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Serious Incels write letter to the U.S. Attorney General regarding Serge, Master, and Sanctioned Suicide

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PPEcel said:
Nobody's getting convicted of anything here
meh, not interested in arguing semantics.
 
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PPEcel said:
On December 21st, 2021, seven members of the U.S. House of Representatives wrote to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland asking if the U.S. Department of Justice can investigate and prosecute our former administrators for their involvement in another website, Sanctioned Suicide. This followed the New York Times article regarding that website earlier this month.

Several members of various incel communities were aware of the situation but decided against writing a post on the issue at the time while we decided on the stance we take on the issue. Now, here is our current stance:

1. We currently do not believe there is any genuine threat to incels.is' current operations, or to the safety of our former administrators. Having discussed the matter, our analysis is that this is entirely political theater with little or no legal substance. The closest comparison I can make to this situation is when Ted Cruz and other members of Congress wrote letters to the DOJ asking then-AG Barr to prosecute Netflix on child pornography charges. Yes, that happened. Lawmakers pull stunts like this because they can virtue-signal to white mom lobby groups that they did something whilst punting the issue and deflecting blame for any inaction to the DOJ.

2. We have reliable information that since the publication of the New York Times article, a few U.S.-based individuals who we know of are actively lobbying members of Congress to censor incels.is, amongst other communities. Additionally, we know that these individuals seek to sow disinformation in these communities out of spite. However, their financial backing is pretty much zero relative to their aims, so we will not elaborate as not to give the crazies any legitimacy or publicity.

3. We note that one or more advocacy groups have also submitted their own comments on the issue of Sanctioned Suicide to the DOJ. We strongly and unreservedly support the right to freedom of speech, and the right to petition the government, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. To that effect, we have decided to add our perspective to the conversation.

We have submitted the following correspondence to Attorney General Garland. Copies of this letter were also sent to the seven members of Congress, and two reporters at the New York Times. We encourage every incel to read this letter in its entirety.


Thank you.

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While I understand the legality of the issue in that it should be illegal of a media institution of the United States to doxx individuals who clearly aren't doing anything wrong, understand that currently, the United States along with much of the west is now lawless. Recall that with the mandate hundreds of thousands if not more have lost their jobs, incomes, and livelihoods because they refuse to take a vaccine, if they can get away with doing that they can get away with anything which is just one example of lawlessness here. The rule of law now is effectively dead. :feelsjuice: :yes:
 
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MarquisDeSade said:
While I understand the legality of the issue in that it should be illegal of a media institution of the United States to doxx individuals who clearly aren't doing anything wrong, understand that currently, the United States along with much of the west is now lawless. Recall that with the mandate hundreds of thousands if not more have lost their jobs, incomes, and livelihoods because they refuse to take a vaccine, if they can get away with doing that they can get away with anything which is just one example of lawlessness here. :feelsjuice: :yes:
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SpinxS said:
Tbh you have to be a complete sociopath to be okay with running a website were young teenage kids go there and some kill themselves
Oh no not le childerinos :feelstastyman:
 
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SlayerSlayer said:
who made you god?
What does being a god have to do with what i said JFL
Lv99_BixNood said:
Oh no not le childerinos :feelstastyman:
Low IQ comment
 
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SpinxS said:
What does being a god have to do with what i said JFL

Low IQ comment
can you just respect a nigger's decision to seppuku? The world is a disgusting pointless place
 
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Damnn there coming in heavy
 
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SpinxS said:
What does being a god have to do with what i said JFL

Low IQ comment
:soy: comment
 
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PPEcel said:
On December 21st, 2021, seven members of the U.S. House of Representatives wrote to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland asking if the U.S. Department of Justice can investigate and prosecute our former administrators for their involvement in another website, Sanctioned Suicide. This followed the New York Times article regarding that website earlier this month.

Several members of various incel communities were aware of the situation but decided against writing a post on the issue at the time while we decided on the stance we take on the issue. Now, here is our current stance:

1. We currently do not believe there is any genuine threat to incels.is' current operations, or to the safety of our former administrators. Having discussed the matter, our analysis is that this is entirely political theater with little or no legal substance. The closest comparison I can make to this situation is when Ted Cruz and other members of Congress wrote letters to the DOJ asking then-AG Barr to prosecute Netflix on child pornography charges. Yes, that happened. Lawmakers pull stunts like this because they can virtue-signal to white mom lobby groups that they did something whilst punting the issue and deflecting blame for any inaction to the DOJ.

