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RageFuel I'll never understand that - what fucking compels someone to walk up to a completely uninterested woman and try to woo her?

Sergeant Kelly

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Originally I wanted to reply to this @Stupid Clown thread:
But I decided to turn this into a thread on its own.

Redpill/PUA grifters are memeing men into “approaching” women as they always did, but I also noticed that some people on this forum shame other members for not “cold approaching” women for a thousand times, saying that they haven’t tried hard enough if they didn’t do it.

I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?

Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.

People aren’t individuals. All people fall into archetypes, including you. The people you met through various stages of education, the ones who didn’t want anything to do with you, bullied/mocked/talked shit behind your back – in general these are the same people, or rather the same archetypes of people that you meet at work, public transport, galleries and restaurants. The only thing that changed is setting and its decorum.

School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this. Something like a work place has different set of social rules (unless you work in a mine with alcoholics lmao), once you’ve finished your education it’s expected of you that you’ll larp as this “mature” person, it’s no longer beneficial for people to openly show their disdain to you so they don’t unless they can “moralize” it somehow – “oh, I saw him checking his phone, he’s so lazy!/he was creeping on office lady I swear!” etc.

In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.

But back to the main topic – these are the very same women who were disgusted by you in school.

Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:

What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.

“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?

How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?

“Maybe she wants to find a man but didn’t look and so you coming up to her is easy chance for her” is the only possible explanation anyone could come up with, but holy shit is it retarded when confronted with reality. Women choose who they hang around with, where they go and what social settings they frequent when they’re looking for someone. Women have no problem getting into any given social setting, people are eager to have them around. They don’t need random niggas coming up to them while they’re minding their own business, they get their fix.

It’s easier for a woman to get sex than it is for me to order pizza. I’m not exaggerating. I have to take out the money, call the pizzeria, and it may happen that they have too many orders or the scumbags working there are too busy smoking weed to be arsed so I won’t get my order and there isn’t any other pizzeria around. A woman can go at any given moment on ANY dating app and find dozens of men ready for sex right now and pick through them.

Just how incredibly bluepilled do you have to be to believe that someone who otherwise didn’t had any luck in social settings he went through could find a woman if he pestered couple hundred of random broads?

Another thing, it’s actually dangerous for you to “approach” unless you’re at least HtN, and the uglier you are the worse it gets. Some HtN will most likely not face consequences for “approaching”, even if the women are uninterested they’ll just laugh it off.

Meanwhile, people subconsciously hate your sub5 ass, they want to punish you. You can actually go to jail for this shit and nobody will have sympathy for you. I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.

And now, final nail in the coffin – things I wrote extend to all socializing + people don’t actively go out of their way to find someone, be it a friend or a lover, it happens naturally on its own.

Just yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).

Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.

They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.

Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.

On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.

Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.

You can’t negotiate interest, you can’t draw blood with a turnip, you can’t draw honey from a stone.

The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.

What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.

If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.

I think what happens is that:

a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)

b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me

...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
 
Cold approach is smart only if you are attractive
 
tfw never been wooed back
 
Be quiet GrAY. You sound like a seething GrAY. Sage. Wall of text in the thread. Attention span. Sweres. ADHD. Don't unban GrAYs. GrAYcels2024 #Bunker. Smoking that #GrAYpack tonight. GrAYs for the Lizzo folds. From the river to the sea GrAYs belongs to Taylor Swift fandom. Cope.

Sage. Seething GrAY.
 
Cold approaching for sub 8s is a humiliation ritual.
 
Being bluepilled
 
Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
pretty much this
 
Short answer: low IQ and impulsivity. The former makes predicting the future hard and causes them to live in the moment.

And/or...they don't view women as nasty, vicious, & cruel. I do, and that's why I'm terrified of approaching. Years of bullying from foids and growing up with shallow, borderline psychotic mother and sister made me steer clear of foids, no matter how horny I'm feeling.
 
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
I've seen much the same. My HTN brother (who's autistic and never seeks out conversation) has random people trying to make conversation with him.

I've never had anyone attempt to initiate a conversation with me. Even when I enter a social situation such as a wedding or a group I get ignored.

