
anotherwastedlife
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Another thread for me to bookmark, great effort
1. ive heard the concept of teenager was invented as a psyop in the 50s and popularized through movies like "the wild one" with marlon brandoIn general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
holy fuck I am not aloneJust yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).
When I walk around with female social workers, people treat me so much better lmfao. Her halo is so insane that we get entrance to hidden locations like video game level kek. Like they let us into offices with all women staff and shit and actually listen to us.Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.
On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.
Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
tldr.
Based thread. I only disagree with the part about people not maturing. I now think I'm was a huge idiot when young. It didn't help that I was one of the red pillers as well.
Socializing and dating has to happen naturally. If it isn't happening you're in the wrong environment and everyone hates you there. Forcing it, approaching or jestermaxxing won't help. It will in fact make people there hate you more and can get you arrested and/or beaten.
And cold approaching random foids is even worse: it's not possible to generate interest out of nowhere. I usually compare this situation with random sellers, hobos or anyone approaching me to talk or ask me things: I hate it and can't get away from them fast enough. Sometimes I even think I'll get mugged
Other than that pretty great postAs someone who is 33 years old I can tell you men do mature, it's foids who are perpetual children. I believed a lot of dumb shit when I was 22 years old even so I thought I was smart and knew a lot. Compared to normgroids I did but at a certain point you realize theres a lot of shit you don't know
it can be spun in such a manner that it appeals and "makes sense" to autists but make no mistake, it is by far, BY FAR the dumbest, most retarded way to try to ascend. not only is it unnatural as fuck, basically triggering fight or flight in the bitch, it's also very direct and schizo therefore all you're doing is presenting yourself as a complete retard in front of your entire communityGreat thread
Cold approach is the last cope to fall because the logic is pretty sound: the percentage of women interested in me must be above 0% due to human variation, so if I approach enough times I will eventually find a partner. Its just a game of probability. But unfortunately the probability might actually be an absolute 0% for sub-5s which I find hard to believe because in all other aspects humans have such a wide gradient of variation.
yeah. to a random dumbass internet user 20 years ago, finding obscure "secret seduction techniques" from "dating gurus" might've felt like finding goldGreat thread. I "cold approached" enough to know that cold approaching is worthless. Foids do not want to interact with sub-5s at all.
Back 20 years ago, we didn't know any better. We didn't have the blackpill, all we had was PUA bullshit encouraging to approach a million times
hell, even normies if they fall for the cold approach meme will just get laughed at and conclude they're subhuman so anyone spouting this bullshit is ostensibly a fakecel who could ascend if he didn't try the single worst method of ascensionWhat I'll never understand are people saying you're a fakecel/haven't tried hard enough if you didn't do at least x amount of cold approaching.
yeah, and the more retarded puacels arise the worse they will be treated. even if in the past you could potentially be classified as "brave", "daring", "gets what he wants", these days the prevailing view will just be of an autistic loser trying to emulate a youtube video because he can't get laidThese guys just appearing out of bushes on college campuses vomiting some spiel and trying to get their number are completely ignoring setting and atmosphere. We live in such a low trust society that someone asking for direction is seen as suspicious and these autistic dorks just pop up trying to to get personal information out of the girl without gauging any interest.
Women are the choosers. They even choose who gets to approach by signalling. Trying a shortcut and approaching without a green light is bound to fail.
exactlyWith all the videos of people doing it and all the PUAs, the women know that it is coming from a place of planning and calculation. It's not a spontaneous gesture. That is in itself unattractive.
