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Blackpill Most of us still dream of being Chad - THAT is what keeps us miserable

There's no going back. Entropy of the soul cannot be reversed.
 
Anyone got a tldr for this thread?

I'm all tired and shit
 
TL;DR for @Emba

This thread is a continuation of this one:

The OP further explains what I mean by "Ersatz Chads"

At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.

Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual

Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)

Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress

Especially @BigMorons reaction when @Dregster666 showed up and did his usual Ersatz-Chad thing.

To move past all of this we need to understand that nothing will change.
How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly do

We need to improve ourselves for the benefit of ourselves, not others.
Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?

To live without the knowledge of Chads, Incels, Normies, etc. To simply exist and make the best out of our situation despite opposition from this hypergamous society. Whether that be from coping, hoping, or roping. We need to finally let go.
Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?

The reason my name is "i Miss My Innocence" is because of the blissful ignorance I had as a kid. There was no reason for me to worry about looks or girls because it didn't matter at the time. All I had to care about was homework, making friends, and having fun. I would offer anything to live in that state again. A state before the blackpill, bluepill, or whatever figurative pill formed your life at the time. If we can let go and somehow find a way to revert ourselves to that point in our lives, a version of ourselves that didn't have the knowledge or need to care about this unforgiving reality, then we are one step closer to finding out who we really can be. Not who we could've been.
I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.

However, going back to childhood innocence (I would like that too, btw) seems like an impossible dream.
 
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You mean Hope... yes indeed
 
TL;DR for @Emba

This thread is a continuation of this one:

The OP further explains what I mean by "Ersatz Chads"

At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.

Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual

Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)

Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress

Especially @BigMorons reaction when @Dregster666 showed up and did his usual Ersatz-Chad thing.

How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly do


Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?


Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?


I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.

However, going back to childhood innocence (I would like that too, btw) seems like an impossible dream.
Hahahaha not a single word

Kys Faggot
 
Saying something natural is "unfair" makes no sense at all. Who are you complaining to? If you are not complaining to anyone then you are just coping without any real goal.
This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous

I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"

This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"

This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
 
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At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.

Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual
You tagged me but had no success convincing me to join your BOM order or me dedicating my time to communicating with you personally on Google Meet and Zoom. Now you make it seem like I responded because I didn't know what you were talking about. No I responded because you specifically tagged me in this thread. That "inconclusive and long-winded discussion" wouldn't have happened if you didn't tag me in the first place.
Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)
Except he's been more than willing to discuss with you things until he started to suspect you had ulterior motives.
Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress
Apparently someone agreeing with you = understanding what you meant and someone not agreeing with you = not understanding what you meant. Progress? What progress? Progress like how you are closer to convincing others to use platforms that are way more personal (voicechat and webcam) than posting on a forum?
 
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This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous

I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"

This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"

This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
Do you understand how fucking myopic you sound. Yeah sure.... why don't I a timid socially inept boy who can hardly look a person in the eye pay a stupid amount of money to see a stranger with the hopes of trying to pleasure my frozen limp body. How the fuck is this a "goal" of any kind. Do you remember what happened when cho tried to hire an escort? Life is not all about sex and having sex will not cure my problems. Escortceling is nothing more than a costly way for adults to play pretend; the world simply doesn't want you to have sex, so you shell out money in order to subconsciously lie to yourself about what you are. It is a poor cope at best.
 
This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous

I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"

This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"

This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
I fully agree with what you said.

The anti-escortcelling attitude is especially telling, you are right. Feeling superior to "all these normalfags" and also to incels wh accept to pay to satisfy their needs is indeed clearly a sign of deeply buried Ersatz-chadness. @Aadi
You tagged me but had no success convincing me to join your BOM order or me dedicating my time to communicating with you personally on Google Meet and Zoom. Now you make it seem like I responded because I didn't know what you were talking about. No I responded because you specifically tagged me in this thread. That "inconclusive and long-winded discussion" wouldn't have happened if you didn't tag me in the first place.
This is a general characteristic of discussions with you: long-winded and inconclusive. Why so stung?
 
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This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous

I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"

This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"

This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
i wonder what's your life goal?
 
