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I would like to begin this thread by prefacing that this post will be light on heavy academic concepts, as it is meant to begin a general discussion related to an idea which I believe is fundamentally important to the blackpill. Male separatism is the idea that males must form their own societies and separate from females. While this sounds like MGTOW (and its largely irrelevant to this discussion whether it is or isn't), it is the actual final conclusion of the blackpill in my opinion. To understand this post in its entirety, one must be sufficiently blackpilled, as I will not explain commonly understood blackpill/redpill concepts like SMV or hypergamy. I will also try to stay away from discussing tech as much as possible, as I feel that is not the point of this thread. Also going to @your personality
Background
Females are our evolutionary counterparts. They have existed with us since the beginning of our species, and arguably since the early beginnings of sexual reproduction 1.5 billion years ago. Without digressing into why or how sexual reproduction came into being, the fundamental problem we are facing is actually not new but very, very old. Since the rise of complex multicellular life, females and males have had two very different biological imperatives. Both want to reproduce, and both need each other to reproduce. But one must bear the brunt of egg and child production, which of course fell on our female counterparts, at least in our taxonomic class Mammalia. In essence, they have different evolutionary purposes, which means they have different evolutionary goals then we do. While ours (males) is, broadly, to produce as many offspring as possible, theirs is to ensure the offspring is the best organism possible. This means they must choose which males reproduce and which ones don't. This is of course a gross generalization of the concepts of both evolution and sexual selection, but it works for our purposes. We can begin to see females as an evolutionary filter of some sorts, keeping genetically disadvantageous traits from reproducing, and males as more of the experimental side of the evolutionary game, trying new traits and strategies to see which ones survive. Understanding this, we can move to the next area of discussion, a brief history of sexual relations in our species and monogamy and why it came into being.
Many anthropologists study extant hunter gatherer groups, in an attempt to understand early human sexual behavior. In many of the hunter gatherer groups alive today, their is far less division of labor between the sexes like more technologically advanced groups. Females have far more control of social dynamics in these tribes as a result, and may be viewed as more "equitable" than modern societies. Feminists of course would say this arrangement is more equitable and should be used a model to follow. However, as a result of this "equality", male sexual success isn't nearly as assured as it is in societies that are more advanced because their worth is based off of things other than their ability to provide, since females share labor tasks. As a result, fewer males reproduce, and female sexual selection is more influential. My personal belief is that these hunter gatherer groups weren't able to compete with more patriarchal groups that came to dominate the world several thousand years ago precisely because females did not place emphasis on mate selection via economic means. A male's economic worth, which was amplified when the agricultural revolution began several thousand years ago, was the greatest determiner of sexual success in our societies in the past. Agriculture, along with many other technologies, were developed precisely because females were dependent on male resources, and males were forced to think of new ways to acquire resources if they wanted to reproduce. So here we see the origin of betabuxxing, or obtaining sex and reproduction through exchange of goods. This idea slowly lead to monogamy, as males didn't want to risk using their increasingly difficult and sophisticated labor to raise another man's children, and more advanced societies took shape. Males are afraid of getting cucked. It is the worst possible thing that can happen to us. The first cities and towns were based off of agriculture and iron tool making, both of which likely wouldn't have occurred if males were to sexually compete on non economic methods alone. Monogamy is and was the basis of all advanced societies. This was the arrangement for many centuries until the arrival of a new technological concept, industry.
Much like how the agricultural revolution shaped society before it, the industrial revolution and the closely related scientific revolution that preceded it by 100-150 years or so, began to impact our evolutionary development. We began to rely less and less on male labor as machines began to assist us in basic tasks. Things like firearms, which weren't new but could now be easily produced, began to even the playing field between smaller, more technologically advanced groups and those who didn't possess said tech. Said firearms would allow small groups of Europeans to colonize virtually the entire world, just to give an example of the evolutionary advantage technology bestows upon those who develop and wield it. On other fronts, machines were starting to automate production of important complex items. Things that would take blacksmiths several months to compete in 1200 could be done in hours in a factory in 1800. This speed up in human behavior would soon spread to other areas, and we began to replace the horse as our primary method of transit in the early 1900s. Where as the agricultural revolution took several thousand years, the industrial revolution took 350 or so from start to finish. This was faster than human social structures, which were built around agriculture nearly 5000 years ago, could cope and react to. This lead to many of the dysfunctions we see today, including the current dysfunction between the sexes. But it gets far worse.
