Venting Where did it all go wrong?

[harvomarvo]

Hello, this is my first time posting on this forum. I have been into the blackpill since early 2023. I just wanted to introduce myself. I know that the title is kind of a rhetorical question.

I have tried for many years to find joy in this world. I'm still very young, only being 21 at the time of the post. I have tried various copes ranging from: religion, philosophy, accepting, rejecting, forgiving, and normiemaxxing. I have forced myself to go to college and get a job, but I was never able to be normal. The unfortunate part is that when I was younger, I was very normal. I was happy, sociable, carefree, and confident. I had many friends and happy moments. I didn't bully people; hell, even the teachers were friends with me.

I get sad knowing that I have turned into a failure and a parasite to my family. I had a pretty unfortunate childhood, which I'll refrain from talking about here, but I think the reason I am a failure is because of my environment, genetics, social development, and more. I am a byproduct of things I cannot control; I'm sure many of you can relate.

I am extremely unattractive. I am a KHHV at 21. I am extremely shy and reserved to the point where I don't even make eye contact with family. I even avoid going to get-togethers like Christmas with them because I feel such humiliation for my low standing in society. One thing that might make you cringe or angry at me is I don't blame women for finding me unattractive. I have always been treated well and fairly by both men and women, but I fail to make meaningful connections.

I am too unattractive to find friends or a girlfriend

I'm sorry if this was a cringe post kek

 

[McFlurryCel]

bE stoic

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

Just bee yourself

 

[harvomarvo]

Just bee yourself

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

 

[Shay Patrick Cormac]

You were just born with genes that weren't meant to reproduce that's all, the only things you have left are copes so cope hard and cope how you want


View: https://youtu.be/2Or4jEd-FDk?si=OCVG7vHcR43ktMHH

 

[daydreamER]

Welcome brother. Strong first post.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Welcome brother.

 

[LonerLothario]

You were just born with genes that weren't meant to reproduce that's all, the only things you have left are copes so cope hard and cope how you want


View: https://youtu.be/2Or4jEd-FDk?si=OCVG7vHcR43ktMHH

Hahah yeah welcome indeed

 

[Xul]

Hello, this is my first time posting on this forum. I have been into the blackpill since early 2023. I just wanted to introduce myself. I know that the title is kind of a rhetorical question.

I have tried for many years to find joy in this world. I'm still very young, only being 21 at the time of the post. I have tried various copes ranging from: religion, philosophy, accepting, rejecting, forgiving, and normiemaxxing. I have forced myself to go to college and get a job, but I was never able to be normal. The unfortunate part is that when I was younger, I was very normal. I was happy, sociable, carefree, and confident. I had many friends and happy moments. I didn't bully people; hell, even the teachers were friends with me.

I get sad knowing that I have turned into a failure and a parasite to my family. I had a pretty unfortunate childhood, which I'll refrain from talking about here, but I think the reason I am a failure is because of my environment, genetics, social development, and more. I am a byproduct of things I cannot control; I'm sure many of you can relate.

I am extremely unattractive. I am a KHHV at 21. I am extremely shy and reserved to the point where I don't even make eye contact with family. I even avoid going to get-togethers like Christmas with them because I feel such humiliation for my low standing in society. One thing that might make you cringe or angry at me is I don't blame women for finding me unattractive. I have always been treated well and fairly by both men and women, but I fail to make meaningful connections.

I am too unattractive to find friends or a girlfriend

I'm sorry if this was a cringe post kek

Multiple contradictments, fakecell or depressed normie

 

[notlovejoe]

Normie alert

 

[LonelyATM]

good luck, you are young and have some brutal years ahead.

 

[sadlemon]

Yesterday i had a revelation, which is kind of obvious but it did not click for me yet. You are your parents.

What does that mean? you're their product, so if they are good human beings and they cultivate you well, you'll turn out nice. If they suck ass as human beings instead, you'll end up as a broken human and thus won't be able to live life correctly.

