Why imo Russia is a far bigger threat to the Euros than people online think

[WizardofSoda]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

 

[Sheldor]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

The Russians have no demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

imo we should nuke russia and every radical-muslim country. (In GTA) If I can't have a gf or fiends then pls give me at least peace and freedom apart from this stoneage fuckers.

 

[Gokubro]

once they takeover all of Ukraine

... and then they wake up?

 

[Therapywasaaste]

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[Gokubro]

Russian communism

That's like saying "German Fascism".

 

[CroatianManlet2]

That's like saying "German Fascism".

Retard fascism was an italian invention

 

[Gokubro]

Retard fascism was an italian invention

Okay, "German National-Socialism".

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

Eastern Europe hates Russia due to historical blood feuds. There is a reason why they Joined NATO as soon as the USSR fell. The fact that they're still in NATO, despite all the NATO faggotry, shows how much they hate Russia. Russia doesn't even have the capacity to enact regime change in Ukraine, let alone occupation and Russification.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

Russia's demographics and ethnic composition are just as bad as Western Europe.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

America's extremely well-funded battle-hardened military and insane military-industrial complex didn't do any good against Afghanistan, a country an eighth of its population. What makes you think Russia will be able to achieve total victory against a near-peer country with a third of its population?

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

Eastern Europe hates Russia due to historical blood feuds. There is a reason why they Joined NATO as soon as the USSR fell. The fact that they're still in NATO, despite all the NATO faggotry, shows how much they hate Russia. Russia doesn't even have the capacity to enact regime change in Ukraine, let alone occupation and Russification.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

Russia's demographics and ethnic composition are just as bad as Western Europe.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

America's extremely well-funded battle-hardened military and insane military-industrial complex didn't do any good against Afghanistan, a country an eighth of its population. What makes you think Russia will be able to achieve total victory against a near-peer country with a third of its population?

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

Eastern Europe hates Russia due to historical blood feuds. There is a reason why they Joined NATO as soon as the USSR fell. The fact that they're still in NATO, despite all the NATO faggotry, shows how much they hate Russia. Russia doesn't even have the capacity to enact regime change in Ukraine, let alone occupation and Russification.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

Russia's demographics and ethnic composition are just as bad as Western Europe.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

America's extremely well-funded battle-hardened military and insane military-industrial complex didn't do any good against Afghanistan, a country an eighth of its population. What makes you think Russia will be able to achieve total victory against a near-peer country with a third of its population?

 

[WizardofSoda]

Eastern Europe hates Russia due to historical blood feuds. There is a reason why they Joined NATO as soon as the USSR fell. The fact that they're still in NATO, despite all the NATO faggotry, shows how much they hate Russia. Russia doesn't even have the capacity to enact regime change in Ukraine, let alone occupation and Russification.

Russia's demographics and ethnic composition are just as bad as Western Europe.

America's extremely well-funded battle-hardened military and insane military-industrial complex didn't do any good against Afghanistan, a country an eighth of its population. What makes you think Russia will be able to achieve total victory against a near-peer country with a third of its population?

In Afghanistan the issue was resupply. The US had no real way to do substantial resupply to field a large army there. Thats why the peak deployment was something like 20,000 US troops.

The other reason was the will. Between 2000 and 2020 China got so much stronger, it became pretty clear the US could easily be pushed out. I believe the US also was pushed out of bases in the ex-Soviet Central Asian countries although this was peacefully done. And the US wasn't really gaining anything economically or strategically from having Afghanistan with a pro-America proxy government.


For Russia they surround Ukraine with Belarus and its all farmland and roads going throughout the whole thing. And Ukraine is vitally important to Russia's strategic position. I'm not sure if Russia has the will to go all the way and take all of Ukraine. But from what I've seen so far they do. The other questions I had was does Russia have the technology to not get wrecked by the Western weapons tech. In the first year it looked like no.. but then in year 2 I would say yes. And does Russia have the industry, economy or support from allies to back a long big time war. It seems they do although there is some questions left on that.

 

[ethniccel1]

if Euros choose to fight Russia this will be a fantastic shit show of the highest degree. Europe is filled with negros, sands, rice and a whole array of ethnics majority of which are males. To fight a large army like the one you described would require a draft in Europe and USA. Now the shit show begins because the ethnics will refuse to die for countries that bombeb and impoverished their home countries and it will be hilarious to see what happens when only white native males are forced to fight.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

In Afghanistan the issue was resupply. The US had no real way to do substantial resupply to field a large army there. Thats why the peak deployment was something like 20,000 US troops.

