single case, the foid is dominant, not the guy. In fact at this point Ive come to believe that to even be in a relationship without wanting to rope, you have to be an extreme foid worshipper. Its a form of complete self-denial. Denying your feelings, your doubts about her, about female nature, denying your needs, denying your boundaries etc...

Its masochism and most dudes in relationships have stockholm syndrome for the bitch.
 
Another high IQ thread by the OG himself. Just amazing iq shit.

Whatever fuck up your parents were, they created an IQ animal, i really think you should write a book about the Blackpill. I consider myself blackpilled yet always get surprised when i dive into it, there is no end to the rabbit hole.

I cant add much, but i will add one huge final blackpill:

At the end of the day, all those normies tactics are really good, they work effectively, they really work, 90% people buy it, propaganda works !

So like you said, there are no solutions. Just accept you are born into bondage, and you are utterly powerless.

Maybe its evil, maybe its mother nature filtering out the trash, either way things cant be changed. Didnt change when Schpenhauer wrote his books, didnt change when Jesus died, evil is the natural way. And will always be.
It never changes. Mans problem is not education, money, healthcare. Thats all cope. There is something deeply wrong with people and nothing on this earth can fix that. There is a law working in all of us that we cant control, like a disease.
Seraphim Rose writes about the suffering of this world:

It has, of course, been a primary intention of Nihilism to abolish Hell and the fear of Hell from men's
minds, and no one can doubt their success; Hell has become, for most people today, a folly and a
superstition, if not a "sadistic" fantasy. Even those who still believe in the Liberal "heaven" have no
room in their universe for any kind of Hell.
Yet, strangely, modern men have an understanding of Hell that they do have not of Heaven; the word
and the concept have a prominent place in contemporary art and thought. No sensitive observer is
unaware that men, in the Nihilist era more than ever before, have made of earth an image of Hell; and
those who are aware of dwelling in the Abyss do not hesitate to call their state Hell.

The torture and miseries of this life are indeed a foretaste of Hell, even as the joys of a Christian life--joys which the
Nihilist cannot even imagine, so remote are they from his experience-are a foretaste of Heaven.

Another quote from Seraphim Rose:
To end our discussion of Nihilism on such a note as this is, surely, to lay ourselves open to the charge
that we possess a Nihilism of our own; our analysis, it may be argued, is "pessimistic" in the extreme.
Categorically rejecting almost everything held valuable and true by modern man, we seem to be as
thorough in denial as the most extreme of Nihilists.

And indeed the Christian is, in a certain sense--in an ultimate sense--a "Nihilist"; for to him, in the end,
the world is nothing, and God is all. This is, of course, the precise opposite of the Nihilism we have
examined here, where God is nothing and the world is all; that is a Nihilism that proceeds from the
Abyss, and the Christian's is a "Nihilism" that proceeds from abundance.

The true Nihilist places his
faith in things that pass away and end in nothing; all "optimism" on this foundation is clearly futile. The
Christian, renouncing such vanity places his faith in the one thing that will not pass away, the Kingdom
of God.

To him who lives in Christ, of course, many of the goods of this world may be given back, and he may
enjoy them even while realizing their evanescence; but they are not needful, they are truly nothing to
him. He who does not live in Christ, on the other hand, already lives in the Abyss, and not all the
treasures of this world can ever fill his emptiness.
 
normies are retarded

took you long enough to learn not to speak to normans

the eternal normalfag

either way, good thread
I have autism so it took a while. I had to learn everything manually, by reading books about and cross-referencing my experiences with other autistic people.
 
Life and experience with women is what a lot of people need to be blackpilled.

This is why I say the average Chad is probably more blackpilled than the average "incel" because they're actually living through blackpill realities every day, albeit on the privileged side.

Often you only see people get blackpilled when they have a experience that renders the benefit of blackpill reality to be at least as great as the "benefit" of simply denying it.

Normies who get into serious accidents and become deformed, normies get Norwood-pilled and go from Chad to the creepy janitor in a few years, etc.

Shit, a lot people here probably wouldn't be blackpill if not for hard experience and negative reinforcement/learned helplessness.
Correct
 
These are the kind of posts which the forum is missing. Too many low effort postmaxers and other spamposting idiots

A must-read worthy - I really like the part where you mention Kohlberg's moral stages, self-serving bias and victimhood virtue signalling. For a person to allow their actions and choices to be dictated by a punishment-reward system, is a tale old as human civilization itself. It is undisputably the best proven method to maintain social order and mass compliance. At the end of the day, people need to be controlled and made into convergent thinkers in order to maintain social order; divergent thinkers are always a danger to status quo

Like the Thought Police in 1984 - To be told what you are and aren't allowed to think, that is the system by which most normies and other NT androids operate
. Like Nietzsche's system of master-slave morality --- In the eyes of bluepillers, only what is helpful to them can be good, only what is harmful to them can be bad. They conflate "righteousness" with "pleasure" or "comfort", and conflate "evil" or "wrong" with "sadness", "bitterness" and "discomfort". But some things that make one feel entertained can make another feel scared or miserable. As everyone seems to have their own preferences, you eventually see a clash between collective consciousness bias and anything that appears to be against their sense of righteousness (e.g. scientific blackpill data vs. bluepilled NT minds). Thus you find NT androids who can't see past their own bias to see objective data for what it objectively is. Instead they will attack the data with moralist rhetoric or virtue-signalling (e.g. might is right), or will attack the messanger by questioning their moral stance on the matter, or just straight to using adhominems (like the catalogue of anti-men shaming tactics which you cited). This dilemma is not exclusive to the topic of sex and dating. You'll see this pattern in other areas of discourse, such as religion, political affairs and even history or culture conflict

Only a very few people in humanity are capable of putting their cognitive self-serving biases aside to see objective reality for what it is. The more you critically analyze human behaviour - The clearer it becomes that most people are intellectually primitive in respect of logic, reason and practical ethics (including low effort postmaxers on this forum). They determine their sense of "right" and "wrong" by the opinions of others even when the axioms of their dogmatic system is clearly based on illogical reason. They react in a similar manner when their worldview biases are challenged by data (e.g. use of ad-hominems, assertion of "might is right"). They peristently cope with bluepilled garbage in spite of any evidence or logic that highlights the silliness of their bluepills. Most humans are intellectually flawed systems. If a "god" exists, clearly this "god" did not focus on fine-tuning the human's capacity for reason & intelligence
 
