Serious Do you still have hope, keep improving yourself or gave up long ago?

[fightercel]

Title. If you gave up, have you been able to truly accept your situation? Please, tell me about what you think about yourself

As for me, I've been able to somewhat beat severe depression after 5 years and now use copes with relatively low hate towards my situation and the whole world. It's not like I expect anything to get better but at least I was able to accept this. I guess, they call it whitepill

 

[lowz1r]

I've given up on getting foids but I haven't necessarily given up on life

 

[Grodd]

I've given up and accepted it's over it's possible that changes and i try again at some point in the future tho it's unlikely.

 

[zd60]

I have completely given up or maybe I never tried in the first place on everything I don't bother doing anything in my life, its all nonsensical futile shit at the end of the day we all die and it don't matter so I just rot, play games, do drugs, and swim in misery until my death date, i've accepted my circumstances long ago

 

[outerdarkness]

God no, basically the walking dead at this point.

 

[Animecel2D]

 

[Azaylias]

I've given up on getting foids but I haven't necessarily given up on life

^

It's worth improving yourself to meet your own wants/needs. But if you're trying to do "muh self improvement" like a bluepiller for foids sake, you are wasting your time

 

[Xul]

Also Whitepill, i gave up long ago, used to be very depressed, now i feel okay. I nap/eat/play games all day every day and dont have guilt or shame so i cant complain lol

Basically a hedonist

 

[shishiowasright]

No, this life has me defeated.

 

[late20scel]

Im defeated. I rotmaxx because there is nothing better to do.

 

[fightercel]

I have completely given up or maybe I never tried in the first place on everything I don't bother doing anything in my life, its all nonsensical futile shit at the end of the day we all die and it don't matter so I just rot, play games, do drugs, and swim in misery until my death date, i've accepted my circumstances long ago

Also Whitepill, i gave up long ago, used to be very depressed, now i feel okay. I nap/eat/play games all day every day and dont have guilt or shame so i cant complain lol

Basically a hedonist

What about other things in life? I mean, you can get an interesting and meaningful job, travel, consume luxury, given you've got money, and so on. These things can be good from a hedonist point of view

 

[Mr.Breb]

gave up on i would say 17 when i finished growing and i saw my shity proportions. But i didn't accepted till 19.
And anyway i have a shit anycase which also began to decrease when i was 19, but still i have lot of ugly scars.
So definetly 19

 

[fightercel]

I've given up on getting foids but I haven't necessarily given up on life

That's the spirit!

 

[Deportedcel]

Can’t have any hope when ur 5’5 and autistic

 

[zd60]

What about other things in life? I mean, you can get an interesting and meaningful job, travel, consume luxury, given you've got money, and so on. These things can be good from a hedonist point of view

I don't work and never will, I have travled pretty extensively did nothing but do the same shit, eat food, consume drugs, see things that I could've seen from my pc anyways its a wasteless pit of money, i just reduce my expenses now my hedonism is more focus and refined

 

[Xul]

What about other things in life? I mean, you can get an interesting and meaningful job, travel, consume luxury, given you've got money, and so on. These things can be good from a hedonist point of view

Working or travel means interacting with normies, having responsibilities again, fuck that noise. Im avoidaint borderline and just go with it instead of fighting it.

 

[fightercel]

I've given up and accepted it's over it's possible that changes and i try again at some point in the future tho it's unlikely.

