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I'm not a predator for seeking sexual satisfaction
Blackpill Men Who Get "Scammed" By Women Are Really Just Men Who Are Dishonest With Themselves (YOU NEED TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR!)
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I think ethnicity plays a big part in social/workplace dynamics, I know for a fact there are plenty of negative stereotypes about us and if I'm being honest, at my workplace I don't even bother talking to the better looking white men because they are so arrogant it's insane, along with the fact that most of them are racist as fuck. I can see it in their faces when I'm talking to them, there's no hiding it. Perhaps this may be down to the fact that I work in a supermarket which employs a lower class of people and shit might be different in a higher tier organisation but I don't know.
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Biases and looking down on unattractive guys don't go away just because you are in a professional work setting either tbh it just gets expressed more lowkey. You can still tell that no matter what you are being treated and taken less seriously and are just a second thought at best even when you humble yourself and ask for help.
You could've saved several minutes of your life and countless arguments and Walls of texts if you just said this initially.
Do you know what "blood diamonds" are?
If not google it, basically in Africa people are enslaved in diamond mines
If someone is buying diamonds knowing that they are very likely "blood diamonds" then they aren't just "paying money for a service", they are complicit in that other persons slavery, what they are doing is predatory, not any less predatory than the person enslaving others, you'd just be the other "conspirator" in that arrangement
Your average prostitute (not escort) is disenfranchised and many are forced into the work by gangs (or lone pimps). If you being complicit in that market isn't predatory when you are fully aware of these circumstances, then I don't know what we can even classify as "predatory" anymore
An "agreed upon price" doesn't mean anything, you are kinda leaving out the most obvious factors like:
1. WHY THEY ARE AGREEING TO THAT PRICE? (WHO DECIDED THAT PRICE)
2. CAN THEY EVEN REFUSE TO SERVICE ME AND NOT BE BEATEN OR KILLED?
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The first time I fucked a whore, it was a guy who collected the money at the brothel, then I walked into the room with her. You literally have to be a retard to think she has any control under those circumstances
If I had harmed her and made her scream, the guy would come in to beat me up, because I'm damaging his merchandise
If she started holding out, and wouldn't let me fuck her, and I go back to that guy and say she didn't put out, he'd instead beat her up for costing him money (I would demand a refund)
Its really men who are in control of prostitution right now, a select few powerful men, gang members, gang leaders, pimps, etc, its not the women "running the show", being complicit in that makes you a predator too
I'll say it again, I'm not making a moral argument, I don't care about morals, I have no problem being a predator, but don't be a hypocrite and lie to yourself about it, don't be deluded and pretend like you are a "good person", that's just ridiculous
Accept who you really are, because if you don't, it might actually cost you
A predator that isn't aware of its role as a predator, is not only going to be incompetent in its role (always making costly mistakes), its also going to be at risk of becoming someone else's prey (as a result of their mistakes)
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one side agreed to provide a service. if no one agreed to provide a service, then the service would not be provided.
by agreeing to provide a service, you accept the potential consequences of providing/failing to provide that service. this is particularly true in markets with minimal oversight and regulation (e.g. prostitution).
for example:
if I choose to enter the drug market, I accept the potential consequences if a deal goes bad. this is because I am willingly entering a market with minimal oversight and regulation.
also, if you agree to provide a service and refuse to deliver that service after agreed payment, then you scammed the other side. you cannot simply bend the definition of scamming to exclude women.
I'm not going to bother, you are literally ignoring everything I said, nothing you responded with has anything to do with my argument, I bring up an example of people being forced, your response is still about people agreeing to do services, you must be legit retarded because I don't expect anyone to be this disingenuous
you're not going to bother because you have no response
Yes, I have no response for something that doesn't even address my arguments
fantastic post @BlkPillPres like many others of you
in reality many men criticize dold diggers and say that isn't a real love while lusting about women from shitholes like ukraine, brazil, colombia, thailand and saying that they are trad and better while not realizing that they want to exploit them
when you see in youtube videos about sex tourists which go to asia, ee, africa you see a lot angry locals, foids which say that it's disgust behavior from men and incel forum it's otherwise, that foids are golddiggers while in reality borth parties - men and women wants to exploit each other, men go to such shitholes cause they are richer, from nation with higher status to mog poorer local males and gain sex with local women while foids want your money ( 'golddigging' ) and green card
in reality many men criticize dold diggers and say that isn't a real love while lusting about women from shitholes like ukraine, brazil, colombia, thailand and saying that they are trad and better while not realizing that they want to exploit them
when you see in youtube videos about sex tourists which go to asia, ee, africa you see a lot angry locals, foids which say that it's disgust behavior from men and incel forum it's otherwise, that foids are golddiggers while in reality borth parties - men and women wants to exploit each other, men go to such shitholes cause they are richer, from nation with higher status to mog poorer local males and gain sex with local women while foids want your money ( 'golddigging' ) and green card
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Epic thread
Can't the argument also be made that women who leverage their resources (sex) are exploiting men for money, nationality, etc. and that yes, this is what their are going as a woman who is an escort, a prostitute, or a mail order bride or a gold digger?
