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There's no going back. Entropy of the soul cannot be reversed.
How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly doTo move past all of this we need to understand that nothing will change.
Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?We need to improve ourselves for the benefit of ourselves, not others.
Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?To live without the knowledge of Chads, Incels, Normies, etc. To simply exist and make the best out of our situation despite opposition from this hypergamous society. Whether that be from coping, hoping, or roping. We need to finally let go.
I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.The reason my name is "i Miss My Innocence" is because of the blissful ignorance I had as a kid. There was no reason for me to worry about looks or girls because it didn't matter at the time. All I had to care about was homework, making friends, and having fun. I would offer anything to live in that state again. A state before the blackpill, bluepill, or whatever figurative pill formed your life at the time. If we can let go and somehow find a way to revert ourselves to that point in our lives, a version of ourselves that didn't have the knowledge or need to care about this unforgiving reality, then we are one step closer to finding out who we really can be. Not who we could've been.
Misplaced hope will kill youYou mean Hope... yes indeed
Hahahaha not a single wordTL;DR for @Emba
This thread is a continuation of this one:
Ersatz Chads - The plague of this forum and of Inceldom in general
We have all been bullied, generally by Chad Now, on this forum and elsewhere, we have to endure being bullied by Ersatz Chads. Some of us, who cannot be Chads irl any more than the rest of us, still crave to be Chads. They take advantage of the vulnerable state most of us are in to play Chads...incels.is
The OP further explains what I mean by "Ersatz Chads"
At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.
Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual
Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)
Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress
Especially @BigMorons reaction when @Dregster666 showed up and did his usual Ersatz-Chad thing.
How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly do
Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?
Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?
I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.
However, going back to childhood innocence (I would like that too, btw) seems like an impossible dream.
This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculousSaying something natural is "unfair" makes no sense at all. Who are you complaining to? If you are not complaining to anyone then you are just coping without any real goal.
YepThis, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous
Then he is a gay Chadhe doesn't care about women
You tagged me but had no success convincing me to join your BOM order or me dedicating my time to communicating with you personally on Google Meet and Zoom. Now you make it seem like I responded because I didn't know what you were talking about. No I responded because you specifically tagged me in this thread. That "inconclusive and long-winded discussion" wouldn't have happened if you didn't tag me in the first place.At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.
Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual
Except he's been more than willing to discuss with you things until he started to suspect you had ulterior motives.Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)
Apparently someone agreeing with you = understanding what you meant and someone not agreeing with you = not understanding what you meant. Progress? What progress? Progress like how you are closer to convincing others to use platforms that are way more personal (voicechat and webcam) than posting on a forum?Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress
Do you understand how fucking myopic you sound. Yeah sure.... why don't I a timid socially inept boy who can hardly look a person in the eye pay a stupid amount of money to see a stranger with the hopes of trying to pleasure my frozen limp body. How the fuck is this a "goal" of any kind. Do you remember what happened when cho tried to hire an escort? Life is not all about sex and having sex will not cure my problems. Escortceling is nothing more than a costly way for adults to play pretend; the world simply doesn't want you to have sex, so you shell out money in order to subconsciously lie to yourself about what you are. It is a poor cope at best.This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous
I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"
This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"
This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
I fully agree with what you said.This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous
I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"
This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"
This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
This is a general characteristic of discussions with you: long-winded and inconclusive. Why so stung?You tagged me but had no success convincing me to join your BOM order or me dedicating my time to communicating with you personally on Google Meet and Zoom. Now you make it seem like I responded because I didn't know what you were talking about. No I responded because you specifically tagged me in this thread. That "inconclusive and long-winded discussion" wouldn't have happened if you didn't tag me in the first place.
