You're giving normies too much credit when you say they "know exactly what they're doing " when trying to gaslight incels

[Eunuch]

One of the most principal reasons I can think of this is that most sex havers will know some ugly outlier guy who manages to fuck, so they tenuously use that guy to gaslight other ugly men who don't have the outlier traits

The second piece of it is something that hits much closer to home since I used to be NT lap dog. Basically if you're reasonably neurotypical and know the basic social rituals, occasionally you'll have someone above you looks wise who tries to befriend you. even if people are intrinsically Machiavellian and shitty, sometimes this intention is genuine and simply naive on the part of the better looking person. usually the normie in question will think that you might offer them something by being NT and ugly IE that you'll be mog insurance without being a liability, even though the normie's intention is also to boost your status because the normie in question thinks they're a good person and that they wouldn't be parasitic like that. To put it simply the normie thinks that it can be a symbiotic relationship but it always ends up being parasitic. Eventually people learn that past college or so, but in high school and the early days of college that kind of thing happened to me a lot.

 

[Q. H. Cooks]

Foids and Chads gaslight us. Normies gaslight not only us but themselves, because the truth is also extremely unpleasant to them.

 

[Eunuch]

Foids and Chads gaslight us. Normies gaslight not only us but themselves, because the truth is also extremely unpleasant to them.

I always phrase it as that they "try to gaslight" us. Most of them underestimate the social awareness of a typical subhuman so much that they think their gaslighting attempts are successful even when they are obviously not. once you internalize that lookism is on par with things like slavery and genocide, it's very difficult to be gaslit in anything more than special permutations. And by special permutations I mean permutations where person in question has actually provided you with tangible social capital.

I don't think the truth is that unpleasant to average looking men who are reasonably financially successful. Usually men in this category can get looks matched women just fine. If you look at my sig you'll see that it's all about selecting out ugly men more so than any other type of lookism dynamic even more so than promoting attractive women. If you're an average looking guy who's non-nt or poor and can't get a looks matched girl and can only get fat mentally ill women, Then the truth would be very unpleasant. But usually guys in this category don't have much leverage to gaslight incels or even a desire to do so; they're usually the types who engage in pretty obvious bullying on sites like Reddit and IRL when they can get away with it

 

[Q. H. Cooks]

I always phrase it as that they "try to gaslight" us. Most of them underestimate the social awareness of a typical subhuman so much that they think their gaslighting attempts are successful even when they are obviously not. once you internalize that lookism is on par with things like slavery and genocide, it's very difficult to be gaslit in anything more than special permutations. And by special permutations I mean permutations where person in question has actually provided you with tangible social capital.

I don't think the truth is that unpleasant to average looking men who are reasonably financially successful. Usually men in this category can get looks matched women just fine. If you look at my sig you'll see that it's all about selecting out ugly men more so than any other type of lookism dynamic even more so than promoting attractive women. If you're an average looking guy who's non-nt or poor and can't get a looks matched girl and can only get fat mentally ill women, Then the truth would be very unpleasant. But usually guys in this category don't have much leverage to gaslight incels or even a desire to do so; they're usually the types who engage in pretty obvious bullying on sites like Reddit and IRL when they can get away with it

High IQ observations. What I said was influenced by the false perception that I was once a normie, before age further decreased my looks. It's not true tbh. I was never a normie, even in my absolute prime, I barely touched the low tier normie category.

I would never have been an incel through the early 2000s, which I lived as teen, had I been a normie, considering how much easier it was back then and my mostly NT, decently sociable mental condition.

 

[Pikacel]

I always phrase it as that they "try to gaslight" us. Most of them underestimate the social awareness of a typical subhuman so much that they think their gaslighting attempts are successful even when they are obviously not.

Doubt they’re truly underestimating us

They know that we’re aware of what they’re doing, that’s the point. To make us feel insulted and provoke us

Then we react negatively giving them carte blanche to tear into us (since we replied negatively first)

 

[Eunuch]

Doubt they’re truly underestimating us

They know that we’re aware of what they’re doing, that’s the point. To make us feel insulted and provoke us

Then we react negatively giving them carte blanche to tear into us (since we replied negatively first)

I used to think this but Not so much anymore

The reason I posted this thread was because of this normie guy from college

he Was a couple years older than me and befriended me and kinda "took me under his wing" for a couple months until he realized that it was too much of a failo to associate with me

He put his own time and energy on the table but once he realized it was a serious opportunity cost he distanced himself from me and it was only at that point that he started trying to gaslight me. Before then he was open about the black pill, and I even told him straight up early on a lot of people simply didn't like me for being ugly and he acknowledged it and basically said he was above that. I had no reason to think otherwise since he was cool with me being an incel for a couple months until a sort of critical mass of people he associated with regularly criticized him for associating with me. He didn't sadistically get anything out of it when he started distancing himself from me either, if anything it was more of a machiavellian but also cowardly move where it was almost like he had to try to gaslight me to convince himself that he hadn't done me dirty

I've had instances where people who never offered me anything IE people who were always bullies have obviously tried to provoke me, and it's a different flavor. I wouldn't really even call instances like this gaslighting, it's more like bullies thinking they're slick by being slightly less than explicitly lookist

 

[Pikacel]

I used to think this but Not so much anymore

The reason I posted this thread was because of this normie guy from college

he Was a couple years older than me and befriended me and kinda "took me under his wing" for a couple months until he realized that it was too much of a failo to associate with me

He put his own time and energy on the table but once he realized it was a serious opportunity cost he distanced himself from me and it was only at that point that he started trying to gaslight me. Before then he was open about the black pill, and I even told him straight up early on a lot of people simply didn't like me for being ugly and he acknowledged it and basically said he was above that. I had no reason to think otherwise since he was cool with me being an incel for a couple months until a sort of critical mass of people he associated with regularly criticized him for associating with me. He didn't sadistically get anything out of it when he started distancing himself from me either, if anything it was more of a machiavellian but also cowardly move where it was almost like he had to try to gaslight me to convince himself that he hadn't done me dirty

I've had instances where people who never offered me anything IE people who were always bullies have obviously tried to provoke me, and it's a different flavor. I wouldn't really even call instances like this gaslighting, it's more like bullies thinking they're slick by being slightly less than explicitly lookist

Brutal