If that is the case, isn't this at worst a mutual exploitation? Why is only men the exploiter but not women taking using men's sexual STARVATION to milk resources from them? Sounds like what a SJW would say.
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It seems you didn't pay attention to certain parts in the thread, you are actually agreeing with me right now:
My point is that these women are THE ONLY HONEST PARTY IN THE SITUATION
Most men lie to themselves and try to convince themselves that they aren't being "predatory" in nature when they take part in these "markets", the women know full well what they are doing and are honest with themselves about trying to exploit men, that's why I don't feel sorry for the men who get exploited, because had they simply been honest with themselves, they would have expected the woman to try and exploit them
I gave many examples in the thread
For the guys who pay online to fuck escorts and then gets "ghosted", they know full well no woman wants to fuck them, had they acted like predators and accepted who they are, they would only pay in person to make sure that their prey has to do her part of the bargain
These men lie to themselves so they instead become the prey and are exploited
You see men have the final say on who becomes the prey or not, the woman or themselves, that's why its men's fault when it happens. All you have to do in order to not be exploited in the scenarios I described, is not be a dishonest fool who wants to think of themselves as a "good person" while exploiting others
If you go into these things with a "predator mindset", you won't be exploited
If you go into these things with delusions of you being a "good person" and having "innocent fun", you will be exploited
The choice is yours
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While I don't agree with the "predator" label, I fully agree with you that you should go here with the mindset that the only reason they are fucking you, are because you are paying for it and you should treat any money given in this scenario as at risk money that you should be very careful to part with.
I don't have sex with prostitutes, if I pay for sex again it will be only with reviewed escorts, I don't like the sex prostitutes give and is worse than fapping. I am not sure if this can be called predatory. Unlike street whores these ones are not in a precarious situation, they depend on that money, but it is because it is easier to give ass than working, no way are these being forced to do it the same way you can argue with regular prostitutes.
Wrong, its fast money but it isn't "easy" money
Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"
First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...
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You simply aren't mentally placing yourself into the role of the woman in all of this. That's something I go into detail about in the thread above
Wrong, its fast money but it isn't "easy" money
Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"
First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...
You simply aren't mentally placing yourself into the role of the woman in all of this. That's something I go into detail about in the thread above
Come on man, while I don't agree, I can see that argument being made for women who really have to choose between poverty and prostitution. But are you telling me it is predation to pay for a LUXURY lifestyle of a woman? I mean, this is not the case of paying for her good, it is a case of paying for her vacations or her gucci bag.
Also going by your logic. neither is the woman placing herself in the role of a guy that has to pay for sex, I guess.
You guys need to stop with this meme, its not a luxury lifestyle, you must be talking about escorts in New York, the places a man like me would go the women are making enough to "live well" and "get by", not live in luxury
If these women were making so much money, they could simply give it to their bank to invest and live off of the interest they get paid back every month, you guys act like all whores are millionaires or something JFL
Also, a lot of these women are forced into that line of work, there's usually a pimp or gang controlling them from behind the scenes, these women are getting pimped out, and yes, even the "muh escorts" are getting pimped out
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I am talking about instagram model looking escorts, not your street hooker, because I too don't like the idea of them being possibly forced by a pimp and the sex is terrible with them anyway. The type that charge at least 200$ per hour.
They are either living in luxury or at least have a middle class lifestyle. If you are paying for someone's luxury or at least middle class lifestyle, I honestly don't see how you can call it predation.