i wonder what's your life goal?This, these guys are coping hardcore, and they refuse to set any real life goals, its ridiculous
I have to agree with the thread, a lot of incels are still coping as if one day they are "going to make it"
This is why you'll hear many incels say "I'd never pay for sex" and act like its "beneath them", but how could it be beneath a self professed "sub-human"
This shows that on some level these guys see themselves as a "top tier male" or "superior" in some aspect, because that's the only way you'd see such a simple thing as "beneath you"
You are making it seem like I responded to this thread because I didn't understand what you said. You tagged me so I responded.This is a general characteristic of discussions with you: long-winded and inconclusive. Why so stung?
i clearly anti to escortcelling because i don't want to get std and it's disgusting have sex with someone who have sex to another men, also i still practicing some rule in my ex religion.The anti-escortcelling attitude is especially telling, you are right. Feeling superior to "all these normalfags" and also to incels wh accept to pay to satisfy their needs is indeed clearly a sign of deeply buried Ersatz-chadness.
Sure, if you are still living in some kind of traditional environment where some of the old rules still apply, that is perfectly understandablei clearly anti to escortcelling because i don't want to get std and it's disgusting have sex with someone who have sex to another men, also i still practicing some rule in my ex religion.
maybe some day i betabuxxing young virgin foid (common in my place) idk.
The BOM was discussed in this thread:I agree and unfortunately I was an ersatz chad up until last year but not anymore. What is the BOM that you're speaking of? Sounds interesting. I can join. Really want to turn my life around this time tbh.
The Blackpill Order of Monkcels idea is based on the same general principles as Buddhism. Especially those you mention about desire.Not gonna lie, I want to be a Chad very much. I often dream about kidnaping a Chad and stealing his face like in this movie with Nicolas Cage.
If I remember correctly, Buddha teaches detachment from all earthly desires. I think the desire to be Chad would be one of those desires.
However, Buddha was born as a prince or something and could, during his youth, freely indulge in all of his desires to the point of excess. For such a person, it is easy to become detached from his desires, because he had his fill.
So, to answer your question: The only way to get rid of our Chadness desire is to experience what it is like to be Chad, at least for a time, until we get bored with it.
For Mayocels, this could be achieved by going to Asia/Thailand and bathe in an ocean of Noodle-pussy. Hookermaxing MIGHT lead to a similar outcome.
Another option would be (chemical) castration to kill our sex drive, which is the basis for wanting to be a Chad.
Alternatively, you can try to “override” this desire with another one. If you acquire enough funds to afford a lifelong stream of (lets say) high quality heroin, not being Chad would no longer concern you.
OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:Apparently someone agreeing with you = understanding what you meant and someone not agreeing with you = not understanding what you meant. Progress? What progress? Progress like how you are closer to convincing others to use platforms that are way more personal (voicechat and webcam) than posting on a forum?
He sounds a lot like the now banned member Blackpill Bishop and his insistence on trying to pressure people into interacting by zoom and google meet (which are way more personal than posting on a forum) is strange. Also this tactic of replying one by one to posters to try and show they can respond to everyone's doubts and singling out people here that doubt them.OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:
"people are unable to understand what I'm saying"(implicitly calling us all retarded)
and it's really convenient because in this way he can dismiss every criticism without being forced to provide a conterargument.
and that's not the only manipulative tool he uses.
I am sorry but it is the case. What I am saying is complicated and cannot be understood easily. I am not implying anybody is a retard. Just saying that misunderstanding is easy when you talk about such stuff. Don't take it personal.OP is continuously trying to frame his interactions on the forum in this way:
"people are unable to understand what I'm saying"(implicitly calling us all retarded)
I have always provide counter arguments to positions which are coherently expressed. If I remember correctly, the last time I did that with you (about whether I saw the contradiction between two quotes of mine you did highlight) it is you that did not respond.and it's really convenient because in this way he can dismiss every criticism without being forced to provide a conterargument.
