Theory As Incels, we have no right to complain

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Inceldom is a natural phenomenon, like every large-scale human trend. There are those among us who believe that Inceldom has its roots in Genetics, others that it is caused by culture. In any case, it is clearly on a scale beyond right and wrong.

Of course, people are hypocrites, people are lying. But is that news? People have always been hypocrite liars. If the shoe had been on the other foot; if we had been Chad or Stacy, we would have been behaving exactly like they do. If we were normies, we would act like normies do.

We are animals trying to survive and we improvise as we go, like any other species. Would it have made sense for dinosaurs to complain when a meteorite wiped them out? Complain to whom? God? Even those who believe do not think we have a right to complain.

Talking about our suffering is fine, like in this thread:

But we must realize that we have no grounds for complaining, for demands of "justice" or "redress". Ours is a declining culture and we have drawn the short stick. That's it. Nobody put us there. Nobody controls the situation. It is just the way things are. The only valid question is: what can we do, given the position we are in?
 
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Slavery, poverty, death, rape, suffering are also natural phenomena.
Also, nice that you used my thread and I was the first to respond.
 
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We can renounce things as they are, and refuse to partecipate in the status quo. The right to be happy and have a family are rights given to us by god, and are much more important than whatever bullshit nature and society want for us
 
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we live in a society
 
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Slavery, poverty, death, rape, suffering are also natural phenomena.
I don't think all these things are on the same level.

Rape is an individual act. It is small-scale enough to be controlled by human laws. The Police and the Justice system are effective institutions to deal with it.

Slavery is on a larger scale but it can still be dealt with, as the Civil War attests.

Poverty was once something people thought could be eradicated by a revolution. We know better now. With poverty, we are crossing the threshold of what is intractable for us.

Death? Well, ... Maybe a super transhuman society some day might be able to deal with it. We sure as hell can't.

Inceldom is somewhere between Poverty and Death.

Also, nice that you used my thread and I was the first to respond.
It was a beautiful thread, full of honesty.
 
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Inceldom is a natural phenomenon
Yes. And being angry is also a natural phenomenon. I will never feel comfortable with all the inequality in this world. Anger and violence are the tools the nature gives out to the non privileged people. Always remember, most privileged people don’t want to share their privileges (especially money) even though they did nothing to earn it. Life is pure luck for about 80%.

No privileges for anybody!
 
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House negro mentality.
 
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House negro mentality.
From this point on @Diocel has decreed that OP has no more right to make threads because everything OP will talk about is already set in motion, inevitable and as unaddressable an issue as poverty.
 
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House negro mentality.

"Happy slaves are the bitterest enemies of freedom."​


The only valid question is: what can we do, given the position we are in?
Cause dire consequences for the society that created and abandoned us.

No offense, but your defeatist attitude is disgusting btw.
Go on and go gentle into that good night.
 
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Yes. And being angry is also a natural phenomenon. I will never feel comfortable with all the inequality in this world. Anger and violence are the tools the nature gives out to the non privileged people. Always remember, most privileged people don’t want to share their privileges (especially money) even though they did nothing to earn it. Life is pure luck for about 80%.
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Yes. And being angry is also a natural phenomenon.
Being angry is built into our genes. It is the equivalent of what an animal feels when he is about to fight.

Can we "fight" Inceldom? Could the dinosaurs "fight" the meteorite?

Nope. The problem we have is that, as humans, our instincts do not always lead us to profitable behavior. Being angry at Inceldom is a waste of resources, a waste of mental power. It is what leads us to depression.

I will never feel comfortable with all the inequality in this world.
Then you will die of exhaustion.

Anger and violence are the tools the nature gives out to the non privileged people.
Marxist bullshit = Normie bullshit = bluepill

Always remember, most privileged people don’t want to share their privileges (especially money) even though they did nothing to earn it.
See above

Life is pure luck for about 80%.
Yes. Can you be angry at luck?