Go to the websites "tag your sponsor" and "tag the sponsor" where escorts and instagram models go to Arab countries to have sex with millionaires. Look at their lifestyle they post in their instas. Can you honestly and with a straight face tell me this is exploitation FOR THE ESCORT?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous is the amount of money you need to live off the bank interests? You need MILLIONS in the bank and if you want a high end life I am talking about tens of millions if not hundreds. Bank interests are ridiculous, if you have any investable amount of money you put it in a S&P 500 or something like that.
By the way, it is perfectly possible to live the lifestyle of a rich person without having loads of money in the bank or still depending on working, you can have a lot of income without necessarily having capital.
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So I'm reading your old posts and they are great.
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made me remember carl jung on "shadows theoryEvery once in a while I see a thread by some incel (or guy on reddit) who talks about getting "scammed" by an escort or a fake escort service, or some story about some guy who had money taken from him in a "scam" involving a woman in some fashion, and I can't feel sorry for these guys at all, because I know for a fact based on how they spoke about the scenario they are hypocrite moralfags, that's the only way you could get caught up in these scenarios.
There are many scenarios like this:
Escorts: Never shows up after you paid online.
Prostitutes: "Holds out" and doesn't perform or refuses to do acts you already negotiated after accepting payment (testing to see if you'll take what you paid for by force or "chicken out" and let her have the money).
Gold Diggers: Marries you for as long as necessary and then divorces you for your wealth.
Mail Order Brides/3RD World Marriages: Marries you for as long as possible and leaves when she gets her green card or government assistance (or takes the longer gold digger route).
Etc, etc, etc.
All of these things only happen, because the male "victims" in these scenarios REFUSED TO BE HONEST WITH THEMSELVES.
THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE A PREDATOR, EXPLOITING WOMEN TO THEIR BENEFIT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND YOU KNOW IT.
YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT (LIKE A REAL BLACK PILLER WOULD).
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY ESCORTS (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
That escort you paid for online and she didn't show up. You know full well no woman wants to fuck your ugly ass lol, that's why you are paying, so why are you pretending that this isn't basically a "hostile negotiation".
No woman wants your dick near them but for some reason you thought you could just pay for it online like ordering something from Amazon, risk free, without any woman trying to just take your money and run?
If someone was paying you $300 to do something that disgusts you to your core and is illegal, and you know full well they could never retaliate if you just took the money, wouldn't you consider just taking the money and not doing it too?
The reason why you don't think about it this way (OBJECTIVELY), is because you are the type of man who lies to themselves, you are a moralfag who wants to think of themself as a "good person", rather than admit that you are basically taking advantage of the fact that the women in these professions come from fucked up pasts and are usually lacking in resources, and you are trying to exploit that to your benefit.
If you had just been honest with yourself that YOU ARE A PREDATOR, PREYING ON THIS WEAKNESS, then you would have acted within those parameters, and never paid for it online, because then your prey could escape you.
The only reason you delude yourself into thinking that online payments for something like this is "safe" is because you want to normalize it to yourself and make it feel like more of a "business", so you don't have to admit to yourself the true nature of this arrangement.
EXPLOITATION.
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY PROSTITUTES (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
Why are you surprised when a prostitute tries to withhold sex or not go as far as promised and just take your money?
A woman in this situation is literally only fucking you because she has no choice. Going into it you know full well most of these women come from abusive homes, have been sexually assaulted since childhood, many have been raped as a child or teen (and are still raped to this day), many are working for a pimp out of fear, etc.
They spend their time with a rough crowd and are hardened by their lives, and you think not one of them is going to make you demand the pussy or lose your money?(I am fully prepared to slap a bitch in such a scenario lol, not hard enough to leave a mark though).
Talk about being deluded lol (a lot of you guys, really are skilled at lying to yourself).
If anything I kind of like when shit like this happens to a man, because it reminds him of his place in that interaction, a lot of you guys want to cope and ignore reality, and act like you are some kind of "saint" average joe while paying for sex.
When whores do this, they are putting you on the spot and REMINDING YOU HYPOCRITES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
So you can either accept that you are a predator and demand/take what you paid for, or keep coping, keep lying to yourself, and get robbed like a pathetic cuck so you can cling to your ego.
The choice is yours, but I won't feel sorry for you.
You paid for something, you have to demand it. If you feel guilty doing so or feel "like a rapist" doing so, then maybe you should have felt too bad about the situation to pay for it to begin with (common sense). Of course you'd never think of this because you'd first have to admit to yourself what you are doing to even consider it.