My goal is very simple. I am trying to create a new religion.@K9Otaku
could do explain what the fuck are you trying to do?
what's your purpose?
who told you to came here to deradicalize the "angry incels"?
we both know that you're a lying snake and that you're trying to change the "culture" for some unclear personal gain.I am sorry but it is the case. What I am saying is complicated and cannot understood easily. I am not implying anybody as a retard. Just saying that misunderstanding is easy when you talk about such stuff. Don't take it personal.
Another route would be to absolutely dehumanize women.The Blackpill Order of Monkcels idea is based on the same general principles as Buddhism. Especially those you mention about desire.
The "bathe in an ocean of pussy" therapy is an idea we have considered. We are seriously thinking of creating an escortcelling fund for poorcels precisely for that purpose.
That sentence is a clear sign of paranoia.we both know that you're a lying snake and that you're trying to change the "culture" for some unclear personal gain.
The fear of "brainwashing" is the classic reaction that bluepiller culture has implanted in our mind to make us mistrust religion and transcendence.I'm sure you will be able to successfully brainwash a lot of the weaker people here...
Honestly, is that realistic?Another route would be to absolutely dehumanize women.
If a man reaches an enlightened state in which he sees women as mindless things, he will not care if they despise him. They will be irrelevant to him and the desire to be Chad will diminish.
Sociopaths see all people as things. I think it can be learned. I, for example, saw my bullies not as fellow human but as a hostile humanoid mass of flesh. If I could have disposed of them with impunity, I would have done so in a heartbeat, after all, they were not human to me.Honestly, is that realistic?
First of all, women are human. I do not see how we could condition ourselves to think otherwise. They talk to us all the time. We may dislike what they say but how are we going to believe they are mindless?
Second, through the alpha male instinct, women are connected to the power dynamics that exist between men, at least potentially. We can bend that instinct and keep it under control through cultural means but how can we forget it? It is there in our genes.
In all mammal species that live in groups, the alpha male is always surrounded by females. It is the hallmark of the alpha to have a female retinue.I don’t really understand the second point, could you please elaborate?
I think I understand…In all mammal species that live in groups, the alpha male is always surrounded by females. It is the hallmark of the alpha to have a female retinue.
As a result, having a female retinue has always been one possible symbol of power among humans. Look at this painting, for example:
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It represents a formerly rebellious nobleman (the "Grand Conde") doing his submission to Louis the XIV, the king of France. This is a power dynamic between 2 men (the king, the former rebel). Yet you can see women in a group to the right of the king. These women (including royal mistresses) played an essential role in Louis the XIVth successful ploy to rein in powerful barons by forcing them to all live at Versailles. There, they were constantly treated to the spectacle of the king surrounded by womenfolk. The king was the alpha male and the presence of the women triggered the submissive beta-male instincts in the male courtiers that were in attendance.
The book "Antarctica" calls this "Authority-S" (S for sex) and argues that it is a primitive and inferior form of political rule in comparison to what it calls "Authority-L" (L for language), which is not based on sexual instincts at all but on linguistic transactions alone (i.e. "merit"). An incel can have any amount of Authority-L (like a PhD in Mathematics, say), but if he is confronted by a Chad (Authority-S), he loses.
"Antarctica" argues that the whole history of civilization is a long fight by the supporters of Authority-L to eradicate Authority-S. There is a lot more to say about this than I have space here, but it is a fact that this Authority-S dynamic will never disappear from our genes. Even if no women were around, we could not forget it because our instincts would still be the same. Indeed, we should not forget it, lest we let it reappear by mistake, once we finally put it back under control.
That is probably why in many cases eunuchs became powerful at court (China, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire, etc). The problem is that in all these cases, the most the Eunuchs achieved was the destruction of the system and the rise of a new dynasty based again on Authority-S. Also, do you want to be an eunuch?A 100% gay man does not see sexual value in women. If you send this man to the court of Louis the XIV, he would not be impressed by the Kings female cohort (because women are not impressive to him). Instead he would look down on the King for sponsoring a bunch of useless whence.