2. We have reliable information that since the publication of the New York Times article, a few U.S.-based individuals who we know of are actively lobbying members of Congress to censor incels.is, amongst other communities. Additionally, we know that these individuals seek to sow disinformation in these communities out of spite. However, their financial backing is pretty much zero relative to their aims, so we will not elaborate as not to give the crazies any legitimacy or publicity.

3. We note that one or more advocacy groups have also submitted their own comments on the issue of Sanctioned Suicide to the DOJ. We strongly and unreservedly support the right to freedom of speech, and the right to petition the government, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. To that effect, we have decided to add our perspective to the conversation.

We have submitted the following correspondence to Attorney General Garland. Copies of this letter were also sent to the seven members of Congress, and two reporters at the New York Times. We encourage every incel to read this letter in its entirety.


Thank you.

Infinity @Infinity AmIjustDreaming @AmIjustDreaming Fat Link @Fat Link Robtical @Robtical MarquisDeSade @MarquisDeSade Lv99_BixNood @Lv99_BixNood IncelCream @IncelCream Wellington @Wellington Hell @Hell TheProphetMuscle @TheProphetMuscle Deleted member 17245 @suigin Vrthraghna @Vrthraghna Angry_runt @Angry_runt JoeBruhcel @JoeBruhcel Arabcel9 @Arabcel9 Transcended Trucel @Transcended Trucel Rhaast @Rhaast PoodankMcGee @PoodankMcGee fast_curry @fast_curry IncelHQ @IncelHQ wgm24 @wgm24 Oroborus @Oroborus erenyeager @erenyeager TheNEET @TheNEET M @MARTYRDOM GOD X faded @faded nystagmuscel @nystagmuscel solblue @solblue Mecoja @Mecoja Escthectrler @Escthectrler Restart80 @Restart80 Speed @Speed incelerated @incelerated Ghostbuster15k @Ghostbuster15k Blackpillapologist @Blackpillapologist OscarAllius @OscarAllius kampman @kampman Mentally lost cel @Mentally lost cel Lycan @Lycan THE TRUE HONKLER @THE TRUE HONKLER Honeypot @Honeypot Zer0/∞ @Zer0/∞ Saudade @Saudade ThoughtfulCel @ThoughtfulCel Loner94 @Loner94 Steiner Ex Machina @Steiner Ex Machina Misanthropy1 @Misanthropy1 Incellectual @Incellectual Meus @Meus SlayerSlayer @SlayerSlayer KingChemist @KingChemist proudweeb @proudweeb FrothySolutions @FrothySolutions Words2_live_bye @Words2_live_bye 22yearoldcel @22yearoldcel SoloAlex @SoloAlex Arthas93 @Arthas93 ordinaryotaku @ordinaryotaku Hapacalyptist @Hapacalyptist Immolator @Immolator M12Comic @M12Comic -BrettyBoy- @-BrettyBoy- BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres
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Did you write that yourself?

Why am I not tagged?
 
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I thought it was a well-written letter, and explained the problem with going after SS very well. I fall into the camp of "uncomfortable that the site exists", but I 100% feel that the site should be allowed to exist and be listed. Suicide is one of those issues like "think of the children", where it's very, very easy to be perceived as an absolute monster for even just making fairly reasonable statements. It's an easy political win, but it suffers the same problem as TOTC - once the easy wins that are actually reasonable law are harvested, then the only remaining easy wins are the unreasonable laws. Just because the proposed law is unreasonable doesn't mean it won't be supported if it's an easy win, so it's imperative to try to shut that shit down.

Thank you PPEcel @PPEcel for your role in getting that letter to the right hands.
 
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PPEcel @PPEcel Why didn't you tag me, you fucking chink?

Important thread, btw. Everyone should know about this, even if we shouldn't be talking about it and giving ammo to critics.
 