The other reason was the will. Between 2000 and 2020 China got so much stronger, it became pretty clear the US could easily be pushed out. I believe the US also was pushed out of bases in the ex-Soviet Central Asian countries although this was peacefully done.

Russia allowed America to set up bases in its sphere in central Asia as part of the war on terror. Russia's competition in that region is China, not the United States.

And the US wasn't really gaining anything economically or strategically from having Afghanistan with a pro-America proxy government.
For Russia they surround Ukraine with Belarus and its all farmland and roads going throughout the whole thing. And Ukraine is vitally important to Russia's strategic position.

Before February 2022: many NATO leaders had doubts about NATO; frozen conflicts prevented Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine from joining NATO; Finland and Sweden were neutral; European NATO was asleep at the wheel; and Russian influence over CSTO members was secure.

Now? NATO is more united than it has ever been since the end of the Cold War; Georgia and Moldova are trapping military resources needed in Ukraine; Finland is in NATO and Sweden is effectively a NATO member; NATO members are slowly rearming; and CSTO members are fighting each other instead of helping Russia in Ukraine.

Taking a slice of Ukraine made Russia worse off Strategically.

I'm not sure if Russia has the will to go all the way and take all of Ukraine. But from what I've seen so far they do.

Taking Bakhmut gave us the March on Moscow. A few more victories like this means Russia won't have to worry about NATO anymore.

The other questions I had was does Russia have the technology to not get wrecked by the Western weapons tech. In the first year it looked like no.. but then in year 2 I would say yes.

"Not get wrecked" was not what Putin had in mind in February 2022. The United States is sending a small amount of the old stuff because a quick Ukrainian victory would destabilize Russia and raise nuclear risks.

And does Russia have the industry, economy or support from allies to back a long big time war.

So did the USSR and the United States in Afghanistan.

 

[NorthernWind]

Eastern Europe hates Russia due to historical blood feuds. There is a reason why they Joined NATO as soon as the USSR fell. The fact that they're still in NATO, despite all the NATO faggotry, shows how much they hate Russia. Russia doesn't even have the capacity to enact regime change in Ukraine, let alone occupation and Russification.

Not everyone in EE hates Russia.
You underestimate the influence of US on elites of some EE countries.
Maybe you heard the story how one small EE country ruined its relationships with China because they wanted to please Biden administration?
Imagine ruining your relations with country which never even harmed you because you want to please some overlords overseas...
This is much more incompetent and immature than any Russian geopolitical move.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Not everyone in EE hates Russia.

Superpowers are almost always hated by the minor powers. In this case, the minor powers of Eastern Europe simply hate Russia more than they hate America.

You underestimate the influence of US on elites of some EE countries.
Maybe you heard the story how one small EE country ruined its relationships with China because they wanted to please Biden administration?
Imagine ruining your relations with country which never even harmed you because you want to please some overlords overseas...
This is much more incompetent and immature than any Russian geopolitical move.

What country are you talking about?
Comparing Russia to a small EE country is absurd. A great power like Russia should've known better.

 

[NorthernWind]

What country are you talking about?
Comparing Russia to a small EE country is absurd. A great power like Russia should've known better.

Lithuania.

 

[ethniccel1]

Russia allowed America to set up bases in its sphere in central Asia as part of the war on terror. Russia's competition in that region is China, not the United States.

Before February 2022: many NATO leaders had doubts about NATO; frozen conflicts prevented Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine from joining NATO; Finland and Sweden were neutral; European NATO was asleep at the wheel; and Russian influence over CSTO members was secure.

Now? NATO is more united than it has ever been since the end of the Cold War; Georgia and Moldova are trapping military resources needed in Ukraine; Finland is in NATO and Sweden is effectively a NATO member; NATO members are slowly rearming; and CSTO members are fighting each other instead of helping Russia in Ukraine.

Taking a slice of Ukraine made Russia worse off Strategically.

Taking Bakhmut gave us the March on Moscow. A few more victories like this means Russia won't have to worry about NATO anymore.

"Not get wrecked" was not what Putin had in mind in February 2022. The United States is sending a small amount of the old stuff because a quick Ukrainian victory would destabilize Russia and raise nuclear risks.

