How am I meant to cope with my moonface?

[Deleted member 2119]

Lol gymcelling is a scam boyo. I just didn't realise diet was ALSO a scam. You just become a smaller version of the same fat fuck you were before.

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No money. Poorcel, remember.

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This is called being skinnyfat and it can actually be fixed

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That's why I told you to workout, not eat too little and eat a lot of protein, but you didn't listen in time. You started gymcelling way too late and as a result, probably 30-40% of all your weight loss was muscle and the rest water and fat. When you lose muscle, your fat percentage goes up and your metabolism goes down.

Incels, take note: This is what happens when you do not lift weights, eat too little and don't eat enough protein. If you do that, YOU WILL LOSE MUSCLE MASS.

I've dieted and lost a lot of muscle mass and I've dieted with very little loss of muscle mass. Hell, I've even built muscle in a calorie deficit before. It's all about your approach. It has very little to do with "incel genetics." Diet like a retard = get retarded results. You learned the hard way; shitty diet and without working out will only give you a skinny fat physique.

This tbh. You know your shit and give advice but all you get back is "Weightloss is cope it doesn't work I cry everytime"

 

[itsOVER]

This is called being skinnyfat and it can actually be fixed

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This tbh. You know your shit and give advice but all you get back is  "Weightloss is cope it doesn't work I cry everytime"

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I can't cut enough to get a lean face without killing myself now because I'd have to go into death tier levels to do it. Too low of a weight already to cut much more. So no it can't really be fixed. I'm fucked.

GENETICS

 

[CopingGymcel]

I can't cut enough to get a lean face without killing myself now because I'd have to go into death tier levels to do it. Too low of a weight already to cut much more. So no it can't really be fixed. I'm fucked.

GENETICS

I know you hate my answer, but your only way to achieve 10% body fat is to do some gymcelling and build some muscle to support such a lean state.

Btw, almost nobody that doesn't work is 10% body fat. It's quite rare to be that lean.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

I can't cut enough to get a lean face without killing myself now because I'd have to go into death tier levels to do it. Too low of a weight already to cut much more. So no it can't really be fixed. I'm fucked.

GENETICS

This is why you shouldn't consume too little amounts of calories and should lift while meeting your protein requirements. You'll feel weak without getting enough calories (It's that simple)

Track the food that you are eating and see if it works

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I know you hate my answer, but your only way to achieve 10% body fat is to do some gymcelling and build some muscle to support such a lean state.

Btw, almost nobody that doesn't work is 10% body fat. It's quite rare to be that lean.

I agree. I am at 15% without lifting and my metabolism is crazy.

 

[itsOVER]

I know you hate my answer, but your only way to achieve 10% body fat is to do some gymcelling and build some muscle to support such a lean state.

Btw, almost nobody that doesn't work is 10% body fat. It's quite rare to be that lean.

Already burned up all my muscle already and it takes literally years to grow back. It's over.

Worst thing is all those months were for nothing. A total waste of time. I should have just eaten whatever I wanted.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Already burned up all my muscle already and it takes literally years to grow back. It's over.

Worst thing is all those months were for nothing. A total waste of time. I should have just eaten whatever I wanted.

It takes much less time to build muscle that you've already had, it's called "muscle memory." You can get your lost muscle back in just a few months probably, if your diet and training is on point. After I lost a lot of muscle, I got it back very fast.

 

[itsOVER]

This is why you shouldn't consume too little amounts of calories and should lift while meeting your protein requirements. You'll feel weak without getting enough calories (It's that simple)

Track the food that you are eating and see if it works

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I agree. I am at 15% without lifting and my metabolism is crazy.

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This is a case of locking the door after the horse has bolted. My body is ALREADY too shit to support getting much leaner, that's the problem. My incel genetics mean I can't get to levels of body fat that actually help faces out.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

Already burned up all my muscle already and it takes literally years to grow back. It's over.