This is a general characteristic of discussions with you: long-winded and inconclusive. Why so stung?
You are making it seem like I responded to this thread because I didn't understand what you said. You tagged me so I responded.
You are also insulting other people here in a passive aggressive way.

"Why so stung?"
Many people here might ask you that when you make thread after thread complaining about Ersatz chads because you don't like that people here don't accept what you have to say.
 
The anti-escortcelling attitude is especially telling, you are right. Feeling superior to "all these normalfags" and also to incels wh accept to pay to satisfy their needs is indeed clearly a sign of deeply buried Ersatz-chadness.
i clearly anti to escortcelling because i don't want to get std and it's disgusting have sex with someone who have sex to another men, also i still practicing some rule in my ex religion.

maybe some day i betabuxxing young virgin foid (common in my place) idk.
 
Not gonna lie, I want to be a Chad very much. I often dream about kidnaping a Chad and stealing his face like in this movie with Nicolas Cage.

If I remember correctly, Buddha teaches detachment from all earthly desires. I think the desire to be Chad would be one of those desires.

However, Buddha was born as a prince or something and could, during his youth, freely indulge in all of his desires to the point of excess. For such a person, it is easy to become detached from his desires, because he had his fill.

So, to answer your question: The only way to get rid of our Chadness desire is to experience what it is like to be Chad, at least for a time, until we get bored with it.

For Mayocels, this could be achieved by going to Asia/Thailand and bathe in an ocean of Noodle-pussy. Hookermaxing MIGHT lead to a similar outcome.

Another option would be (chemical) castration to kill our sex drive, which is the basis for wanting to be a Chad.

Alternatively, you can try to “override” this desire with another one. If you acquire enough funds to afford a lifelong stream of (lets say) high quality heroin, not being Chad would no longer concern you.
 
I agree and unfortunately I was an ersatz chad up until last year but not anymore. What is the BOM that you're speaking of? Sounds interesting. I can join. Really want to turn my life around this time tbh.
 
i clearly anti to escortcelling because i don't want to get std and it's disgusting have sex with someone who have sex to another men, also i still practicing some rule in my ex religion.

maybe some day i betabuxxing young virgin foid (common in my place) idk.
Sure, if you are still living in some kind of traditional environment where some of the old rules still apply, that is perfectly understandable

I agree and unfortunately I was an ersatz chad up until last year but not anymore. What is the BOM that you're speaking of? Sounds interesting. I can join. Really want to turn my life around this time tbh.
The BOM was discussed in this thread:

It is not a fully settled thing yet. More a goal and a work in progress.

Not gonna lie, I want to be a Chad very much. I often dream about kidnaping a Chad and stealing his face like in this movie with Nicolas Cage.

If I remember correctly, Buddha teaches detachment from all earthly desires. I think the desire to be Chad would be one of those desires.

However, Buddha was born as a prince or something and could, during his youth, freely indulge in all of his desires to the point of excess. For such a person, it is easy to become detached from his desires, because he had his fill.

So, to answer your question: The only way to get rid of our Chadness desire is to experience what it is like to be Chad, at least for a time, until we get bored with it.

For Mayocels, this could be achieved by going to Asia/Thailand and bathe in an ocean of Noodle-pussy. Hookermaxing MIGHT lead to a similar outcome.

Another option would be (chemical) castration to kill our sex drive, which is the basis for wanting to be a Chad.

Alternatively, you can try to “override” this desire with another one. If you acquire enough funds to afford a lifelong stream of (lets say) high quality heroin, not being Chad would no longer concern you.
The Blackpill Order of Monkcels idea is based on the same general principles as Buddhism. Especially those you mention about desire.

The "bathe in an ocean of pussy" therapy is an idea we have considered. We are seriously thinking of creating an escortcelling fund for poorcels precisely for that purpose.
 
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Apparently someone agreeing with you = understanding what you meant and someone not agreeing with you = not understanding what you meant. Progress? What progress? Progress like how you are closer to convincing others to use platforms that are way more personal (voicechat and webcam) than posting on a forum?
OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:
"people are unable to understand what I'm saying"(implicitly calling us all retarded)
and it's really convenient because in this way he can dismiss every criticism without being forced to provide a conterargument.
and that's not the only manipulative tool he uses.
 
OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:
"people are unable to understand what I'm saying"(implicitly calling us all retarded)
and it's really convenient because in this way he can dismiss every criticism without being forced to provide a conterargument.
and that's not the only manipulative tool he uses.
He sounds a lot like the now banned member Blackpill Bishop and his insistence on trying to pressure people into interacting by zoom and google meet (which are way more personal than posting on a forum) is strange. Also this tactic of replying one by one to posters to try and show they can respond to everyone's doubts and singling out people here that doubt them.

@K9Otaku has said some interesting things but their behavior in attempting to profile other people, tell them what to think ("you aren't blackpilled if you hate women") and pressuring them to join a more formal organization are getting suspect.
 
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@K9Otaku
could do explain what the fuck are you trying to do?
what's your purpose?
who told you to came here to deradicalize the "angry incels"?
 
OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:
"people are unable to understand what I'm saying"(implicitly calling us all retarded)
I am sorry but it is the case. What I am saying is complicated and cannot be understood easily. I am not implying anybody is a retard. Just saying that misunderstanding is easy when you talk about such stuff. Don't take it personal.

and it's really convenient because in this way he can dismiss every criticism without being forced to provide a conterargument.
I have always provide counter arguments to positions which are coherently expressed. If I remember correctly, the last time I did that with you (about whether I saw the contradiction between two quotes of mine you did highlight) it is you that did not respond.

@K9Otaku
could do explain what the fuck are you trying to do?
what's your purpose?
who told you to came here to deradicalize the "angry incels"?
My goal is very simple. I am trying to create a new religion.

All the old religions are dead or dying. And yet man cannot live without religion. In the past, religions were the most effective tools to control foids. If guys from the past were successful in this way, I do not see why we cannot do it again.

To be clear, in my view, religion does not equate with a belief in the supernatural. I personally do not believe in God or in any other woo-woo. I have no problem at all with Science. On the contrary. To me "religion" means accepting something transcendent; something that is bigger than any individual.

I have been very clear about all this in previous posts. Especially on the threads about the proposed Blackpill Order of Monkcels.
 
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I am sorry but it is the case. What I am saying is complicated and cannot understood easily. I am not implying anybody as a retard. Just saying that misunderstanding is easy when you talk about such stuff. Don't take it personal.
we both know that you're a lying snake and that you're trying to change the "culture" for some unclear personal gain.
I'm sure you will be able to successfully brainwash a lot of the weaker people here...
as for me, I won't keep interacting with you.
 
I don't care about being chad but I wish I had chad treatment from at least one girl, I'm too blackpilled to buy the normie package when I know things are different when you're chad

But you do have a point, I notice these chad wannabes projecting here on .is as well, too bad for them I couldn't care less
 
The Blackpill Order of Monkcels idea is based on the same general principles as Buddhism. Especially those you mention about desire.

The "bathe in an ocean of pussy" therapy is an idea we have considered. We are seriously thinking of creating an escortcelling fund for poorcels precisely for that purpose.
Another route would be to absolutely dehumanize women.

If a man reaches an enlightened state in which he sees women as mindless things, he will not care if they despise him. They will be irrelevant to him and the desire to be Chad will diminish.
 
we both know that you're a lying snake and that you're trying to change the "culture" for some unclear personal gain.
That sentence is a clear sign of paranoia.

The personal gain is "unclear" because it is nonexistent. How can I possibly benefit from talking to people online, whether here or elsewhere?
I'm sure you will be able to successfully brainwash a lot of the weaker people here...
The fear of "brainwashing" is the classic reaction that bluepiller culture has implanted in our mind to make us mistrust religion and transcendence.

We cannot live without transcendence. The misery we suffer as incels proves it beyond the shadow of a doubt. If you cannot dedicate your life to something that is greater than you (transcends you), your life is meaning less and you feel like roping all the time.

Bluepiller/left wing/SJW culture does not want us to accept any overt transcendence because that way we are forced to accept their covert unacknowledged form of cucked transcendence: foids are goddesses, worship them. You cannot escape transcendence. You are always under the sway of one or the other. You can only leave a bad one for a better one.

Another route would be to absolutely dehumanize women.