So did the USSR and the United States in Afghanistan.

you seem to think Russia is losing? I am not a military expert but Ukranians are refusing t get drafted and now Ukraine are also forcing old men to fight. What does that tell us? It means Ukraine has run out of men to fight, maybe the men ran away to Europe or are hiding in Ukraine but what ever the reason if this continues Russia wins, very simple.

 

[Caesercel]

Romania and Crotia joined EU. Except Sebia no one is siding with Russia

 

[NorthernWind]

Romania and Crotia joined EU. Except Sebia no one is siding with Russia

Hungary and Slovakia aren't anti-Russian either. Pro-Russian sentiment traditionally exists in Bulgaria, Greece and maybe Cyprus.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

you seem to think Russia is losing? I am not a military expert but Ukranians are refusing t get drafted and now Ukraine are also forcing old men to fight. What does that tell us? It means Ukraine has run out of men to fight, maybe the men ran away to Europe or are hiding in Ukraine but what ever the reason if this continues Russia wins, very simple.

Do you have proof that Ukraine's manpower shortage is significantly worse than Russia's? What does it mean for Russia to win?

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Hungary and Slovakia aren't anti-Russian either. Pro-Russian sentiment traditionally exists in Bulgaria, Greece and maybe Cyprus.

Not enough to get them out of faggot NATO.

 

[DonezoTheClown]

imo we should nuke russia and every radical-muslim country. (In GTA) If I can't have a gf or fiends then pls give me at least peace and freedom apart from this stoneage fuckers.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WAOxKOmR90

 

[SmhChan]

I want western europe to suffer the worst fate imaginable in human history. After looting, plundering, committing atrocities, and lucking out on genetics, they cannot stop flaunting their prosperity and lecturing the whole world on every fucking thing. Despite such little population, they consume most of the resources. Their men steal foids from third-worlds because they cannot control their own foids. For once, they should get a taste of actual suffering.

 

[Dregster]

Say this was the 1980's and average people in Western Europe were living a standard of living that was a golden age. No normal person in Europe in the 1980's wanted to go with Russia.

But after 30 years of impoverishing their people by stealing the wealth for themselves, the EU big wigs wonder why they are so unpopular. People struggling with insecure employment, reduced benefits, falling wages, becoming renters whereas before their families were home owners and people who can't keep up with the rent as the rentiers raise the rent made homeless. At that point Russian communism looks pretty good, where you have a secure government job, your own commie block unit, your Yugo, nearly free fuel, electricity, water, cheap food and vodka and cigarettes.

There are ~120 million people in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. It looks to me like majorities in most of those countries are with Russia now. Even in East Germany, the majority there are supporting Russia. If Russia takes all of Ukraine it might not be that hard to flip a bunch of those countries to ally with Russia.

The Russians have now demonstrated they can take serious losses on the battlefield and keep going. Its not a sure thing that the Euro countries will be able to rebuild their armies. Their armies are only about 1/4 the size they were in the 1980's. And even if they can rebuild the armies, will Euro soldiers be willing to fight it out and die in the trenches if necessary. Especially in countries where majorities are with Russia.

At the end of this war Russia is going to have a huge battle hardened standing army, and military industry ramped up at home, and once they takeover all of Ukraine they will add Ukraine's army to their own, which Ukraine is the number 2 standing army in Europe. It won't be as easy to stop as people online are saying.

@Uggo Mongo @shii410 look at this potential lifefuel

 

[ethniccel1]

Do you have proof that Ukraine's manpower shortage is significantly worse than Russia's? What does it mean for Russia to win?

Dude nobody has any proof of the actual numbers because neither the Ukranians nor the Russians publish true figures. If ask the Americans some say 500K, some say 100K. Nobody knows for sure. But one thing we do know from MSM , Telegram and forums like these are articles and videos popping up of Ukranian men forced to go fight and old men getting drafted. This shows at the very least that Ukraine has manpower shortages.

Now as for the Russians again from MSM and from the Russians themselves they are continually recruiting with no problems even though fighting age men are fleeing Russia. So Russia at least still has enough manpower to call up.

What a Russian victory means I dont know to be honest. All I can see as of now is Ukraine is now beginning to struggle and even the funding is been reduced by the Western donors, this should tell you something

 

[WizardofSoda]

Dude nobody has any proof of the actual numbers because neither the Ukranians nor the Russians publish true figures. If ask the Americans some say 500K, some say 100K. Nobody knows for sure. But one thing we do know from MSM , Telegram and forums like these are articles and videos popping up of Ukranian men forced to go fight and old men getting drafted. This shows at the very least that Ukraine has manpower shortages.