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY GOLD DIGGERS (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
I doubt anyone on this forum falls into this category, more likely than not its going to be some blue piller scrolling past this thread, but here goes.
You knew full well she was out of your league, you have fucking eyes, but you wanted what you wanted, and that's not the bad part, the bad (more like stupid) part was you doing what I just talked about in the last two scenarios (lying to yourself about YOUR INTENT TO EXPLOIT).
If you are in your 40's and up, and not significantly attractive, then you know full well your raggedy old ass is not even remotely attractive to even a 5/10 in her 20's lol, much more the 6+/10 in her 20's that you are "dating" and "becoming engaged" to, but you keep waking up everyday to tell yourself that lie (self delusion is a man's greatest weakness).
You keep lying to yourself about your role as a PREDATOR in this scenario, trying to exploit the lack of resources a woman has to fuck her.
Please understand what I'm saying, I'm not saying its "wrong", I'm a nihilist, I don't believe right or wrong exists, they are made up human concepts, I'm saying its MALICIOUS.
You know full well what you are doing, but because you lie to yourself and tell yourself this is "mutual", you don't "feel like a bad guy", so you never see her exploitation coming, and you are ironically surprised that she takes whatever money she can get out of you and leaves.
Its really funny when you think about it:
MEN ONLY GET EXPLOITED BY GOLD DIGGERS, BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO ADMIT TO THEMSELVES THAT THEY WERE INITIALLY EXPLOITING THESE WOMEN LACKING OPPORTUNITIES AND RESOURCES.
In other words:
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE PREY
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY MAIL ORDER BRIDES OR WOMEN YOU MARRIED IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
This is pretty much an exclusive WHITE MALE PROBLEM (especially when it comes to South East Asia (SEA), Russian brides, etc).
We've all heard these stories over and over, guy gets married to some attractive Russian woman way out of his league (or SEA asian woman) and thinks that he can bring her back to his home country, thinks that he got a "steal of a deal" (because he knew full well a woman like that would never want him outside of her circumstances).
This is what really angers me about these scenarios that I've brought up.
THE ILLOGICAL NATURE OF THE "DOUBLE THINK" MINDSET A LOT OF MEN SEEM TO HAVE.
THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
How the fuck can you both acknowledge that you are dating a woman out of your league due to her being in harsh/unfavorable conditions AND at the same time not acknowledge what you are doing as exploitation and something "predatory".
It takes a high level of dishonesty and self delusion to pull this shit off, but I digress.
The funniest part is these men always sound SO SURPRISED
I'll say again, what I said in the gold digger section:
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE PREY
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT YOU WERE EXPLOITING A WOMAN
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE VICTIM OF HER EXPLOITATION
You being "scammed" was nothing but the result of you refusing to admit to yourself your part in "the game", because you refused to admit a "game" was being played at all, so you got played instead lol.
Had you been objective, been completely aware of your intent and your exploitation of women, you would have made more calculated choices that benefited you:
1. You go live where she lives and take your resources with you, maybe get a job that pays US that you can do online, etc, that way she remains dependent on you and you have all of the leverage.
2. Try to immerse yourself with the parts of her culture that she enjoys (a minor sacrifice on your part) and distance yourself from western culture as much as possible, so that she does not come under the influence of western feminism and hypergamy.
Etc.
But instead the average guy who marries a mail order bride or marries a woman in a 3rd world country (who he knows full well is far out of his league and only with him due to lack of resources and opportunity), tells himself that "its real love" (lathers on the self delusion) and moves back to his home country with her, only to be surprised when they're broken up a few months or even weeks later
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Can a relationship like the above image last?:
Yes
Is it very likely to last and NOT JUST END AS TWO PEOPLE TRYING TO EXPLOIT EACHOTHER (WITH ONLY ONE LYING TO THEMSELVES ABOUT IT)?
NO
TRY AND BE SELF AWARE:
You aren't paying for food here, at the end of the day you are paying for sex when we get down to the core of these "arrangements", you are demanding that someone who is disgusted by you, allow you to stick your dick down their throat and more lol (and you are aware of that disgust, you just block out these thoughts).
Of course there are going to be women trying to escape such a disgusting fate, and instead just steal your money JFL.
The fact that you don't consider this, is proof that you are lying to yourself about how undesirable you are, and lying to yourself about your part in the arrangement.