Hey, it seems you haven't lost all your hope, have you? If you try again, for sure, the whole forum will support you, so be strong

 

[Grodd]

Hey, it seems you haven't lost all your hope, have you? If you try again, for sure, the whole forum will support you, so be strong

 

[fightercel]

I don't work and never will, I have travled pretty extensively did nothing but do the same shit, eat food, consume drugs, see things that I could've seen from my pc anyways its a wasteless pit of money, i just reduce my expenses now my hedonism is more focus and refined

Well, as for me, work really made difference in terms of meaning. I was able to do research I wanted, start business products I created, and work on social problems I was interested in. For me, it was much better than keep rotting as I could see my own impact on world. You can also find a community (even if it's a normie one) which will make you feel truly alive

Well, your life is yours, ofc, it's just I hope you will find your own path to happy life

 

[zd60]

Well, as for me, work really made difference in terms of meaning. I was able to do research I wanted, start business products I created, and work on social problems I was interested in. For me, it was much better than keep rotting as I could see my own impact on world. You can also find a community (even if it's a normie one) which will make you feel truly alive

Well, your life is yours, ofc, it's just I hope you will find your own path to happy life

Yeah man I hear the same shit spewed on reddit, i don't care to find a community anymore, I don't care to contribute to society or work social problems, I don't care to create products or make money its a futile worthless boring effort that leads to nothing in the end besides death

 

[Xul]

Yeah man I hear the same shit spewed on reddit, i don't care to find a community anymore, I don't care to contribute to society or work social problems, I don't care to create products or make money its a futile worthless boring effort that leads to nothing in the end besides death

Yea tf, seems pretty fakecel

 

[zd60]

Yea tf, seems pretty fakecel

honestly they don't even try to hide

 

[fightercel]

Can’t have any hope when ur 5’5 and autistic

What do you think about whitepill? Maybe, you don't need much hope to keep going

 

[ApocalypticKrieg666]

What about other things in life? I mean, you can get an interesting and meaningful job, travel, consume luxury, given you've got money, and so on. These things can be good from a hedonist point of view

If you're going to be hedonistic why draw a line between which versions of materialism are "better" than others? It's all the same, some are just accepted and encouraged by society (pursuit of wealth, travel, etc) while others aren't (rotting and watching anime all day)

 

[fightercel]

Yea tf, seems pretty fakecel

honestly they don't even try to hide

I wish I were one... In reality, the reason why I registered here was because I was able only to beat that rotting and suicidal phase of mine after years and wanted to, maybe, help get someone else through it

 

[tacel]

Well, as for me, work really made difference in terms of meaning. I was able to do research I wanted, start business products I created, and work on social problems I was interested in. For me, it was much better than keep rotting as I could see my own impact on world. You can also find a community (even if it's a normie one) which will make you feel truly alive

Well, your life is yours, ofc, it's just I hope you will find your own path to happy life

Look man, I tried volunteering but it's mostly lazy women who want to appear good and treat any ugly man (me) as an intruder on their female space. I wanted to help out, but doing work while getting mocked behind your back and recieving hateful glances, at least let me get minimum wage lol.

 

[Justanotherbloke]

Given up and accepted the way things are, just trying to cope now

 

[zd60]

I wish I were one... In reality, the reason why I registered here was because I was able only to beat that rotting and suicidal phase of mine after years and wanted to, maybe, help get someone else through it

whatev ya say bro, but I choose the rotting life, i was suicidal the moment i was born, doesn't change much for me nothing anyone tells me will change that

 

[tacel]

I wish I were one... In reality, the reason why I registered here was because I was able only to beat that rotting and suicidal phase of mine after years and wanted to, maybe, help get someone else through it

I spent the last few years drugmaxxing, and yeah I'd understand, but everything you've said seems out of touch with what we face.
No matter what I do, I'll be rotting alone, quit because I'd rather that my body and mind don't rot with me.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I have hope, more than that, I'm fully confident I can live a comfy life.

But nobody will care about me because ugly autistic so nothing matters, nothing changes.

 

[fightercel]

If you're going to be hedonistic why draw a line between which versions of materialism are "better" than others? It's all the same, some are just accepted and encouraged by society (pursuit of wealth, travel, etc) while others aren't (rotting and watching anime all day)

Good point. I think of that as an utilitarianist. On the one hand, we've got the normal amount of 'good' from rotting, on the other hand, however, there is a possibility of a bigger amount of 'good' (better food, travelling, diverse expensive hobbies, etc.). An utilitarianist should maximise the utility, so the latter option is better.