So, you have to take into account the environment your parents gave you or lack of it. And then the genetics they granted you. The combination of those 2 things will impact in how you perform in the real world. Other things, like what you want, etc are meaningless. There are some people that trascend over hteir parents, but they are not the norm

 

[Lifeless]

Welcome saar

 

[Grodd]

Welcome saar

 

[Grodd]

It all went wrong at birth since it was over from the start

 

[Pancakecel]

It all went wrong at birth since it was over from the start

 

[メンヘラ]

Welcome, man, and congratulations for the good post. Unfortunately, many things escape from our control and will and this chain of things can cause a deep angst on the long term. I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm glad you have found a place where you can belong, or at least it's that what I get from your post.
When things went wrong for me? Well, under specific birth conditions I got a psychological/biological trauma which is quite documented and this led me to struggle with social environment and develop mental health disorders such as depression. To sum it up, many things between my pre-birth and life experiences led me to the state I'm.

Yesterday i had a revelation, which is kind of obvious but it did not click for me yet. You are your parents.

What does that mean? you're their product, so if they are good human beings and they cultivate you well, you'll turn out nice. If they suck ass as human beings instead, you'll end up as a broken human and thus won't be able to live life correctly.

So, you have to take into account the environment your parents gave you or lack of it. And then the genetics they granted you. The combination of those 2 things will impact in how you perform in the real world. Other things, like what you want, etc are meaningless. There are some people that trascend over hteir parents, but they are not the norm

I disagree. While parents can strongly shape a person, many things escape from their control, even if they are good as parents. Imagine a person being heavily bullied, being raped by 3 man or idk... or becoming paraplegic on his kids/teens years. Things like that are life changing and may not have something to do with one's parents

It all went wrong at birth since it was over from the start

Things went wrong for me even before my birth, and I wish I was joking

 

[DutchCel01]

bE stoic

Just be stoic theory

 

[sadlemon]

I disagree. While parents can strongly shape a person, many things escape from their control, even if they are good as parents. Imagine a person being heavily bullied, being raped by 3 man or idk... or becoming paraplegic on his kids/teens years. Things like that are life changing and may not have something to do with one's parents

You disagreed and cited exceptions to the rule. Sure you can go outside and a plane can drop on you and that won't be your parents fault. Does that change what i've said? You get your looks, personality and environment from your parents. Thus you are a "mini-version" of them.

There may be cases where one does succeed against all odds, but the incel phenomena is largely due to bad parents. Either they are ugly as fuck and procreate or they are mentally illl or both. That was my case and i'm sure i'll be the case for others as well

 

[Zaraj11]

I was very normal. I was happy, sociable, carefree, and confident. I had many friends and happy moments.

 

[メンヘラ]

You disagreed and cited exceptions to the rule. Sure you can go outside and a plane can drop on you and that won't be your parents fault. Does that change what i've said? You get your looks, personality and environment from your parents. Thus you are a "mini-version" of them.

There may be cases where one does succeed against all odds, but the incel phenomena is largely due to bad parents. Either they are ugly as fuck and procreate or they are mentally illl or both. That was my case and i'm sure i'll be the case for others as well

Your mistake is to reduce people to a simple fusion of their parents. Sure, looks are totally determined by parents, but personality and environment aren't entirely determined or controled by one's family. In that regard, parents are just a guide and the effectivness of this guidance can vary. Also, while the impact of this guidance is the most strong on the formative years of one, it's also true that humans tend to go beyond those icons and try to achieve independence, thus the common revolted mood of teenagers.
If an incel was just a "mini-version" of their parents, then he should be able to have sex with girls, because this full hereditary of parent's characteristics also means social aptitude. But it's not like an incel results from [(male x virginity) + (female x virginity) ÷ 2]. Newborns are literally this: newborns, a totally new existence. If human were copied instead of created, humanity wouldn't move beyond uga buga age. This doesn't mean they are free from parents influence, but this also doesn't means they are just what their parents were.
Let's go back to your original post:

"if they are good human beings and they cultivate you well, you'll turn out nice. If they suck ass as human beings instead, you'll end up as a broken human and thus won't be able to live life correctly."