Worst thing is all those months were for nothing. A total waste of time. I should have just eaten whatever I wanted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory_(strength_training)

You'll be able to get most of it back

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This is a case of locking the door after the horse has bolted. My body is ALREADY too shit to support getting much leaner, that's the problem. My incel genetics mean I can't get to levels of body fat that actually help faces out.

You can't know that until you haven't done it with a proper diet

 

[itsOVER]

It takes much less time to build muscle that you've already had, it's called "muscle memory." You can get your lost muscle back in just a few months probably, if your diet and training is on point. After I lost a lot of muscle, I got it back very fast.

How is that supposed to work? If I buy a hamburger, then eat the hamburger, I can't replace that hamburger quicker next time because I'm used to having one. Once your muscle is destroyed, it's gone and need a to be recreated from scratch.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

How is that supposed to work? If I buy a hamburger, then eat the hamburger, I can't replace that hamburger quicker next time because I'm used to having one. Once your muscle is destroyed, it's gone and need a to be recreated from scratch.

Read the wikipedia article

 

[itsOVER]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory_(strength_training)

You'll be able to get most of it back

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You can't know that until you haven't done it with a proper diet

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The goals are now contradictory though. I've too much far. I've too little muscle.

If I bulk to gain muscle I'll gain even more fat than now.

If I cut to lose fat I'll lose more muscle and also cannot safely cut too much at this point (maybe only down to around 17%).

 

[CopingGymcel]

How is that supposed to work? If I buy a hamburger, then eat the hamburger, I can't replace that hamburger quicker next time because I'm used to having one. Once your muscle is destroyed, it's gone and need a to be recreated from scratch.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2huvkWzPRps[/video]

 

[OTaKu_WarrIOr_N]

You aren't

 

[itsOVER]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2huvkWzPRps[/video]

Well anyway the two goals are divergent. I need to both lose fat and gain muscle and that's not really possible to do for long. I'm fucked.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

The goals are now contradictory though. I've too much far. I've too little muscle.

If I bulk to gain muscle I'll gain even more fat than now.

If I cut to lose fat I'll lose more muscle and also cannot safely cut too much at this point (maybe only down to around 17%).

You can minimize the fat gain by having a clean diet, you will have some newbie gains again and you will still gain muscle even if you are just consuming your daily calorie needs

 

[itsOVER]

You can minimize the fat gain by having a clean diet, you will have some newbie gains again and you will still gain muscle even if you are just consuming your daily calorie needs

I dunno if I can get motivated again. All that work dieting before was for nothing. And I've still got a whole long way to go apparently. I'm arguably worse off than I was at 71kg even when I wasn't exercising at all.

Incels never win.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

I dunno if I can get motivated again. All that work dieting before was for nothing. And I've still got a whole long way to go apparently. I'm arguably worse off than I was at 71kg even when I wasn't exercising at all.

Incels never win.

Well you can't blame your genes if you haven't done it properly.Even I can't blame everything at my metabolism because I am not lifting  ( I consume almost 3k calories a day from plants and I can't gain weight while doing nothing)

Start slowly,Eat clean and track it,Sleep well and try to read as much as you can about the topic

 

[itsOVER]

Well you can't blame your genes if you haven't done it properly.Even I can't blame everything at my metabolism because I am not lifting  ( I consume almost 3k calories a day from plants and I can't gain weight while doing nothing)

Start slowly,Eat clean and track it,Sleep well and try to read as much as you can about the topic

When Chad loses weight he never ends up like this. Come on bro it's largely genetics.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

When Chad loses weight he never ends up like this. Come on bro it's largely genetics.

Becoming skinnyfat is mainly an issue of the fat / muscle ratio that you have. Yes Chads are naturally leaner but that does not mean it is impossible for you to become lean

 

[CopingGymcel]

When Chad loses weight he never ends up like this. Come on bro it's largely genetics.

1. Chad is not overweight, so he doesn't have a lot of weight to lose. Most Chads who don't gymcel probably just instinctively eat at their TDEE, remaining lean all year round.

2. If Chad loses weight, he does it properly. He doesn't eat 1000 calories Pringles every day and expects results, he eats a lot of meat (Chad loves eating meat).