In my life, it worked that exact way, I haven't been able to really succeed though

 

[fightercel]

I have hope, more than that, I'm fully confident I can live a comfy life.

But nobody will care about me because ugly autistic so nothing matters, nothing changes.

Not to proselytise, but it seems you might like existentialism with its core concept of coping with being hopelessly alone in the life. ('Existentialism is a Humanism' was huge for my story)

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I can't be existentialist because I always want to fuck bitches.

 

[fightercel]

whatev ya say bro, but I choose the rotting life, i was suicidal the moment i was born, doesn't change much for me nothing anyone tells me will change that

Yep, it seems I cannot say anything useful for you, I'm sorry I bothered you.

 

[fightercel]

I can't be existentialist because I always want to fuck bitches.

Is there a contradiction?

 

[ApocalypticKrieg666]

I think of that as an utilitarianist. On the one hand, we've got the normal amount of 'good' from rotting, on the other hand, however, there is a possibility of a bigger amount of 'good' (better food, travelling, diverse expensive hobbies, etc.). An utilitarianist should maximise the utility, so the latter option is better.

Materialism is all the same. Tell me exactly what the objective difference is between getting a lot of money and going to the gym or playing video games and watching anime. You can say that you prefer to do one or the other because it's better for you but that's all it is, a preference. Other people will prefer to do other things and get more personal enjoyment out of it

 

[zd60]

Yep, it seems I cannot say anything useful for you, I'm sorry I bothered you.

didn't bother me just stating how it is for me

 

[ApocalypticKrieg666]

I don't disagree with your overall message btw. I just think if you're going to embrace materialism (gym and money are just as materialistic as eating fast food and masturbating) there is no real distinction between "good" materialism and "bad" materialism. You're a man in time either way, might as well at least pursue materialism that you personally find pleasing instead of what other people and society tell you

However with all that being said I think things will get better in the world, not in our lifetimes, but there is always a rebirth following dark ages

 

[Deportedcel]

What do you think about whitepill? Maybe, you don't need much hope to keep going

Nah. I’ll be white pilled when im not a turbomanlet

 

[FuckEmAll]

Gave up years ago, I live a modest lifestyle now to fund my holidays to SEA. Coming back from SEA is always the hardest part. After a few weeks I feel fine again and have zero interest anymore in Western women.

 

[Allah (Real)]

Title. If you gave up, have you been able to truly accept your situation? Please, tell me about what you think about yourself

As for me, I've been able to somewhat beat severe depression after 5 years and now use copes with relatively low hate towards my situation and the whole world. It's not like I expect anything to get better but at least I was able to accept this. I guess, they call it whitepill

i want to surgerymaxx in the future, but I feel like my time is running out, I'll be old before I know it and surgery isn't cheap

 

[fightercel]

Materialism is all the same. Tell me exactly what the objective difference is between getting a lot of money and going to the gym or playing video games and watching anime. You can say that you prefer to do one or the other because it's better for you but that's all it is, a preference. Other people will prefer to do other things and get more personal enjoyment out of it

You're right that, obviously, one can personally prefer one kind of activities as the best and the most enjoyable. Unfortunately, I cannot provide you with scientific papers that would state that it is true for most of the people that one kind of activities are better than others (which would be an evidence that there's an intersubjective difference between activities), but I think you can agree that for the most of us there are things they would love to do besides what we already do, given we had more money or resources. For instance, I may enjoy playing vidya, and if I had more money, I could upgrade my PC, buy more games, attend esport events and so on. If I had that, I would like it more and that's the subjective difference for each person, who doesn't get the maximum personal enjoyment from what they already have

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

I gave up
can't win in life as a sub5 incel

 

[fightercel]

I don't disagree with your overall message btw. I just think if you're going to embrace materialism (gym and money are just as materialistic as eating fast food and masturbating) there is no real distinction between "good" materialism and "bad" materialism. You're a man in time either way, might as well at least pursue materialism that you personally find pleasing instead of what other people and society tell you

I agree, that's what utilitarianism about and why it was critisised a lot

However with all that being said I think things will get better in the world, not in our lifetimes, but there is always a rebirth following dark ages

 

[ThePornographer]

I don't see what I can do.