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SlayerSlayer said:
ITcels are gonna bring out the champagne and buttplugs in celebration at this act of desperation
 
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ilieknothing said:
1. Make a bomb
2. Place it in a school

Take me to prison glowniggers. :feelsLSD:
"We the fbi gotta take you to jail. How could you post something so crude":soy:
Arthas93 said:
I am against suicide, but I understand that they had the right to talk about it.
Encouraging it on the other hand seems wrong to me now.

I hope Serge and Master get some good male lawyers to guide them.
I don't think they will be criminally charged but they might get civil charges.
They'd get the elf lawyer from stone ocean prolly with incel luck
 
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AutisticMonstrosity said:
Did you write that yourself?

Why am I not tagged?
 
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Philistine said:
What brought NYT's attention to SS in the first place again? Wasn't it because some femoid took sodium nitrate after breaking up with her boyfriend? lol
Dedsrs it was because of this
Just further proof of how cucked the 1st world has become
 
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PPEcel @PPEcel not being here at this truecel-time is telling... HE IS NOT A TRUECEL
 
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ItsOver4cel said:
Dedsrs it was because of this
Just further proof of how cucked the 1st world has become
Foids literally have it so easy, they create their own mental battles when they no longer have everything.
 
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they shouldn't even know what incel is they're going to care about letter?
 
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0Energy0Happyness said:
they shouldn't even know what incel is they're going to care about letter?
common sense is truly lacking in Oxbridgecels. Also the CoD references
 
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I stickied the thread bros. :feelsokman:
 
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Loner94 said:
Damnn there coming in heavy
"Heavy" means having a court order shutting us down.

SlayerSlayer said:
Also the CoD references
To highlight the sheer absurdity and disproportionality of any policy prescription that infringes on the First Amendment.
 
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PPEcel said:
On December 21st, 2021, seven members of the U.S. House of Representatives wrote to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland asking if the U.S. Department of Justice can investigate and prosecute our former administrators for their involvement in another website, Sanctioned Suicide. This followed the New York Times article regarding that website earlier this month.

Several members of various incel communities were aware of the situation but decided against writing a post on the issue at the time while we decided on the stance we take on the issue. Now, here is our current stance:

1. We currently do not believe there is any genuine threat to incels.is' current operations, or to the safety of our former administrators. Having discussed the matter, our analysis is that this is entirely political theater with little or no legal substance. The closest comparison I can make to this situation is when Ted Cruz and other members of Congress wrote letters to the DOJ asking then-AG Barr to prosecute Netflix on child pornography charges. Yes, that happened. Lawmakers pull stunts like this because they can virtue-signal to white mom lobby groups that they did something whilst punting the issue and deflecting blame for any inaction to the DOJ.

2. We have reliable information that since the publication of the New York Times article, a few U.S.-based individuals who we know of are actively lobbying members of Congress to censor incels.is, amongst other communities. Additionally, we know that these individuals seek to sow disinformation in these communities out of spite. However, their financial backing is pretty much zero relative to their aims, so we will not elaborate as not to give the crazies any legitimacy or publicity.

3. We note that one or more advocacy groups have also submitted their own comments on the issue of Sanctioned Suicide to the DOJ. We strongly and unreservedly support the right to freedom of speech, and the right to petition the government, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. To that effect, we have decided to add our perspective to the conversation.

We have submitted the following correspondence to Attorney General Garland. Copies of this letter were also sent to the seven members of Congress, and two reporters at the New York Times. We encourage every incel to read this letter in its entirety.


Thank you.

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While normies bully ostracize and harass and make people go er or suicide no one does anything plus they protect the bully and evil people while we say shit and they want to put us in prison
 
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Mentally lost cel said:
While normies bully ostracize and harass and make people go er or suicide no one does anything plus they protect the bully and evil people while we say shit and they want to put us in prison
we are truly the most misunderstood beings in the universe. Well maybe furries have it as bad, but they are incels too
 
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0Energy0Happyness said:
they shouldn't even know what incel is they're going to care about letter?
As of 2020, they have classified incels and inceldom inside the United States as a domestic terrorism organization, I kid you not boyos.

But do not fret boyos, they won't shut our forum down for a couple of reasons brocels and I will tell you why as much as the Plebbitors over at IT wet themselves fantasizing about.