True, you never want to be known as the guy, or more accurately in the case of the sub-5 the "creep" or "pervert", who's horny for every woman he sees (though, tbf this only happens if they're stupid and cold-approach in the same place over and over again).it's also very direct and schizo therefore all you're doing is presenting yourself as a complete retard in front of your entire community
In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave
Sounds a little incredible tbh. Is that even measurable?I want to introduce a concept to illustrate the arrested development you describe. I came across this first in this autistic niggas book, he calls it bubbles. Basically for autistic or other "neurodivergent" people, their mental bubble keeps expanding as they age, incoporating more and more data. But the average persons bubble has a fixed size and its basically moving. Its like the difference between a harddrive that keeps growing and growing and a hard-drive with fixed data limit. The fixed drive can only contain 1TB of data at a time, so in order to store new data it has to delete old data.
This is his explanation why people stop marturing early on, their mental bubble is fixed and static.
probably not quantifable no lmao, but I like the illustration. Another angle you could image it from is that people with problems or mental issues need to constantly compensate for new situations. Autistic people often describe being confused and becoming accustomed to adjusting to new situations manually. So they may develop openeness to new experiences to cope with the world.Sounds a little incredible tbh. Is that even measurable?
Interesting. I adjust to big chances poorly too, yet that didn't paradoxically make me seek out the struggle. What might the rationale behind that be?Another angle you could image it from is that people with problems or mental issues need to constantly compensate for new situations. Autistic people often describe being confused and becoming accustomed to adjusting to new situations manually. So they may develop openeness to new experiences to cope with the world.
Interesting. I adjust to big chances poorly too, yet that didn't paradoxically make me seek out the struggle. What might the rationale behind that be?
Sounds plausible enough.oh i doesnt necessarily make you seek out struggle, just used to adjust to new situation better than normal people. In one of tony attwoods books he talks about how autistic people are used to constantly adjust to situations as if its their first time, because autistic people have this thing where one tiny change makes everything seem completely different. This he claims gives them an advantage over normal people in emergency situations. Autistic people are basically in a constant emergency situation.
Another entrance point could be mental trauma causing perpetual distrust of other people and reality, leading to a quasi-philosophical mindset where everything is questioned and the individual goes on a potentially lifelong quest of trying to find certainty and security. It is worth mentioning that multiple great philosophers in history were war veterans, both among the ancient greeks (socrates, peloponnesian war) and in the modern period (Descartes, 30 years war). Hans Aspergers noted in his original case descriptions of autistic children that some had developed a philosophical approach to life.
People that suffer or have chronic mental or physical pain are also more open to new ideas or suggestions related to fixing their issues. They may try crazy diet or therapies.
So to get back to your question, its not about seeking out pain on purpose, but rather that having a diversity of experiences that differ from the norm makes you more susceptible to adopting a diversity of beliefs that are not normative.
I can't quite relate to this passage. I'm not ensorcelled by gnosis like you and @based_meme nor do I feel like a problem is at the epicenter of my being.Self-awareness of this may lead one to question what is wrong with themselves, thus triggering the aforementioned everlasting quest for knowledge which grows the metaphorical gnostic bubble. Unsolvable problems are like an unquenchable fire that keeps torturing the affected. Peoples biggest problems become the epicenter of their entire being. Case in point, you and me are here, obsessing over women and relationships for years on end.
Brutal social pillOriginally I wanted to reply to this @Stupid Clown thread:
But I decided to turn this into a thread on its own.![]()
PUA revival
We're entering the new age of PUA. So many young men have been rejected and ignored on dating apps. All these young men are watching YouTube videos with thousands of likes that tell them they have an advantage by approaching IRL instead. There's comments with thousands of likes saying the...incels.is
Redpill/PUA grifters are memeing men into “approaching” women as they always did, but I also noticed that some people on this forum shame other members for not “cold approaching” women for a thousand times, saying that they haven’t tried hard enough if they didn’t do it.
I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
People aren’t individuals. All people fall into archetypes, including you. The people you met through various stages of education, the ones who didn’t want anything to do with you, bullied/mocked/talked shit behind your back – in general these are the same people, or rather the same archetypes of people that you meet at work, public transport, galleries and restaurants. The only thing that changed is setting and its decorum.