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These are the kind of posts which the forum is missing. Too many low effort postmaxers and other spamposting idiots

A must-read worthy - I really like the part where you mention Kohlberg's moral stages, self-serving bias and victimhood virtue signalling. For a person to allow their actions and choices to be dictated by a punishment-reward system, is a tale old as human civilization itself. It is undisputably the best proven method to maintain social order and mass compliance. At the end of the day, people need to be controlled and made into convergent thinkers in order to maintain social order; divergent thinkers are always a danger to status quo

Like the Thought Police in 1984 - To be told what you are and aren't allowed to think, that is the system by which most normies and other NT androids operate
. Like Nietzsche's system of master-slave morality --- In the eyes of bluepillers, only what is helpful to them can be good, only what is harmful to them can be bad. They conflate "righteousness" with "pleasure" or "comfort", and conflate "evil" or "wrong" with "sadness", "bitterness" and "discomfort". But some things that make one feel entertained can make another feel scared or miserable. As everyone seems to have their own preferences, you eventually see a clash between collective consciousness bias and anything that appears to be against their sense of righteousness (e.g. scientific blackpill data vs. bluepilled NT minds). Thus you find NT androids who can't see past their own bias to see objective data for what it objectively is. Instead they will attack the data with moralist rhetoric or virtue-signalling (e.g. might is right), or will attack the messanger by questioning their moral stance on the matter, or just straight to using adhominems (like the catalogue of anti-men shaming tactics which you cited). This dilemma is not exclusive to the topic of sex and dating. You'll see this pattern in other areas of discourse, such as religion, political affairs and even history or culture conflict

Only a very few people in humanity are capable of putting their cognitive self-serving biases aside to see objective reality for what it is. The more you critically analyze human behaviour - The clearer it becomes that most people are intellectually primitive in respect of logic, reason and practical ethics (including low effort postmaxers on this forum). They determine their sense of "right" and "wrong" by the opinions of others even when the axioms of their dogmatic system is clearly based on illogical reason. They react in a similar manner when their worldview biases are challenged by data (e.g. use of ad-hominems, assertion of "might is right"). They peristently cope with bluepilled garbage in spite of any evidence or logic that highlights the silliness of their bluepills. Most humans are intellectually flawed systems. If a "god" exists, clearly this "god" did not focus on fine-tuning the human's capacity for reason & intelligence
One really interesting thing I sometimes think about is the illusion of individuality.
If individualism was so ubiquitous, how come so many people got vaccinated?
How come marketing exists at all?
How come civilization exists?

All of these presuppose a giga high level of social conformity and also predictability.
We are all in systems. Everything is system based. Once you start thinking in terms of systems, life makes much more sense.
Often times people mistake a systematic trend in society that they get swept up in, with individual changes in themselves.
Society is a moving system and we are swimming inside it.

Ironically, once you start thinking like this, you become more individualistic. That's another thing about this world, the inverse is often true.
Like, when you think you are an individual, you interpret reality as if you are making choices without being influenced.
But when you think you are part of larger systems, trends etc... you start seeing the same and your place in them -> aka you become a self-aware individual.

I think this is part of why the elite is promoting the idea of individualism to people - "be the change" etc...
Because it leads to exactly the opposite of individualism, total group think.
There are so many people out there right now, thinking they are vigilantes, heroes, counter-culture... meanwhile their entire movements are sponsored by the likes of Monsanto, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Cargill etc... (vegan movement and enviornmental movements are good example).

Trannies too. They literally think they are a marginalized group when the entire system supports them.

A good book that kind of tackles this is called "Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon" by Dave McGowan.
The TLDR of it is that the entire 60s counter culture was essentially fabricated. Many of the "counter-culture" rebels and musicians like Jimmy Hendrix and Jim Morrison of the Doors, had military connections.

PDF here:


Culture creation, Group Think, Cults, Movements, Terror Organizations etc... - Governments have a high interest in all of these.
This is why I wrote, the blackpill does not end at dating and relationships. Its an endless pit, there is so much info.

Just think about how Women are extremely susceptible to manipulation, compared to men.
Hence, 80-90% of customer purchases are done by them, as I cited.
- this explains why super markets are so fucking annoying to men
- this explains who buys all the garbage in them
Another reason is this:

“Women chat happily, send sexually explicit signals and encourage the man’s attention, even if
they have absolutely no interest in him. This gives a woman time to assess a man, says [Karl
Grammer of the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute of Urban Ethology in Vienna, who studied 45
male-female pairs of strangers in their teens and early twenties]… Importantly, the women also
seemed to control the encounter – what the women did had a direct effect on what the men did
next. ‘You can predict male behaviour from female behaviour but not the other way around,’
says Grammer”
– New Scientist Magazine (London), February 14, 2001

Women behavior can be used to predict and control male behavior. This is why the elite focuses on women as a control mechanism for society.
Even Marx and Engels supposedly said similar things and hence there is an element of sexual liberation inherent in communist ideas.
Once you get the women rolling, the men follow suit.

Anyway, enough of this. Thank you for your reply, I greatly appreciate high effort, in depth responses like that.
 
My sole purpose is complete my job by winning.
 
When incels rejected MGTOW, they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, they are fucking copers, but they there were pearls in there.
One of their most important observations was just how bad relationships in general are for men. Even good looking men. They are just horrendous and its a very one sided affair. But even on here, you see people chasing relationships. If anything, you should chase raw sexual encounters. Relationships only exists in the head of the dude anyway, hes in love with a fantasy of what he thinks the woman next to him is.

And she plays into it. I could go into it, there are even women talking about it. Men are in love with their projections of what women are. And women know this and knowingly fake male attributes to attract men. Hence MGTOW coined the term "chameleon" to describe foids. Incels didnt coin that term since they have zero experience with the utter horror of actually being with a foid.

So yes. I honestly cant see myself being in a relationship ever. Its pure suffering, I have never seen a successful one and in every single case, the foid is dominant, not the guy. In fact at this point Ive come to believe that to even be in a relationship without wanting to rope, you have to be an extreme foid worshipper. Its a form of complete self-denial. Denying your feelings, your doubts about her, about female nature, denying your needs, denying your boundaries etc...

Its masochism and most dudes in relationships have stockholm syndrome for the bitch.
This thread is gold.

I’m on Instagram and I get recommended normie relationship material, and I am stunned in how much of it the man totally submits to the woman.
 