1. The FEDS don't want to shut us down completely because they like having a place where they can constantly observe, watch, and study us from. The very idea of all the incels going dark having no communications online for them to spy on frightens them especially with all the crazed ER types running around.

2. It's politically expedient for them to allow us to exist so that way all the crying cunt feminists have something to point out to reinforce their notions of male patriarchal oppression. We're a favorite boogeyman of theirs currently in vogue as they say where they like having a place in existence where we congregate so they can say, "See, look at those evil men over there that want to oppress our precious vaj-jay-jays!"

We're not going anywhere anytime soon and should they actually prosecute members for merely speaking they'll open a literal can of worms regarding acceptable freedom of speech clauses inside the United States which will be very tedious plus expensive concerning wrongful prosecutions. [Not all incels are violent or criminal.]

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MarquisDeSade said:
As of 2020, they have classified incels and inceldom inside the United States as a domestic terrorism organization, I kid you not boyos.

No such classification exists because a) incels are not an organization, and b) unlike the U.K. and Canada, no legal mechanism exists to allow the U.S. government to classify a "domestic terrorism organization".

I remember when the Trump administration briefly considered classifying Antifa as one, only to be shut down.
 
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Thanks you got my support. They helped all of us out, so the least I can do is try to support them here.
 
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PPEcel said:
No such classification exists because a) incels are not an organization, and b) unlike the U.K. and Canada, no legal mechanism exists to allow the U.S. government to classify a "domestic terrorism organization".

I remember when the Trump administration briefly considered classifying Antifa as one, only to be shut down.
These are absurd political times fren, where they openly persecute anybody and anyone that holds views, not of the institutional established political status quo, they do things all the time that doesn't make sense and shouldn't be legal, but unfortunately, that has never stopped them before on multiple fronts. People mistakenly think that laws on the books exist to protect people like us, but unfortunately, they interpret the laws themselves to fit their own social-political narratives, they pick and choose which laws to follow. Once you understand that the entire world now is lawless turning into despotism everything else starts to make sense. :feelsjuice:
 
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PPEcel said:
1. We currently do not believe there is any genuine threat to incels.is' current operations, or to the safety of our former administrators. Having discussed the matter, our analysis is that this is entirely political theater with little or no legal substance.

Are you sure? The Interpol is investigating Serges
 
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A huge elephant running towards "Sanctioned Suicide".
Incel.is: Hey, it's a great idea to raise attention and put myself also on the way of the elephant!
 
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well, i hope nothing bad happens to serge and master
and to the forum, obviously
 
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based_meme said:
PPEcel @PPEcel Why didn't you tag me, you fucking chink?

Important thread, btw. Everyone should know about this, even if we shouldn't be talking about it and giving ammo to critics.
Because you didn't reply to a previous thread that was pertinent to this issue. I don't have a mental list of important users.

AutisticMonstrosity said:
PPEcel @PPEcel not being here at this truecel-time is telling... HE IS NOT A TRUECEL
How?
 
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So tl;dr they did nothing illegal but the government wish they did so the long game is to change the laws to make it so?
Is that the gist of it?
 
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PPEcel said:
Did you spend your new year's eve alone in front of screen?

Did you write alone that letter?
 
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Gymcelled said:
So tl;dr they did nothing illegal but the government wish they did so the long game is to change the laws to make it so?
Is that the gist of it?
You're on the right track.

AutisticMonstrosity said:
Did you spend your new year's eve alone in front of screen?

Did you write alone that letter?
No.

Can't say.
 
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PPEcel said:
Because you didn't reply to a previous thread that was pertinent to this issue. I don't have a mental list of important users.
I didn't reply, but I did read it. You don't have to reply to every thread you read. Sometimes it's just info and there isn't any useful contribution you can make.
 
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SpinxS said:
Tbh you have to be a complete sociopath to be okay with running a website were young teenage kids go there and some kill themselves
There has never been a case of that.
 
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The United States has some of the strongest free speech laws in the world. This isn't some European shithole country. I fully expected absolutely nothing to happen legal wise because of the dox. There is literally no case. People forget that organizations like the Church of Euthanasia have existed for a long time. Advocating for suicide, which is what all these liberals support anyways through euthanasia, is a constitutionally protected right.
 