The problem with you guys is that you lie to yourself, you aren't honest with yourself about your "part in that deal" so you don't think things through AS YOU SHOULD FOR A MAN IN YOUR POSITION.
YOU
ARE
A FUCKING
PREDATOR
Since you refuse to accept that, and you want to see yourself as a "likable", "kind" or "moral" person that is just struggling with the "unfairness of the dating world", YOU GET SCAMMED.
So sorry, but you have no one to blame but yourself for getting scammed in these scenarios, you got scammed because you are an egotistical self deceiving piece of shit, who wants to have it both ways and play both sides, who wants to think of themself as the "nice guy" while taking advantage of the fact that a woman had a terrible upbringing and is low on cash, so you can stick your cock down her throat (my what a "nice guy" you are taking advantage of the fact that this woman has to fuck men that disgust her for money
I hope anyone reading realizes that:
I AM NOT MAKING ANY MORAL ARGUMENTS OR TAKING A MORAL STANCE
I'm all for doing what I just described, in fact I plan on doing it, exploit away lol. This world is not a fair world so trying to play by the rules is nothing but a self imposed handicap. However don't fall under the delusion of thinking of yourself as "a good person", and then complain about the inevitable end result of you being exploited due to this delusion.
You are the one that created the blind spot (weakness) by lying to yourself.
You can't want blissful ignorance whilst taking advantage of someones shortcomings to your benefit (and not expect them to see you as an "easy mark"). You may not be aware of your exploitation of them, but THEY ARE and they will make you pay for it in the end if you aren't planning ahead and structuring your life so they can't.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SO MANY MEN WANT TO PAY FOR THE "GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE"
I only just realized this just now while writing this up.
It doesn't have anything to do with intimacy or "wanting to feel loved", it has to do with GUILT and EGO, the girlfriend experience exists so that men who pay for sex can delude themselves into thinking that the experience is "mutual" and you are "both enjoying yourselves a bit", and this "purchase" can only be enjoyed by someone who is dishonest, because nobody who is honest with themselves (and self aware) could ever fall under such a delusion, knowing full well she wouldn't even be talking to you unless you paid her to begin with.
I just know there are a lot of guys fuming right now (lol) who say all kinda shit like - "We both had fun, we went out for drinks first", "you're wrong, she was laughing, we both had a good time and that made the sex better", etc.
You really think that someone who is used to faking orgasms and sexual pleasure can't fake a smile and a few laughs?, can't fake being entertained?, she's probably thinking about her boyfriend while she has sex with you, stop coping, you literally paid extra for a lie.
IN CONCLUSION:
Let me make this simple for you, If you are going to be a guy who leverages his resources (money, nationality, etc) to exploit women for sex (and yes, that is what you are doing as a man who pays an escort, or a prostitute, or a mail order bride, or a gold digger, etc).
THEN
FUCKING
BE
"THAT GUY"
(AND STOP PRETENDING YOU AREN'T "THAT GUY", YOU KNOW FULL WELL YOU AREN'T "NICE", LIFE HAD ALREADY STRIPPED THAT TRAIT FROM YOU LONG AGO)
ACCEPT IT
OWN IT
LOVE IT
Learn to enjoy it, because you aren't doing yourself any favors with your current strategy of self deception.
A predator that doesn't admit that its a predator, won't think or act as a predator, which just makes it an incompetent predator that always makes mistakes, in other words, somebody else's prey. If you won't accept what you are, then that's the fate you have decided for yourself, a life of being played for a fool and exploited by others (especially women).
So long as you are playing fucking mental gymnastics with yourself trying to "feel like a good person", while trying to exploit women for sex, you are only just handicapping yourself because you are just half assing your "role". You'll keep making mistakes, you'll keep getting scammed, and these problems won't end with just women and sex, you'll have the same kind of problems in other aspects of your life, because you are stepping into the ring completely unaware of your surroundings and how seriously you should be taking the situation.
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Escortcelling has to be normalized.
Escortcelling has to be normalized.
sure they can steal my money. just dont get upset when i steal there pussyEvery once in a while I see a thread by some incel (or guy on reddit) who talks about getting "scammed" by an escort or a fake escort service, or some story about some guy who had money taken from him in a "scam" involving a woman in some fashion, and I can't feel sorry for these guys at all, because I know for a fact based on how they spoke about the scenario they are hypocrite moralfags, that's the only way you could get caught up in these scenarios.