No privileges for anybody!
You want to live in the Soviet Union? Or North Korea? Maybe you prefer Cambodia under Pol Pot?
 
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we live in a society
Societies live and die. When they are dying, complaining is pointless.
No offense, but your defeatist attitude is disgusting btw.
Defeatist or realist? Picking a fight you can't win is silly. Banging your head against a concrete wall will earn you nothing but a headache.
Go on and go gentle into that good night.
I never said that.
House negro mentality.
Low IQ
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You want to live in the Soviet Union? Or North Korea? Maybe you prefer Cambodia under Pol Pot?
You sound like a simp to me and I will only answer your last questions because anything else is a waste of time.
Soviet Union and North Korea are first of all dictatorships, just like Chile under Augusto Pinochet. This is the reason why life is/was horrible for the people. The socialism is not the reason.

Enjoy your life little simp and don’t forget to kiss the feet of the privileged people.
 
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"Anger and violence are the tools the nature gives out to the non privileged people."
Marxist bullshit = Normie bullshit = bluepill
Huh?

The bluepill is cowardly passive aceptance.

“Violence is not the answer.”
“The world if fair.”
“Karma/God will set everything right.”

Literally the opposite of what @SoloAlex said.

Defeatist or realist? Picking a fight you can't win is silly. Banging your head against a concrete wall will earn you nothing but a headache.

Defeatist.

The fight can be won. Other discriminated groups have won acceptance and support already. Incels can do the same. (But it will be much harder in the current social climate).

And it will earn my a great deal of dignity.

I never said that.

Could you summarize your solution in a few short sentences please? Because I don’t see a solution in your writing, just disguised copes.
 
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I don't think all these things are on the same level.

Rape is an individual act. It is small-scale enough to be controlled by human laws. The Police and the Justice system are effective institutions to deal with it.

Slavery is on a larger scale but it can still be dealt with, as the Civil War attests.

Poverty was once something people thought could be eradicated by a revolution. We know better now. With poverty, we are crossing the threshold of what is intractable for us.

Death? Well, ... Maybe a super transhuman society some day might be able to deal with it. We sure as hell can't.

Inceldom is somewhere between Poverty and Death.


It was a beautiful thread, full of honesty.
Civil war didn't attest to shit, slavery is still prevelent in the US, with almost half a million slaves in the US today.

The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States every year

Also, rape being small scale hasn't stopped it. Since it can't be stopped as a trend like slavery, victims have no right to complain either.

The self-reported incidence of rape or sexual assault more than doubled from 1.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older in 2017 to 2.7 in 2018. Based on data from the survey, it is estimated that 734,630 people were raped (threatened, attempted, or completed) in the United States in 2018.
 
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Civil war didn't attest to shit, slavery is still prevelent in the US, with almost half a million slaves in the US today.

The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States every year
Source? What do you call "slavery" for Americans inside the US?
Also, rape being small scale hasn't stopped it. Since it can't be stopped as a trend like slavery, victims have no right to complain either.
You cannot stop it but you can reduce it significantly. It is always like that with crime. The purpose of the Police/Justice System is not to eradicate crime, just to keep it at acceptable levels.
The self-reported incidence of rape or sexual assault more than doubled from 1.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older in 2017 to 2.7 in 2018. Based on data from the survey, it is estimated that 734,630 people were raped (threatened, attempted, or completed) in the United States in 2018.
These statistics are highly dubious. Rape is a favorite for journalistic/SJW manipulation. I don't think that any statistics of rape can be trusted today. We just don't know what is going on.
 
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Huh?

The bluepill is cowardly passive aceptance.

“Violence is not the answer.”
“The world if fair.”
“Karma/God will set everything right.”