3. Chad has played a lot of sports all his life. He is active and exercising regularly, not just a few months a year to lose weight, that's how he is able to hold on to more muscle mass and being leaner than the average guy. Of course he has good genetics, too, multiplying its effects.

You did it wrong and now you're blaming your genetics. Just own up to your mistakes. I fucked up with dieting just like you did. I became overly skinny with no muscle and not skinny fat, but I still looked like utter shit. I realized I had made a mistake and fixed in the gym.

When I am dieting right now, I am losing no muscle and losing fat at a decent pace (it has slowed down as I've gotten leaner). I am doing it the right way, lifting weights, eating high protein, not eating too little food, refeed once a week,etc.

 

[fred_herbert]

I saw your picture. Let me tell you this, you are delusional. Your face is not fat: your jawline is defined, so is your under eye area, buccal fat is moderate, malar fat is minimal. Fat loss doesn't do miracles. Your facial features are visible enough at this point for me to tell you that you will not improve much with further fat loss. Yes you could gain half a point extra or so, but your issues are structural. Your jaw shape, mouth shape and size, cheekbones, midface length all contribute to that potato faced look. You are already 55 kg. Unless you are 5'1 there is no way you are 20%+ bf. The bottom line is that your problem has nothing to do with fat loss genetics or any other cope, its your facial structure.

 

[NorwodingGymcel]

I am a little late to this discussion, but I definitely agree with my other gymcell brethren about his previous suggestions. Related to having a potatoe face and possible surgical interventions, it's actually possible that you have good bone structure underneath and that certain fat (submental and buccal) won't respond to dieting like it will for Chad, because once again genetics of course.

I present to you this:

https://www.realself.com/review/dominican-republic-buccal-fat-removal-jawline-liposuction?offset=49&sle=0#media-review-2782337-image-1781590

There are unremarkable results too, but presumably this guy tried dieting down before paying over 3000 dollars and presumably his doctor properly evaluated that doing these surgeries would have a good overall cosmetic result. I don't know how buddy boyo above me presumes to be able to evaluate your bone structure. A few consultations from reputable cosmetic surgeons would probably be a better bet.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

1. Chad is not overweight, so he doesn't have a lot of weight to lose. Most Chads who don't gymcel probably just instinctively eat at their TDEE, remaining lean all year round.

2. If Chad loses weight, he does it properly. He doesn't eat 1000 calories Pringles every day and expects results, he eats a lot of meat (Chad loves eating meat).

You did it wrong and now you're blaming your genetics. Just own up to your mistakes. I fucked up with dieting just like you did. I became overly skinny with no muscle and not skinny fat, but I still looked like utter shit. I realized I had made a mistake and fixed in the gym.

When I am dieting right now, I am losing no muscle and losing fat at a decent pace (it has slowed down as I've gotten leaner).

Yup all of this is true. I don't know how good OP is at maintaining his calories or what he prefers to eat but he shouldn't try to eat like Chad (Don't think you suggested it to him but he shouldn't get the wrong impression)

 

[itsOVER]

I saw your picture. Let me tell you this, you are delusional. Your face is not fat: your jawline is defined, so is your under eye area, buccal fat is moderate, malar fat is minimal. Fat loss doesn't do miracles. Your facial features are visible enough at this point for me to tell you that you will not improve much with further fat loss. Yes you could gain half a point extra or so, but your issues are structural. Your jaw shape, mouth shape and size, cheekbones, midface length all contribute to that potato faced look. You are already 55 kg. Unless you are 5'1 there is no way you are 20%+ bf. The bottom line is that your problem has nothing to do with fat loss genetics or any other cope, its your facial structure.

I think I'll go with what the air displacement pod said over what a random guy on the internet thinks. 23.1% it's fucking over.