There are many scenarios like this:
Escorts: Never shows up after you paid online.
Prostitutes: "Holds out" and doesn't perform or refuses to do acts you already negotiated after accepting payment (testing to see if you'll take what you paid for by force or "chicken out" and let her have the money).
Gold Diggers: Marries you for as long as necessary and then divorces you for your wealth.
Mail Order Brides/3RD World Marriages: Marries you for as long as possible and leaves when she gets her green card or government assistance (or takes the longer gold digger route).
Etc, etc, etc.
All of these things only happen, because the male "victims" in these scenarios REFUSED TO BE HONEST WITH THEMSELVES.
THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE A PREDATOR, EXPLOITING WOMEN TO THEIR BENEFIT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND YOU KNOW IT.
YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT (LIKE A REAL BLACK PILLER WOULD).
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY ESCORTS (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
That escort you paid for online and she didn't show up. You know full well no woman wants to fuck your ugly ass lol, that's why you are paying, so why are you pretending that this isn't basically a "hostile negotiation".
No woman wants your dick near them but for some reason you thought you could just pay for it online like ordering something from Amazon, risk free, without any woman trying to just take your money and run?
If someone was paying you $300 to do something that disgusts you to your core and is illegal, and you know full well they could never retaliate if you just took the money, wouldn't you consider just taking the money and not doing it too?
The reason why you don't think about it this way (OBJECTIVELY), is because you are the type of man who lies to themselves, you are a moralfag who wants to think of themself as a "good person", rather than admit that you are basically taking advantage of the fact that the women in these professions come from fucked up pasts and are usually lacking in resources, and you are trying to exploit that to your benefit.
If you had just been honest with yourself that YOU ARE A PREDATOR, PREYING ON THIS WEAKNESS, then you would have acted within those parameters, and never paid for it online, because then your prey could escape you.
The only reason you delude yourself into thinking that online payments for something like this is "safe" is because you want to normalize it to yourself and make it feel like more of a "business", so you don't have to admit to yourself the true nature of this arrangement.
EXPLOITATION.
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY PROSTITUTES (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
Why are you surprised when a prostitute tries to withhold sex or not go as far as promised and just take your money?
A woman in this situation is literally only fucking you because she has no choice. Going into it you know full well most of these women come from abusive homes, have been sexually assaulted since childhood, many have been raped as a child or teen (and are still raped to this day), many are working for a pimp out of fear, etc.
They spend their time with a rough crowd and are hardened by their lives, and you think not one of them is going to make you demand the pussy or lose your money?
Talk about being deluded lol (a lot of you guys, really are skilled at lying to yourself).
If anything I kind of like when shit like this happens to a man, because it reminds him of his place in that interaction, a lot of you guys want to cope and ignore reality, and act like you are some kind of "saint" average joe while paying for sex.
When whores do this, they are putting you on the spot and REMINDING YOU HYPOCRITES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
So you can either accept that you are a predator and demand/take what you paid for, or keep coping, keep lying to yourself, and get robbed like a pathetic cuck so you can cling to your ego.
The choice is yours, but I won't feel sorry for you.
You paid for something, you have to demand it. If you feel guilty doing so or feel "like a rapist" doing so, then maybe you should have felt too bad about the situation to pay for it to begin with (common sense). Of course you'd never think of this because you'd first have to admit to yourself what you are doing to even consider it.
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY GOLD DIGGERS (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
I doubt anyone on this forum falls into this category, more likely than not its going to be some blue piller scrolling past this thread, but here goes.
You knew full well she was out of your league, you have fucking eyes, but you wanted what you wanted, and that's not the bad part, the bad (more like stupid) part was you doing what I just talked about in the last two scenarios (lying to yourself about YOUR INTENT TO EXPLOIT).
If you are in your 40's and up, and not significantly attractive, then you know full well your raggedy old ass is not even remotely attractive to even a 5/10 in her 20's lol, much more the 6+/10 in her 20's that you are "dating" and "becoming engaged" to, but you keep waking up everyday to tell yourself that lie (self delusion is a man's greatest weakness).
You keep lying to yourself about your role as a PREDATOR in this scenario, trying to exploit the lack of resources a woman has to fuck her.
Please understand what I'm saying, I'm not saying its "wrong", I'm a nihilist, I don't believe right or wrong exists, they are made up human concepts, I'm saying its MALICIOUS.