Literally the opposite of what @SoloAlex said.
This is how SJWs/bluepillers trick you:
  1. They say "privilege is unacceptable", "people have to be made equal", "let us fight social injustice" (hence "SJW"), exactly like @SoloAlex
  2. The don't say "the world is fair" (no one ever says that nowadays except a few NeoCons that no one is listening to anymore)
  3. They bash religion, i.e., those who say: “Karma/God will set everything right.” So they portray themselves as the enemies of those who say that
  4. They say "Fight with us", i.e., demonstrate with BLM, vote Democrat, bleat with the other sheep on twitter
  5. They say: "the government will solve 1."
The reason they say all this and cannot say "let us do a violent revolution" is because their grand-parents supported Stalin, Mao and Pol-Pot and that approach is no longer credible. They want power. If they could do it Stalin-style, they would. The current version of the bullshit is just the second best option for them because they cannot do it old-style anymore.

As soon as you say 1., you are cucked. The only thing you achieve is adding momentum to the whole charade and help them do 5., which is the cause of the welfare state that helps foids be degenerate and fuck Chad all day long without financial repercussions
The fight can be won.
How?
Other discriminated groups have won acceptance and support already. Incels can do the same.
How can you believe such bluepill nonsense? Single, unfuckable men gaining recognition as an "oppressed" group? What have you been smoking?

You think that Holloywood stacies are going to fight for us? Man ....
And it will earn my a great deal of dignity.
Pie in the sky.
Could you summarize your solution in a few short sentences please? Because I don’t see a solution in your writing, just disguised copes.
My point is that our society/culture is dying. Nothing good/constructive can be expected of it.

We have to build a new one.
Soviet Union and North Korea are first of all dictatorships, just like Chile under Augusto Pinochet. This is the reason why life is/was horrible for the people. The socialism is not the reason.
Spoken like a true bluepill useful idiot
 
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This is how SJWs/bluepillers trick you:
  1. They say "privilege is unacceptable", "people have to be made equal", "let us fight social injustice" (hence "SJW"), exactly like @SoloAlex
  2. The don't say "the world is fair" (no one ever says that nowadays except a few NeoCons that no one is listening to anymore)
  3. They bash religion, i.e., those who say: “Karma/God will set everything right.” So they portray themselves as the enemies of those who say that
  4. They say "Fight with us", i.e., demonstrate with BLM, vote Democrat, bleat with the other sheep on twitter
  5. They say: "the government will solve 1."
The reason they say all this and cannot say "let us do a violent revolution" is because their grand-parents supported Stalin, Mao and Pol-Pot and that approach is no longer credible. They want power. If they could do it Stalin-style, they would. The current version of the bullshit is just the second best option for them because they cannot do it old-style anymore.

As soon as you say 1., you are cucked. The only thing you achieve is adding momentum to the whole charade and help them do 5., which is the cause of the welfare state that helps foids be degenerate and fuck Chad all day long without financial repercussions

Maybe we have different notions about what exactly SJWs and bluepillers are, but I don’t think you can put them in the same basket like you do now.

Bluepillers, IMO, live contently in an illusory dream word and try to uphold the illusion with the phrases/thinking I just cited.

SJWs, IMO, see problems (valid or not) and try to fight (effectively or not) them. And they talk a lot about revolution while strongly implying violence.

But, again, maybe we are using different definitions here. I agree however with everything you said about SJWs.
However, Marxist bullshit = SJWs != bluepill, IMO.

A.) By creating our own (superficial) culture, like blacks have done it. Rap music, for example, if full with glorifications of sexism, racism and crime, but for some strange reason the mainstream feminists don’t dare to criticize it. They even virtue signal about that culture constantly.

Blacks: “Yea, I hate whites and the police and disrespect bitches, so what?”
Normies: “It’s ok because he grew up in the ghetto, we must respect his culture.”

The equivalence for Incels should be:

Incels: “Yea, I hate normies, society and women, so what?”
Normies: “It’s ok because he was bullied, rejected and fed lies his entire life, we must respect his culture.”