Yeah course my bones are shit but we already knew that. It's just this is YET ANOTHER THING TO ADD TO THE LIST.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

I am a little late to this discussions, but I definitely agree with my other gymcell brethren about his previous suggestions. Related to having a potatoe face and possible surgical interventions, it's actually possible that you have good bone structure underneath and that certain fat (submental and buccal) won't respond to dieting like it will for Chad, because once again genetics of course.

I present to you this:

https://www.realself.com/review/dominican-republic-buccal-fat-removal-jawline-liposuction?offset=49&sle=0#media-review-2782337-image-1781590

There are unremarkable results too, but presumably this guy tried dieting down before paying over 3000 dollars and presumably his doctor properly evaluated that doing these surgeries would have a good overall cosmetic result. I don't know how buddy boyo above me presumes to be able to evaluate your bone structure. A few consultations from reputable cosmetic surgeons would probably be a better bet.

It looks good and promising and it is always an option if his genes are truly utter shit but he can't know that without having proper weightloss

 

[itsOVER]

I am a little late to this discussion, but I definitely agree with my other gymcell brethren about his previous suggestions. Related to having a potatoe face and possible surgical interventions, it's actually possible that you have good bone structure underneath and that certain fat (submental and buccal) won't respond to dieting like it will for Chad, because once again genetics of course.

I present to you this:

https://www.realself.com/review/dominican-republic-buccal-fat-removal-jawline-liposuction?offset=49&sle=0#media-review-2782337-image-1781590

There are unremarkable results too, but presumably this guy tried dieting down before paying over 3000 dollars and presumably his doctor properly evaluated that doing these surgeries would have a good overall cosmetic result. I don't know how buddy boyo above me presumes to be able to evaluate your bone structure. A few consultations from reputable cosmetic surgeons would probably be a better bet.

I'm wary since I heard buccal fat removal surgery fucks you up big time when older...and I'm 26 already so pretty much an oldcel.

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1. Chad is not overweight, so he doesn't have a lot of weight to lose. Most Chads who don't gymcel probably just instinctively eat at their TDEE, remaining lean all year round.

2. If Chad loses weight, he does it properly. He doesn't eat 1000 calories Pringles every day and expects results, he eats a lot of meat (Chad loves eating meat).

3. Chad has played a lot of sports all his life. He is active and exercising regularly, not just a few months a year to lose weight, that's how he is able to hold on to more muscle mass and being leaner than the average guy. Of course he has good genetics, too, multiplying its effects.

You did it wrong and now you're blaming your genetics. Just own up to your mistakes. I fucked up with dieting just like you did. I became overly skinny with no muscle and not skinny fat, but I still looked like utter shit. I realized I had made a mistake and fixed in the gym.

When I am dieting right now, I am losing no muscle and losing fat at a decent pace (it has slowed down as I've gotten leaner). I am doing it the right way, lifting weights, eating high protein, not eating too little food, refeed once a week,etc.

I mean I've never seen a case as bad as mine. 23,% bf at 55kg, JFL. That IS a lot of bad genetics since no one else gets problems that extreme.

I am also lifting weights, getting 1g protein per pound of bodyweight etc. It clearly isn't helping much.

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Yup all of this is true. I don't know how good OP is at maintaining his calories or what he prefers to eat but he shouldn't try to eat like Chad (Don't think you suggested it to him but he shouldn't get the wrong impression)

According to the pod my TDEE is 2200 calories if I go to the gym 3x a week which I gave been doing the last 2 weeks. But the problem is contradictory goals. I need to lose 6kg body fat (at least) but I also need to gain my muscle back.

 

[NorwodingGymcel]

I'm wary since I heard buccal fat removal surgery fucks you up big time when older...and I'm 26 already so pretty much an oldcel.

It is possible, but again, after going to several consultations you should be able to formulate whether it's a good option for you. They can control (to some extent) the amount that is removed. For the reason you mentioned, most doctors will do a buccal fat reduction and not complete removal.

Also, I find your sentiment a little contradictory, since when we talked about hair transplants, you said you didn't care what you looked like after 40. So now all of a sudden you care about possibly looking a little more gaunt in your 60's or 70's after having buccal fat removal? JFL.