Now as for the Russians again from MSM and from the Russians themselves they are continually recruiting with no problems even though fighting age men are fleeing Russia. So Russia at least still has enough manpower to call up.

What a Russian victory means I dont know to be honest. All I can see as of now is Ukraine is now beginning to struggle and even the funding is been reduced by the Western donors, this should tell you something

Ya from the Wikipedia demographics pages for each country, back in 2003 Russia had 1,477,000 births, so call it 750,000 males born. Who are now 20 years old. In Ukraine they had 408,000 births, so call it 210,000 males born.

Then there is another problem.. about 20% of Ukraine is now with Russia. And those former Ukrainians have been a lot of the fighting for the Russian side, in the DPR and LPR armies. So 210,000 Ukrainian males born in 2003 * 20% = ~40,000 males who are actually on the Russian side. That brings it down to 170,000 Ukrainian males. But simplifying it down lets just take the 750,000 Russian 20 year old males vs. the 210,000 Ukrainian 20 year old males. That is a 3.5 to 1 advantage for Russia.

How is Ukraine even still in this war then. Its because the militarization in Ukraine is much higher than in Russia as you noted. And the West has sent in an unknown number of mercenaries, many of whom or most of whom have formed units in the Ukrainian National Army. Also there is considered in war to be a 3x defenders advantage. Just the sheer size of Ukraine and how the population is spread out around the whole country, it makes it a slow grind as well.

A reason imo there is division in the US about the continuing funding. Ukraine is going to imo need a lot more mercenaries going forward, and instead of some gee-whiz high tech weapons, Ukraine needs a river of conventional military stuff. The West will have to ramp up the production of regular military equipment and ammo, which is a big undertaking.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

Dude nobody has any proof of the actual numbers because neither the Ukranians nor the Russians publish true figures. If ask the Americans some say 500K, some say 100K. Nobody knows for sure. But one thing we do know from MSM , Telegram and forums like these are articles and videos popping up of Ukranian men forced to go fight and old men getting drafted. This shows at the very least that Ukraine has manpower shortages.

The same thing happens in Russia.

Now as for the Russians again from MSM and from the Russians themselves they are continually recruiting with no problems even though fighting age men are fleeing Russia. So Russia at least still has enough manpower to call up.

Western MSM can say whatever they want, they've been jumping from extreme optimism for Ukraine to extreme pessimism since February 2022. Recruiting with no problems? Not even Russian state media is saying that.

What a Russian victory means I dont know to be honest. All I can see as of now is Ukraine is now beginning to struggle and even the funding is been reduced by the Western donors, this should tell you something

Ukraine has been struggling since February 2022.

 

[Rotter]

 

[ethniccel1]

The same thing happens in Russia.

Western MSM can say whatever they want, they've been jumping from extreme optimism for Ukraine to extreme pessimism since February 2022. Recruiting with no problems? Not even Russian state media is saying that.

Ukraine has been struggling since February 2022.

The thing is it looks like Ukraine will reach breaking point first. When that happens then its ovER



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLz5ZsJEG0

 

[based_meme]

When you have to draft old men to fight your war you know it's completely over for you.

 

[WizardofSoda]

See what I am saying. Before the war, Ukraine was the number 2 standing army in Europe, behind Russia. So if the Ukrainian army is merged into the Russian army after the war, who in Europe can stop that army. For 30 years the European socialists have been cutting military spending, until they have shamefully small militaries, and small military industries.

They are counting on the US army, but the US army isn't that big. The USA is more of a sea and air power, owing to us being an ocean away from the other big countries. We could support a European country that had a big army with our high tech weaponry and air power. But it would take a long time before the USA could build up a strong conventional ground force.

Like after Ukraine, if Russia chose to take over Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland there isn't much we could do. And Moldova, Russia will just run over and retake.

 

[ReconElement]

The steppes has always been a threat to the sedentary societies that bordered it, including euros and everyone else, the euros are not even euros their homeland is in the steppes. RETVRN.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

The thing is it looks like Ukraine will reach breaking point first. When that happens then its ovER



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLz5ZsJEG0

Russia doesn't seem to think Ukraine's breaking point is near, or it would've attacked along the entire front like during the beginning of the war. Both sides are digging in and conserving their resources for a long war.