B.) By gaining respect through the projection of violence, like blacks and Muslims have done. Islam is the absolute opposite of the progressive Movement, but for some strange reason the Normies strongly condemn every criticism of Islam as “islamophobia” and “racism”.

This reason, I think, is because of fear or Stockholm syndrome. Normies know by now that disrespecting Islam has lethal consequences, therefore they “respect” it out of fear… and because it is a “brown” religion. Without these factors they would bash it even more than they do Christianity.

We need violent Thug Culture for Incels. And the occasional ER does not harm either.

People should learn that disrespecting us has consequences.

You think that Holloywood stacies are going to fight for us? Man ....
Holloywood stacies do whatever the mainstream tells them to do and the mainstream can be bend.

Pie in the sky.
Dignity is an emotional state. I have it the very moment I think I have it.

My point is that our society/culture is dying. Nothing good/constructive can be expected of it.

We have to build a new one.
So we should wait, suffer, endure and cope for an indeterminate amount of time and then pick up the pieces?
 
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Bluepillers, IMO, live contently in an illusory dream word
It is true that bluepillers "live ... in an illusory dream word", but they don't live there "contentedly". they try to convince themselves they are content but they are not. In fact they live in anxiety because the illusion is not perfect. A trickle of reality filters into the bubble and irks them continuously. That is why they hate us. We are a living proof that something is wrong

Marxist bullshit = SJWs != bluepill, IMO.
Increasingly, bluepill = SJW. We are not completely there yet but almost. There are still some right-wing bluepillers but they are an endangered species. Saw what happened at the last election in the US? Right-wing bluepillers are hated almost as much as us by the media. The media are even talking about using drone strikes to eliminate them. And they are only half-joking ...

A.) By creating our own (superficial) culture, like blacks have done it. Rap music, for example, if full with glorifications of sexism, racism and crime, but for some strange reason the mainstream feminists don’t dare to criticize it. They even virtue signal about that culture constantly.

Blacks: “Yea, I hate whites and the police and disrespect bitches, so what?”
Normies: “It’s ok because he grew up in the ghetto, we must respect his culture.”

The equivalence for Incels should be:

Incels: “Yea, I hate normies, society and women, so what?”
Normies: “It’s ok because he was bullied, rejected and fed lies his entire life, we must respect his culture.”
As long as there will be whites among us, that will never work. The label Incel = Nazi is just too strong. And what are we going to do with all the stormfrontcels among us? Offer them in a sacrifice to the MSM in exchange for our "oppressed group" membership card?

B.) By gaining respect through the projection of violence, like blacks and Muslims have done. Islam is the absolute opposite of the progressive Movement, but for some strange reason the Normies strongly condemn every criticism of Islam as “islamophobia” and “racism”.
This is because they are not white. SJWs are white and whites still control society. They are against their own whiteness because they hope that by transcending their whiteness they will become super-human, like some sort of angels. They don't really care about non-whites. They just use them in their demented attempt at self-deification.

This reason, I think, is because of fear or Stockholm syndrome.
It is a secondary reason; not the primary one (see above)

Again, as long as there are whites among us, we are screwed.

We need violent Thug Culture for Incels. And the occasional ER does not harm either.

People should learn that disrespecting us has consequences.
For that we would need to be way way way more aggressive than we are now. I am talking about at least Palestinian-level of violence. And even the Palestinians were tamed by the Israelis. You hardly hear about them nowadays.

Anyways, even Palestinian-levels of violence are well beyond our reach. We are isolated. We are depressed. We are not fighters. Black thug culture is basically Tyrone culture; it is alpha male culture. By definition, we are the exact opposite of alpha males.

Dignity is an emotional state. I have it the very moment I think I have it.
You are talking about self-respect, not dignity. Dignity can only be granted to you by society, by definition.

So we should wait, suffer, endure and cope for an indeterminate amount of time and then pick up the pieces?
There is absolutely nothing else we can realistically do.