If a man reaches an enlightened state in which he sees women as mindless things, he will not care if they despise him. They will be irrelevant to him and the desire to be Chad will diminish.
Honestly, is that realistic?

First of all, women are human. I do not see how we could condition ourselves to think otherwise. They talk to us all the time. We may dislike what they say but how are we going to believe they are mindless?

Second, through the alpha male instinct, women are connected to the power dynamics that exist between men, at least potentially. We can bend that instinct and keep it under control through cultural means but how can we forget it? It is there in our genes.
 
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Honestly, is that realistic?

First of all, women are human. I do not see how we could condition ourselves to think otherwise. They talk to us all the time. We may dislike what they say but how are we going to believe they are mindless?

Second, through the alpha male instinct, women are connected to the power dynamics that exist between men, at least potentially. We can bend that instinct and keep it under control through cultural means but how can we forget it? It is there in our genes.
Sociopaths see all people as things. I think it can be learned. I, for example, saw my bullies not as fellow human but as a hostile humanoid mass of flesh. If I could have disposed of them with impunity, I would have done so in a heartbeat, after all, they were not human to me.

I don’t really understand the second point, could you please elaborate?
 
I don’t really understand the second point, could you please elaborate?
In all mammal species that live in groups, the alpha male is always surrounded by females. It is the hallmark of the alpha to have a female retinue.

As a result, having a female retinue has always been one possible symbol of power among humans. Look at this painting, for example:
Grand Conde 800

It represents a formerly rebellious nobleman (the "Grand Conde") doing his submission to Louis the XIV, the king of France. This is a power dynamic between 2 men (the king, the former rebel). Yet you can see women in a group to the right of the king. These women (including royal mistresses) played an essential role in Louis the XIVth successful ploy to rein in powerful barons by forcing them to all live at Versailles. There, they were constantly treated to the spectacle of the king surrounded by womenfolk. The king was the alpha male and the presence of the women triggered the submissive beta-male instincts in the male courtiers that were in attendance.

The book "Antarctica" calls this "Authority-S" (S for sex) and argues that it is a primitive and inferior form of political rule in comparison to what it calls "Authority-L" (L for language), which is not based on sexual instincts at all but on linguistic transactions alone (i.e. "merit"). An incel can have any amount of Authority-L (like a PhD in Mathematics, say), but if he is confronted by a Chad (Authority-S), he loses.

"Antarctica" argues that the whole history of civilization is a long fight by the supporters of Authority-L to eradicate Authority-S. There is a lot more to say about this than I have space here, but it is a fact that this Authority-S dynamic will never disappear from our genes. Even if no women were around, we could not forget it because our instincts would still be the same. Indeed, we should not forget it, lest we let it reappear by mistake, once we finally put it back under control.
 
In all mammal species that live in groups, the alpha male is always surrounded by females. It is the hallmark of the alpha to have a female retinue.

As a result, having a female retinue has always been one possible symbol of power among humans. Look at this painting, for example:
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It represents a formerly rebellious nobleman (the "Grand Conde") doing his submission to Louis the XIV, the king of France. This is a power dynamic between 2 men (the king, the former rebel). Yet you can see women in a group to the right of the king. These women (including royal mistresses) played an essential role in Louis the XIVth successful ploy to rein in powerful barons by forcing them to all live at Versailles. There, they were constantly treated to the spectacle of the king surrounded by womenfolk. The king was the alpha male and the presence of the women triggered the submissive beta-male instincts in the male courtiers that were in attendance.

The book "Antarctica" calls this "Authority-S" (S for sex) and argues that it is a primitive and inferior form of political rule in comparison to what it calls "Authority-L" (L for language), which is not based on sexual instincts at all but on linguistic transactions alone (i.e. "merit"). An incel can have any amount of Authority-L (like a PhD in Mathematics, say), but if he is confronted by a Chad (Authority-S), he loses.

"Antarctica" argues that the whole history of civilization is a long fight by the supporters of Authority-L to eradicate Authority-S. There is a lot more to say about this than I have space here, but it is a fact that this Authority-S dynamic will never disappear from our genes. Even if no women were around, we could not forget it because our instincts would still be the same. Indeed, we should not forget it, lest we let it reappear by mistake, once we finally put it back under control.
I think I understand…

However, if you manage to dehumanize women (in your mind) and learn to see them as worthless or as commodities, don’t you think the instinct you mentioned will be removed?