School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this. Something like a work place has different set of social rules (unless you work in a mine with alcoholics lmao), once you’ve finished your education it’s expected of you that you’ll larp as this “mature” person, it’s no longer beneficial for people to openly show their disdain to you so they don’t unless they can “moralize” it somehow – “oh, I saw him checking his phone, he’s so lazy!/he was creeping on office lady I swear!” etc.
In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
But back to the main topic – these are the very same women who were disgusted by you in school.
Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:
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Men don't Initiate Sex - An age old Fable quickly dismantled with Quotes (short thread)
"Most of the damage women do is indirect. If she only bats her eyes to induce a guy into a fight, nobody's going to blame her. Women do a lot of things that provoke and trigger responses in men. But nobody seems able to see that." - Herb Goldberg, Ph D., author of The Hazards of Being Male, in...incels.is
What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.
“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?
How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?
“Maybe she wants to find a man but didn’t look and so you coming up to her is easy chance for her” is the only possible explanation anyone could come up with, but holy shit is it retarded when confronted with reality. Women choose who they hang around with, where they go and what social settings they frequent when they’re looking for someone. Women have no problem getting into any given social setting, people are eager to have them around. They don’t need random niggas coming up to them while they’re minding their own business, they get their fix.
It’s easier for a woman to get sex than it is for me to order pizza. I’m not exaggerating. I have to take out the money, call the pizzeria, and it may happen that they have too many orders or the scumbags working there are too busy smoking weed to be arsed so I won’t get my order and there isn’t any other pizzeria around. A woman can go at any given moment on ANY dating app and find dozens of men ready for sex right now and pick through them.
Just how incredibly bluepilled do you have to be to believe that someone who otherwise didn’t had any luck in social settings he went through could find a woman if he pestered couple hundred of random broads?
Another thing, it’s actually dangerous for you to “approach” unless you’re at least HtN, and the uglier you are the worse it gets. Some HtN will most likely not face consequences for “approaching”, even if the women are uninterested they’ll just laugh it off.
Meanwhile, people subconsciously hate your sub5 ass, they want to punish you. You can actually go to jail for this shit and nobody will have sympathy for you. I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.
And now, final nail in the coffin – things I wrote extend to all socializing + people don’t actively go out of their way to find someone, be it a friend or a lover, it happens naturally on its own.
Just yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.
Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.
On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.
Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
You can’t negotiate interest, you can’t draw blood with a turnip, you can’t draw honey from a stone.
The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.
I think what happens is that:
a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)
b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me
...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
If the “unknown person” is of the opposite sex of course we would like it. Problem is women dislike most men sexually like men dislike faggotsWoud YOU like some unknown person
It’s interesting since before the flood humans lived for centuries and were said to reach adulthood at 100 with several puberties from 0 to 100. So it only makes sense that any human below 100 would be considered a kid. Also if i watch how people behaviour i hardly see any adults. It’s clear how modern humans are badly aged teens at any ageExample would be that biblical story where it literally says, a bunch of boys are roasting this old prophet for being bald and god sends a she-bear to eat them. Yes it literally says "boys" but within period specific context, there was no word for "men."
This is interesting but sorry i can’t read a page more of that faggot/ liberal septum cunt. A few pages in and i can tell this piece of shit is a smug liberal worthless whore. I just feel the need to punch her in the face with all my strenght.2. I want to introduce a concept to illustrate the arrested development you describe. I came across this first in this autistic niggas book, he calls it bubbles. Basically for autistic or other "neurodivergent" people, their mental bubble keeps expanding as they age, incoporating more and more data. But the average persons bubble has a fixed size and its basically moving. Its like the difference between a harddrive that keeps growing and growing and a hard-drive with fixed data limit. The fixed drive can only contain 1TB of data at a time, so in order to store new data it has to delete old data.
This is his explanation why people stop marturing early on, their mental bubble is fixed and static
This.School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this.
You nailed it.Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
Fuck this world....whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.