Hypocrisy Why incels are the biggest feminists. [super triggering]

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

What you guys are basically doing is the equivalence of when a foid says that any racist misogynistic man is an INCEL.

A feminist is someone who is pro women, someone who wants equal or more rights than the opposite gender etc.

Why would any of us want that?

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you are absolutely pro women since they are your locus of control and raison detre. stop coping

 

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

I liked it personally, I don't know what more to say about it than that. Again, to each their own.
It made me laugh.

And that's what matters in this kind of post. To humour on our own sad existential position.
LIke even the fact he blocked me right after being called iqlet is a feminine trait. every low testosterone behaviour, is serving the feminist agenda. and incels are brimming with such behaviours.

 

[GeckoBus]

He is not a "shittok fag". He is a truecel oldcel who seems to have experience in the few good redpill spaces that once existed, but are now long gone, or that is my impression at least (@FoidsEnshittifyAll correct me if I'm wrong). Those few redpill, MGTOW and MRA spaces are what the actual precursor to the intellectual side of the modern blackpill is, even though many users here who were users of sites like PUAHate like to downplay or deny that (@GeckoBus do you agree?). Modern blackpillers need to learn to be less emotional and actually foster genuine intellectual curiosity and honesty within themselves. Having a little humour and humility wouldn't hurt either.

I agree actually. If a man can put aside his anti-male bias that leads to constant in-fighting and go back and actually dig into history of men's movements, you realize nothing has changed and these guys weren't dumber than us. They just lacked data. A lot of their shit was written before dating apps existed, so from most mens perspective, chad literally didnt exist as such. Older groups primarily focused on relationships and marriage because that's all they knew. Yet, they still provided valuable insight. Now, some of them actually DID know about chad and the like of course, I have shown examples of that, guys down to the 1950s complaining about that one buddy who fucks a different girl per week etc.

But you can only realize how many times men have tried to organize and failed, and why they fail, if you put your biases aside and humble yourself, as you said. I will give some examples of old content that is similiar to .is content now:

This is an ancient website which is openly anti-female.

Woman - The Compilation

Another example of chad being discovered, this is from old jewish incel underground comic book artist robert crumb. Crumb only got access to pussy once he became famous and throughout his comics, he keeps complaining about being sub5 looser who just wants to fuck big chubby girls while chad cucks him. Examples:

We can go back 1000's of years and men describe exactly the same female behaviors. I have gone over that shit dozens on of times on this forum, so I won't spam examples again. The reason why men can not realize that:

a) nothing ever changes, human nature and gender relations have not changed for all of history
b) all men's groups do is to rediscover the wheel over and over every generation

It is ironically precisely because of the very biases that destroy them in the first place, aka gynocentrism, that men can not realize this. Men hate other men and worship women. And women hate men. This makes it impossible for men to form coherent in-groups because, number one, men attack each others in-groups and never compare data or progress to any stable point, instead they just are stuck in permanent tribal infighting, and number two, because society and women actively prevent men from forming groups and realizing that human nature works like this. Just look at how they are going after male spaces, the existence of this forum was directly caused by reddit destroying the growing BP movements on there.

This has happened before in history. I mentioned the "jacobean anti-feminist controversy" before - a similiar motion happened in the early 1600s, spurred by books like "the arraingment of lewd women" by josef swetnam, who was a sort of andrew tate character of the time. They mocked him and made a play where he is made fun off. And 300 years before that you had the romance of the rose controversy where the same thing happened. I have written about this over and over on this forum, if you want to find my posts just search for it.

A guy wrote a book dropping some relatable BP's on female nature. A shitstorm ensued, women started writing hate mail about the guy and got government on their side to shit on him. It keeps happening over and over and nobody learns. Civilization can not function without male exploitation and worship of women. Worship of women powers male status seeking. Male status seeking powers war, innovation, the economy. Men seeking status to gain female validatoin = male on male infighting.