If I attempt to initiate the conversation myself I get ignored.


general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
And it negatively effects your career too. If you wageslave a manager/hr is less likely to promote/hire you. Especially if they're women. The girls that bully boys for being uglos in highschool, reject the same uglos from climbing up the corporate ladder as adults.

The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
Yep. "Why does that fat guy have so many friends!" Because he has a deep voice.

Ugliness and a bad voice are some of the most irredeemable traits. Especially if mixed together. You're socially screwed.
 
Nobody starts conversations with me because I'm ugly.
 
Another good dosage of depression
 
Another good dosage of depression
I don't mean to make anyone depressed with my posts - sometimes I have a depressive crashout which may be miserable to read but otherwise I don't.

The truth will set you free. You know what's worse than being alone? Being alone among other people.
 
I don't mean to make anyone depressed with my posts - sometimes I have a depressive crashout which may be miserable to read but otherwise I don't.

The truth will set you free. You know what's worse than being alone? Being alone among other people.
I know brocel, it's just that truth is depressing. And no one acknowledges it other than ourselves. If there weren't so many deniers, I'd be happier than I am
 
I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”.
I think there's definitely some element of this. "I walked on the hot coals so you must too!"
I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.
I hold an incredible amount of disdain for orbiters. To do the free labor of defensing some bitches "honor" you aren't sleeping with is a whole other level of pathetic, more than being a standalone sub 5.
 
Great thread. I "cold approached" enough to know that cold approaching is worthless. Foids do not want to interact with sub-5s at all.

Back 20 years ago, we didn't know any better. We didn't have the blackpill, all we had was PUA bullshit encouraging to approach a million times
 
I think people nowadays look back on the past and misinterpret what approaching was. They so desperately want to be like their grandfathers.

"Cold" approaches have always been rare and frowned upon, the approaches made in the 50s-90s were warm approaches. A group of guy friends went to the park with a couple of beers and a group of girls sat some distance away. As the sun set, James had worked up the courage to go and talk to Sally who was smoking by a tree. There was a subtext, the groups had been eyeing eachother all evening and even if they didn't know eachother, there was an invitation.

These guys just appearing out of bushes on college campuses vomiting some spiel and trying to get their number are completely ignoring setting and atmosphere. We live in such a low trust society that someone asking for direction is seen as suspicious and these autistic dorks just pop up trying to to get personal information out of the girl without gauging any interest.

Women are the choosers. They even choose who gets to approach by signalling. Trying a shortcut and approaching without a green light is bound to fail.
 
I got into big trouble by approaching. you can easily get into a fight or get arrested
 
You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
 
Can't say I fully agree with all that you wrote but this was a very good post.
 
Cold approaching in 2025 is actually harmful advice. It always seemed retarded as fuck, but PUAs sold the dream and us fools wanted to believe it.

The only way to go is warm approaching, get a gf thru your friends or your friends friends. That's how everyone gets a girlfriend, if you don't have friends that's unfortunate. If your girl friends don't find you attractive, to bad. That's how you end up here. Doing cold approach tho? Extremely retarded, don't do it unless you're attractive
 
No shit its worthless, can't believe that people still fall for that redpill grift

Woud YOU like some unknown person to bother you when you are minding your own business?
Of course not.
Neither do women.

This only works if you're Chad, and have some sort of magnetic charisma. And newsflash my friend, that sort of charisma you're born with/is formed from very early childhood.
You can't "train" yourself to have that larger-than-life charisma.

"Oh, but you would like to be complimented by randoms, so women must be the same too!"
No you tard, compliments are memorable to men because they almost NEVER receive it, or any sort of validation, in their entire lives.
Women get it just by existing, so its worthless for them unless t comes from someone they're ACTUALLy interested (Chad).
 
They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.
Fuck man you’re gonna kill me with this blackpill.
 
that sort of charisma you're born with/is formed from very early childhood.
You can't "train" yourself to have that larger-than-life charisma.
What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
Socializing is a skill and everyone has ten-twenty-thirty years of experience on you.
You might as well be attempting to outrun olympic sprinters. You are easily outed as a socially awkward autist who was never groomed into a cookie cutter normie. Every stutter and every pause and every misplaced joke registers in their mind until they can confidently decide you are weird as fuck and they should avoid your presence.
 
