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Venting Victims of sex crimes aren't emotionally doomed and are able to eventually heal

It's easy if you take advantage of her juvenile mind. You shouldn't, because that's criminal and abhorrent, but oldcels do it all the time. People here must not know that, because they aren't criminals.
It may be "criminal" but there's nothing wrong with it and there's no proof it's damaging. It's mentally damaged and brainwashed normies who say it's bad. Sex isn't a big deal unless you're willing to make it illegal for people under 18 to have sex with each other too, not just with adults. If anything, allowing them to have sex with adults will make them more responsible, because instead of having reckless immature boyfriends they can start having more mature and responsible ones.
And again, abnormalities happen. You shouldn't take advantage of adult retards either.
Autists aren't the same as retards, but they're less developed in a lot of ways than jbs. So an exception should be made for them.
 
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It may be "criminal" but there's nothing wrong with it and there's no proof it's damaging. It's mentally damaged brainwashed normies who say it's bad. Sex isn't a big deal unless you're willing to make it illegal for people under 18 to have sex with each other too, not just with adults. If anything, allowing them to have sex with adults will make them more responsible, because instead of having reckless immature boyfriends they can start having more mature and responsible ones.

Sex is a big deal. It's only supposed to be for people with the emotional maturity to handle it. Sex is as intimate as you can be with another person. It's a big deal.

Autists aren't the same as retards, but they'll less developed in a lot of ways than jbs. So the exception should be made for them.

Autists, retards, whichever. If you're sufficiently handicapped mentally, it's understood that you should not be taken advantage of.
 
Sex is a big deal. It's only supposed to be for people with the emotional maturity to handle it. Sex is as intimate as you can be with another person. It's a big deal.
Then it should be illegal for under 18's to have sex, and they should both be punished. Slutty teens who dress slutty or talk about sex online should also be punished. They are ruining each other, so it's very serious. We can't just sit back and let "children" destroy themselves.
Autists, retards, whichever. If you're sufficiently handicapped mentally, it's understood that you should not be taken advantage of.
Since retards, jb's and autists are mentally compromised according to you, they shouldn't be punished if they have sex with each other, because "who raped who?"
 
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reported to the FBI
 
Then it should be illegal for under 18's to have sex, and they should both be punished. Slutty teens who dress slutty or talk about sex online should also be punished. They are ruining each other, so it's very serious. We can't just sit back and let "children" destroy themselves.

But you can't punish them, just the more competent person that led them down this path. We don't punish teenagers who have sex because, while they shouldn't have sex, we don't have a groomer/predator to punish in that scenario.

Since retards, jb's and autists are mentally compromised according to you, they shouldn't be punished if they have sex with each other, because "who raped who?"

Yeah, that's why we don't punish teenagers who have sex. However, a 20 year old autist is not necessarily less competent than a normal 16 year old.
 
But you can't punish them, just the more competent person that led them down this path. We don't punish teenagers who have sex because, while they shouldn't have sex, we don't have a groomer/predator to punish in that scenario.
If they rob a store they get punished, or drive drunk, so having sex should also get them punished. Just because they're teens doesn't make them immune from being punished for crimes.
Yeah, that's why we don't punish teenagers who have sex. However, a 20 year old autist is not necessarily less competent than a normal 16 year old.
The 20 year old is way less competent in a lot of areas than the normal 16 year old. The 16 year old would have a huge advantage for being nt.
 
We already covered that it doesn't matter if the kid wants to have sex. They're not emotionally mature enough for it. And it does fuck them up. It ruins them in ways we in now understand to be bad.



I'm not "okay" with it, it's just you can't make it illegal. You can't even make it illegal for kids to have sex, despite how against it we are. Because who would we punish? Who took advantage of whom? In order to punish this, we need a manipulator to punish. If there was no manipulator, if it's just two stupid kids doing a stupid thing they aren't ready for, we can't call either of them the "rapist" and thus no legal punishment can occur. We just leave it up to their parents to punish them.



But "acting like an adult" HAS changed since then. Our standards have changed since 30,000 years ago. Our understanding of what's healthy and productive has changed since 30,000 years ago. Teenage minds might be able to handle being a caveman adult, but being a caveman adult is not healthy. Being a modern adult of healthy, sound mind? It takes more than being able to have sex and start a fire.

