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Would You Move To Incelistan
This is intended to start a discussion on what I'd imagine a real Incelistan (I call it the Liberated Male State) would look like. Included in the thread is a poll that I would like you guys to answer after reading through my idea. My version of Incelistan (a nation run by and for incels) would essentially be a male separatist state that is founded by the blackpilled incels, volcels and MGTOWs of the Western world. Overtime, this nation would include males from all over the world, with an increasing number coming from China, India, Africa and South America (areas of rapid industrialization leading to the inflation of female SMV leading to the create of incels).
For background and why I think such a place may be necessary/beneficial, please read my other thread:
incels.is
Founding Principles
The founding principles of the Liberated Male State (LMS) will include:
Initial Formation
In order to attract men to live in the LMS, we must first provide incentives. The above objectives are great, but they will not attract too many men, especially men who have established lives in the West and other nations, to move there. So we offer incentives, such as
As above, we can add more incentives as we develop the concept.
The LMS itself will be located in a large country with low population density. The benefits for the country that decides to host this nation will be a state with a large amount of educated and motivated men who will develop areas that are most likely to remain undeveloped if left alone. The LMS will pay 25% of its GDP to the host nation in exchange for protection against both western sanctions and military action. The LMS will have its own military service (Male Liberation Army), which is meshed in with the nation state's regular military. Other aspects of the state will be negotiated as a contract with the host nation. The idea here is that we create this state and interfere with the host country as little as possible. Russia would be the preferred, but there are others.
The initial goal for such a project should be at least 100k men, but we may be able to start with numbers as high as 1 million depending on how the negotiations with the host state go. My personal plan is for 250k men to offer $10k USD each minimum for citizenship. This will give them a small domicile and some land rented by to them by the LMS's state development agency. The more a man puts up as starting money, the bigger his domicile and land allotment will be (capped at $50k USD). Additional capital is stored in a bank in the form of development bonds.
If the project fails (defined by contract terms), the land that is granted as part of the contract to the LMS is reintegrated into the host nation. If it succeeds and meets its metrics, it will continue its development according to goals set by the LMS's internal administration with only the negotiated GDP amount being paid to the host nation. At a certain point, males who wish to join the LMS must also reside in the LMS for a certain number of years (10 at minimum). This will be waived for those who have contributed significant amounts of money or other capital to the LMS's central development fund.
Females in the Male State
As stated above, females will not be allowed to have permanent residence in the LMS. All the females inside the LMS will be under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Female Relations and Affairs. This office will have special enforcement and police powers independent of the LMS's Bureau of Central Security. They will instead be granted visas depending on what their role is. These are
General Prostitution visas
Prostitutes must abide by certain rules. They are subject to routine health inspections, subject to routine work inspections (checking license and visa paperwork), and are required to do a few hours of social service assignments per year for men who qualify for the aid through the state. Surrogates will also have restrictions, such as what they are allowed to consume while pregnant, where they are allowed to be, etc. There is no formal age of consent in the LMS, but inspections are performed to check for puberty and related developments for females under the age of 16 during the licensing process.
All of these ideas could be discussed further. I am sure there are plenty of rules that could be put on the various types of females.
Restrictions on Male Citizens
Very few restrictions, but there are some major ones that must be followed. if they aren't followed, they should be instantly expelled from the male state.
Economy
This post is starting to get way too long. The general idea is that the LMS will be founded in an underpopulated or, preferably, unpopulated area of the host nation. The will mean that for the first few years, the project will largely be funded by outside capital. Ports and infrastructure will need to be built from scratch, and this will require an initial workforce of a few thousand, largely performing manual labor. Extraction of natural resources, medical and government services, and software development will be the first major industries, followed by things like manufacturing and other more advanced industries. I'm not a specialist in this, so I will keep this section brief.
I would like there to be a particular focus on worker owned industries. While I am not a Marxist, I do think that allowing international and even domestic capitalists to owning almost everything will gravely undermine the LMS and will lead to the selling out of its core principles in pursuit of profit.
Please share your opinions of my little larp/daydream. I've made a similar thread along time ago, but it seems to have gotten nuked when the site migrated.
TL;DR
Motherfucker I spent 20 minutes typing this post up, 10 of which was editing for readability. You will read it.
Would You Move To Incelistan
This is intended to start a discussion on what I'd imagine a real Incelistan (I call it the Liberated Male State) would look like. Included in the thread is a poll that I would like you guys to answer after reading through my idea. My version of Incelistan (a nation run by and for incels) would essentially be a male separatist state that is founded by the blackpilled incels, volcels and MGTOWs of the Western world. Overtime, this nation would include males from all over the world, with an increasing number coming from China, India, Africa and South America (areas of rapid industrialization leading to the inflation of female SMV leading to the create of incels).