For example:

A 100% gay man does not see sexual value in women. If you send this man to the court of Louis the XIV, he would not be impressed by the Kings female cohort (because women are not impressive to him). Instead he would look down on the King for sponsoring a bunch of useless whence.
 
A 100% gay man does not see sexual value in women. If you send this man to the court of Louis the XIV, he would not be impressed by the Kings female cohort (because women are not impressive to him). Instead he would look down on the King for sponsoring a bunch of useless whence.
That is probably why in many cases eunuchs became powerful at court (China, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire, etc). The problem is that in all these cases, the most the Eunuchs achieved was the destruction of the system and the rise of a new dynasty based again on Authority-S. Also, do you want to be an eunuch?

I think that the only genuine solution is the Judean/Christian one: Install a Sky Chad (God) at the center of everything so that the possibility of any human Chad disappears. In such a context, every male is a beta male and any attempt to become alpha is a sacrilege, the most severely punished crime in any society.

Judaism managed to make this idea effective for a few centuries after the return from Babylonian exile. They were ruled by a council of old high authority-L beta-males (the Sanhedrin) and they had no king (they were under Persian overlordship). They did very well during that period.

For Christianity, it took over 1500 years to reach the same result (over a far wider area). But when it did, from the 17th century onward, Europe was catapulted into the future. The industrial revolution and the enormous superiority that western culture enjoyed over everyone else until the 1950s is the direct result of this.

Beta-maling the entire male population under a powerful transcendence is the only proven societal technique in order to rein-in Authority-S. In such a situation, Inceldom does not exist because there are no Chads. Women have no reason to chase after them and they are perfectly happy to marry each their own beta-husband. Destructive instincts on the male and female side are both neutralized.

There is no other proven societal technique to achieve the same result in the historical record. As the XXth century has shown, with its experimentation of new ideological models, trying to go for an unproven solution has a very high cost and is almost certain to fail.
 
No we don't. We dream of being valued and/or loved ONCE in our pathetic, miserable lives. Nobody gives a fucking damn about being a vain Chad who has sex with another foid every week.
The question now is: how do we move past all this? How do we truly lay our Chadness desire to rest for good? How do we emerge on the other side?
Nothing we demand is anything crazy: just basic human love and acceptance. something which most humans, hell even most animals get.
 
Nobody gives a fucking damn about being a vain Chad who has sex with another foid every week.
That is complete blindness about human nature.

All males want to be the alpha. This desire entered our genes even before we were human. The alpha male fucks every female in the herd. That is what every male also wants at the instinctual level.

Nothing we demand is anything crazy: just basic human love and acceptance. something which most humans, hell even most animals get.
From whom do you "demand" this. God? Society? Neither exists. They are both abstractions conjured up for the sake of argument; not personal entities you can reason or bargain with.

And no, animals don't get that. Most males in the animal kingdom are sexless betas.
 
That is complete blindness about human nature.

All males want to be the alpha. This desire entered our genes even before we were human. The alpha male fucks every female in the herd. That is what every male also wants at the instinctual level.


From whom do you "demand" this. God? Society? Neither exists. They are both abstractions conjured up for the sake of argument; not personal entities you can reason or bargain with.

And no, animals don't get that. Most males in the animal kingdom are sexless betas.
Your premise was that we are miserable, because most of us want to be Chad and that is simply not true and is completely ignorant of the incel experience. Normies are more that way, most of us are simply starved for love or else we wouldn't be so damn hateful.

We focus on him not because we WANT to be him, altough we wouldn't say no to it, it's because of him we can't get even 1 foid, a harem is not even in the damn fucking equation. Nobody believes he can ever have a fucking harem and you are retarded to assume we want. There are realistic desires and there is fucking fantasy. I don't spend every day dreaming about being a billionaire, because that is not realistic. Getting just 1 toilet however IS realistic, but because of Chad and online dating it won't happen.

Chad fucks every fucking girl that is locally available to him, including the ugly ones, thus boosting their ego and make them believe they have a shot with him even tough he just used them to pump and dump. Toilets are completely delusional and prefer to be Chads cumdumpster than a queen to an Incel. THAT is why we are fucking miserable and hate foids.
 