Dreaming about an Incel Intifada is cope.
 
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Bullshit, first you say Chad and Stacy have right to behave as they are and then you say incels dont have the right to act as we do because we got the short stick? You sound like a foid, take that short stick and shove it up your ass
 
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Bullshit, first you say Chad and Stacy have right to behave as they are
I did not say exactly that but it is not exactly incorrect either.

A "right" is something that is granted to an individual by a society. Our degenerate fucked-up soyciety does grant Chad and Stacy the right to behave as they do.

I do not like our current soyciety anymore than you do, in particular because it does give them those rights.

No society gives us any rights. That is a fact. If we want things to change, we have to create our own society; our own culture. There is no alternative.
You sound like a foid, take that short stick and shove it up your ass
Don't be low IQ. Being low IQ never helped anyone.
 
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Shit infiltrator thread
>no right to complain
Fuck you. I'll do more than complain; I'll sabotage the existence and careers of everyone who pisses me off.
 
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I did not say exactly that but it is not exactly incorrect either.

A "right" is something that is granted to an individual by a society. Our degenerate fucked-up soyciety does grant Chad and Stacy the right to behave as they do.

I do not like our current soyciety anymore than you do, in particular because it does give them those rights.

No society gives us any rights. That is a fact. If we want things to change, we have to create our own society; our own culture. There is no alternative.

Don't be low IQ. Being low IQ never helped anyone.
Im sorry, that was uncalled for. Society with incels even with our rules without anyone interfering we would still be miserable. Not everyone here has the same status, height, strength and success mogging would still be present. Better and smarter incels would take the lead and low lvl incels would still be on the bottom.
 
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I'll sabotage the existence and careers of everyone who pisses me off.
Cope.

You will do nothing at all except keep on whining on this forum.
Im sorry, that was uncalled for.
It is ok. We all have our temper.

Society with incels even with our rules without anyone interfering we would still be miserable.
I disagree. Buddhism says that by understanding the reason for your misery, you reduce it by a lot. I am not a Buddhist but I have personally experienced the effectiveness of that idea. If we fully understand our situation for the natural disaster that it is, we will suffer less.

Not everyone here has the same status, height, strength and success mogging would still be present. Better and smarter incels would take the lead and low lvl incels would still be on the bottom.
Yes, but why would that be bad? Hierarchies have always existed. It is bluepill nonsense (Marxism + Nietzche) that brainwashed us into thinking that everybody should be equal.

To be fully blackpilled you have to accept that some inequalities are legitimate. Of course, hierarchy based on Chadness is crap. It is animal behavior. But for anything to be done, you need someone to lead. Not everyone has the same capacity to take good decisions. Not everyone has the same talent. Not everyone has the same experience. The Black pill is about acknowledging the world as it is, without varnish, without bullshit. Inequality, the need for hierarchies, are part of the world as it is.
 
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Cucked thread tbqh

"Hurr inceldom is just a natural phenomenon. Sometimes dinosaurs get wiped out or tsunamis fuck thousands of people. It's life =DD"

Fuck off with your retarded blue pilled thread. It's not complaining, it's criticizing. And the second we stop criticizing is the second we start being content. And I will never be fucking content being ostracized by this shit society, fuck you.
 
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It's not complaining, it's criticizing.
Cope
And the second we stop criticizing is the second we start being content. And I will never be fucking content being ostracized by this shit society, fuck you.
Keep suffering then, if you like it.
 
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Cope

Keep suffering then, if you like it.
Better suffering than being a feelingless NPC. You literally expect us to become NPCs. No fuck that.
 
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This kind of argument makes me laugh.

It's in male nature to rape, kill, and steal, but humans have built society's around leaving behind those primitive natural desires. Apparently it's only okay to abide by your nature if you're a female because it's at the expense of a male.