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If a "god" exists, clearly this "god" did not focus on fine-tuning the human's capacity for reason & intelligence

If you look at the Bible, God always hates people who question things and wants to seek more. Lucifer, Lilith, Cain, Adam and Eve in the Garden, the people who questioned Moses, etc.
 
This thread is gold.

I’m on Instagram and I get recommended normie relationship material, and I am stunned in how much of it the man is totally submitted to the woman.
yep.
Women are socially dominant. Not men.
Everything in this world is upside down.
Power is never concentrated where it is the most obvious.
Men are generally believed to be in charge, strong, in control of themselves and other peoples lives.

But upon inspection it turns out that women control men.
That women are less emotional even. Men are hopelessly idealistic and romantic.
Women make very calculated moves and they don't take no for an answer.
They are materialistic too.
But we deliberately misconstrue their shallow display of overt emotion as "being more emotional."
In reality they just use displays of emotion as a weapon to manipulate and control

Everyone who has sisters knows this. They cry and act out, but stop immediately if they dont get what they want. Its fake.

Just read the title of this video and look at the thumbnail:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMv9PljLC7o


How many men could do this?
This average woman can summon a small army of guys and make them embarrass themselves in public.
As a single man, you are utterly powerless.

Further, women operate in networks as a hivemind. So this power multiplies with each successive foid in the network, until we arrive at the final conclusion: Every man in society is controlled by some woman.
Boom. Matriarchy.
 
Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:
they say looks don't matter because all the sub 7 women are coping, but not because they can't get guys, it's because they compete with each other, and then they virtue signal to men by saying "looks don't matter"
 
Further, women operate in networks as a hivemind. So this power multiplies with each successive foid in the network, until we arrive at the final conclusion: Every man in society is controlled by some woman.
Boom. Matriarchy.
exactly, but because women control men, the men can't possibly take back control because they are being controlled by the women... it's like a softlock in a video game
 
they say looks don't matter because all the sub 7 women are coping, but not because they can't get guys, it's because they compete with each other, and then they virtue signal to men by saying "looks don't matter"
exactly, but because women control men, the men can't possibly take back control because they are being controlled by the women... it's like a softlock in a video game

yes indeed what an insightful replies you have made to my thread muahahahah :bigbrain: :bigbrain: :bigbrain: :bigbrain:
ah. ha ha, a new word, yes, i shall add it to my tomes of mystery..."softlock" yess, delicious, rolls right of the tongue,... like my enemies eyeballs lololol....:feelshehe::feelshehe::feelshehe:

My faithful servant, my herald, you have served me well,
glory to you... and your house

 
yes indeed what an insightful replies you have made to my thread muahahahah :bigbrain: :bigbrain: :bigbrain: :bigbrain:
ah. ha ha, a new word, yes, i shall add it to my tomes of mystery..."softlock" yess, delicious, rolls right of the tongue,... like my enemies eyeballs lololol....:feelshehe::feelshehe::feelshehe:

My faithful servant, my herald, you have served me well,
glory to you... and your house

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Women behavior can be used to predict and control male behavior. This is why the elite focuses on women as a control mechanism for society.
Finally. Somebody else fucking gets it.
 
I don’t agree that a Christian worldview can incorporate the blackpill since the blackpill is about looking at the world from an objective logical viewpoint whereas christcucks believe in morals and shit which are inherently subjective, can change over time and therefore not logical.
 
and how most Incels are not Blackpilled

Being blackpilled isn't a requirement to be an incel.
 
Women behavior can be used to predict and control male behavior. This is why the elite focuses on women as a control mechanism for society.
Even Marx and Engels supposedly said similar things and hence there is an element of sexual liberation inherent in communist ideas.
Once you get the women rolling, the men follow suit.

Dumb take, tbh

The fact that marx & engels believed and support this rubbish - both were failures who are only followed by failures (lazy, incompetent and weak lefties who can't even feed themselves most of the time) is a clear sign it's bullshit

And commies aren't "pro sexual liberation". They consider it unproductive and distracting to the revolution to the point they even persecuted sex workers. Don't take american communists (aka people with advanced/severe mental retardation) seriously.
 
Finally. Somebody else fucking gets it.
It's a dumb, tinfoil take who has no ground in reality. This is the kind of retarded shit that IT and other harassers get to see and get to laugh at incels.

At least appear to try and keep it real?

There's so much science behind the blackpill and inceldom overall - this kind of thing isn't needed. Let's discuss facts, not fairytale.
 
I don’t agree that a Christian worldview can incorporate the blackpill since the blackpill is about looking at the world from an objective logical viewpoint whereas christcucks believe in morals and shit which are inherently subjective, can change over time and therefore not logical.
Yeah... religion is pretty much distilled bluepill.
 
Being blackpilled isn't a requirement to be an incel.
Dumb take, tbh

The fact that marx & engels believed and support this rubbish - both were failures who are only followed by failures (lazy, incompetent and weak lefties who can't even feed themselves most of the time) is a clear sign it's bullshit

And commies aren't "pro sexual liberation". They consider it unproductive and distracting to the revolution to the point they even persecuted sex workers. Don't take american communists (aka people with advanced/severe mental retardation) seriously.
It's a dumb, tinfoil take who has no ground in reality. This is the kind of retarded shit that IT and other harassers get to see and get to laugh at incels.

At least appear to try and keep it real?

There's so much science behind the blackpill and inceldom overall - this kind of thing isn't needed. Let's discuss facts, not fairytale.
1. Thread is about how worldview impacts interpretation of reality and most people interpret things through self benefit and lense of their own value judgements

2. you reply because something you interpreted in my thread through the lens of your worldview does not fit your arbitrary personal value judgements (which are based on self-benefit)

Big Brain Moment
 
Extremely based thread. Also nice to see someone accurately understanding what the blackpill actually is. It always baffles me when people say the blackpill is "nihilistic" or "depressing"... Sure, if you're on the wrong side of the coin. But the fact that hot guys can slay as much as they can is a blackpill itself. To hot people and women, the blackpill is a godsend. Far from depressing or nihilistic. It explains how they've won at life.
 