Your premise was that we are miserable, because most of us want to be Chad and that is simply not true and is completely ignorant of the incel experience. Normies are more that way, most of us are simply starved for love or else we wouldn't be so damn hateful.

We focus on him not because we WANT to be him, altough we wouldn't say no to it, it's because of him we can't get even 1 foid, a harem is not even in the damn fucking equation. Nobody believes he can ever have a fucking harem and you are retarded to assume we want. There are realistic desires and there is fucking fantasy. I don't spend every day dreaming about being a billionaire, because that is not realistic. Getting just 1 toilet however IS realistic, but because of Chad and online dating it won't happen.

Chad fucks every fucking girl that is locally available to him, including the ugly ones, thus boosting their ego and make them believe they have a shot with him even tough he just used them to pump and dump. Toilets are completely delusional and prefer to be Chads cumdumpster than a queen to an Incel. THAT is why we are fucking miserable and hate foids.
You did not answer what I said about our instincts. Do you deny being a mammal male?
 
You did not answer what I said about our instincts. Do you deny being a mammal male?
Men are more complex with more motivations than simply "ooga booga me want harem".

Tesla was even a volcel for fucks sake.

You project your own foid mentality onto us, because foids indeed know only 1 motivation: getting impregnated by the most superior man they can find. Men are more than that.
 
Men are more complex with more motivations than simply "ooga booga me want harem".
At our deepest level we are just that. Exactly like foids are hypergamous.

Foids' hypergamy and male desire to be the alpha are mirror images of each other.

What is the point of being blackpilled about foids if we lie about ourselves?
 
i wonder what's your life goal?


Do you understand how fucking myopic you sound. Yeah sure.... why don't I a timid socially inept boy who can hardly look a person in the eye
Ironically you are the one being myopic, do you think I wasn't socially inept, and I still have problems with eye contact, the only reason I got better at these things is because I worked a lot, I've worked many jobs, from menial to managerial, interacted with a lot of people, and by forcing myself to have to interact and socialize, I got better at it over years

What guys like you don't get is that the YOU that you are right now will change over time if you operate outside of your comfort zone for long enough

I want you to imagine you are working with a guy who never looks anyone in the eye, makes short sentences, is awkward, keeps to himself, never initiates conversations with anyone, etc, that was me

I even had this weird quirk FOR YEARS (through all my years of schooling, and my next few jobs afterwards) where I would always have my hands in my pockets or keep them out of view, because for some reason I felt like people were looking at them and I would be "doing something weird" with them, I would always be thinking of "what to do with my hands that looks normal" lol, THAT'S HOW SELF CONSCIOUS I WAS

It was ridiculous when I think about it

Guys like you are making decisions based on what you THINK/FEEL you can't do based on personality traits or quirks THAT AREN'T SET IN STONE

You can change these things, IF YOU ACTUALLY TRIED TO CHANGE THEM

Can you see how "myopic" and childish it is to operate as if you are going to be the same person in the next 10 years?

Like your personality will never change or can't change?

You are the one being short sighted

Reminds me of this Bill Gates quote:
“If you are born Poor its not your mistake, but if you die poor its your mistake”

That logic can be applied to many other things in life, we were all born with the personality traits we have, I was always a shy "shy weird kid" who kept to himself and didn't socialize much, that's not my fault, but if I spend my entire life as that person, denying myself opportunities and success, THAT IS 100% MY FAULT

pay a stupid amount of money to see a stranger with the hopes of trying to pleasure my frozen limp body. How the fuck is this a "goal" of any kind.
The amount depends on where you live, it was relatively cheap for me and definitely worth the money

I just did it to lose my virginity to be honest, just to get the weight of that off my back, and after I did it I was actually more confident, and sex became less of a "big deal" to me

There's a huge difference with your mentality when you are talking to women, when you are a virgin who is hoping this one girl may or may not help you "become a man". When you aren't a virgin you are simply just talking to "a woman"

The weight of virginity on your psyche makes you think of women differently and become a "try hard", because you are hoping you can "finally get laid"