You're saying teenagers knew how to be cave adults in caveman times. That's not emotional or mental maturity. Not as we understand it now. And our understanding is much better than caveman times.



Because they had no choice! They didn't have the options we do now. You ignored my point entirely so I'll say it again. "They were raised from an early age to inherit this life. In a world where there wasn't much choice outside of following in your family's footsteps. That's the force." If you're saying they weren't raised for this, you're being ignorant, because if they weren't, they wouldn't know HOW to be adults.



They're free to do what they're emotionally mature enough for. But here's something else you're ignoring, even if a teenager didn't want to go to school, he can rebel and skip school. Do something else. Because those options exist. Teenagers have access to those options. Not like in the pre-1800s,

Your whole argument seems to hinge on "Teenagers in the olden times were obedient." Ignoring a myriad of factors that contribute to why a person might be obedient but another wouldn't.



Puberty is when you're most irrational and impulsive. Most driven by instinct and emotion. That's immaturity. Maturity is when you're out of that tumultuous phase and can think clearly. That's biology.

And what we care about if is a 20 year old can be responsible for themselves. If a 20 year old is some kind of retard, and they get into an adult relationship, we're concerned. This is why we worry about retards for the rest of their adult lives. Worry that they're with partners who won't take advantage of them.

Also also, not having a license is not itself a mark of mental/emotional immaturity. It's just driverslicensepillers feeling bad for themselves.
and you don't think teenagers are forced into high school and college? puberty IS connected with maturity. this why when people get to their late teens and finish puberty they have adult behavior tendencies and try to do adult stuff and enjoy independence, their brain tells them they're an adult and need to be independent and behave like adults, but when we infantilize them all their life and restrict this, that's what, according to research, causes teen turmoil. also, teenagers in the paleolithic age decided to behave like adults, this is what eventually lead to them continuing adult responsibilities later on, that's why they married in the old days and were allowed to drink, get married, become parents, etc. laws infantilizing teenagers had only to do with child labor laws concerning 10 year olds or something, which led to a slippery slope where we impose compulsory education and shit, leading to them having their childhood extended, i doubt there was evidence in the 1800s that teens are intrinsically immature. if that was the case, society would've fucked up long ago for giving them adult responsibilites but that never happened.

there's NO proof that age differences inherently cause trauma. society's reaction and teaching teens it's abusive and that they're supposed to be traumatized is what traumatized them.
 
If they rob a store they get punished, or drive drunk, so having sex should also get them punished. Just because they're teens doesn't make them immune from being punished for crimes.

You rob a store, the victim is the store owner. You drive drunk, the victim is whoever you share the road with. You can't rape yourself.

The 20 year old is way less competent in a lot of areas than the normal 16 year old. The 16 year old would have a huge advantage for being nt.

Not necessarily incompetent in the ways that make you responsible for your own mistakes as an adult.

and you don't think teenagers are forced into high school and college?

Yes, teenagers are forced by law to go to high school. But not college. When did I say they weren't? What's your point? Do you even know, or are you just jumping at things to not like about how we do things today?

puberty IS connected with maturity. this why when people get to their late teens and finish puberty they have adult behavior tendencies and try to do adult stuff and enjoy independence, their brain tells them they're an adult and need to be independent and behave like adults, but when we infantilize them all their life and restrict this, that's what, according to research, causes teen turmoil.

You must not understand what maturity is. Maturity isn't just wanting to do "adult things." Maturity isn't wanting to fuck or see tiddy. Maturity is sophistication. Maturity is competence. Maturity is not being a pubescent pile of impulse and irrationality. Puberity is connected with impulse and irrationality. Emotional instability. Things that are not "mature." That's why we keep emotional teenagers from doing adult things. Because adult things require an adult mind. A stable, rational, non-impulsive, balanced, well adjusted adult mind. Do you not understand what maturity is?

also, teenagers in the paleolithic age decided to behave like adults, this is what eventually lead to them continuing adult responsibilities later on, that's why they married in the old days and were allowed to drink, get married, become parents, etc.

