Blackpill Men Who Get "Scammed" By Women Are Really Just Men Who Are Dishonest With Themselves (YOU NEED TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR!)

[Indari]

lay off the pipe bro

 

[Zensfy]

Didn’t read

 

[Currycel25]

I'm not a predator for seeking sexual satisfaction

 

[Lonelycel]

In my previous posts I've said that even though I don't believe it as helpful as it sounds that I still make the effort and small talk even knowing it probably won't lead to anything most of the time.

Normies are obsessed with status and looks more than is acknowledged and can be so petty as to withhold extra information. What have people here said before? It doesn't matter how good your personality skills are or how you establish rapport and build common interests. It's all looks and social/sexual appeal. What makes you think that this suddenly stops because the workplace is designated as a "professional" environment? It only continues but in more subtle ways.

"This actually happened to me, contacted another guys friend who is a successful trader and he said he won't teach me his strategy because he isn't as close to me as his friend I knew at work (completely understandable), so I just asked for basic info"

But again the definition of "closeness" and knowing someone is something normies use as a goalpost. It's always that no matter what they don't really know you that well if they see you as socially lower than them. What could that stem from if despite best efforts at talking about common interests they still insist on being distant? So in your specific example it's because the person said they didn't know you. Does that mean it's going to be like that in every or most cases? I don't think you can say that. Then the reason in other cases can then fall down to basic things like looks and social status (which is not always synonymous with career status - there are many hardworking guys that chat with co workers that still don't have a lot of status).

Funny you say this sounds like the account of a basement dweller. Do you mean someone who doesn't go outside and is a permanent NEET? Or do you mean someone that has had some experience with this and closed themselves off more when things weren't working? Because if the latter the argument you are making sounds similar to the argument bluepillers make about how incels just don't try, are scared to fail when talking to girls and are assuming things are about looks when they don't get an adequate response.

If that's true when talking about social experiences (not just dating), why are there so many people on this site that say otherwise and have had similar such experiences? Particularly when not everyone here is a NEET?
@Lonelycel @Gymcelled D @LittleBoy

I think ethnicity plays a big part in social/workplace dynamics, I know for a fact there are plenty of negative stereotypes about us and if I'm being honest, at my workplace I don't even bother talking to the better looking white men because they are so arrogant it's insane, along with the fact that most of them are racist as fuck. I can see it in their faces when I'm talking to them, there's no hiding it. Perhaps this may be down to the fact that I work in a supermarket which employs a lower class of people and shit might be different in a higher tier organisation but I don't know.

 

[your personality]

I think ethnicity plays a big part in social/workplace dynamics, I know for a fact there are plenty of negative stereotypes about us and if I'm being honest, at my workplace I don't even bother talking to the better looking white men because they are so arrogant it's insane, along with the fact that most of them are racist as fuck. I can see it in their faces when I'm talking to them, there's no hiding it. Perhaps this may be down to the fact that I work in a supermarket which employs a lower class of people and shit might be different in a higher tier organisation but I don't know.

Biases and looking down on unattractive guys don't go away just because you are in a professional work setting either tbh it just gets expressed more lowkey. You can still tell that no matter what you are being treated and taken less seriously and are just a second thought at best even when you humble yourself and ask for help.

 

[Benj-amin]

More like, stop lying to yourself theory, everything else comes naturally from that decision

You could've saved several minutes of your life and countless arguments and Walls of texts if you just said this initially.

 

[BlkPillPres]

you pay money and get a service in return
the price is agreed upon by both parties
how does that make men the "predator"?

Do you know what "blood diamonds" are?

If not google it, basically in Africa people are enslaved in diamond mines

If someone is buying diamonds knowing that they are very likely "blood diamonds" then they aren't just "paying money for a service", they are complicit in that other persons slavery, what they are doing is predatory, not any less predatory than the person enslaving others, you'd just be the other "conspirator" in that arrangement

Your average prostitute (not escort) is disenfranchised and many are forced into the work by gangs (or lone pimps). If you being complicit in that market isn't predatory when you are fully aware of these circumstances, then I don't know what we can even classify as "predatory" anymore

An "agreed upon price" doesn't mean anything, you are kinda leaving out the most obvious factors like:
1. WHY THEY ARE AGREEING TO THAT PRICE? (WHO DECIDED THAT PRICE)
2. CAN THEY EVEN REFUSE TO SERVICE ME AND NOT BE BEATEN OR KILLED?
ETC

The first time I fucked a whore, it was a guy who collected the money at the brothel, then I walked into the room with her. You literally have to be a retard to think she has any control under those circumstances

If I had harmed her and made her scream, the guy would come in to beat me up, because I'm damaging his merchandise

If she started holding out, and wouldn't let me fuck her, and I go back to that guy and say she didn't put out, he'd instead beat her up for costing him money (I would demand a refund)

Its really men who are in control of prostitution right now, a select few powerful men, gang members, gang leaders, pimps, etc, its not the women "running the show", being complicit in that makes you a predator too