Whenever these nature fags get refuted and told their logic is retarded and applies two ways, their brains literally start chugging fumes and shut down, because they can't imagine having women abide by the same rules as men and want to give them special treatment for having a hole.

Men literally invent ways to defend women, despite women having 0 respect for them, how sad is that shit?
 
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Better suffering than being a feelingless NPC. You literally expect us to become NPCs. No fuck that.
Not being a ball of depressed, suicidal nerves does not mean you are an NPC, drama queen.

You really want to stay like that until you rope?
 
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Not being a ball of depressed, suicidal nerves does not mean you are an NPC, drama queen.

You really want to stay like that until you rope?
You said no right to complain.

Protip: You can be stoic and collected and still complain. One literally has nothing to do with the other.
 
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Protip: You can be stoic and collected and still complain.
Stoicism is cope. That's not what I am talking about.

Bawling your eyes out because you are miserable is not a problem. It is honest.

Complaining, as if someone was going to listen, is ostrich-level, head-in-the-sand level cope.

Once you have digested the black pill and have figured out what the deal is, there is nothing left to complain about. Only half-blackpilledcels still complain.
 
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Stoicism is cope. That's not what I am talking about.

Bawling your eyes out because you are miserable is not a problem. It is honest.

Complaining, as if someone was going to listen, is ostrich-level, head-in-the-sand level cope.

Once you have digested the black pill and have figured out what the deal is, there is nothing left to complain about. Only half-blackpilledcels still complain.
You realize that "complaining" is and has been portrayed by anti-incels as even voicing any discontent or anything that could imply the slightest negative thing about women as a group right? Even if you voice your misery society will still try and shut you up. No one here expects that someone is going to change anything for the better when they vent but what you are saying by how "incels have no right to complain" is that you are saying that incels shouldn't even have the right to complain about how things are in society in their own online communities. Meanwhile everyone else is allowed to complain and further their narrative of sexually unsuccessful men in the mean time? That's really harmful for incels to let that happen. You are basically ceding all ground and willingly self censoring.

With such an approach people will be even more emboldened to make demands of incels.
 
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Source? What do you call "slavery" for Americans inside the US?

You cannot stop it but you can reduce it significantly. It is always like that with crime. The purpose of the Police/Justice System is not to eradicate crime, just to keep it at acceptable levels.

These statistics are highly dubious. Rape is a favorite for journalistic/SJW manipulation. I don't think that any statistics of rape can be trusted today. We just don't know what is going on.
Bro, if rape was less because of punishment, then it would be the least in Middle Eastern countries where it would lead to a death sentence.

Also, I just googled “How many slaves are there in America” and “How many people are raped in America” and used the first numbers that popped up.
 
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Cucked thread tbqh

"Hurr inceldom is just a natural phenomenon. Sometimes dinosaurs get wiped out or tsunamis fuck thousands of people. It's life =DD"

Fuck off with your retarded blue pilled thread. It's not complaining, it's criticizing. And the second we stop criticizing is the second we start being content. And I will never be fucking content being ostracized by this shit society, fuck you.
tbh ngl ded srs.

The mainstream blue pilled culture already paints incels as "misogynists who think they're entitled to sex" and tries to downplay and sideline our very real and legitimate complaints about the absolute state of society. And OP is pushing same shit.

First this nonsense about valuing trust over truth and throwing away science, and now this crap? I'm starting to think OP might be a legit subverter whose infiltrated and trying to warp our attitudes and perceptions.

This kind of argument makes me laugh.

It's in male nature to rape, kill, and steal, but humans have built society's around leaving behind those primitive natural desires. Apparently it's only okay to abide by your nature if you're a female because it's at the expense of a male.

Whenever these nature fags get refuted and told their logic is retarded, their brains literally start chugging fumes and shut down, because they can't imagine having women abide by the same rules as men and want to give them special treatment for having a hole.

Men literally invent ways to defend women, despite women having 0 respect for them, how sad is that shit?
Based and black pilled.
 