I don't know how you know what teenagers in the Paleolithic were doing, and I'm interested to know. But I do know this. something I've already told you before in this thread but for some weird reason you fail to grasp: The Paleolithic was shit. The olden days were shit. The standards back then were shit. Stop saying "But in the old days they did this and that." They didn't know mental health back in the old days. That's clear from your incessance over "But the teenagers didn't rebel!" As if that were the one marker of a teenager's mental health. A "good adult job" back in the old days does not meet the standard today.

laws infantilizing teenagers had only to do with child labor laws concerning 10 year olds or something, which led to a slippery slope where we impose compulsory education and shit, leading to them having their childhood extended, i doubt there was evidence in the 1800s that teens are intrinsically immature. if that was the case, society would've fucked up long ago for giving them adult responsibilites but that never happened.

See? You show your piss poor understanding of what constitutes mental health. You think just because society didn't crumble, it was healthy to have teen rulers. Neglecting to remember that ancient history is rife with turmoil. Rife with impulsive rulers. An impulsive ruler is bad. Shouldn't have one. But it doesn't mean your kingdom will crumble if you have one. You think just because a child soldier can win a war, that means they're fit to be soldiers. Piss poor. It's about more than being able to win a war.

there's NO proof that age differences inherently cause trauma. society's reaction and teaching teens it's abusive and that they're supposed to be traumatized is what traumatized them.

And now you're back to this. Lemme guess, you're thinking "A teen bride probably wouldn't be sad or angry or suicidal just for having sex with an adult!" If you are thinking that, you really aren't keeping track of this conversation.
 
You rob a store, the victim is the store owner. You drive drunk, the victim is whoever you share the road with. You can't rape yourself.
When someone does or sells drugs there's also no victim, but it's still illegal. Anyone engaging in something damaging needs to be punished and discouraged from doing it.
Not necessarily incompetent in the ways that make you responsible for your own mistakes as an adult.
Just because you understand the cucked laws doesn't mean they should apply to you. If teens know they'd be imprisoned if they robbed a liquor store that would stop them from doing it, even though they're not adults. Being able to follow laws isn't a sign of ultimate maturity.
 
You rob a store, the victim is the store owner. You drive drunk, the victim is whoever you share the road with. You can't rape yourself.



Not necessarily incompetent in the ways that make you responsible for your own mistakes as an adult.



Yes, teenagers are forced by law to go to high school. But not college. When did I say they weren't? What's your point? Do you even know, or are you just jumping at things to not like about how we do things today?



You must not understand what maturity is. Maturity isn't just wanting to do "adult things." Maturity isn't wanting to fuck or see tiddy. Maturity is sophistication. Maturity is competence. Maturity is not being a pubescent pile of impulse and irrationality. Puberity is connected with impulse and irrationality. Emotional instability. Things that are not "mature." That's why we keep emotional teenagers from doing adult things. Because adult things require an adult mind. A stable, rational, non-impulsive, balanced, well adjusted adult mind. Do you not understand what maturity is?



I don't know how you know what teenagers in the Paleolithic were doing, and I'm interested to know. But I do know this. something I've already told you before in this thread but for some weird reason you fail to grasp: The Paleolithic was shit. The olden days were shit. The standards back then were shit. Stop saying "But in the old days they did this and that." They didn't know mental health back in the old days. That's clear from your incessance over "But the teenagers didn't rebel!" As if that were the one marker of a teenager's mental health. A "good adult job" back in the old days does not meet the standard today.



See? You show your piss poor understanding of what constitutes mental health. You think just because society didn't crumble, it was healthy to have teen rulers. Neglecting to remember that ancient history is rife with turmoil. Rife with impulsive rulers. An impulsive ruler is bad. Shouldn't have one. But it doesn't mean your kingdom will crumble if you have one. You think just because a child soldier can win a war, that means they're fit to be soldiers. Piss poor. It's about more than being able to win a war.