Extremely based thread. Also nice to see someone accurately understanding what the blackpill actually is. It always baffles me when people say the blackpill is "nihilistic" or "depressing"... Sure, if you're on the wrong side of the coin. But the fact that hot guys can slay as much as they can is a blackpill itself. To hot people and women, the blackpill is a godsend. Far from depressing or nihilistic. It explains how they've won at life.
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This image describes it the most accurately tbh
 
Women behavior can be used to predict and control male behavior. This is why the elite focuses on women as a control mechanism for society.
Even Marx and Engels supposedly said similar things and hence there is an element of sexual liberation inherent in communist ideas.
Once you get the women rolling, the men follow suit.
That's interesting

What did they say about it?

Edit: Though not 100% sure about 'inherent in communist ideas.' Maybe in Marxism, but Marx himself characterized the initial form of modern communism as somewhat similar to the egalitarian/state-sponsored gf demands people have here:

[T]his movement of opposing universal private property to private property finds expression in the brutish form of opposing to marriage (certainly a form of exclusive private property) the community of women, in which a woman becomes a piece of communal and common property. It may be said that this idea of the community of women gives away the secret of this as yet completely crude and thoughtless communism. Just as woman passes from marriage to general prostitution, so the entire world of wealth (that is, of man’s objective substance) passes from the relationship of exclusive marriage with the owner of private property to a state of universal prostitution with the community. This type of communism – since it negates the personality of man in every sphere – is but the logical expression of private property, which is this negation. General envy constituting itself as a power is the disguise in which greed re-establishes itself and satisfies itself, only in another way. The thought of every piece of private property as such is at least turned against wealthier private property in the form of envy and the urge to reduce things to a common level, so that this envy and urge even constitute the essence of competition. Crude communism [the manuscript has: Kommunist. – Ed.] is only the culmination of this envy and of this levelling-down proceeding from the preconceived minimum.
Apparently communism was invented by Marxist-Rodgerists jfl
 
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That's interesting

What did they say about it?
Marx:
Great progress was evident in the last Congress of the American labour union in that, among other things, it treated working women with complete equality. While in this respect the English and still more the gallant French, are burdened with a spirit of narrow-mindedness. Anybody who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the “fair sex” (the ugly ones included).

The degree of emancipation of woman is the natural measure of general emancipation.”

The nucleus, the first form of [property] lies in the family, where wife and children are slaves of the husband. This latent slavery in the family, though still very crude, is the first property ... [13]

"What is the present family based on? On
capitalism, the acquisition of private property... The bourgeois sees in his wife nothing but
production."
Engels and Marx in The Communist Manifest from 1848.

"The overthrow of mother was the world historical defeat of the female sex. The man took control
in the home also; the woman was degraded and reduced to servitude; she became the slave of his
lust and a mere instrument for the production of children.""
Engels, 1884, from his book "The Origin of the Family"

There are also other quotes from later communists that are even more explicit:

But you cannot draw the masses into politics without drawing in the women as well. For under capitalism the female half of the human race is doubly oppressed. The working woman and the peasant woman are oppressed by capital, but over and above that, even in the most democratic of the bourgeois republics, they remain, firstly, deprived of some rights because the law does not give them equality with men; and secondly—and this is the main thing—they remain in household bondage", they continue to be “household slaves", for they are overburdened with the drudgery of the most squalid, backbreaking and stultifying toil in the kitchen and the family household.
 
>How Marx and Engels fought for women’s liberation
of course it's the jew
 
Good thread brocel
 
Marx:







Engels and Marx in The Communist Manifest from 1848.


Engels, 1884, from his book "The Origin of the Family"

There are also other quotes from later communists that are even more explicit:


Yeah, ig Marx + Engels claimed to lionize foids because foids were 'oppressed' and 'weak,' so their struggle was more historically important according to Marxism. A bit like Gandhi, 'I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.' He talked about judging, 'The greatness of a nation and its moral progress,' by how it treats weak and helpless creatures.

Quite possible that Marx's wife, an activist, was also pulling the strings there

Even though Marx and Engels claimed to have an elaborate historical theory that eschewed abstract values like simply 'fighting oppression' or seeking 'equality,' their theory of communism was still based on these values. Fetishizing people who are weak and oppressed is quite central to Marxism, it's why modern Marxists love trannies so much. In fact, most modern Marxists in the West are either tranny or gay, despite Engels having been quite snide and derogatory about gay rights activism.

Marxism makes a cult out of helplessness, weakness and oppression olympics, in a narrative where oppressed hero demographics rise up against evil tyrants

No surprise then that Marxist nations have been full of people starving to death in famine
 
Most incels are ethnic and failed mentalcel white ltn combined with povertycels, all the the normies ILR end up happily betabuxxing in their 30's with their wageslave jobs.
 
Of course. Normies just believe in whatever popular thing they are told to believe and muh personality is no exception.
Normies live by Slave morality
 
There are so many people out there right now, thinking they are vigilantes, heroes, counter-culture... meanwhile their entire movements are sponsored by the likes of Monsanto, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Cargill etc... (vegan movement and enviornmental movements are good example).
There is a term for these goyim puppets-Useful idiots
 
lol normies are just obedient drones with no critical thought. Chads I know IRL are blackpilled asf
 
Don’t fucking bother and out yourself I laugh when my blue pilled normshit “friends” who I’m usually using them for one thing or another anyway or to get closer to the hole in the friend group say blue pilled bul shit I just agree and ignore it
 
Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled



Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.

Stay Tuned.

1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies

Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.

I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.

My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.

There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.

I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.

1. Normies Do Not Understand Us


Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.

For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.

(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)

Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?

It's clearly not about a lack of good information.

What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.

But first, definitions my friends:

2. What the blackpill is:


The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.


That's it. That's the blackpill.

3. What the blackpill is not:


- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.

In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.

A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.

What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!

Maybe it has already...

You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.

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It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?

4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us


Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.

No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.

Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.

This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.

Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:

a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.

However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.

If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:


b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.

c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."

They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.

As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.

Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.

One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.

Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."

With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."

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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.

For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."

Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA




Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):

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Please look at the above picture.

Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.

Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.

Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.

One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.

So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.

Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.

The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:

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The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.

You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.

As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"




What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:

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Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.


Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:



Just lol.


Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.

Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.

Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.

To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:



Source:

- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)

None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.

Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."

The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.

When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.

We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.

At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:


View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928


This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.

From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.

In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.

"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot

This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.

Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.


They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).


Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.

Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.

The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with

- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont

It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later :D

Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.

So from their perspective, the blackpill is...

-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.

This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"

None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.

They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"

This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.

Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.