When you aren't a virgin women's worth go down immediately and there's less pressure talking to one, because you don't need her to help you reach this "goal" that has been looming over your head for years

Do you remember what happened when cho tried to hire an escort?
You aren't Cho, I find it funny how you seem to think this is somehow a legitimate argument

"Don't you remember what happened to some random guy who is not me"

Also no I don't know, but do tell me (it would have nothing to do with the argument, its a non-point, but I'd still like to know)

Life is not all about sex and having sex will not cure my problems.
I mean, life is kinda about sex, sex is the reason why you even exist, its the reason why everything exists (other than asexual micro-organisms)

Escortceling is nothing more than a costly way for adults to play pretend
Again, cost depends on where you live, if you had to spend around $45 to $50 US to fuck a 7/10 woman for an hour, and did that once a week, would you see that as "costly"?

A guy like you would probably waste your money on console and buy all the games that came out, to collect virtual points that will not improve your ACTUAL LIFE in any way

Lastly, if you are "wealthmaxxed" and have multiple income streams, "costly" becomes something that doesn't really apply to you

If you were making thousands a month basically clicking a few buttons, you wouldn't care about $50 a week

the world simply doesn't want you to have sex
1. Your obvious martyr complex is showing - "Its me against the world" :feelskek:

2. So your logic is that you are just going to submit to the world?, how is that a good thing?

so you shell out money in order to subconsciously lie to yourself about what you are.
You are projecting your obsession with "being Chad" onto others right now, you just proved what @K9Otaku was saying

I've noticed this thing where a lot of you guys speak about paying for sex, as "paying for validation", that's why you see it as some kind of "lie"

You literally can't comprehend that I'm paying to simply enjoy having sex with a woman, you are so egotistical that if something doesn't revolve around pride or an accomplishment you can't even understand why someone would do it

You might as well say people by goods from bakers so that they can lie to themselves and pretend they are good bakers

Or people go to "fancy restaurants" because they can lie to themselves and pretend like they can prepare these dishes

NO, its simple that people want to taste something good, that's it

Its the same thing with sex
 
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The only way is roping.
 
I'm not miserable because I'm not Chad. I'm miserable because I'm a human.
 
That is probably why in many cases eunuchs became powerful at court (China, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire, etc). The problem is that in all these cases, the most the Eunuchs achieved was the destruction of the system and the rise of a new dynasty based again on Authority-S. Also, do you want to be an eunuch?

I think that the only genuine solution is the Judean/Christian one: Install a Sky Chad (God) at the center of everything so that the possibility of any human Chad disappears. In such a context, every male is a beta male and any attempt to become alpha is a sacrilege, the most severely punished crime in any society.

Judaism managed to make this idea effective for a few centuries after the return from Babylonian exile. They were ruled by a council of old high authority-L beta-males (the Sanhedrin) and they had no king (they were under Persian overlordship). They did very well during that period.

For Christianity, it took over 1500 years to reach the same result (over a far wider area). But when it did, from the 17th century onward, Europe was catapulted into the future. The industrial revolution and the enormous superiority that western culture enjoyed over everyone else until the 1950s is the direct result of this.

Beta-maling the entire male population under a powerful transcendence is the only proven societal technique in order to rein-in Authority-S. In such a situation, Inceldom does not exist because there are no Chads. Women have no reason to chase after them and they are perfectly happy to marry each their own beta-husband. Destructive instincts on the male and female side are both neutralized.

There is no other proven societal technique to achieve the same result in the historical record. As the XXth century has shown, with its experimentation of new ideological models, trying to go for an unproven solution has a very high cost and is almost certain to fail.
Agreed, religiously enforced monogamy freed all the male potential that was used for competition. The result was a flourishing civilization.

I see two problems:

How to believe in a Sky Chad while simultaneously maintain an industrial and scientifically minded society?

Women will still desire the most alpha-appearing man, even if he is a beta to God.




I still prefer female dehumanization or (even better) female replacement -> every man can be Chad.
 
Agreed, religiously enforced monogamy freed all the male potential that was used for competition. The result was a flourishing civilization.
Yes
How to believe in a Sky Chad while simultaneously maintain an industrial and scientifically minded society?
We can't believe in a Sky Chad anymore. We have to find another way to betamale all males

Women will still desire the most alpha-appearing man, even if he is a beta to God.
Not if there is a stigma for doing so.