The conflict between "shittok fags" vs redpill men vs mgtow men vs [insert male group here] is literally just that, it's trying to gain status over other men to get pussy. It's like screaming, no no they dont know how to please women, but we do, so they are inferior. It's still women worship. This entire fucking forum is based on men obessing over women.
And society needs us to worship women, on societies terms.

That's why they are ok with OnlyFans, because women financially benefit from it, unlike with free porn, which they are gradually outlawing. Men giving women money through OF = same wealth transfer as with marriage in past. Women committ 80% of customer spending and also incentize male spending. Absent basic necessities, almost all spending in society is incentivized by women. Men produce to gain status and female validation. They then give that surplus they generate to women in a massive wealth transfer motion, and women then spend it on dumb shit, which keeps the economy going.

Going back to benefits of reading old MRA or MGTOW content - like with this site, most users that were part of these communities contributed basically zero overall, aside from the occasstional relatable experience. However, some users always massively over-contribute. I will now give an example of some old shit that was popular back then.

NO MA'AM

no-maam.blogspot.com

The Masculine Principle

masculineprinciple.blogspot.com

It was on these blogs that I first found the "in-group" bias study I put in my "masculinity is a social construct" thread. He figured this out decades ago. I only took his finding and then expanded on it, thought about what the implications are and so on. Again, 1. you need to read or at least skim large swathes of these blogs to find this shit. 2. you need to be completely uncritical. No shit they will write things you disagree with, just absorb it all and reflect on it.
Just a quote I randomly found on there, in old blog post from 2015:

There is no point in arguing and trying to convince women to see the light. That door was closed decades ago. Essentially, women "are" society, and what their wants are is what society's wants are. What women find disagreeable, society finds disagreeable. They are "the herd" and males either serve their purposes or they are ejected from it.

The Want of Men Was Their Ruin

If men really were as misogynist as women claim , none of this would have ever happened. We would've just put t...

masculineprinciple.blogspot.com

This is from decades ago, decades:

MRAs have been attacking each other since the 1970s. That is nothing new. I've lost track of the number of men's groups, lists, and boards that I have been part of - I know that it is well over 100 - and it is very rare that they grow over about 50 active members before they start tearing themselves apart with internal conflict. We've just had an example of it here with the sudden introduction of the "incel" concept which in short order led to a suggestion to split the board.

Zenpriest #58 - The MRM's Perpetual War With Itself

QUOTE: "Actually, the whole black MRA thing on youtube is at war right now." The whole MRA-etc. thing is at war right now - not just the b...

no-maam.blogspot.com

So you are seeing the birth of the "incel" idea and it basically comes in like a nomadic tribal force and slowly displaces the boomers of the old guard, but because of male-on-male in-group hate, the barbarians coming in do not give a fuck about the culture they are invading. They just ravage everything, say oh fuck these old boomers, they were retarded, haha and learn nothing.

This page for search term "mgtow" should be read in full. Its ancient shit but 1:1 same shit as today. It talks about how men refuse to openly attack women, how most of these mens groups are just forms of begging women to love men and so on. Let who is capable of receiving this message receive it.

Nothing ever changes, human nature has not changed. It's not feminism. It's not "modernity," or some other shit. It is people and how they are. Now, if you are christian you may identify this behavior as broken and a result of the fall. The alternative position is to see it as normal and simply the way this reality works. I dont know what your worldview is, but these are your options. Read read read this shit over and over, get it in your head, read these blogs from 20 years ago and see yourself and every man and woman you know in them. That's it.

 

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

I agree

Nothing ever changes, human nature has not changed. It's not feminism. It's not "modernity," or some other shit. It is people and how they are. Now, if you are christian you may identify this behavior as broken and a result of the fall. The alternative position is to see it as normal and simply the way this reality works. I dont know what your worldview is, but these are your options. Read read read this shit over and over, get it in your head, read these blogs from 20 years ago and see yourself and every man and woman you know in them. That's it.

bingo. its just human nature. its not feminism. there are no antifeminist men. men have to simp and bluepill maxx to coexist with foids while maintaining their sanity.