If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements ;) - you only think its derogatory because you think children are retarded and you dont value them OH NOOO YOU DONT WANT TO THINK THAT DO YOU? BAD BAAD)

This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather

- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")

Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.

By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.

For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.

This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.

Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.

People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.


One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.

And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.

You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.

But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.

Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.

The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?

This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.

To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:


- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these

Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?


a) Yvetlana Vasin

View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93


Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:

So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.

b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8


Then gets a nosejob (lookism):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU


c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits

On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.

And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.

Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.




d) QOVESStudio

Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.

e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."

So looks suddenly matter?


f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.

Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.

"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."

"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"


This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.

This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."

So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.


g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO

The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.


So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.

They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.

When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.

They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.

If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.

Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.

5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled


Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.

To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:

a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.

b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.

Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.

They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.


View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032


In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:

Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"

I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.

Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.

In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.



We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.

The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.

The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.

I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.

It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:

The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.

- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.


everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.


There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!


You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.

Another thing to consider:

- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us

To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.

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6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:


I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.

Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.

And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.


@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel

7. Mega.nz link with some goodies


mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):


blackpill is like believing in bible and god.
only you can find it in yourself to accept reality
 
If your not chad its over for you!
 

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Why Blackpilling Normies Always Fails and how most Incels are not Blackpilled



Summary:
Blackpilling Normies always fails.
When Normies try to understand Incels, they never tackle the blackpill itself.
In this thread, we investigate the reasons behind this and shock everyone by exposing
how most incels are just turncoat Tonys, ready to drop the incel moniker in a hearbeat.

Stay Tuned.

1. Introduction: Normies Do Not Understand Us
2. What the Blackpill is
3. What the Blackpill is not
4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us
5. How a lot of Incels are not Blackpilled
6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders
7. Mega.nz link with some goodies

Blurp:
When I first took the blackpill I was excited to know the truth and tried to blackpill people in real life.
All I got was confusion, hostility, gaslighting, social consequences.
I then found out there was a subreddit called r/IncelTear that relentlessly denied the blackpill despite all the evidence.

I watched an IncelTV video someone called Brendio tried to give valid argumentation to the bluepillers he was talking to.
But all they did was mute him and moralfag before kicking him off the stream.
They did not even attempt to make any arguments themselves.

My biggest question was why?
How could they not even engage us when we had so much data on our side?
I've spent the last 5 months or so heavily thinking about this.

There is not much information on why people deny the blackpill so I took it upon myself to find out.
This thread is a collection of information I have come across to make sense of it all.

I hope that this thread gives a good outline to why we get gaslighted about the blackpill.
Thankyou for reading my thoughts.

1. Normies Do Not Understand Us


Baffling to us, Normies always reduce incels and the adjacent blackpill to
a form of rabid emotionalism.

For some reason they reduce the entire subject to Incels being a bunch of angry men.
They act as if incels have no reasons.

(Ironically, they also reduce it to a womans-issue only, thus proving gynocracy exists but I digress)

Even when many of us have tried to expose Normies to the Blackpill.
We linked data, we printed out studies - to no avail.
What is the problem with Normies?

It's clearly not about a lack of good information.

What is happening?
Why are they doing this?
That shall be answered now.

But first, definitions my friends:

2. What the blackpill is:


The blackpill is a body of value-neutral data-points derived from academic research, historical sources and anecdotes.
These findings highlight certain behaviors of both genders.
Since the information is value neutral, meaning it contains no value judgements about women or men,
there is no reason to ascribe any attributes to it, i.e. "nihilstic," "fatalistic," "self-loathing," "mysognistic," etc.


That's it. That's the blackpill.

3. What the blackpill is not:


- It is not an ideology.
- It is not connected to emotions.
- It does not make any value-judgements about either gender (not that it could, it has no personhood).
- The blackpill is not a fatalistic belief system, dreamt up by disatisfied men that hoped for more in life.

In fact, the blackpill is fit for marriage with any worldview whatsoever.
For example, a Christian worldview could easily incorporate the blackpill by simply explaining human behavior
as corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis.
This would be a negative interpretation, suffice to say.

A scientist could incorporate the blackpill into evolutionary psychology.
This would be a neutral take.

What about a postive interpration?
Yes, it is possible!
From the perspective of someone who profits of the blackpill, it is absolutely beautiful my friends!
Imagine a psychopath, or the powers that be... or a marketing agent perhaps...
They would ADORE the blackpill! It would make their life so much easier!

Maybe it has already...

You see friends, my point is this: The blackpill is just this: Nothing.

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It pertains to be nothing, it judges not, it holds nobody accountable.
So the question remains: Why is it portrait as such when Normies engage with Incels?

4. Why Normies Fail to Understand Us


Morality.
It's morality.
Note, I am not saying any party involved is morally superior or inferior.
That is not the argument I am making.

No, I think the problem is the worldview and resulting value judgements of Normies compared to the average incel.
We simply value completely different things and thus interpret everything differently.

Women and Normies interpretation of reality breaks down to self-benefit.
Everything is evaluated first by one criteria:
"Does it benefit me?"
If not, it has no value.

This is also how propaganda works.
You just frame things so normies think it benefits them.
"Your rights to do xyz are being taken away."
Suddenly people care about things they did not even know existed a moment ago.

Here are some common observable normie tropes with this pattern:

a) "You are not entitled to anything."
This is simply logically fallacious. If the statement holds universally true then the person making it would not be entitled
to making it. Are you entitled to your opinion? It is self refuting.

However, this is not why they say it. It does not come from a logical place.
It's a form of violence. They are basically saying, "fuck you, take it up the ass and shut up."
It's a form of might is right. If something benefits them they feel they deserve it and you are not to critize them for that.

If you anyone wants to study up further on this, here are some interesting things to look into:


b) "That's none of your business."
Ditto. Is it your business to tell me that? What my business is, is none your business. It's circular reasoning when applied consistently.

c) "If you don't do xzy you are a bad person"
"If you don't give money to soup kitchens, you hate poor people."
"If you say something I don't like about women, you hate women."

They don't care about poor people, it's manipulation.

As an autist, it took me years to understand this. I am 26 years old and I still struggle
with people not saying what they mean.

Their verbal output is not indentical to their internal monologue.
However, we can approximate based on their actions.

One example of this that we already mentioned is that normies defend things that benefit them as if they are moral goods.
If it benefits them, them they win in their own head, and because they win (benefit), they verbally express that its "valuable."
But this does not mean it's actually good in their eyes. It just means it benefits them.