Nothing we demand is anything crazy: just basic human love and acceptance. something which most humans, hell even most animals get.The question now is: how do we move past all this? How do we truly lay our Chadness desire to rest for good? How do we emerge on the other side?
That is complete blindness about human nature.Nobody gives a fucking damn about being a vain Chad who has sex with another foid every week.
From whom do you "demand" this. God? Society? Neither exists. They are both abstractions conjured up for the sake of argument; not personal entities you can reason or bargain with.Nothing we demand is anything crazy: just basic human love and acceptance. something which most humans, hell even most animals get.
Your premise was that we are miserable, because most of us want to be Chad and that is simply not true and is completely ignorant of the incel experience. Normies are more that way, most of us are simply starved for love or else we wouldn't be so damn hateful.That is complete blindness about human nature.
All males want to be the alpha. This desire entered our genes even before we were human. The alpha male fucks every female in the herd. That is what every male also wants at the instinctual level.
From whom do you "demand" this. God? Society? Neither exists. They are both abstractions conjured up for the sake of argument; not personal entities you can reason or bargain with.
And no, animals don't get that. Most males in the animal kingdom are sexless betas.
You did not answer what I said about our instincts. Do you deny being a mammal male?Your premise was that we are miserable, because most of us want to be Chad and that is simply not true and is completely ignorant of the incel experience. Normies are more that way, most of us are simply starved for love or else we wouldn't be so damn hateful.
We focus on him not because we WANT to be him, altough we wouldn't say no to it, it's because of him we can't get even 1 foid, a harem is not even in the damn fucking equation. Nobody believes he can ever have a fucking harem and you are retarded to assume we want. There are realistic desires and there is fucking fantasy. I don't spend every day dreaming about being a billionaire, because that is not realistic. Getting just 1 toilet however IS realistic, but because of Chad and online dating it won't happen.
Chad fucks every fucking girl that is locally available to him, including the ugly ones, thus boosting their ego and make them believe they have a shot with him even tough he just used them to pump and dump. Toilets are completely delusional and prefer to be Chads cumdumpster than a queen to an Incel. THAT is why we are fucking miserable and hate foids.
Men are more complex with more motivations than simply "ooga booga me want harem".You did not answer what I said about our instincts. Do you deny being a mammal male?
At our deepest level we are just that. Exactly like foids are hypergamous.Men are more complex with more motivations than simply "ooga booga me want harem".
i wonder what's your life goal?
Ironically you are the one being myopic, do you think I wasn't socially inept, and I still have problems with eye contact, the only reason I got better at these things is because I worked a lot, I've worked many jobs, from menial to managerial, interacted with a lot of people, and by forcing myself to have to interact and socialize, I got better at it over yearsDo you understand how fucking myopic you sound. Yeah sure.... why don't I a timid socially inept boy who can hardly look a person in the eye
The amount depends on where you live, it was relatively cheap for me and definitely worth the moneypay a stupid amount of money to see a stranger with the hopes of trying to pleasure my frozen limp body. How the fuck is this a "goal" of any kind.
You aren't Cho, I find it funny how you seem to think this is somehow a legitimate argumentDo you remember what happened when cho tried to hire an escort?
I mean, life is kinda about sex, sex is the reason why you even exist, its the reason why everything exists (other than asexual micro-organisms)Life is not all about sex and having sex will not cure my problems.
Again, cost depends on where you live, if you had to spend around $45 to $50 US to fuck a 7/10 woman for an hour, and did that once a week, would you see that as "costly"?Escortceling is nothing more than a costly way for adults to play pretend
1. Your obvious martyr complex is showing - "Its me against the world"the world simply doesn't want you to have sex
You are projecting your obsession with "being Chad" onto others right now, you just proved what @K9Otaku was sayingso you shell out money in order to subconsciously lie to yourself about what you are.
Agreed, religiously enforced monogamy freed all the male potential that was used for competition. The result was a flourishing civilization.That is probably why in many cases eunuchs became powerful at court (China, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire, etc). The problem is that in all these cases, the most the Eunuchs achieved was the destruction of the system and the rise of a new dynasty based again on Authority-S. Also, do you want to be an eunuch?
