Originally I wanted to reply to this @Stupid Clown thread:
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But I decided to turn this into a thread on its own.
Redpill/PUA grifters are memeing men into “approaching” women as they always did, but I also noticed that some people on this forum shame other members for not “cold approaching” women for a thousand times, saying that they haven’t tried hard enough if they didn’t do it.
I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
People aren’t individuals. All people fall into archetypes, including you. The people you met through various stages of education, the ones who didn’t want anything to do with you, bullied/mocked/talked shit behind your back – in general these are the same people, or rather the same archetypes of people that you meet at work, public transport, galleries and restaurants. The only thing that changed is setting and its decorum.
School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this. Something like a work place has different set of social rules (unless you work in a mine with alcoholics lmao), once you’ve finished your education it’s expected of you that you’ll larp as this “mature” person, it’s no longer beneficial for people to openly show their disdain to you so they don’t unless they can “moralize” it somehow – “oh, I saw him checking his phone, he’s so lazy!/he was creeping on office lady I swear!” etc.
In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
But back to the main topic – these are the very same women who were disgusted by you in school.
Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:
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What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.
“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?
How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?
“Maybe she wants to find a man but didn’t look and so you coming up to her is easy chance for her” is the only possible explanation anyone could come up with, but holy shit is it retarded when confronted with reality. Women choose who they hang around with, where they go and what social settings they frequent when they’re looking for someone. Women have no problem getting into any given social setting, people are eager to have them around. They don’t need random niggas coming up to them while they’re minding their own business, they get their fix.
It’s easier for a woman to get sex than it is for me to order pizza. I’m not exaggerating. I have to take out the money, call the pizzeria, and it may happen that they have too many orders or the scumbags working there are too busy smoking weed to be arsed so I won’t get my order and there isn’t any other pizzeria around. A woman can go at any given moment on ANY dating app and find dozens of men ready for sex right now and pick through them.
Just how incredibly bluepilled do you have to be to believe that someone who otherwise didn’t had any luck in social settings he went through could find a woman if he pestered couple hundred of random broads?
Another thing, it’s actually dangerous for you to “approach” unless you’re at least HtN, and the uglier you are the worse it gets. Some HtN will most likely not face consequences for “approaching”, even if the women are uninterested they’ll just laugh it off.
Meanwhile, people subconsciously hate your sub5 ass, they want to punish you. You can actually go to jail for this shit and nobody will have sympathy for you. I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.
And now, final nail in the coffin – things I wrote extend to all socializing + people don’t actively go out of their way to find someone, be it a friend or a lover, it happens naturally on its own.
Just yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.
Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.
On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.
Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
You can’t negotiate interest, you can’t draw blood with a turnip, you can’t draw honey from a stone.
The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.
I think what happens is that:
a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)
b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me
...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
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We're entering the new age of PUA. So many young men have been rejected and ignored on dating apps. All these young men are watching YouTube videos with thousands of likes that tell them they have an advantage by approaching IRL instead. There's comments with thousands of likes saying the...
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Redpill/PUA grifters are memeing men into “approaching” women as they always did, but I also noticed that some people on this forum shame other members for not “cold approaching” women for a thousand times, saying that they haven’t tried hard enough if they didn’t do it.
I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
People aren’t individuals. All people fall into archetypes, including you. The people you met through various stages of education, the ones who didn’t want anything to do with you, bullied/mocked/talked shit behind your back – in general these are the same people, or rather the same archetypes of people that you meet at work, public transport, galleries and restaurants. The only thing that changed is setting and its decorum.
School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this. Something like a work place has different set of social rules (unless you work in a mine with alcoholics lmao), once you’ve finished your education it’s expected of you that you’ll larp as this “mature” person, it’s no longer beneficial for people to openly show their disdain to you so they don’t unless they can “moralize” it somehow – “oh, I saw him checking his phone, he’s so lazy!/he was creeping on office lady I swear!” etc.
In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
But back to the main topic – these are the very same women who were disgusted by you in school.
Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:
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"Most of the damage women do is indirect. If she only bats her eyes to induce a guy into a fight, nobody's going to blame her. Women do a lot of things that provoke and trigger responses in men. But nobody seems able to see that." - Herb Goldberg, Ph D., author of The Hazards of Being Male, in...
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What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.
“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?
How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?
“Maybe she wants to find a man but didn’t look and so you coming up to her is easy chance for her” is the only possible explanation anyone could come up with, but holy shit is it retarded when confronted with reality. Women choose who they hang around with, where they go and what social settings they frequent when they’re looking for someone. Women have no problem getting into any given social setting, people are eager to have them around. They don’t need random niggas coming up to them while they’re minding their own business, they get their fix.
It’s easier for a woman to get sex than it is for me to order pizza. I’m not exaggerating. I have to take out the money, call the pizzeria, and it may happen that they have too many orders or the scumbags working there are too busy smoking weed to be arsed so I won’t get my order and there isn’t any other pizzeria around. A woman can go at any given moment on ANY dating app and find dozens of men ready for sex right now and pick through them.
Just how incredibly bluepilled do you have to be to believe that someone who otherwise didn’t had any luck in social settings he went through could find a woman if he pestered couple hundred of random broads?
Another thing, it’s actually dangerous for you to “approach” unless you’re at least HtN, and the uglier you are the worse it gets. Some HtN will most likely not face consequences for “approaching”, even if the women are uninterested they’ll just laugh it off.
Meanwhile, people subconsciously hate your sub5 ass, they want to punish you. You can actually go to jail for this shit and nobody will have sympathy for you. I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.
And now, final nail in the coffin – things I wrote extend to all socializing + people don’t actively go out of their way to find someone, be it a friend or a lover, it happens naturally on its own.
Just yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.
Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.
On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.
Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
You can’t negotiate interest, you can’t draw blood with a turnip, you can’t draw honey from a stone.
The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.
I think what happens is that:
a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)
b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me
...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