Acting Good = Being Good.
"Anything that benefits me is good."

With women in particular this goes as far as "not being punished = being rewarded."

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This is also why the predominant female power fantasy in movies is playing the villian and getting away with it.
In the recent hitshow "Fleabag," beloved by women, the POV main character is a essentially
a narcisstic psycho who treats people in her life as objects, especially men.

For instance, she is aroused by a priest and simply lables him "hot priest."
This is how women actually see people. Utilities.
Even Chad is only viewed as a utility - "hot guy."

Suffice to say, by the end of the show the evil main foid just walks off, no punishment, no consequences.
Art imitates life.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAJEXZIrvA




Scientifically this has been noted prior by people like Kohlberg
(shoutout to @Cybersex is our hope who first made me aware of this with his thread ):

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Please look at the above picture.

Kohlberg tried to quantify morality in a model.
Most people are stuck on the lower 1-3 levels, especially women.

Everything is about self-benefit and punishment reward.
You know how kids go through that annoying phase where they pester their parens with questions?
That phase never stops.

Grown people still turn to authority figures for all questions in life.
That's where they get their morality from.
They test boundaries, like kids. If they don't get punished, they feel a rush.
Nothing changes since childhood.
It's just more subtle.

One example from Nazi Germany:
Most germans did not care about Nazi ideology. Not surprising since most people back then
had like a 6th grade education and began working at 14.

So how did the Nazis activate Normies to support the war effort?
By framing the entire thing through the lense of self-benefit.
Fear in particular.

Just like during the american civil war, most people fighting probably were not ideologically motivated.
Some feared for their homes, some probably thought the army was a great deal.
A lot of guys also said the uniform seemed to attracted bitches, so they joined.

The Nazi Flag is a good example.
It's symbolism escapes most people nowadays, so let me explain:

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The red literally is meant to symbolize Communism.
Communism surrounds a small group of Nazis, allmost swallowing them.
Most germans fought because they feared a communist takeover.

You can only manipulate people by appealing to base instincts.

As Edward Bernays wrote in "Propaganda:"




What he is getting at is that the Propagandist can not create new instincts in people.
It can only appeal to existing ones by attacking or arousing them.
For example, the attacking principle is mostly used on men:

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Whereas the arousing principle is mostly used on women.
That's why most products nowadays have cartoon characters on them and why 80-90% of customer purchases are done by women.


Charles Manson is another example.
All the foids that he "manipulated" talk about him like he was this high IQ genius.
Meanwhile his male friend had this to say about him:



Just lol.


Going back to Kohlberg and Normies simplistic "might-is-right" worldview:
If someone is on a certain stage of moral development, then they project that you are on that level as well.

Incels are the only group that critiques itself due to operating mostly on the higher, principle-based stage of moral development.
In research, this is conflated as incels being "self-loathing." In reality, it's just being realistic.

Again, they are applying value judgements to the blackpill.
The value judgement that the blackpill is "self-loathing," "depressing," etc... comes from a worldview
that presupposes that certain things are morally negative. These values are not inherent to the blackpill at all.

To give one example, look at this footnote from a paper on incels:



Source:

- supremacy (value judgement)
- hatred (value judgement)
- entitlement (value judgement)

None of this has anything to do with the blackpill.
All of these are presuppositions that come from a very specific worldview that interprets data
in a very specific way. They are not "brute facts" at all.

Humans project their worldview onto other people.
"We don't see the world as it is, but as we are."

The blackpill has nothing to do with value judgments at all. As I said earlier, the blackpill can be outright
invigorating if your worldview interprets it that way.

When we understand this, it becomes clear that it's not Normies fault that they cant be blackpilled.
They dont have the reasoning for it, or rather, their biased self serving worldview simply does not allow certain kind of evidences, because these evidences contradict their unfounded moral pre-suppositions.

We project a sense of justice on normies that doesnt exist
Its not their fault, they just cant think beyond their biased Worldview.

At 32:08 in this clip, known CIA asset and also-happens-to-be-a-famous-writer Kurt Vonnegut
explains how he made the same experience working as an anthropologist:


View: https://youtu.be/eLwe-EFUF-A?t=1928


This is why its impossible to blackpill normies.

From their perspective, where everything is group-dynamics, power-struggles, might-is-right,
When you show them the blackpill, you are asking them to support a group of males viewed as evil, over ALL women. That includes their sisters, cousins, mother, aunts, wives, girlfriends, female friends.

In reality, you are not asking them to support anything though.
It's simply too much too ask. In order to understand the blackpill, you need to put aside bias, self interest etc.

"It's the hallmark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without being consumed by it."
- Some greek faggot

This is also why women deny the blackpill despite obviously knowing about it (obsessed with looks, make up etc).
It does not benefit them to give away their tricks.

Chaps, I can't get into it but I would highly encourage reading the original Milgram Experiment text.


They basically made people shock someone to death with a little push of authority.
And most normies went along with it, for the reasons I mentioned (lower morality - a priest for example did not go along with it, go figure).


Basically, everything is subjugated to "benefit or no benefit?"
Lying? Fine, as long as you benefit.
Ignoring or Misrepresenting Evidence? Fine, as long as you benefit.

Everything in their worldview is reduced to utility to the self.
If it does not benefit them, it is useless.

The reason why they don't acknowledge the blackpill when talking about Incels has nothing to do with

- them not getting the blackpill (they do, evidence later)
- them not understanding incels plight
- they don't benefit from agreeing with incels, so they dont

It's about warfare. They project that we use knowledge the same way they do: As a weapon to benefit ourselves.
We don't. Or at least not all of us. I will call you guys out later :D

Normies break everything down to a power-struggle.
Punishment vs. Reward.
Victim vs. Opressor.

So from their perspective, the blackpill is...

-> A bunch of shit a bunch of angry men say to get their way.

This is where all their claims come from
- "incels only want stacies"
- "incels are entitled"
- "incels are violent"

None of this shit has anything to do with the blackpill.
They are projecting their infantile "might-is-right" morality onto a dataset that has nothing to do with morality at all.
If we go by what Kohlberg illustrated, many people may not even be capable of surpassing this kind of thinking.

They literally believe we only care about the blackpill because it benefits us.
So they jump to the conclusion, "well, this is all about getting what you want anyway" -> "incels are entitled"

This goes into another thing they do: Intentional display.
I said prior, they think acting like a good person = being a good person.