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FrothySolutions said:
Uhhhhh... on the one hand I don't want Sarge and Master to go jail or anything, and they likely won't.

On the other hand, I have long been adamantly opposed to the idea of Sanctioned Suicide, both the forum and the concept itself. So I'm pretty secure in my conscience in not signing this letter. Is that what we're doing? Signing this letter?

Whatever we're doing, Sarge and Master will likely not be convicted of anything.

i mean, you could try minding your own fucking business but i suppose that's asking too much.

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Tbh you have to be a complete sociopath to be okay with running a website were young teenage kids go there and some kill themselves

mariana trench IQ. the 'think of the children' argument has been beaten to death already. there are many adults who suffer and it's much better that they at least have a resource so they can go as painlessly and quietly as possible.
 
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Then you aren't a truecel, that was the idea here. Were you invited to a party?
 
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imanuglysob said:
i mean, you could try minding your own fucking business but i suppose that's asking too much.



mariana trench IQ. the 'think of the children' argument has been beaten to death already. there are many adults who suffer and it's much better that they at least have a resource so they can go as painlessly and quietly as possible.

Even if it's adults looking to kill themselves, it's still abhorrent.

And bizarre. I don't care how badly you wanna die, what makes you think you're gonna find people who are like "Here's how to die?" We have so much to say about what's typical of society and what's unlikely. Makes no sense to supposedly know society but be surprised that answers from society about how to kill yourself don't come easy.
 
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FrothySolutions said:
Even if it's adults looking to kill themselves, it's still abhorrent.

And bizarre. I don't care how badly you wanna die, what makes you think you're gonna find people who are like "Here's how to die?" We have so much to say about what's typical of society and what's unlikely. Makes no sense to supposedly know society but be surprised that answers from society about how to kill yourself don't come easy.
maybe im biased because im suicidal myself but i found that site incredibly useful and saved the information on it so if it goes down again, i still have it. why do i find it useful? i at least now i have a relatively painless and available method, instead of some violent hanging or gunshot which might leave me crippled but still alive.

im still suicidal if that site exists or not.
 
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imanuglysob said:
maybe im biased because im suicidal myself but i found that site incredibly useful and saved the information on it so if it goes down again, i still have it. why do i find it useful? i at least now i have a relatively painless and available method, instead of some violent hanging or gunshot which might leave me crippled but still alive.

im still suicidal if that site exists or not.

You're biased because of the fucked up perspective of seeing suicide advice as "useful." My point is, even if you are suicidal you must understand that the norm is to revile suicide and urge people not to pursue it. So to even ask for advice shows a warped understanding of the world.
 
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You're biased because of the fucked up perspective of seeing suicide advice as "useful." My point is, even if you are suicidal you must understand that the norm is to revile suicide and urge people not to pursue it. So to even ask for advice shows a warped understanding of the world.

what about the right to die movement - do you think people who are terminally ill should have the right to suicide? or should they suffer at the hands of their untreatable diseases until they die painfully?
 
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what about the right to die movement - do you think people who are terminally ill should have the right to suicide? or should they suffer at the hands of their untreatable diseases until they die painfully?

Shouldn't we instead improve palliative care? Or are these terminally ill simply bored of life and eager for death?
 
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Shouldn't we instead improve palliative care? Or are these terminally ill simply bored of life and eager for death?

how about letting people decide for themselves instead of some anonymous person who has no idea what its like?
 
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imanuglysob said:
how about letting people decide for themselves instead of some anonymous person who has no idea what its like?

Because if we let you kill yourself, we are validating suicide. You killing yourself within a society that forbids it? You then force our standards to accept suicide.
 
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Because if we let you kill yourself, we are validating suicide. You killing yourself within a society that forbids it? You then force our standards to accept suicide.
i guess we are just never going to agree. i hope you never get dementia or alzheimer's. it's better to be dead than die shitting yourself and not remmebering who or what you are.
 
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i guess we are just never going to agree. i hope you never get dementia or alzheimer's. it's better to be dead than die shitting yourself and not remmebering who or what you are.

Dementia is a looming sword, yes. But the answer isn't "Better kill myself once my mind starts to go." Suicide is more abhorrent than dementia.
 
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