The digital revolution, which occurred in the 70s, is the latest iteration of the industrial revolution, and brought with it instant communication. With instant communication was soon followed by instant gratification and instant stimulation. Social media can be likened to a massive decentralized consciousness, and its participants increasingly being forced to behave in accordance with its views. Humans are still sexually stuck in 20,000 BC. Our sexual behaviors are largely left over from that era. This is especially true of females, who didn't face the mass culling of males we saw during the agricultural revolution. Their wants and needs in a partner hasn't really changed all that much. Where as men gradually began to prefer loyalty and fidelity in the post agricultural era (less chance of getting cucked), females simply wanted the best genes possible. As long as she and her offspring are fed and sheltered, she doesn't really care. She'll gladly be part of a large harem of one powerful male if it means she is taken care of, or she'll gladly use her own labor for the job. Enter the welfare state, which is essentially a collection of taxpayers paying into a pot for others to take money from. Most taxpayers historically have been males, and most men in society today are net taxpayers, which means they give more than they take from that pot. The biggest takers of the money in that pot are women, particularly single mothers and their children. Women are net tax takers, and they are responsible both politically and socially for the massive welfare state we see today. In addition, females have taken advantage of the various technologies released over the past 80 years to slowly liberate themselves from needing male derived capital to survive. This increase of females in the labor pool hits males twice; once via the immediate effect of not needing to marry for financial reasons, and two by halving the value of his labor, thus making him even less able to provide for a family on his own. Two income families are now standard fare in the US, with the majority of child socialization occurring in the (publicly funded) school system and via social and traditional media.
A combination of the welfare state and female employment has effectively removed the beta provider role as a pathway for males to have offspring via marriage. Females as a result began to choose the fathers of their children based on different criteria, most importantly looks. This is a massive change from the prevailing sexual order that began 5000+ years ago, and has lead to the phenomena known as incels, who are essentially surplus males that aren't needed in the new evolutionary and sexual paradigm. We have regressed back to pre-agricultural sexual relations and behavior.
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The Need for Male Separatism
We can start by examining our situation. We are surplus males. What does this actually mean? This means that we are evolutionary byproducts. Our existence is to serve as fodder and padding for society's tax and war needs. We will, most likely, not reproduce and will instead have our labor harvested to contribute to those that do (females and high SMV males). We have no genetic future on the current evolutionary path. What are we to do about this?
The first solution, the traditionalist solution, is to return back to the period prior to the current sexual paradigm. That is, we bring back patriarchy and bring back male betabuxxing as a valid strategy. This is commonly expressed by religion copers or men who are redpilled, but not truly blackpilled. They fail to understand why feminism even exists as a concept and how technology has shaped our sexual relations over time. The blackpilled definition of feminism is one where gynocracy is allowed to rule totally unchallenged by males. Gynocracy is the observation that society has and, will almost always cater to, females due to their evolutionary position of producing children. Essentially, feminism is the political arm of female evolutionary goals. Feminists weren't fighting for women's rights, they were fighting for women's ability to use male resources and protection while sexually depriving many males of sexual, reproductive and romantic favors. Look at a common demand that women have for free universal daycare. What really is this? If we understand that the pubic school system is nothing more than a daycare for working parents to keep their kids at, universal daycare and kindergarten could be understood as a way for women to further use male tax resources to pay for their sexual behavior and choices. Chad has a kid with a foid, but said foid can't support the child on her own. What does she do? She votes for somebody that will give her free child care via the welfare state. This is why many feminists are such virulent economic leftists. In order to satisfy their evolutionary goals, they need male resources. So they force the state apparatus to take them from surplus males.