 

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

only small disagreement i have is nothing ever changes. everything flows and changes constantly. what makes us tick as humans mostly based on same principles though.

 

[Ricecel Sungnodius]

Based post. Some here are too afraid to accept the post.

 

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

Based post. Some here are too afraid to accept the post.

sadly are friend. sadly are.

 

[GeckoBus]

And that's what matters in this kind of post. To humour on our own sad existential position.
LIke even the fact he blocked me right after being called iqlet is a feminine trait. every low testosterone behaviour, is serving the feminist agenda. and incels are brimming with such behaviours.

all of this shit, putting people on ignore, the constant bickering, insane focus on status, worshipping higher status people (women are by default higher status than men in eyes of society). Incels are not unique, they dont even hate women, they are obsessed with them. And the people that attack incels also always make everything about women, thus proving the blackpill while trying to debunk it. The entire debate, bluepill vs XYZ pill, academics vs incels, women vs men - its all just about who gets to monopolize foid worship. If incels had total control of society, they would just create giga female worship cult where women are protected class, just like now. Nobody hates women, nobody. To say they do is to imply people hate puppies, kittens, anime girls, children, because these are in the same group as women, protected elements.

I forgot to add this to my other post, this is from final chapter of the book "the empathy gap" by william collins where the author sums it up, after spending 100s of pages going through study after study on this shit:

21.17 In Conclusion​

The empirical evidence for an empathy gap against males, associated with a widespread gynocentric orientation, is overwhelmingly strong. It is remarkable that this remains imperceptible to the general public, and to feminists in particular. The reason is gynocentrism itself, which promotes its own invisibility.

Note though, he is 99% there but he is still coping by saying "gynocentrism is promoting its own invisiblity" - which to me sounds like a hint of blank slate theory, in the sense that he thinks that this is some sort of artifical, man-made system that was created at some point. In reality human nature is "Autopoiesis" to borrow a term from cybernetics - it basically is like a blueprint that self-unfolds with whatever is available in the given circumstances. Put a human in asian forest they will build shelter from bamboo, because its easily available. Put that same human mexico they will make mud houses out of adobe brick, because there is little forestation in many areas. The underlying values are the same, the human needs shelter. What they do to achieve that is secondary.

In the same fashion, human societies are and have always been as far as we can tell, gynocentric. They all shield women from harm at the expense of men. To achieve that, they use various means. In the past they might have used marriage as a tool to solicit male compliance. Now they can just use the welfare state, taxation, surveillance, censorship and other such means to achieve the same thing. OnlyFans is just the marriage contract of modernity. It is not a coincidence that they claim that most OF users are married men.
The underlying value humans have is to reproduce, provide for women and children to facilitate successful reproduction and the only way to do that is by having half of society, men, provide a surplus to women and children. Even if you dont believe in evolution, this is true and an observable and even testable fact. Call this shit gods law written on the human heart, natural law, evolutionary instinct - I dont care, functionally it works out the same.

Jews, women and other such groups are not special either, they are just operating on strong in-group bias. It is not a co-incidence that jews are matrilineal, jewish identity is based on the mother, not father. They display exactly the same behavior as women - obsession with self-victimization even when being completely in power, constant production of verbal diarrhea ("kvetching" - it even has a name in their culture), obsession with status (money, finance, hollywood is about gaining status to fuck hot women, weinstein for example), total domination of anything they infilitrate (women now control like 80% of book publishing and writing + 80% of customer purchases and many other fields, yet still larp as oppressed) and so forth.

Again, only a total ignoramus would accuse me of anti-semitism at this point, or misogyny. I am speaking about meta-ethics, meta-values, what is happening before people start acting, forming judgements etc. I am not judging, I am observing and reporting. Already I admitted above that myself and everyone here is chronically obsessed with women to point of psychosis. We worship women. I recently did a count of pictures on my laptop, around 6000 pictures. I sorted them by pictures that contained women vs ones that didnt. Can you guess the result. Yes, its like 70% pictures with women and then the rest has other shit in it. Am I the first to notice this? No.