These guys just appearing out of bushes on college campuses vomiting some spiel and trying to get their number are completely ignoring setting and atmosphere. We live in such a low trust society that someone asking for direction is seen as suspicious and these autistic dorks just pop up trying to to get personal information out of the girl without gauging any interest.
Why would a woman ever have interest in a normal man? the only way to get their information is via intimidation and immediately checking to ensure she isn't bullshitting you. Even then the bitch will ghost you unless she knows that you know where to find her in the future and is intimidated enough to maintain contact out of fear for her life.


I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
For me the latter is closer to true, I've never had much opportunity to interact with people outside of my family so cold approaches and failing at online dating is really the only experience I've had with women.
 
It’s not hard to understand. It’s the possibility of poon
 
Based thread. I only disagree with the part about people not maturing. I now think I'm was a huge idiot when young. It didn't help that I was one of the red pillers as well.

Socializing and dating has to happen naturally. If it isn't happening you're in the wrong environment and everyone hates you there. Forcing it, approaching or jestermaxxing won't help. It will in fact make people there hate you more and can get you arrested and/or beaten.

And cold approaching random foids is even worse: it's not possible to generate interest out of nowhere. I usually compare this situation with random sellers, hobos or anyone approaching me to talk or ask me things: I hate it and can't get away from them fast enough. Sometimes I even think I'll get mugged.
 
If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.

I think what happens is that:

a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)

b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me

...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
For the lack of a better word, it sounds cucked. Can't put it any other way. I think what I am disagreeing on with you is your motivation behind it. I try to stay as detached as possible, too, but if I perceive someone to be higher in the social totem pole, mostly foids, I try my best to let them know of my resentment with indirect assholism and a lack of acknowledgement of their presence. In fact, while interacting with any foids, I usually have an agenda to push, to make feel them feel as awful as possible with whatever little chance I get.
 
I think people nowadays look back on the past and misinterpret what approaching was. They so desperately want to be like their grandfathers.

"Cold" approaches have always been rare and frowned upon, the approaches made in the 50s-90s were warm approaches. A group of guy friends went to the park with a couple of beers and a group of girls sat some distance away. As the sun set, James had worked up the courage to go and talk to Sally who was smoking by a tree. There was a subtext, the groups had been eyeing eachother all evening and even if they didn't know eachother, there was an invitation.

These guys just appearing out of bushes on college campuses vomiting some spiel and trying to get their number are completely ignoring setting and atmosphere. We live in such a low trust society that someone asking for direction is seen as suspicious and these autistic dorks just pop up trying to to get personal information out of the girl without gauging any interest.

Women are the choosers. They even choose who gets to approach by signalling. Trying a shortcut and approaching without a green light is bound to fail.
I think some of you (not being personal) have a habit of seeing the past through the lens of tech and globohomo influenced current modern soyciety. Even two decades ago, the society was vastly different. There wasn't much of a social lynching for men for stepping over the 'boundary' with foids. No, your grandfather didn't make any distinctions between 'warm' or 'cold' approaches. Hardly any foid didn't have a stalker back then. Emotionally manipulating foids into settling with you was very common back then. But I understand you want to pat yourself on the back and feel superior to other men for not cold approaching and uphold the few cases of cold approaching backfiring as the normal consequence. It's not. Guys cold approach because it's low risk.
 
As someone who is 33 years old I can tell you men do mature, it's foids who are perpetual children. I believed a lot of dumb shit when I was 22 years old even so I thought I was smart and knew a lot. Compared to normgroids I did but at a certain point you realize theres a lot of shit you don't know
 
For the lack of a better word, it sounds cucked. Can't put it any other way. I think what I am disagreeing on with you is your motivation behind it.
People try to find flimsiest excuses to fire me/fuck me over wherever I work. I just want peace nigga.
Even two decades ago, the society was vastly different.
Two decades ago I was busy having my first concious memories. "There wasn't x or y" - and? There is now. Unless you have good looks anyone cold approaching today is retarded, and anyone advertising low status or even average men to do so is malicious.
Guys cold approach because it's low risk.
No it's not, nobody in their right mind humiliates themselves like this, I have never seen anyone irl come up to a random uninterested broad. Only people who might be doing this are those who can afford to do so and actually get something from it (good looking people) and desperate retards who got memed into it by PUAs/redpillers.
 