Just imagine a child thinking its good because it follows its parents instructions.
Newsflash: You are not good for acting good. Nobody can act agains their own will, ALL actions are self-serving.

If the children comparison seems derogatory to you, you have learned nothing up to this point.
(pshht, its only derogatory if you dont get what im saying about how worldviews shape value judgements ;) - you only think its derogatory because you think children are retarded and you dont value them OH NOOO YOU DONT WANT TO THINK THAT DO YOU? BAD BAAD)

This is devastating friends, because it means that we will never, and I mean never, be able to argue with Normies
on a logical basis. Everything we say will be judged through the lense of "victim vs opressor"
or rather

- the messenger will always judged insead of the message
- they look for the "why" not for the "what" (as in "why are incels saying this" not for "what are incels actually saying")

Their worldview simply does not allow for any other outlook.
And if your worldview only permits evidences which prove what you want to believe,
then arguing is pointless.

By this we can deduce that, anyone who claims the blackpill is an ideology exposes themselves as biased, and, you knowk, actually having an ideology.

For instance, if someone sees a datapoint about women or men they don't like, that does not mean the blackpill or incels
are evil or nihilstic.
It just means the datapoint does not jive with their worldview and how they interpret human behavior.

This principle of power superseeding even elementary logic can be seen elsewhere as well.

Take the current israel-hamas conflict.
Most normies couldn't show you Gaza on a map a few day ago.
Suddenly they care about this shit. In a few months, it will be like it never happened. Remember my words.
They only care because right now, virtue signalling about this distant conflict benefits them
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

Same for Covid, which essentially only existed in the media.
Ukraine, same shit.
People have already forgotten about Ukraine lmao.

People don't really care about any of this. They care about benefitting themselves.
Studies have shown that virtue signalling about shit like this
is actually indicative of dark triad personality traits.


One of the most krass examples is children.
Society simply does not value children, or there would be no need for orphanages.
All the children would be off the market already.
It's simple market economics. If children were a sought after commodity, they would be sold out.

And in our case, the classic example would be how they always, unfailingly, reduce the entire subject to
"women most affected."They think catering to foids benefits them.
They look at neutral datapoints and conclude with retarded certainity: "This is about women."
It's not. It's not about shit. It's not about anything.

You could easily look at the same blackpills and conclude that most men are retarded
mentally ill fuckshits that are spending billions of shekles on pictures of naked women.

But they don't draw that conclusion, do they?
Exactly.

Your worldview shapes how you interpret reality.

The blackpill is basically a massive Rorschach test.
What do you see in the inkblobs Johnny?
Do you see a bunch of inkblobs (reality) or do you see a woman getting hurt and you dont like that (bias)?

This is why you can not argue with them.
When you talk to normies, you are not debating facts, you are debating paradigms.
Worldviews.
Entire systems of thought.
They don't process information like incels.

To illustrate how it's all just self benefit, look at these examples in which they:


- acknowledge mens plight
- acknowledge lookism
- advocate for actual solutions to these

Basically they admit key points of the blackpill.
Yet when talking to us, they reject them. How come?


a) Yvetlana Vasin

View: https://medium.com/hello-love/stop-saying-looks-dont-matter-7d48d07eea93


Writer.
Openly admits looks matter. Seemingly understand blackpill.
But then you look her up and she runs this match-making service
to sell trophy hoes to trad-copers in the west:

So she literally knows that looks matter, but she only uses that konwledge to benefit herself.
Again, they admit looks matter, if it benefits them.

b) STRANGE ÆONS
Shits on incels:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJvDMKsy8D8


Then gets a nosejob (lookism):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbsaPeLWGU


c) Various Looks-Surgery or "rate-me" related subreddits

On all of these subreddits, you see way more women than men.
The women are getting way more attention.

And on the surgery subreddits, the men are gaslight about their looks
while people literally encourage women to get surgeries.
Again, if it benefits them somehow, they absolutely support the blackpill.

Women are hypocrites. This is warfare to them.
The reason why they don't admit we are right is because their worldview inherently
is anti-male.




d) QOVESStudio

Youtube channel with 500k subs talking exclusively about lookism.
Comments often talk about how looks affect life.
If we make these points, we are ridiculed though.

e) Ugly deformed kids getting surgery.
Whenever you see some report or gofuckme with a child that got mauled
by a pitbull or something, people violently scream for jutsice and point out
how the looks of the child will negatively affect it - "i hope he gets surgery
and gets to live a normal life."

So looks suddenly matter?


f) Female Spending
Going away from lookism a bit here.
In my opinion, you can literally explain the entire blackpill just by using
market economics. Things like skewed gender-ratios have a tremendous impact on society.

Take for instance the fact that women make 80-90% of customer purchases alone.

"Women were responsible for 75-85% of consumer spending in the 1930s."

"Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influence 85% of consumer spending"


This is devastating.
It means that women get almost half the money they own from men.
It means that women are probably hiding money from their partners.
It means that women are extremely shallow and materialistic, while guys predominately value women
over material goods.

This is a brutal pill and reflects extremely negatively on women, if your worldview is bluepilled.
However, because of the current culture, this seen as positive by normies.
Just look at the "girlpowermarketing" link above. It's in the name. "Girl Power."

So this seemingly horrific exposure of female nature suddenly becomes morally good, because context.


g) Female Sexual liberation
This one is kind of a funny double standard:
"Women are sexually liberated" - YAY!
"You're mom is a hoe that got bukkaked on camera." - NOOOOOOO

The cognitivie dissonance is very funny to me.
You see this with tradcopers and redpillers a lot.
One one hand they advocate for plowing through as many hoes as possible.
But then they tell you "just find a good wife bro."
Hilarious.


So please, why do they so readily agree with our points as long as its not us making them?
You should be able to answer that at this point.
It was nothing to do with the blackpill.

They disagree with us not because they think the blackpill is wrong, but because WE are wrong.
The messenger is the message.
Its warfare. They literally think incels are trying to mog them by flexing the blackpills as a tool for their own ends.
Its that stupid.

When the blackpill benefits them, they use it.

They simply cant grasp that there are mind-independent things in the world
that exist outside of some monkey-brained retarded using them for personal gain.
Everything is personal gain for them.

If we re-framed the entire blackpill to fit Normies worldview,
they would be campaigining to put it into legislature right now.
I am not exaggerating.