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Found the infiltrator.
 
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Bro, if rape was less because of punishment, then it would be the least in Middle Eastern countries where it would lead to a death sentence.
Maybe it is, who knows ?

Also, I just googled “How many slaves are there in America” and “How many people are raped in America” and used the first numbers that popped up.
Do you honestly think you can believe such numbers? How naive are you?

You realize that "complaining" is and has been portrayed by anti-incels as even voicing any discontent or anything that could imply the slightest negative thing about women as a group right?
Who is talking about that ?

Even if you voice your misery society will still try and shut you up.
Who is talking about society? Forget soyciety. Fuck Soyciety. It is broken beyond repair anyway and won't respond to anything we say.

I am talking about what we do here, within our own space (sort of)

No one here expects that someone is going to change anything for the better when they vent
That is a mistake I believe. Things always change. Change for the better is possible. Things have been better in the past. Why couldn't we find a way to repeat that?

Venting is ok as a cope, I guess. But at some point. that cope has to stop. Beyond that point, venting becomes self defeating and harmful. It makes you even more depressed than you were to begin with. @HotPotCel

Constant venting turns this place into a mutual depression-amplifying circle jerk.
but what you are saying by how "incels have no right to complain" is that you are saying that incels shouldn't even have the right to complain about how things are in society in their own online communities.
What I am saying is that each Greycel should be allowed a fixed number of "venting points" upon joining. Once the venting points are exhausted, the complaining should stop. I am joking of course, but you get my meaning.

Venting in an endless loop is self defeating.

Meanwhile everyone else is allowed to complain and further their narrative of sexually unsuccessful men in the mean time? That's really harmful for incels to let that happen.
No amount of complaining is ever going to change how soyciety views us. Thinking we can gain anything by complaining is the giga-cope

You are basically ceding all ground and willingly self censoring.
I am just trying to tune down the endless, self-defeating whining giga-cope.

You know that this forum is run by the FBI, right? The purpose is to give us a space where we can whine all by ourselves, without anybody else noticing. That is why we are being kicked off all other platforms and only allowed here. Nobody can hear us complain here but ourselves + agent Mulder in his basement office and a few IT lurkers.

With such an approach people will be even more emboldened to make demands of incels.
They will make demands regardless of whether we complain or not. They don't give a fuck about what we say or think anyway,
Once you have digested the black pill and have figured out what the deal is, there is nothing left to complain about. Only half-blackpilledcels still complain.
I'm starting to think OP is [... snip ...] trying to warp our attitudes and perceptions.
I am.

Most Incels are still half blue-pilled. Or at least they still have bits and pieces of the blue pill scattered around their brains everywhere, like believing that science is about "truth", for example.

What I am pushing is full-on, no compromise, no looking back, no half-assery, blackpill-maxxing.
 
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Of course, people are hypocrites, people are lying. But is that news? People have always been hypocrite liars. If the shoe had been on the other foot; if we had been Chad or Stacy, we would have been behaving exactly like they do. If we were normies, we would act like normies do.
Not if you're an autist or something. Only applies to NT cels.

But we must realize that we have no grounds for complaining, for demands of "justice" or "redress". Ours is a declining culture and we have drawn the short stick. That's it. Nobody put us there. Nobody controls the situation. It is just the way things are
I'm gonna complain about inceldom until I stop hearing about SJW grievances and I don't give a damn who doesn't like it. If someone argues "life isn't fair stop whining" then they need to live by that in every field.
 
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Not if you're an autist or something. Only applies to NT cels.
Autism is quackery. The spectrum is bullshit


I'm gonna complain about inceldom until I stop hearing about SJW grievances and I don't give a damn who doesn't like it.
If you want to cope in a way that makes your depression worse, fine.