I'll say it again, I'm not making a moral argument, I don't care about morals, I have no problem being a predator, but don't be a hypocrite and lie to yourself about it, don't be deluded and pretend like you are a "good person", that's just ridiculous

Accept who you really are, because if you don't, it might actually cost you

A predator that isn't aware of its role as a predator, is not only going to be incompetent in its role (always making costly mistakes), its also going to be at risk of becoming someone else's prey (as a result of their mistakes)

 

[Reprobus]

BUMP

 

[tinted_vision]

Do you know what "blood diamonds" are?

one side agreed to provide a service. if no one agreed to provide a service, then the service would not be provided.

by agreeing to provide a service, you accept the potential consequences of providing/failing to provide that service. this is particularly true in markets with minimal oversight and regulation (e.g. prostitution).

for example:

if I choose to enter the drug market, I accept the potential consequences if a deal goes bad. this is because I am willingly entering a market with minimal oversight and regulation.

also, if you agree to provide a service and refuse to deliver that service after agreed payment, then you scammed the other side. you cannot simply bend the definition of scamming to exclude women.

 

[BlkPillPres]

one side agreed to provide a service. if no one agreed to provide a service, then the service would not be provided.

by agreeing to provide a service, you accept the potential consequences of providing/failing to provide that service. this is particularly true in markets with minimal oversight and regulation (e.g. prostitution).

for example:

if I choose to enter the drug market, I accept the potential consequences if a deal goes bad. this is because I am willingly entering a market with minimal oversight and regulation.

also, if you agree to provide a service and refuse to deliver that service after agreed payment, then you scammed the other side. you cannot simply bend the definition of scamming to exclude women.

I'm not going to bother, you are literally ignoring everything I said, nothing you responded with has anything to do with my argument, I bring up an example of people being forced, your response is still about people agreeing to do services, you must be legit retarded because I don't expect anyone to be this disingenuous

 

[tinted_vision]

I'm not going to bother, you are literally ignoring everything I said, nothing you responded with has anything to do with my argument, I bring up an example of people being forced, your response is still about people agreeing to do services, you must be legit retarded because I don't expect anyone to be this disingenuous

you're not going to bother because you have no response

 

[BlkPillPres]

you're not going to bother because you have no response

Yes, I have no response for something that doesn't even address my arguments

 

[To koniec]

fantastic post @BlkPillPres like many others of you

in reality many men criticize dold diggers and say that isn't a real love while lusting about women from shitholes like ukraine, brazil, colombia, thailand and saying that they are trad and better while not realizing that they want to exploit them

when you see in youtube videos about sex tourists which go to asia, ee, africa you see a lot angry locals, foids which say that it's disgust behavior from men and incel forum it's otherwise, that foids are golddiggers while in reality borth parties - men and women wants to exploit each other, men go to such shitholes cause they are richer, from nation with higher status to mog poorer local males and gain sex with local women while foids want your money ( 'golddigging' ) and green card

 

[Currycel25]

Epic thread

 

[Neetocel]

IN CONCLUSION:
Let me make this simple for you, If you are going to be a guy who leverages his resources (money, nationality, etc) to exploit women for sex (and yes, that is what you are doing as a man who pays an escort, or a prostitute, or a mail order bride, or a gold digger, etc).

Can't the argument also be made that women who leverage their resources (sex) are exploiting men for money, nationality, etc. and that yes, this is what their are going as a woman who is an escort, a prostitute, or a mail order bride or a gold digger?

If that is the case, isn't this at worst a mutual exploitation? Why is only men the exploiter but not women taking using men's sexual STARVATION to milk resources from them? Sounds like what a SJW would say.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Can't the argument also be made that women who leverage their resources (sex) are exploiting men for money, nationality, etc. and that yes, this is what their are going as a woman who is an escort, a prostitute, or a mail order bride or a gold digger?

If that is the case, isn't this at worst a mutual exploitation? Why is only men the exploiter but not women taking using men's sexual STARVATION to milk resources from them? Sounds like what a SJW would say.

It seems you didn't pay attention to certain parts in the thread, you are actually agreeing with me right now:

I'll say again, what I said in the gold digger section:
BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A PREDATOR
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE PREY

BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT YOU WERE EXPLOITING A WOMAN
YOU INSTEAD BECAME THE VICTIM OF HER EXPLOITATION

You being "scammed" was nothing but the result of you refusing to admit to yourself your part in "the game", because you refused to admit a "game" was being played at all, so you got played instead lol.