 

[itsOVER]

It is possible, but again, after going to several consultations you should be able to formulate whether it's a good option for you. They can control (to some extent) the amount that is removed. For the reason you mentioned, most doctors will do a buccal fat reduction and not complete removal.

Also, I find your sentiment a little contradictory, since when we talked about hair transplants, you said you didn't care what you looked like after 40. So now all of a sudden you care about possibly looking a little more gaunt in your 60's or 70's after having buccal fat removal? JFL.

I don't care about 60 or 70 but I do care in my 30s...as they're not too far away.

 

[NorwodingGymcel]

I don't care about 60 or 70 but I do care in my 30s...as they're not too far away.

For buccal fat, that isn't the "old age" it MAY start to look bad. I am pretty sure it isn't until much later, at least 50.

Again bro, you can keep coping, but I still think you don't need the transplant (even though yours is so cheap). You need to figure out from doctors whether your shit potatoe face is because of fat and/or bone structure or both and not trust incels to tell you that. But before you do any of that, at least put in some proper fucking work for months by gymcelling and dietcelling without being some normie who quits after a week and rots.

 

[itsOVER]

For buccal fat, that isn't the "old age" it MAY start to look bad. I am pretty sure it isn't until much later, at least 50.

Again bro, you can keep coping, but I still think you don't need the transplant (even though yours is so cheap). You need to figure out from doctors whether your shit potatoe face is because of fat and/or bone structure or both and not trust incels to tell you that. But before you do any of that, at least put in some proper fucking work for months by gymcelling and dietcelling without being some normie who quits after a week and rots.

Gym won't fix a bad hairline. I'm getting the transplant no doubt about it.

I didn't quit after a week this is why this is so demoralizing. At 71kg I said I wanted to be 61kg. I got all the way to 55kg and it took a fair amount of time being hungry, but I kept at it. Now I find out that was all for nothing. Who wouldn't be pissed off and demotivated now?

 

[fred_herbert]

As I said there's not much point to losing more fat for you. If however u want to have auswich tier face, you could get to 50 kg. Facial fat loss is not linear, that is to say 1% reduction in total body fat will not always result in 1% reduction in facial fat. The leaner you are the faster facial fat loss will be. You can find proof of this yourself if you look, a 30% bf person's face will barely change if he goes to 25%. A person who is already 10% will have a drastically different face at 5%. So if your goal is an extremely lean face (which is stupid) you are very close to reaching it and stoping now is a mistake.

 

[NorwodingGymcel]

Which is why I am telling you that you may have fat that isn't responsive to any of that torture you are putting yourself through, which is why you should see some more surgeons if after MONTHS of PROPER dieting you still don't notice results. Otherwise, just keep believing going to gym doesn't do shit, keep your signature as is, and just keep rotting if you prefer.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

Lol having zero defined features sure does (and that often comes with rounded faces).

Having zero defined features makes you average.... that's not bad at all. I'd kill to be average.. as a 2/10 you don't know my pain.

 

[itsOVER]

Having zero defined features makes you average.... that's not bad at all. I'd kill to be average.. as a 2/10 you don't know my pain.

The end result is identical - no females.

 

[NorwodingGymcel]

It's over.

 

[theultimate341]

It's over.

 

[DatingStrike]

Having zero defined features makes you average.... that's not bad at all. I'd kill to be average.. as a 2/10 you don't know my pain.

The end result is identical - no females.

 

[demonanus]

Sorry man but @CopingGymcel is right. I can only agree with him. Now, lets assume you actually cut properly and are lean but your face is still bloated. Reasons for that can be: high estrogenv, water retention or potassium/sodium imbalance. You fucked your cut up and lost muscle instead of fat.

 

[MrTran]

Pray to the great prophet St. Eggy.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0[/video]

 

[MrTran]

Pray to the great prophet St. Eggy.
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0[/video]

 

[heroinfather]

hurr durr "SKINNY FAT ISN'T REAL" durr high BF when im slim hurr skinny fat is a myth durr