I still prefer female dehumanization or (even better) female replacement -> every man can be Chad.
As I said, I do not see how we can achieve "dehumanization"

Female replacement might be achievable but not with the current state of technology. The problem we have here is that our current culture is completely stalled, technology wise (especially in the life sciences). Therefore, we have to work with foids as reproducers for at least one more societal cycle before we can replace them.
 
There is a third way. Some great people weren't born natural Chads but they worked hard mastering their skills and they leaved legacy after them. You know quote about Bruce Lee, "men wanted to be him and women wanted to be with him"?


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I dream of being a normie with a looksmatched gf :feelsokman: I don't dream of big stacks of money, gigastacies or slaying left and right
 
It's got nothing to do with Chad - we can't even get one single girl to be attracted to us. That is the issue.
 
Yes, at first, of course. But then you discover that this is not going to happen. What do you do next?
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TL;DR for @Emba

This thread is a continuation of this one:

The OP further explains what I mean by "Ersatz Chads"

At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.

Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual

Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)

Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress

Especially @BigMorons reaction when @Dregster666 showed up and did his usual Ersatz-Chad thing.


How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly do


Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?


Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?


I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.

However, going back to childhood innocence (I would like that too, btw) seems like an impossible dream.
Ah... Thanks lil bro, very kind of you!

I too felt i was a "worthy man of value" long ago, when i was actually a gdmf loser!

Currently my mind is busy studying crypto coins and virtual nations...

Perhaps your bp monk thingy is similar to a virtual nation?

Perhaps Incels.is is a virtual island?

I'm thinking yes, yes it is.
 
Once you are full redpilled there’s nothing you can do about to get rid of the desires of being Chad. Because it’s not only about getting sex and having girls attracted to you. It’s about everything. If you aren’t famous or rich and nobody knows you, you will be treated according to your looks. Every single day of your life during your whole life people will treat you according your looks.

Ugly bluepilled people and zombies when mistreated by others get angry because they treat people with respect and deserve to be treated with respect, that’s what they think. But YOU know how everything works. When you are mistreated, and specially by women, it means you are a sub-human, a genetic trash, you feel that inside your soul that your looks traits are garbage and you worth nothing. I don’t believe in miracles, I don’t believe in God. I do believe our parentes with their shitty genetic traits punished us to boost their ego having children, and I do believe you must pursue your desires to become at least close-to-Chad through Science, surgeries, treatments, and so on. Who the hell wants to live decades until dies naturally having a miserable live?
 
We can't believe in a Sky Chad anymore. We have to find another way to betamale all males
AI Chad?

Not if there is a stigma for doing so.

That will be even harder to implement than the “betafication” of all men.

As I said, I do not see how we can achieve "dehumanization"

Female replacement might be achievable but not with the current state of technology. The problem we have here is that our current culture is completely stalled, technology wise (especially in the life sciences). Therefore, we have to work with foids as reproducers for at least one more societal cycle before we can replace them.

Just wait a few decades. In the near future, many men will have very little social contact with women (without paying for it). Those men will see women either as unreachable goddesses (pedestal) or as manipulative whores and sex objects… But not as fellow humans.

Females (as reproducers) can be replaced already with current technology:

1.) Pay a random woman to partake in an “experiment”
2.) She has to agree to be artificially impregnated (aka become a surrogate mother) and later have the foetus partially aborted.
3.) Artificially impregnate her with a female foetus
4.) Perform a “partial abortion”: destroy the tissue that will later become the central nervous system of the foetus
5.) Let the women give birth to the mindless female baby
6.) Make sure that the mindless female baby is your property
7.) Keep the mindless female baby on life support until it reaches reproductive age
8.) Return to step 3.) but use the mindless female instead of the original women

I know it sounds absolutely disgusting, but it is no more morally reprehensible than abortion.

With this process you can create an exponential amount of mindless female “breeders” to produce all the (male) children you want.

You would also have an unlimited access to donor organs.

You could also implement certain eugenic measures, since you are in full control of the reproduction.

I don’t think it would be too expensive to pull this off… you just need the will.
 

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