My point is that these women are THE ONLY HONEST PARTY IN THE SITUATION

Most men lie to themselves and try to convince themselves that they aren't being "predatory" in nature when they take part in these "markets", the women know full well what they are doing and are honest with themselves about trying to exploit men, that's why I don't feel sorry for the men who get exploited, because had they simply been honest with themselves, they would have expected the woman to try and exploit them

I gave many examples in the thread

For the guys who pay online to fuck escorts and then gets "ghosted", they know full well no woman wants to fuck them, had they acted like predators and accepted who they are, they would only pay in person to make sure that their prey has to do her part of the bargain

These men lie to themselves so they instead become the prey and are exploited

You see men have the final say on who becomes the prey or not, the woman or themselves, that's why its men's fault when it happens. All you have to do in order to not be exploited in the scenarios I described, is not be a dishonest fool who wants to think of themselves as a "good person" while exploiting others

If you go into these things with a "predator mindset", you won't be exploited

If you go into these things with delusions of you being a "good person" and having "innocent fun", you will be exploited

The choice is yours

 

[Neetocel]

It seems you didn't pay attention to certain parts in the thread, you are actually agreeing with me right now:


My point is that these women are THE ONLY HONEST PARTY IN THE SITUATION

Most men lie to themselves and try to convince themselves that they aren't being "predatory" in nature when they take part in these "markets", the women know full well what they are doing and are honest with themselves about trying to exploit men, that's why I don't feel sorry for the men who get exploited, because had they simply been honest with themselves, they would have expected the woman to try and exploit them

I gave many examples in the thread

For the guys who pay online to fuck escorts and then get ghosted, they know full well no woman wants to fuck them, had they acted like predators and accepted who they are, they would only pay in person to make sure that their prey has to do her part of the bargain

These men lie to themselves so they instead become the prey and are exploited

You see men have the final say on who becomes the prey or not, the woman or themselves, that's why its men's fault when it happens. All you have to do in order to not be exploited in the scenarios I described, is not be a dishonest fool who wants to think of themselves as a "good person" while exploiting others

If you go into these things with a "predator mindset", you won't be exploited

If you go into these things with delusions of you being a "good person" and having "innocent fun", you will be exploited

The choice is yours

While I don't agree with the "predator" label, I fully agree with you that you should go here with the mindset that the only reason they are fucking you, are because you are paying for it and you should treat any money given in this scenario as at risk money that you should be very careful to part with.

I don't have sex with prostitutes, if I pay for sex again it will be only with reviewed escorts, I don't like the sex prostitutes give and is worse than fapping. I am not sure if this can be called predatory. Unlike street whores these ones are not in a precarious situation, they depend on that money, but it is because it is easier to give ass than working, no way are these being forced to do it the same way you can argue with regular prostitutes.

 

[BlkPillPres]

but it is because it is easier to give ass than working

Wrong, its fast money but it isn't "easy" money

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free" | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

You simply aren't mentally placing yourself into the role of the woman in all of this. That's something I go into detail about in the thread above

 

[Neetocel]

Wrong, its fast money but it isn't "easy" money

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free" | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

You simply aren't mentally placing yourself into the role of the woman in all of this. That's something I go into detail about in the thread above

Come on man, while I don't agree, I can see that argument being made for women who really have to choose between poverty and prostitution. But are you telling me it is predation to pay for a LUXURY lifestyle of a woman? I mean, this is not the case of paying for her good, it is a case of paying for her vacations or her gucci bag.

Also going by your logic. neither is the woman placing herself in the role of a guy that has to pay for sex, I guess.

 

[BlkPillPres]

But are you telling me it is predation to pay for a LUXURY lifestyle of a woman?

You guys need to stop with this meme, its not a luxury lifestyle, you must be talking about escorts in New York, the places a man like me would go the women are making enough to "live well" and "get by", not live in luxury

If these women were making so much money, they could simply give it to their bank to invest and live off of the interest they get paid back every month, you guys act like all whores are millionaires or something JFL

Also, a lot of these women are forced into that line of work, there's usually a pimp or gang controlling them from behind the scenes, these women are getting pimped out, and yes, even the "muh escorts" are getting pimped out

 

[Neetocel]

You guys need to stop with this meme, its not a luxury lifestyle, you must be talking about escorts in New York, the places a man like me would go the women are making enough to "live well" and "get by", not live in luxury

I am talking about instagram model looking escorts, not your street hooker, because I too don't like the idea of them being possibly forced by a pimp and the sex is terrible with them anyway. The type that charge at least 200$ per hour.

They are either living in luxury or at least have a middle class lifestyle. If you are paying for someone's luxury or at least middle class lifestyle, I honestly don't see how you can call it predation.

Go to the websites "tag your sponsor" and "tag the sponsor" where escorts and instagram models go to Arab countries to have sex with millionaires. Look at their lifestyle they post in their instas. Can you honestly and with a straight face tell me this is exploitation FOR THE ESCORT?

If these women were making so much money, they could simply give it to their bank to invest and live off of the interest they get paid back every month, you guys act like all whores are millionaires or something JFL

Do you have any idea how ridiculous is the amount of money you need to live off the bank interests? You need MILLIONS in the bank and if you want a high end life I am talking about tens of millions if not hundreds. Bank interests are ridiculous, if you have any investable amount of money you put it in a S&P 500 or something like that.

By the way, it is perfectly possible to live the lifestyle of a rich person without having loads of money in the bank or still depending on working, you can have a lot of income without necessarily having capital.

Also, a lot of these women are forced into that line of work, there's usually a pimp or gang controlling them from behind the scenes, these women are getting pimped out, and yes, even the "muh escorts" are getting pimped out