You know full well what you are doing, but because you lie to yourself and tell yourself this is "mutual", you don't "feel like a bad guy", so you never see her exploitation coming, and you are ironically surprised that she takes whatever money she can get out of you and leaves.
Its really funny when you think about it:
MEN ONLY GET EXPLOITED BY GOLD DIGGERS, BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO ADMIT TO THEMSELVES THAT THEY WERE INITIALLY EXPLOITING THESE WOMEN LACKING OPPORTUNITIES AND RESOURCES.
In other words:
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE PREY
TO THOSE "SCAMMED" BY MAIL ORDER BRIDES OR WOMEN YOU MARRIED IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES (LIKE IN THE SCENARIO ABOVE):
This is pretty much an exclusive WHITE MALE PROBLEM (especially when it comes to South East Asia (SEA), Russian brides, etc).
We've all heard these stories over and over, guy gets married to some attractive Russian woman way out of his league (or SEA asian woman) and thinks that he can bring her back to his home country, thinks that he got a "steal of a deal" (because he knew full well a woman like that would never want him outside of her circumstances).
This is what really angers me about these scenarios that I've brought up.
THE ILLOGICAL NATURE OF THE "DOUBLE THINK" MINDSET A LOT OF MEN SEEM TO HAVE.
THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
How the fuck can you both acknowledge that you are dating a woman out of your league due to her being in harsh/unfavorable conditions AND at the same time not acknowledge what you are doing as exploitation and something "predatory".
It takes a high level of dishonesty and self delusion to pull this shit off, but I digress.
The funniest part is these men always sound SO SURPRISED
I'll say again, what I said in the gold digger section:
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE PREY
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT YOU WERE EXPLOITING A WOMAN
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE VICTIM OF HER EXPLOITATION
You being "scammed" was nothing but the result of you refusing to admit to yourself your part in "the game", because you refused to admit a "game" was being played at all, so you got played instead lol.
Had you been objective, been completely aware of your intent and your exploitation of women, you would have made more calculated choices that benefited you:
1. You go live where she lives and take your resources with you, maybe get a job that pays US that you can do online, etc, that way she remains dependent on you and you have all of the leverage.
2. Try to immerse yourself with the parts of her culture that she enjoys (a minor sacrifice on your part) and distance yourself from western culture as much as possible, so that she does not come under the influence of western feminism and hypergamy.
Etc.
But instead the average guy who marries a mail order bride or marries a woman in a 3rd world country (who he knows full well is far out of his league and only with him due to lack of resources and opportunity), tells himself that "its real love" (lathers on the self delusion) and moves back to his home country with her, only to be surprised when they're broken up a few months or even weeks later
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Can a relationship like the above image last?:
Yes
Is it very likely to last and NOT JUST END AS TWO PEOPLE TRYING TO EXPLOIT EACHOTHER (WITH ONLY ONE LYING TO THEMSELVES ABOUT IT)?
NO
TRY AND BE SELF AWARE:
You aren't paying for food here, at the end of the day you are paying for sex when we get down to the core of these "arrangements", you are demanding that someone who is disgusted by you, allow you to stick your dick down their throat and more lol (and you are aware of that disgust, you just block out these thoughts).
Of course there are going to be women trying to escape such a disgusting fate, and instead just steal your money JFL.
The fact that you don't consider this, is proof that you are lying to yourself about how undesirable you are, and lying to yourself about your part in the arrangement.
The problem with you guys is that you lie to yourself, you aren't honest with yourself about your "part in that deal" so you don't think things through AS YOU SHOULD FOR A MAN IN YOUR POSITION.
YOU
ARE
A FUCKING
PREDATOR
Since you refuse to accept that, and you want to see yourself as a "likable", "kind" or "moral" person that is just struggling with the "unfairness of the dating world", YOU GET SCAMMED.
So sorry, but you have no one to blame but yourself for getting scammed in these scenarios, you got scammed because you are an egotistical self deceiving piece of shit, who wants to have it both ways and play both sides, who wants to think of themself as the "nice guy" while taking advantage of the fact that a woman had a terrible upbringing and is low on cash, so you can stick your cock down her throat (my what a "nice guy" you are taking advantage of the fact that this woman has to fuck men that disgust her for money
I hope anyone reading realizes that:
I AM NOT MAKING ANY MORAL ARGUMENTS OR TAKING A MORAL STANCE
I'm all for doing what I just described, in fact I plan on doing it, exploit away lol. This world is not a fair world so trying to play by the rules is nothing but a self imposed handicap. However don't fall under the delusion of thinking of yourself as "a good person", and then complain about the inevitable end result of you being exploited due to this delusion.