Reading about Eliot Rodger, it seems he had good parents, despite some misfortunes that indeed impacted him in a bad way. They were artists, it's said his mother took great care of him and both of them performed socially well and were well integrated into society. They don't seem to be bad persons nor rejected by society. The fact that his parents broke up and that ER was mixed-race and short, though, seems to have cause him pain, but while these are major events in one's life, I don't believe this equals to parents being totally bad nor that they provided him a totally bad enviroment. In fact, it seems ER's mother cared about him.
Eliot Rodger didn't end broken because they parents were totally bad (despite making mistakes, which is also natural), but because an enviroment external to him, which is beyond the familiar sphere was hostile to him: in other words, the little society that Rodger could reach. His mother choose his son's school, but surely didn't choose the bullying he would recive there and in other schools. These communities external to the familiar sphere are what truly destroyed Eliot Rodger, since they are evil. Bullying, humiliation and rejection were committed by his classmates and, if we think about his early life (until 10 years old), probably not only because of his looks (despite this is a common reason) or the personality inherited from his parents, but due to behavioral characteristics exclusive to ER. And while they were probably conditioned by his family's situations they were also something different, which started on Eliot himself. This goes beyond genetic predisposition to something because you can't alienate his genetics from his family, the own person he was, a totally new person, and the external social enviroment he lived on.

 

[Justanotherbloke]

Welcome

 

[sadlemon]

Your mistake is to reduce people to a simple fusion of their parents. Sure, looks are totally determined by parents, but personality and environment aren't entirely determined or controled by one's family. In that regard, parents are just a guide and the effectivness of this guidance can vary. Also, while the impact of this guidance is the most strong on the formative years of one, it's also true that humans tend to go beyond those icons and try to achieve independence, thus the common revolted mood of teenagers.

Again, you are talking about exceptions. Teenagers mood swings are hardly a counter argument to what i've said. You have yet to address the issue of how your parents shape you from your formative years. They grant unto you the environment and the genetic potential.

You seem stuck on that you're basically a copy of your parent. What i meant is that parents bring you a ceiling, reaching it or not depends upon your luck and capabilities. But going above it it's nill impossible unless they grant you a good ceiling, which incel parents often times do not.

If an incel was just a "mini-version" of their parents, then he should be able to have sex with girls, because this full hereditary of parent's characteristics also means social aptitude. But it's not like an incel results from [(male x virginity) + (female x virginity) ÷ 2].

Yup, but you do know that they had their parents right? that's also something that goes into the equation.

Reading about Eliot Rodger, it seems he had good parents, despite some misfortunes that indeed impacted him in a bad way. They were artists, it's said his mother took great care of him and both of them performed socially well and were well integrated into society. They don't seem to be bad persons nor rejected by society. The fact that his parents broke up and that ER was mixed-race and short, though, seems to have cause him pain, but while these are major events in one's life, I don't believe this equals to parents being totally bad nor that they provided him a totally bad enviroment.

Way to go, to bring another exception as an argument. I'll just entertain you as i've a lot of thoughts about ER. I want to know how do you think his environment was not granted by his parents?

You in your comments say how her mother had chosen his school. He had to attend rich people's meeting due to his fathers influence. I imagine what a pain that must've been. ER problem was actually his parents, he had grown in a place of status and richness. But he had neither the influence, looks nor EQ to knew how to navigate in that environment. His father clearly did not count as a father figure and was more often than not giving attention to his other wife (ER step mom) and ER brother.

In fact, it seems ER's mother cared about him.

So i want to ask you, if your parents care about you. But the environment and the decisions they had were detrimental in your upbringing. were they good parents?
I don't know much about ER mom because he lived with his dad the majority of the time.

Eliot Rodger didn't end broken because they parents were totally bad (despite making mistakes, which is also natural), but because an enviroment external to him

His environment was not external to him, he lived like that thru all of his life. He was forced to participate in that environment. Does that mean he should go bloody murder upon everyone? Of course not, and my opinion is that he had a lot of advantages that others didn't. But calling his parents good seems ignorant

 

[Scrangillious Q.]

The best advice I can give you is to avoid all kinds of human contact. I go out only when strictly necessary. Out there is dangerous for us.

 

[Teru Mikami]

Birth!