And now you're back to this. Lemme guess, you're thinking "A teen bride probably wouldn't be sad or angry or suicidal just for having sex with an adult!" If you are thinking that, you really aren't keeping track of this conversation.
teenagers ARE forced in college. you're taught constantly to go to college by societyand you don't finish college, many jobs don't hire you. we're taught college is important af and thus are pretty much forced into it.

older teens aren't pubescent. they finish puberty when they get to age 16/17. also, like i said, they're only immature because of society's infantilization of them. we extend childhood to 21 these days and treat them like toddlers, that's why they are immature. otherwise, they would've been immature throughout history. Robert epstein shows that in many societies, teens are much more mature than western teens. how is this hard to know? if teens are inherently immature, society would've collapsed long ago for having teens in charge back then. you really think a teenager in a society where they're adults is just as immature?

also in the paleolithic age, we had to make babies early and make as many as we can because life expectancy was low at first. if teens are inherently immature, then they wouldn't be sexually mature. if people aren't mature until 25, then we'd have low fertility until 25. it's part of nature to reproduce early. there isn't any proof that soldiers who were under 18 couldn't handle war in the old days, in fact, if they couldn't handle war, we would've lost all those wars back then. where's the proof that 16 year old guys cannot handle war? where's proof that even back then they couldn't handle it. also, ancient times had turmoil because there wasn't medicine, wasn't any science, etc. not because of teens being adults back then. also, in the old days, they DID know trauma. i read that in ancient times people already knew what trauma was. in fact, we knew what war trauma was long ago too. there are even records of knights in medieval times suffering trauma.
 
When someone does or sells drugs there's also no victim, but it's still illegal. Anyone engaging in something damaging needs to be punished and discouraged from doing it.

That's a valid point, and why people debate whether or not there should be drug laws. But even if you do believe in drug laws and wanna point to them as an example of warranted punishment for a "victimless crime," kids still aren't punished like adults for drug offenses. We tend to not try kids as adults for most things. There are exceptions though.

Just because you understand the cucked laws doesn't mean they should apply to you. If teens know they'd be imprisoned if they robbed a liquor store that would stop them from doing it, even though they're not adults. Being able to follow laws isn't a sign of ultimate maturity.

It's not the understanding of the law itself that makes you an adult, but it's actual mental/emotional maturity. The kind that you should have at a certain age.

teenagers ARE forced in college. you're taught constantly to go to college by societyand you don't finish college, many jobs don't hire you. we're taught college is important af and thus are pretty much forced into it.

Many jobs. Not all jobs. If you wanted to take a chance on a collegeless life, you could. The option is out there. But what is your point? Do you remember?

older teens aren't pubescent. they finish puberty when they get to age 16/17

Not true, the hormonal aspect rages until the early 20s. A big part of the whole "emotional instability" part of "dumb kid vs. stable adult."


also, like i said, they're only immature because of society's infantilization of them. we extend childhood to 21 these days and treat them like toddlers, that's why they are immature. otherwise, they would've been immature throughout history. Robert epstein shows that in many societies, teens are much more mature than western teens. how is this hard to know? if teens are inherently immature, society would've collapsed long ago for having teens in charge back then. you really think a teenager in a society where they're adults is just as immature?

Oh my God, this again. Know what? Go back and read the last time I addressed you saying this. I need a break from repeating myself.

also in the paleolithic age, we had to make babies early and make as many as we can because life expectancy was low at first. if teens are inherently immature, then they wouldn't be sexually mature. if people aren't mature until 25, then we'd have low fertility until 25. it's part of nature to reproduce early. there isn't any proof that soldiers who were under 18 couldn't handle war in the old days, in fact, if they couldn't handle war, we would've lost all those wars back then. where's the proof that 16 year old guys cannot handle war? where's proof that even back then they couldn't handle it. also, ancient times had turmoil because there wasn't medicine, wasn't any science, etc. not because of teens being adults back then. also, in the old days, they DID know trauma. i read that in ancient times people already knew what trauma was. in fact, we knew what war trauma was long ago too. there are even records of knights in medieval times suffering trauma.

It's like you missed what I posted entirely. I'm genuinely concerned you might have comprehension issues. I've covered this already.
 
That's a valid point, and why people debate whether or not there should be drug laws. But even if you do believe in drug laws and wanna point to them as an example of warranted punishment for a "victimless crime," kids still aren't punished like adults for drug offenses. We tend to not try kids as adults for most things. There are exceptions though.