Now, children of the sun, I must critique you tsk tsk.

5. How most Incels are not Blackpilled


Many of us are guilty of exactly the same shit I just talked about.

To illustrate:
Incels fall into two categories:

a) The smart ones:
The ones that get the above points on a philosophical level.
I would count people like @WorthlessSlavicShit and @Atavistic Autist among them.
They are mostly interested in information hoarding and research.
I would call these "consistent" incels, as you could reasonably convince them of anything
as long as your points are valid.

b) The dummies:
These are the ones that gives us a bad name.
They operate exactly like normies do. Might is right, self benefit to the max. To them, the blackpill is inconsequential. It does not even matter.
This is more incels than you would think, unfortunately.

Shocking: Normies attitude towards us IS TRUE - when applied to this group.
These are the droves of greycels that wash up on our shores and then disappear within a few months.
These are the dregs of this forum. They engage in loud displays to signal their bonobo group-adherence to the tribe.

They are ones causing constant in-fighting and witchhunts.
They are the ones that are not even blackpilled and will probably get buxxed in the next 20 years.
If "It's just a phase mom" was a person, it would be them.


View: https://youtu.be/dhEfIdXxRuk?t=1032


In this clip, Naama kates, whos been with groups spying on us for years now,
makes this superficially unbelievable assertion:

Most incels leave the blackpill, get buxxed and move on.
When I first heard this it boggled my mind.
How tf can you move on from an observation like "women are 80% of customers?"

I was projecting friends.
Most greycels, most incels are not even blackpilled.
They come here, thinking this is some edgelord shit and then they act the fool to compete for rank in the
hiearchy here. Once it gets boring they move on.

Normiecels are the scourge of incels and give us a bad rep.

In my "Masculinity is a social construct" thread I laid out
how male in-fighting is the norm and how its encouraged by women.



We are not immune to this.
There is constant fighting on this forum.
Guys, women operate as a very dense hivemind with tentacles everywhere.
They are like a kraken with manifold arms, a beast of immeasurable proportions.
You. Can. Not. Win.

The constant male on male violence we observe on these forums
is literally exactly whats happening in society and why men cant get a foothold against women.
Men compete with men and worship women = 99% of niggas on this forum.

The only people that are fully excempt from this is a handful of autistic niggas
that spend years digging through research papers and other shit
instead of bickering and witchunting on here.

I wish people spend more time actually researching.
One counter to this that will be made: "The blackpill is complete, there is no new data to be found."
This is a hypercope.

It reminds of when people in 1900 literally claimed everything that could be invented had already been invented.
source:

The blackpill is not restricted to looks and dating.

- looks = health
- health = nutrition + genetics
- nutrition + health + genetics = global politics (government food recommendatiosn deliberately fucking up populations)
- global polictics = jewpill, new world order whatever
- politics = philosophy
- philosohpy = argumentation, worldviews, sound reasoning
- etc.


everything intersects and connects and the ride never ends.
If you want to come to the fullness of truth, you have to keep learning.
The reason why a lot of incels will not go down that path is because they are normies.
They will move on. They think it doesn't benefit them to dig deeper.


There is so much we could talk about, so much.
We are men, all of us have cool shit to say.
Instead I see retards getting angry because some dude said something mean in a thread.
If it was a foid many of you would simp.
Shame on you!


You should stop fighting and competing with other men.
Especially on this forum.
You never see women do that shit. They are above that with their insane in group preference.

Another thing to consider:

- Normies and Psychologists want the blackpill to become an actual ideology because its easier to control
- They want to hijack the negative parts of male nature (hyper-competitive, bickering, infighting) against us

To that End, they constantly discourage actual research and high-trust actions on these forums.
If you attack other men on here or IRL, you are no better than women and normie men,
that constantly encourage male on male aggression and competition.

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6. Final Thoughts and Doctors Orders:


I hope I could illustrate why its impossible for Normies to be blackpilled.
And also, why many incels are not really blackpilled.

Honestly, black pillers and blue pillers just shouldnt talk to eachother, as communication is not possible
Women will NEVER say that looks matter unless it benefits them somehow.

And the final pill for today:
If people were capable of understanding these problems they would have already been fixed.
If there was a solution, there would be no market.


@WorthlessSlavicShit
@wasted12years
@Atavistic Autist
@NorthernWind
@Antorian
@telamon
@lifefuel

7. Mega.nz link with some goodies


mega.nz file with some of the stuff mentioned in thread (books, videos):


1700330776757

Saved, followed, read every word. The amount of effort you put into this impressive and you’re a gift to the board mate. People like you and @WorthlessSlavicShit genuinely carry the forum.

High IQ read and the links you provided are appreciated as well.

I agree completely that “most people” are beyond reach of convincing because of the fallacies you stated. Basically:
1) Men, especially older men now or younger Chads, who “got theirs” simply don’t care about fixing a broken system and cannot relate to the troubles the majority of men are now having. And men tend to compete with each other rather than cooperate in our current system at least. Any solution will likely need to come from young men same as it has throughout history.

2) For women they will always, always oppose the blackpill all the way down purely as a matter of self interest. The cold hard truth is irrelevant they want to maximize their own power and station within society and convince people to support whatever world view and policies will get them there. Well, maybe in an environment where they were raised to understand these things from an early age and in a society with different expectations for them things would be different.

Men can sometimes be convinced, I was one of them. In fact most of us were indoctrinated with a bluepill pro feminist world view very early on and as different religions all over the world show for example, whatever you’re raised to believe “usually” sticks. Indoctrination and propaganda appear to work on most people. Men become more susceptible to the truth after they’ve lived it though and if they have the ability to value their own observation over what the tribe is drilling into their head.

If our group actually held positions of power and authority or controlled the media engines and social media giants long term then over the course of years you could do the exact same thing the top is doing now to warp public perception more favorably to this worldview it’s just we can’t do that and those in power have an iron grip. I’m not even saying that would be a good thing to do but I am saying that’s definitely what the current western regime has been doing to their people.

Anyway all that to say I think we should keep trying to blackpill normies but focus those efforts on men specifically and honestly we should probably come up with a refined master document with some simple strong data sets and talking points that will allow us to win brief engagements. People do not change their minds the first time it takes repeated exposure over years sometimes to adjust their views. It took me 3 years to deconvert from the religion I was raised in for example. 3 years and it couldn’t have been done without others writing books and trying to talk about those things either.
 
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