For background and why I think such a place may be necessary/beneficial, please read my other thread:
Male Separatism: The Final Conclusion of the Blackpill
I would like to begin this thread by prefacing that this post will be light on heavy academic concepts, as it is meant to begin a general discussion related to an idea which I believe is fundamentally important to the blackpill. Male separatism is the idea that males must form their own...
incels.is
Founding Principles
The founding principles of the Liberated Male State (LMS) will include:
- Guaranteed access to reproduction via artificial wombs or surrogates so long as the male meets the requirements created by the Breeding and Sustainability Committee. All babies born must be male.
- Guaranteed access to sex from prostitutes and eventually sexbots.
- Unlimited development of copes. A large portion of this will be accomplished by what I would term the M.H.I.C. (Male Heavy Industrial Conglomerate), a partially state owned and worker owned alliance of companies, cooperatives, syndicates, and business operating under an umbrella company.
- No permanent residency or citizenship for females. Many parts of Incelistan will be male only, with females only allowed in certain areas. Females will also require special visas to get in. General tourist visa and residency visas will be very difficult for them to get.
- The blackpill will be state sanctioned and enforced at all times. Bluepilled ideas being spread without evidence will lead to execution.
- Mutual cooperation amongst males for the betterment of both the civilization and humanity at large.
- ABSOLUTELY NO FEMALES without prior authorization. Unless a man wants them there, they don't get in.
Initial Formation
In order to attract men to live in the LMS, we must first provide incentives. The above objectives are great, but they will not attract too many men, especially men who have established lives in the West and other nations, to move there. So we offer incentives, such as
- Deferred taxes in exchange for residency.
- Non-extradition for child support/alimony and other violations of gynocentric law (especially from the west).
- Legal and high quality prostitution with subsidies for those who qualify.
- Excellent remote work opportunities with assistance for bypassing sanctions and other rules that may prohibit employees from working for certain employers.
- Free land for development for individuals and groups who want to contribute to the LMS.
- Subsidized surrogacy and artificial womb usage for those who qualify.
- Socialized childcare and healthcare.
- Strong worker protections while maintaining an environment friendly for small and medium sized business. Heavy promotion of worker owned industries and conglomerates.
- No interests on loans. Usury is banned. Rent, while allowed, may only be performed by individuals (not private companies) and private property rights of landowners are respected. Companies may not buy and then sit (speculate) on undeveloped land. If a company wants to own land, it must improve the land.
- Privately owned weapons (with the exception of large explosives and NBC weapons) are guaranteed. In the LMS, you will be able to own a rocket launcher, as an example.
As above, we can add more incentives as we develop the concept.
The LMS itself will be located in a large country with low population density. The benefits for the country that decides to host this nation will be a state with a large amount of educated and motivated men who will develop areas that are most likely to remain undeveloped if left alone. The LMS will pay 25% of its GDP to the host nation in exchange for protection against both western sanctions and military action. The LMS will have its own military service (Male Liberation Army), which is meshed in with the nation state's regular military. Other aspects of the state will be negotiated as a contract with the host nation. The idea here is that we create this state and interfere with the host country as little as possible. Russia would be the preferred, but there are others.
The initial goal for such a project should be at least 100k men, but we may be able to start with numbers as high as 1 million depending on how the negotiations with the host state go. My personal plan is for 250k men to offer $10k USD each minimum for citizenship. This will give them a small domicile and some land rented by to them by the LMS's state development agency. The more a man puts up as starting money, the bigger his domicile and land allotment will be (capped at $50k USD). Additional capital is stored in a bank in the form of development bonds.
If the project fails (defined by contract terms), the land that is granted as part of the contract to the LMS is reintegrated into the host nation. If it succeeds and meets its metrics, it will continue its development according to goals set by the LMS's internal administration with only the negotiated GDP amount being paid to the host nation. At a certain point, males who wish to join the LMS must also reside in the LMS for a certain number of years (10 at minimum). This will be waived for those who have contributed significant amounts of money or other capital to the LMS's central development fund.
Females in the Male State
As stated above, females will not be allowed to have permanent residence in the LMS. All the females inside the LMS will be under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Female Relations and Affairs. This office will have special enforcement and police powers independent of the LMS's Bureau of Central Security. They will instead be granted visas depending on what their role is. These are
General Prostitution visas
- Temporary visa that expires every two years. The female receives a special license for solo prostitution independent of a brothel or sponsor.
- Cannot be renewed after 8 years of initial issue
- Cannot be concurrently held with any other type of visa
- Temporary visa that expires every 4 years. Surrogacy license.