Western society is obsessed with women to the point of mass neurosis. While researching this book I spent some time in the library at the United States embassy in London. It is an invaluable source of information, a repository of books and magazines that are otherwise difficult to find in Britain. One morning I was searching through the 1991 Index to The New York Times, which lists every article published in America's most famous newspaper.

The Index is published in four quarterly sections, and as I flicked through one of them I happened to notice that the list of articles under the heading "Women" was far longer than that under the heading "Men." Although individuals males politicians, celebrities, and sports-men, for example were written about very frequently, their sex as a whole was not. Between July and September 1991, The New York Times published 20 articles about men, including fashion pages, and 135 articles about women. I wondered whether this was an anomaly. Intrigued, I started to count. So, with the zeal of the natural obsessive, I resolved to go through the entire index and count up the articles published on men and women for the year as a whole.

The final tally was: Men, 104 articles; Women, 679 articles.

from: "Not Guilty - The Case In Defense Of Men" (1993) by David Thomas

Replaces sins with values or human nature and jews with anything that connected to that. We are all slaves to our values, instincts, to "sin." Thats why I said earlier, either you call whatever happens normal, it just is, or you pose a supernatural corruption like in christianity, either way, its not an invention, nobody invented hate, nobody made women hate men or made men worship women. And yet I get these fucking retarded level yt recommendations "how modern dating made women hate men" and shit.

Yes, human nature was magically changed after 1000s of years, in the last 50 years, it just did a complete 180° turn and before that women were trampling each other to suck sub5 mens dick. Incredible, "basic logic" indeed. I also want to add as a final reminder that historically nobody expected marriage to be this blissful paradise, that is a commercialized invention of the last 100 years. The white dress shit for wedding only came about as a marketing strategy because queen victoria wore one for her 50th wedding anniversary and they start shilling it after that.

By contrast, in ancient christianity, and you can look this up, marriage was seen as equal to martyrdom, an extreme sacrifice for both parties equal to taking monastic vows - it was not nice, it was no cozy. Even in the book of genesis in the bible, god says to Eve,
Your desire will be for your husband (16 d Or "You will desire to control your husband")
and he will rule over you.”
In short, there will be gender war. Nowhere does it say OMG they lived happily ever after in the white picked fence trad life style. Instead we have 6000 years of men expressing impotent rage about their wifes dominating them and harassing them all day. Thats why I say, either admit you are foid worshipper like rest of us and then go from that to being open apostle of foid worship (e.g. how jews peddle porn) or try to "transcend" your desires or whatever, but dont cope with this insane idea that incels or any man is somehow superior out there. You are not a saint without desires.

Even with total self-awareness of your own foid worshipping and anti-male instincts (includes self loathing as a man btw, performative self harm = male virtue signalling), you cant escape. You just sit there with a raging boner and you cant do shit. At this point you can only cope or become religious, submit, accept humility, pray, meditate, retreat into an observer state and bide your limited time here. There are no other ways. Life is a humiliation ritual, to live is to be humbled, this is not a choice. Everyone shits the bed eventually. If you can accept that it gets much easier, you actually get some control back, paradoxically.

Oh and even if you got what you wanted, infinite supply to pussy and female validation, I don't think you would end up satisfied. It doesnt end, you would just burn out and experience massive disllusionment. We already have more than all our ancestors had combined, unimaginable luxuries to them are commonplace to us, but do we live in a constant state of bliss? OMG THE WORLD KNOWLEDGE AT MY FINGERTIPS OMG HOT WATER FROM A PIPE IN WALL ON COMMAND, OMG COOKING WITHOUT AN OPEN FIRE - nobody cares. Your baseline desires rise with your standard of living. You can never catch up.

Tantalus.