Technology, particularly the development of sophisticated and highly complex communications devices, means that females will always have access to a chad if they want to fuck. He is just a 30 minute drive away if she lives in a major city. She doesn't need to date anymore unless she just prefers that arrangement. Many here have read stories of foids being glued to their phones on dates. That is exactly what I'm talking about. She dates because she wants a free dinner or a new purse. She has no other use for a lower tier male. Marriage and LTRs are similar. She doesn't need you so she has no reason to remain faithful. She understands that she has the sexual and social power now, so she will open your relationship and cheat. Because she can and she knows she is really your only choice. You don't think women know how hard it is to be a male trying to date in 2020? They laugh about it! She will capitalize on male loneliness via Onlyfans, so she'll get her simpbux there and use it for whatever she wants. So no, as long as we have the internet and cars, she will fuck chad, and make you, in one way or another, pay for it.
The second solution is more radical. We must separate from foids and gynocentric society. Their evolutionary goals will always be in conflict with ours. In our new society, the only women there will be there purely for business needs like prostitution and surrogacy. There will be no foid parasitism off of our taxes and labor because there are no foids there. There will be no feminism because there are no females! No females means we won't have to deal with their opinions when developing copes or structuring our institutions. We will leverage technology as best we can to liberate ourselves from evolutionary stagnation and regression. Child birth will be provided by surrogates, removing harmful maternal influences (which I personally believe are the root of gynocentrism) and the sons will be raised by either single fathers or a community of men. Sexual access will be supplied via registered prostitutes, which will gradually help demystify sex and provide an outlet for the males who live there.
As technology improves, artificial wombs and eggs will be phased in, and sexbots/AI gfs will take the romantic and sexual roles that women currently fill. In this new evolutionary model, males born in that environment will not experience the sexual competition that we did while we were growing up in our old societies under the old sexual framework. Rather, they would be free to pursue other tasks and do these things with a sense of purpose that many of us don't possess due to the understanding of our situation. It is an overall improvement for male quality of life.
tl;dr
Female evolutionary goals are against ours.
Hypergamy and other negative female characteristics have been problems since before we were humans.
Modern technology has rendered social and sexual relationships designed during the agricultural revolution obsolete.
Traditionalism fails to account for said technological progress and still foolishly sees betabuxxing as the solution.
Females do not care about male suffering nor our sexual and romantic needs, and our needs aren't cared about by society.
Gynocentric society has institutionalized cuckoldry via taxes and the welfare state.
We are evolutionary dead ends in this system, so if we wish to reproduce and have something resembling a family, we need to create a new system.
By separating ourselves from society, we are free to develop copes and eventually replace the outdated human female with something better. Males born under this system will never have to experience inceldom ever again.
Background
Females are our evolutionary counterparts. They have existed with us since the beginning of our species, and arguably since the early beginnings of sexual reproduction 1.5 billion years ago. Without digressing into why or how sexual reproduction came into being, the fundamental problem we are facing is actually not new but very, very old. Since the rise of complex multicellular life, females and males have had two very different biological imperatives. Both want to reproduce, and both need each other to reproduce. But one must bear the brunt of egg and child production, which of course fell on our female counterparts, at least in our taxonomic class Mammalia. In essence, they have different evolutionary purposes, which means they have different evolutionary goals then we do. While ours (males) is, broadly, to produce as many offspring as possible, theirs is to ensure the offspring is the best organism possible. This means they must choose which males reproduce and which ones don't. This is of course a gross generalization of the concepts of both evolution and sexual selection, but it works for our purposes. We can begin to see females as an evolutionary filter of some sorts, keeping genetically disadvantageous traits from reproducing, and males as more of the experimental side of the evolutionary game, trying new traits and strategies to see which ones survive. Understanding this, we can move to the next area of discussion, a brief history of sexual relations in our species and monogamy and why it came into being.