- Cannot be renewed after 20 years of initial issue
- Cannot engage in selling of physical sexual intercourse
- Cannot be allowed to leave the male state during pregnancy (must remain under supervision of the surrogacy clinic)
- Cannot engage in any commercial activities without the required visas
- Visas granted to blood relation sisters expire in 6 months. Cannot be renewed and can only be issured once every 4 years.
- Visas granted to mothers of citizens (doesn't not apply to gestational surrogates or egg donors) expire in 9 months and can only be issued once every 4 years.
- Visas granted to adult daughters (of MGTOWs and such) expire in 12 months. Cannot be renewed and can only be reissued once every 4 years.
- My personal recommendation to men want to visit family members for longer periods is to go to their home nation.
- For foreign businesswomen and other foreign female support staff.
- Length to not exceed 1 year but can be renewed for up to 20 years with approval from BFRA.
- Requires cooperate or state sponsorship.
- Valid for 2 months with no renewal.
- No commercial activity allowed.
- Brothel based visas allow prostitutes to practice in a brothel or pimp setting. They are considered property of the brothel/pimp and only allowed to dwell inside a registered brothel. They are not allowed to be independent. This visa exists because many large areas of the male state consist of male only areas where females will not be allowed in public. This means that there will be certain building in these areas that house the whores and keep them out of public sight. Mostly applies to rural areas.
- Brothel visas have the same time restrictions as the general prostitution visa
- Special short term visas allow very short term visits for women selling sexual services or egg donros. Used for traveling foreign prostitutes and pornstars. Also used for those selling/donating their eggs to an egg bank. Expiration time is usually a month or less unless extended under special circumstances.
Prostitutes must abide by certain rules. They are subject to routine health inspections, subject to routine work inspections (checking license and visa paperwork), and are required to do a few hours of social service assignments per year for men who qualify for the aid through the state. Surrogates will also have restrictions, such as what they are allowed to consume while pregnant, where they are allowed to be, etc. There is no formal age of consent in the LMS, but inspections are performed to check for puberty and related developments for females under the age of 16 during the licensing process.
All of these ideas could be discussed further. I am sure there are plenty of rules that could be put on the various types of females.
Restrictions on Male Citizens
Very few restrictions, but there are some major ones that must be followed. if they aren't followed, they should be instantly expelled from the male state.
- No marriage or other permanent romantic relationships with women. No girlfriends, no sugar babies, etc. Romantic relationships with women are not allowed since they contradict the mission of the LMS. If you want to have romantic relationships with females, do so in another nation. Punishment is permanent expulsion.
- Illegal smuggling of females is punishable by death.
- Faggotry is banned. Go be a fag somewhere else.
- Trannies are banned. Go rope.
- No feminist or sex integrationist political ideas. They may be discussed academically but may not be spread in public. Punishable by death potentially in extreme cases
- Pedophilia (sexual attraction to minors before puberty) is banned. Pedos get the rope. Note that sexbots that look like female minors may be allowed. I'll let democracy handle this.
- NEETs will not be allowed into the LMS at first. This is to prevent a giant amount of men burdening the social safety net during the most vulnerable time. Every man must work at least 24 hours a week OR have a weekly income that keeps them above the poverty line. As the male state advances, NEETs may be allowed in under hardship status. They will be expected to contribute to society at some point however.
- As touched on above, at some point a residency requirement will be implemented requiring all new LMS applicants to live in the state for at least 15 years. This will force these men to have a stake in the outcome of the project.
- Minimum IQ of 105 required along with a psychological exam. No retards or psychotics allowed. This will prevent a large amount of issues. Those who are born in the LMS that don't meet the threshold for IQ are expelled.
Economy
This post is starting to get way too long. The general idea is that the LMS will be founded in an underpopulated or, preferably, unpopulated area of the host nation. The will mean that for the first few years, the project will largely be funded by outside capital. Ports and infrastructure will need to be built from scratch, and this will require an initial workforce of a few thousand, largely performing manual labor. Extraction of natural resources, medical and government services, and software development will be the first major industries, followed by things like manufacturing and other more advanced industries. I'm not a specialist in this, so I will keep this section brief.
I would like there to be a particular focus on worker owned industries. While I am not a Marxist, I do think that allowing international and even domestic capitalists to owning almost everything will gravely undermine the LMS and will lead to the selling out of its core principles in pursuit of profit.
Please share your opinions of my little larp/daydream. I've made a similar thread along time ago, but it seems to have gotten nuked when the site migrated.
TL;DR
Motherfucker I spent 20 minutes typing this post up, 10 of which was editing for readability. You will read it.
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