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For me the latter is closer to true, I've never had much opportunity to interact with people outside of my family so cold approaches and failing at online dating is really the only experience I've had with women.

This.

I think O.P. was more socially self-aware than the likes of you and me, at a younger age.

Some of us have a happy and oblivious childhood well into our teens, where we don't worry about the future too much, we see "the good guy" get attention and desire from the pretty girl all the time in film and TV, that will surely happen for me too in due course right?

And then the next thing you know, you leave home to study and find yourself not only ugly, but a complete social outcast as well.

In that context it may take you some time to figure out that it's not just most women who don't even want to look at you, it's literally all of them. And you may make some cringeworthily embarassing mistakes along the way as you figure that out. But when you are young and stupid, your dick will make you do things.
 
For me the latter is closer to true, I've never had much opportunity to interact with people outside of my family so cold approaches and failing at online dating is really the only experience I've had with women.
This.

I think O.P. was more socially self-aware than the likes of you and me, at a younger age.

Some of us have a happy and oblivious childhood well into our teens, where we don't worry about the future too much, we see "the good guy" get attention and desire from the pretty girl all the time in film and TV, that will surely happen for me too in due course right?

And then the next thing you know, you leave home to study and find yourself not only ugly, but a complete social outcast as well.

In that context it may take you some time to figure out that it's not just most women who don't even want to look at you, it's literally all of them. And you may make some cringeworthily embarassing mistakes along the way as you figure that out. But when you are young and stupid, your dick will make you do things.
Tbh, I can understand if someone was either more sheltered or isolated or even had more favourable enviroment during adolescence (I feel so envious of you niggas holy shit) so they had to find out the hard way - I was bullied from elementary all the way to high school + had teachers, family and strangers trating me like shit as well, by the time I was 16 I was acutely aware that people are out to get me. What I'll never understand are people saying you're a fakecel/haven't tried hard enough if you didn't do at least x amount of cold approaching.
 
I think some of you (not being personal) have a habit of seeing the past through the lens of tech and globohomo influenced current modern soyciety. Even two decades ago, the society was vastly different. There wasn't much of a social lynching for men for stepping over the 'boundary' with foids. No, your grandfather didn't make any distinctions between 'warm' or 'cold' approaches. Hardly any foid didn't have a stalker back then. Emotionally manipulating foids into settling with you was very common back then. But I understand you want to pat yourself on the back and feel superior to other men for not cold approaching and uphold the few cases of cold approaching backfiring as the normal consequence. It's not. Guys cold approach because it's low risk.
My point is that the world was "warmer". People moved around in smaller circles and areas and people knew about eachother to a greater degree. Communities were close knit. It has never been the norm to go up to strangers in broad daylight. It wasn't really needed.

Are you seriously advocating for cold approaching in 2025? I don't feel better than the men who do it, it's just a futile endeavour, especially if you're a 5 and below. I don't do it myself because it's a dumb and fruitless thing to do if you're not at least a HTN. With all the videos of people doing it and all the PUAs, the women know that it is coming from a place of planning and calculation. It's not a spontaneous gesture. That is in itself unattractive.

If we were living in the 50's and I saw my dream girl I might have asked her for a light and tried to woo her, but women's guards are up because it screams "performative".
 
Tbh, I can understand if someone was either more sheltered or isolated or even had more favourable enviroment during adolescence (I feel so envious of you niggas holy shit) so they had to find out the hard way - I was bullied from elementary all the way to high school + had teachers, family and strangers trating me like shit as well, by the time I was 16 I was acutely aware that people are out to get me. What I'll never understand are people saying you're a fakecel/haven't tried hard enough if you didn't do at least x amount of cold approaching.

We see a lot of rhetoric on here of the form " I'm 17, I still live with my parents, I don't have a job or any kind of financial independence, I've never even really talked to women, but somehow I *know* it's ovER for me!"

And I think that frustrates those of us who did try, hard, to play the dating market game as well as we were able. Cold approach is a ridiculous extreme of that but there are many ways of putting yourself out there, trying to win and in the process putting yourself in a position to get treated brutally.