Endless complaining is like alcohol. On the spot, it feels good. Then you have the hangover (depression)

If someone argues "life isn't fair stop whining" then they need to live by that in every field.
Of course
 
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Who is talking about society? Forget soyciety. Fuck Soyciety. It is broken beyond repair anyway and won't respond to anything we say.
Anti-incels say it all the time that's it's not enough for incels to stop whining but to actively stop hating on women and just mind their own business and stop harassing everyone (ie stop speaking). That's what I mean by society not being satisfied even if people here stop complaining. They don't want anyone here to post at all, nevermind under the restricted demands you have of them not "complaining".
I am talking about what we do here, within our own space (sort of)
Okay so then what is your problem with people venting if it's within our own space?
That is a mistake I believe. Things always change. Change for the better is possible. Things have been better in the past. Why couldn't we find a way to repeat that?

Venting is ok as a cope, I guess. But at some point. that cope has to stop. Beyond that point, venting becomes self defeating and harmful. It makes you even more depressed than you were to begin with. @HotPotCel

Constant venting turns this place into a mutual depression-amplifying circle jerk.
But at the same time if you don't allow people to vent they can never get things past them and things off of their mind. Allowing them to vent let's them get things off their back instead of bottling it up.

This point about venting becoming self defeating and harmful is a point that people in againsthatesubreddits and subs trying to ban the manosphere are recently pushing to try and convince others they don't like to shut up. They never apply this to any other causes that they are more neutral about and encourage others to speak up on other issues. Why are you pushing this point then? Especially when everyone else has grown up being told it isn't good to bottle things up and suffer in silence? You expect people to discard this view just because some research said so when they know for a fact venting helps them get things off their mind and not suffer in silence?
What I am saying is that each Greycel should be allowed a fixed number of "venting points" upon joining. Once the venting points are exhausted, the complaining should stop. I am joking of course, but you get my meaning.

Venting in an endless loop is self defeating.
So what if people continue vent? They aren't able to vent anywhere else. You can always ignore them if it bothers you.
No amount of complaining is ever going to change how soyciety views us. Thinking we can gain anything by complaining is the giga-cope


I am just trying to tune down the endless, self-defeating whining giga-cope.
No one ever said anything about gaining anything though. The point is whether you post or not society will keep trying to advance narratives about low SMV males and if you don't post in opposition to them you are basically ceding full ground for them to create the narrative about such guys. It's because ethnicels are talked about so much here that a lot of society has had to acknowledge that many incels are ethnic for example.

Many people here would probably be fine posting if others simply ignored incels and stopped trying to speak for them to advance their own agendas. As one thread said
You know that this forum is run by the FBI, right? The purpose is to give us a space where we can whine all by ourselves, without anybody else noticing. That is why we are being kicked off all other platforms and only allowed here. Nobody can hear us complain here but ourselves + agent Mulder in his basement office and a few IT lurkers.
Don't give them all the credit it could very well be other western 'intelligence' agencies or someone agency out of Iran, Russia or China (like Larson's wiki once read).
They will make demands regardless of whether we complain or not. They don't give a fuck about what we say or think anyway,
Once you have digested the black pill and have figured out what the deal is, there is nothing left to complain about. Only half-blackpilledcels still complain.
I reject your all or nothing approach here about how "only half-blackpilledcels still complain"
You don't like people complaining? Fine but don't try to enforce your will on others by claiming that people who still complain aren't fully blackpilled. That is a tactic to co-opt the blackpill to claim that "real" blackpillers don't complain. It's like when feminists tell MRAs that they aren't truly for "men's rights". Or that people that vent about something aren't really men. The goal of such tactics is to shut others up by pretending to know better what a group should actually stand for.

Again who cares if venting isn't immediately productive? Not everything has to be productive. And if nobody gave a fuck about what we say or think there wouldn't be websites dedicating to "monitoring" what is said here. They wish we'd be silent completely and you are basically helping them achieve that first step if you convince others here to stop "whining".
 
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