Many anthropologists study extant hunter gatherer groups, in an attempt to understand early human sexual behavior. In many of the hunter gatherer groups alive today, their is far less division of labor between the sexes like more technologically advanced groups. Females have far more control of social dynamics in these tribes as a result, and may be viewed as more "equitable" than modern societies. Feminists of course would say this arrangement is more equitable and should be used a model to follow. However, as a result of this "equality", male sexual success isn't nearly as assured as it is in societies that are more advanced because their worth is based off of things other than their ability to provide, since females share labor tasks. As a result, fewer males reproduce, and female sexual selection is more influential. My personal belief is that these hunter gatherer groups weren't able to compete with more patriarchal groups that came to dominate the world several thousand years ago precisely because females did not place emphasis on mate selection via economic means. A male's economic worth, which was amplified when the agricultural revolution began several thousand years ago, was the greatest determiner of sexual success in our societies in the past. Agriculture, along with many other technologies, were developed precisely because females were dependent on male resources, and males were forced to think of new ways to acquire resources if they wanted to reproduce. So here we see the origin of betabuxxing, or obtaining sex and reproduction through exchange of goods. This idea slowly lead to monogamy, as males didn't want to risk using their increasingly difficult and sophisticated labor to raise another man's children, and more advanced societies took shape. Males are afraid of getting cucked. It is the worst possible thing that can happen to us. The first cities and towns were based off of agriculture and iron tool making, both of which likely wouldn't have occurred if males were to sexually compete on non economic methods alone. Monogamy is and was the basis of all advanced societies. This was the arrangement for many centuries until the arrival of a new technological concept, industry.
Much like how the agricultural revolution shaped society before it, the industrial revolution and the closely related scientific revolution that preceded it by 100-150 years or so, began to impact our evolutionary development. We began to rely less and less on male labor as machines began to assist us in basic tasks. Things like firearms, which weren't new but could now be easily produced, began to even the playing field between smaller, more technologically advanced groups and those who didn't possess said tech. Said firearms would allow small groups of Europeans to colonize virtually the entire world, just to give an example of the evolutionary advantage technology bestows upon those who develop and wield it. On other fronts, machines were starting to automate production of important complex items. Things that would take blacksmiths several months to compete in 1200 could be done in hours in a factory in 1800. This speed up in human behavior would soon spread to other areas, and we began to replace the horse as our primary method of transit in the early 1900s. Where as the agricultural revolution took several thousand years, the industrial revolution took 350 or so from start to finish. This was faster than human social structures, which were built around agriculture nearly 5000 years ago, could cope and react to. This lead to many of the dysfunctions we see today, including the current dysfunction between the sexes. But it gets far worse.
The digital revolution, which occurred in the 70s, is the latest iteration of the industrial revolution, and brought with it instant communication. With instant communication was soon followed by instant gratification and instant stimulation. Social media can be likened to a massive decentralized consciousness, and its participants increasingly being forced to behave in accordance with its views. Humans are still sexually stuck in 20,000 BC. Our sexual behaviors are largely left over from that era. This is especially true of females, who didn't face the mass culling of males we saw during the agricultural revolution. Their wants and needs in a partner hasn't really changed all that much. Where as men gradually began to prefer loyalty and fidelity in the post agricultural era (less chance of getting cucked), females simply wanted the best genes possible. As long as she and her offspring are fed and sheltered, she doesn't really care. She'll gladly be part of a large harem of one powerful male if it means she is taken care of, or she'll gladly use her own labor for the job. Enter the welfare state, which is essentially a collection of taxpayers paying into a pot for others to take money from. Most taxpayers historically have been males, and most men in society today are net taxpayers, which means they give more than they take from that pot. The biggest takers of the money in that pot are women, particularly single mothers and their children. Women are net tax takers, and they are responsible both politically and socially for the massive welfare state we see today. In addition, females have taken advantage of the various technologies released over the past 80 years to slowly liberate themselves from needing male derived capital to survive. This increase of females in the labor pool hits males twice; once via the immediate effect of not needing to marry for financial reasons, and two by halving the value of his labor, thus making him even less able to provide for a family on his own. Two income families are now standard fare in the US, with the majority of child socialization occurring in the (publicly funded) school system and via social and traditional media.
A combination of the welfare state and female employment has effectively removed the beta provider role as a pathway for males to have offspring via marriage. Females as a result began to choose the fathers of their children based on different criteria, most importantly looks. This is a massive change from the prevailing sexual order that began 5000+ years ago, and has lead to the phenomena known as incels, who are essentially surplus males that aren't needed in the new evolutionary and sexual paradigm. We have regressed back to pre-agricultural sexual relations and behavior.