It's true that you learn to see how women look at you. But I believe that if you've never made any significant attempt to participate in the dating market then all you really have is a quite academic kind of theory that it's over for you, with limited experimental data to confirm that.

Maybe that's a crab bucket mentality as you say, but I really don't think one man's laziness and cowardice is the same thing as another man's effort and courage. There's a difference.
 
over if you have to approach tbh
 
We see a lot of rhetoric on here of the form " I'm 17, I still live with my parents, I don't have a job or any kind of financial independence, I've never even really talked to women, but somehow I *know* it's ovER for me!"
But I believe that if you've never made any significant attempt to participate in the dating market then all you really have is a quite academic kind of theory that it's over for you, with limited experimental data to confirm that.
Nah, bullshit, I don't buy it that you can spend your entire adolescence without a single successful social interaction and then somehow turn things around once you're older, unless your parents kept you in the basement or something.

Almost every single acquittance I have lives with their parents, the housing market is whack, people from my generation only ever move out when they already have a GF to split the rent with or if they get forcefully kicked out. It's irrelevant.

Every single person that I know who has any sort of romantic life already had at least a single short fling through their education. I don't know anyone who didn't had any romantic experience by the end of high school but then found someone once they got a job. It's irrelevant.

The only time these two things are relevant is if you're from richfag family so you can have your own car/apartment/money at 18 and statusmog your peers while they're still making baby steps.

Every straight man naturally wants to talk to women, I don't believe aside from few extreme mental cases that there is anyone who hasn't ever tried. If he hasn't tried "really" talking to women then that means that he got burned so bad at tiniest interaction attempts that he knew it's over or that he's isolated from his peer group which also means it's over (people don't socially exclude attractive people).

What alone is relevant is if/how social interactions are happening to you and/or how they go when you try going out of your way to make them happen.

If someone is claiming they're incel by the time they haven't even finished high school yet, it most likely means that their social life there is already whacked, kaput. You can't turn that around.

You see, when I deleted my old account on here when I was 20 I started huffing hopium/copium, clinging to every single acquaintanceship I had, trying to force as many social interactions as I could, going out drinking every week, trying to "get in" the broader social circles, trying my hand at various jobs to "fit in" within the society, doing all soft looksmaxxing I could etc.

This went on for about three years - during that time my mental health went down the shitter as I was getting more and more desperate and I lost what little sanity and dignity I had only to get tonne of cringe memories and local lolcow status.
In retrospect the outcome was painfully obvious, I did nothing but waste my time and I'm mentally far, far worse for it compared to if I just accepted that it's over earlier.
This is why I see this shit as crab bucket.

I wish, I fucking wish that I could teleport myself from now terminator style to myself from back then, or even better, to myself when I was 16, forcefully grab that nigga by the shoulders and go:

"You goddamn retard, up to this point there wasn't a single time in your entire life when a woman would look at you with anything but disgust/pity/indifference in her eyes, you were despised by people around you in every single environment you've been in so far and you will be surrounded by the same types of people in your jobs and on the street, society is women, socializing is all about women, your every friend will ditch you or start treating you like shit once they get women, nobody wants to do anything with you if you're not presentable to women, stop wasting your time and health drinking, stop stressing youself out, stop destroying your mental health and dignity by exposing yourself to environment that hates you, cut all your old contacts, focus on your health and building comfortable future for a lonely pariah that deep down you knew you are since middle school"
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There's a ton of life wisdom and black pills here.
 
this should be on must read tbh
 
I've done it. Part of mentalceldom is not being able to read female cues. So if you suspect that is your problem you should just randomly try a few times atleast. If you get active rejection messaging that you understand then you should not try. Simple.
 
And big old LOL at all of the "TL/DR" spamtrannies in here. This is a good post.

I can remember when low-effort replies to ID threads used to earn warnings.
 
I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
This paragraph perfectly encapsulates what I always want to say to those types, except I didn't have the right words for that:feelshaha:.

Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:

What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.

“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?

How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?
:yes::yes::yes:

Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.

On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.

Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
This part awakened painful memories in me, holy shit:fuk:.
 

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