You are the one that created the blind spot (weakness) by lying to yourself.
You can't want blissful ignorance whilst taking advantage of someones shortcomings to your benefit (and not expect them to see you as an "easy mark"). You may not be aware of your exploitation of them, but THEY ARE and they will make you pay for it in the end if you aren't planning ahead and structuring your life so they can't.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SO MANY MEN WANT TO PAY FOR THE "GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE"
I only just realized this just now while writing this up.
It doesn't have anything to do with intimacy or "wanting to feel loved", it has to do with GUILT and EGO, the girlfriend experience exists so that men who pay for sex can delude themselves into thinking that the experience is "mutual" and you are "both enjoying yourselves a bit", and this "purchase" can only be enjoyed by someone who is dishonest, because nobody who is honest with themselves (and self aware) could ever fall under such a delusion, knowing full well she wouldn't even be talking to you unless you paid her to begin with.
I just know there are a lot of guys fuming right now (lol) who say all kinda shit like - "We both had fun, we went out for drinks first", "you're wrong, she was laughing, we both had a good time and that made the sex better", etc.
You really think that someone who is used to faking orgasms and sexual pleasure can't fake a smile and a few laughs?, can't fake being entertained?, she's probably thinking about her boyfriend while she has sex with you, stop coping, you literally paid extra for a lie.
IN CONCLUSION:
Let me make this simple for you, If you are going to be a guy who leverages his resources (money, nationality, etc) to exploit women for sex (and yes, that is what you are doing as a man who pays an escort, or a prostitute, or a mail order bride, or a gold digger, etc).
THEN
FUCKING
BE
"THAT GUY"
(AND STOP PRETENDING YOU AREN'T "THAT GUY", YOU KNOW FULL WELL YOU AREN'T "NICE", LIFE HAD ALREADY STRIPPED THAT TRAIT FROM YOU LONG AGO)
ACCEPT IT
OWN IT
LOVE IT
Learn to enjoy it, because you aren't doing yourself any favors with your current strategy of self deception.
A predator that doesn't admit that its a predator, won't think or act as a predator, which just makes it an incompetent predator that always makes mistakes, in other words, somebody else's prey. If you won't accept what you are, then that's the fate you have decided for yourself, a life of being played for a fool and exploited by others (especially women).
So long as you are playing fucking mental gymnastics with yourself trying to "feel like a good person", while trying to exploit women for sex, you are only just handicapping yourself because you are just half assing your "role". You'll keep making mistakes, you'll keep getting scammed, and these problems won't end with just women and sex, you'll have the same kind of problems in other aspects of your life, because you are stepping into the ring completely unaware of your surroundings and how seriously you should be taking the situation.
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I completely agree with what you said. Arranged-marriage is the most retarded thing an unattractive man can. He's technically digging his own grave. It worked in the past but doesn't anymore. I know a lot of old couples in my extended family who are not happy about their marriage, specifically the females. They won't divorce because they are over the age of 60 and can not tolerate the hassle that it come after it. They're simply stuck in the relationship.
I guess there are still a handful of tribes in Iran who still do this to their daughter. Dad forces her girl to marry a subhuman because it has been arranged between the two families once she was born or even later.
But that doesn't end there because we live in an era where internet exists. They get arranged marriage and few years later they get divorce raped. Once their hymen is "officially" broken (I assume they've already been fucked by chad(cousin in this case) and got hymen reconstruction surgery), they are free as a bird. Al; they need to do is to install an instagram account without a profile picture. They'd still get simped after by people who randomly search a name and dm seconds after.
I myself am the result of arrangedmarriage. I'm not gonna explain further in this thread about how this has resulted in my inceldom.
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Already mentioned but the main flaw here is that you arent necessarily exploiting a whore by paying them. Some are coerced and human trafficking etc but others are just lazy to work, or want even more money, they know what they signed up for so imo it's a fair trade. It is increasingly common for foids in college to prostitute themselves out for more cash. Them being lazy or bad with money doesnt make me feel any guilt, only time I would is if they are literally being forcefully made to engage in prostitution.
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