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The Need for Male Separatism
We can start by examining our situation. We are surplus males. What does this actually mean? This means that we are evolutionary byproducts. Our existence is to serve as fodder and padding for society's tax and war needs. We will, most likely, not reproduce and will instead have our labor harvested to contribute to those that do (females and high SMV males). We have no genetic future on the current evolutionary path. What are we to do about this?
The first solution, the traditionalist solution, is to return back to the period prior to the current sexual paradigm. That is, we bring back patriarchy and bring back male betabuxxing as a valid strategy. This is commonly expressed by religion copers or men who are redpilled, but not truly blackpilled. They fail to understand why feminism even exists as a concept and how technology has shaped our sexual relations over time. The blackpilled definition of feminism is one where gynocracy is allowed to rule totally unchallenged by males. Gynocracy is the observation that society has and, will almost always cater to, females due to their evolutionary position of producing children. Essentially, feminism is the political arm of female evolutionary goals. Feminists weren't fighting for women's rights, they were fighting for women's ability to use male resources and protection while sexually depriving many males of sexual, reproductive and romantic favors. Look at a common demand that women have for free universal daycare. What really is this? If we understand that the pubic school system is nothing more than a daycare for working parents to keep their kids at, universal daycare and kindergarten could be understood as a way for women to further use male tax resources to pay for their sexual behavior and choices. Chad has a kid with a foid, but said foid can't support the child on her own. What does she do? She votes for somebody that will give her free child care via the welfare state. This is why many feminists are such virulent economic leftists. In order to satisfy their evolutionary goals, they need male resources. So they force the state apparatus to take them from surplus males.
Technology, particularly the development of sophisticated and highly complex communications devices, means that females will always have access to a chad if they want to fuck. He is just a 30 minute drive away if she lives in a major city. She doesn't need to date anymore unless she just prefers that arrangement. Many here have read stories of foids being glued to their phones on dates. That is exactly what I'm talking about. She dates because she wants a free dinner or a new purse. She has no other use for a lower tier male. Marriage and LTRs are similar. She doesn't need you so she has no reason to remain faithful. She understands that she has the sexual and social power now, so she will open your relationship and cheat. Because she can and she knows she is really your only choice. You don't think women know how hard it is to be a male trying to date in 2020? They laugh about it! She will capitalize on male loneliness via Onlyfans, so she'll get her simpbux there and use it for whatever she wants. So no, as long as we have the internet and cars, she will fuck chad, and make you, in one way or another, pay for it.
The second solution is more radical. We must separate from foids and gynocentric society. Their evolutionary goals will always be in conflict with ours. In our new society, the only women there will be there purely for business needs like prostitution and surrogacy. There will be no foid parasitism off of our taxes and labor because there are no foids there. There will be no feminism because there are no females! No females means we won't have to deal with their opinions when developing copes or structuring our institutions. We will leverage technology as best we can to liberate ourselves from evolutionary stagnation and regression. Child birth will be provided by surrogates, removing harmful maternal influences (which I personally believe are the root of gynocentrism) and the sons will be raised by either single fathers or a community of men. Sexual access will be supplied via registered prostitutes, which will gradually help demystify sex and provide an outlet for the males who live there.
As technology improves, artificial wombs and eggs will be phased in, and sexbots/AI gfs will take the romantic and sexual roles that women currently fill. In this new evolutionary model, males born in that environment will not experience the sexual competition that we did while we were growing up in our old societies under the old sexual framework. Rather, they would be free to pursue other tasks and do these things with a sense of purpose that many of us don't possess due to the understanding of our situation. It is an overall improvement for male quality of life.
tl;dr
Female evolutionary goals are against ours.
Hypergamy and other negative female characteristics have been problems since before we were humans.
Modern technology has rendered social and sexual relationships designed during the agricultural revolution obsolete.
Traditionalism fails to account for said technological progress and still foolishly sees betabuxxing as the solution.
Females do not care about male suffering nor our sexual and romantic needs, and our needs aren't cared about by society.
Gynocentric society has institutionalized cuckoldry via taxes and the welfare state.
We are evolutionary dead ends in this system, so if we wish to reproduce and have something resembling a family, we need to create a new system.
By separating ourselves from society, we are free to develop copes and eventually replace the outdated human female with something better. Males born under this system will never have to experience inceldom ever again.
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