I think that the only genuine solution is the Judean/Christian one: Install a Sky Chad (God) at the center of everything so that the possibility of any human Chad disappears. In such a context, every male is a beta male and any attempt to become alpha is a sacrilege, the most severely punished crime in any society.
Judaism managed to make this idea effective for a few centuries after the return from Babylonian exile. They were ruled by a council of old high authority-L beta-males (the Sanhedrin) and they had no king (they were under Persian overlordship). They did very well during that period.
For Christianity, it took over 1500 years to reach the same result (over a far wider area). But when it did, from the 17th century onward, Europe was catapulted into the future. The industrial revolution and the enormous superiority that western culture enjoyed over everyone else until the 1950s is the direct result of this.
Beta-maling the entire male population under a powerful transcendence is the only proven societal technique in order to rein-in Authority-S. In such a situation, Inceldom does not exist because there are no Chads. Women have no reason to chase after them and they are perfectly happy to marry each their own beta-husband. Destructive instincts on the male and female side are both neutralized.
There is no other proven societal technique to achieve the same result in the historical record. As the XXth century has shown, with its experimentation of new ideological models, trying to go for an unproven solution has a very high cost and is almost certain to fail.
I don't care about being Chad. It's just that females like Chads and dislike me.
YesAgreed, religiously enforced monogamy freed all the male potential that was used for competition. The result was a flourishing civilization.
We can't believe in a Sky Chad anymore. We have to find another way to betamale all malesHow to believe in a Sky Chad while simultaneously maintain an industrial and scientifically minded society?
Not if there is a stigma for doing so.Women will still desire the most alpha-appearing man, even if he is a beta to God.
As I said, I do not see how we can achieve "dehumanization"I still prefer female dehumanization or (even better) female replacement -> every man can be Chad.
Yes, at first, of course. But then you discover that this is not going to happen. What do you do next?I dream of being a normie with a looksmatched gf
harass lolis on public transportationYes, at first, of course. But then you discover that this is not going to happen. What do you do next?
Ah... Thanks lil bro, very kind of you!TL;DR for @Emba
This thread is a continuation of this one:
Ersatz Chads - The plague of this forum and of Inceldom in general
We have all been bullied, generally by Chad Now, on this forum and elsewhere, we have to endure being bullied by Ersatz Chads. Some of us, who cannot be Chads irl any more than the rest of us, still crave to be Chads. They take advantage of the vulnerable state most of us are in to play Chads...incels.is
The OP further explains what I mean by "Ersatz Chads"
At the beginning, some people, who don't understand what it is about, responded.
Then I had an inconclusive and long-winded discussion with @your personality, as usual
Then @suigin made a few incomprehensible remarks (as usual too)
Then both @BigMorons and @SuperPerfectCel seemed to react as if they understood What I meant. Compared to the previous thread, it is definite progress
Especially @BigMorons reaction when @Dregster666 showed up and did his usual Ersatz-Chad thing.
How do you know that nothing will change? Our instincts won't change, of course, but society and culture constantly do
Yes, that what we should do. If we do that, won't something change for us?
Yes. But let go of what? In the OP I propose that we need to let go of our desire to be Chad, however deeply buried it is. Do you agree?
I understand and agree with the idea of "letting go", although it needs to be made more precise.
However, going back to childhood innocence (I would like that too, btw) seems like an impossible dream.
AI Chad?We can't believe in a Sky Chad anymore. We have to find another way to betamale all males
Not if there is a stigma for doing so.
As I said, I do not see how we can achieve "dehumanization"
Female replacement might be achievable but not with the current state of technology. The problem we have here is that our current culture is completely stalled, technology wise (especially in the life sciences). Therefore, we have to work with foids as reproducers for at least one more societal cycle before we can replace them.