I have lost weight.

I workout.

Tried haircut, look like a clown in with any haircut.

Do not have money to buy good-looking cloth ( like if it's going to change anything, the biggest cope really)

I can't find a job or keep one.

My only hope is to find a way to money max but it's hard man.

 

[ApocalypticKrieg666]

I think you can agree that for the most of us there are things they would love to do besides what we already do, given we had more money or resources. For instance, I may enjoy playing vidya, and if I had more money, I could upgrade my PC, buy more games, attend esport events and so on. If I had that, I would like it more and that's the subjective difference for each person, who doesn't get the maximum personal enjoyment from what they already have

That makes sense. If you're just talking about money as a means to improve what you already enjoy rather than something to be pursued by itself then I understand your point and I would agree

 

[fightercel]

I don't see what I can do.

I have lost weight.

I workout.

Tried haircut, look like a clown in with any haircut.

Do not have money to buy good-looking cloth ( like if it's going to change anything, the biggest cope really)

I can't find a job or keep one.

My only hope is to find a way to money max but it's hard man.

Hey, it seems you've made a ton of progress! Do you see results so far, is it any better?

As for clothes, unless we talk about suits, what helped me was trying to copy outfits from Pinterest, using accessible clothes (fast fashion and second-hand stores). I wouldn't say I'm good-looking or really stylish now, but the difference was noticeable.

You're right, moneymaxxing is tough, especially nowadays, but you're definitely on the right track! Do you have a degree or experience? From my experience, such areas, like programming and product management, are relatively accessible and high paying if you willing to make significant efforts.

You're getting there!

 

[ThePornographer]

Hey, it seems you've made a ton of progress! Do you see results so far, is it any better?

As for clothes, unless we talk about suits, what helped me was trying to copy outfits from Pinterest, using accessible clothes (fast fashion and second-hand stores). I wouldn't say I'm good-looking or really stylish now, but the difference was noticeable.

You're right, moneymaxxing is tough, especially nowadays, but you're definitely on the right track! Do you have a degree or experience? From my experience, such areas, like programming and product management, are relatively accessible and high paying if you willing to make significant efforts.

You're getting there!

Programming is doomed because of AI, now programmers exist just to be here if the AI isn't doing it's job lol

Moneymax is the only way for incels, yeah i have seen some change with my improving, but it's changes that do not change my life, people still look at me like im a fucking criminal, women still find me unatractive, people still hate be at work when i have one.

Clothes from my point of view do not change that much your life, should you stop taking care of yourself ? No, wear what you like, but it's not going to make you chad, people do not understand that a chad wearing basic cloth that any incel wear is still chad and make pussies wet, an incel wearing chad tier cloth is just a clown.

 

[fightercel]

Programming is doomed because of AI, now programmers exist just to be here if the AI isn't doing it's job lol

Unless you aren't just a coder. High-tech was always competitive

people still look at me like im a fucking criminal, women still find me unatractive, people still hate be at work when i have one.

That's awful. I feel sorry for you. Btw, it sounds more like their problem, doesn't it? Don't give a fuck about normies

Clothes from my point of view do not change that much your life, should you stop taking care of yourself ? No, wear what you like, but it's not going to make you chad, people do not understand that a chad wearing basic cloth that any incel wear is still chad and make pussies wet, an incel wearing chad tier cloth is just a clown.

Every little helps.

Later, moneymaxxing can really make a change. For example, here's photos of Pavel Durov and his not so successful brother

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Almost no hope left but I will never recover from inceldom, it will haunt me till my death.