It's not the understanding of the law itself that makes you an adult, but it's actual mental/emotional maturity. The kind that you should have at a certain age.



Many jobs. Not all jobs. If you wanted to take a chance on a collegeless life, you could. The option is out there. But what is your point? Do you remember?



Not true, the hormonal aspect rages until the early 20s. A big part of the whole "emotional instability" part of "dumb kid vs. stable adult."




Oh my God, this again. Know what? Go back and read the last time I addressed you saying this. I need a break from repeating myself.



It's like you missed what I posted entirely. I'm genuinely concerned you might have comprehension issues. I've covered this already.
teenagers ARE done with puberty. also, raging hormones being gone isn't required to finish puberty. that's like saying that because men in their early 20s aren't fully grown as 35 year olds, that means 21 year olds are still pubescent, because in your 30s your voice is much deeper and you're hairier than at 21.

also, according to experts on puberty, girls finish puberty at 15-17 years old and boys finish it at 16 or 17.

"On average, the onset of puberty is about 18 months earlier for girls (usually starting around the age of 10 or 11 and lasting until they are 15 to 17) than for boys (who usually begin puberty at about the age of 11 to 12 and complete it by the age of 16 to 17, on average)."

D. C. Phillips (2014). Encyclopedia of Educational Theory and Philosophy. Sage Publications. pp. 18–19. ISBN 978-1-4833-6475-9.

also, you keep making an argument over and over so i have to keep telling you the argument. it's difficult to find a job without college. teens are forced into college
 
teenagers ARE done with puberty. also, raging hormones being gone isn't required to finish puberty. that's like saying that because men in their early 20s aren't fully grown as 35 year olds, that means 21 year olds are still pubescent, because in your 30s your voice is much deeper and you're hairier than at 21.

also, according to experts on puberty, girls finish puberty at 15-17 years old and boys finish it at 16 or 17.

"On average, the onset of puberty is about 18 months earlier for girls (usually starting around the age of 10 or 11 and lasting until they are 15 to 17) than for boys (who usually begin puberty at about the age of 11 to 12 and complete it by the age of 16 to 17, on average)."

D. C. Phillips (2014). Encyclopedia of Educational Theory and Philosophy. Sage Publications. pp. 18–19. ISBN 978-1-4833-6475-9.

also, you keep making an argument over and over so i have to keep telling you the argument. it's difficult to find a job without college. teens are forced into college

The raging hormones, the irrational emotions, the impulses, these are the reasons we differentiate between teenagers and adults! God's sake, man, keep up.
 
The raging hormones, the irrational emotions, the impulses, these are the reasons we differentiate between teenagers and adults! God's sake, man, keep up.
people in their early 20s have those traits too. they aren't any different. i've seen many people in their early 20s act that way.

also, again, the infantilization of teenagers causes this shit, not the biology of teens itself. and their hormones might have something to do with reaching sexual maturity and thus needing to have sex to reproduce. surivival of the species.
 
That's a valid point, and why people debate whether or not there should be drug laws. But even if you do believe in drug laws and wanna point to them as an example of warranted punishment for a "victimless crime," kids still aren't punished like adults for drug offenses. We tend to not try kids as adults for most things. There are exceptions though.
If sex is so dangerous and damaging for them as minors, they should be tried as adults for that crime. Sex offenses usually get the most severe punishments, so they shouldn't be let off easy for that.
It's not the understanding of the law itself that makes you an adult, but it's actual mental/emotional maturity. The kind that you should have at a certain age.
Some people don't have that maturity at any age. Nt 16 year olds have more maturity than autist adults usually.
 
They don't even have anything to "heal" from if it wasn't violent and forced rape.

Also, wtf even is "complete mental health". Cmon it's subjective, you can't set a standard.
 
people in their early 20s have those traits too. they aren't any different. i've seen many people in their early 20s act that way.

also, again, the infantilization of teenagers causes this shit, not the biology of teens itself. and their hormones might have something to do with reaching sexual maturity and thus needing to have sex to reproduce. surivival of the species.

No, it's the hormones that causes this shit. Being able to reproduce doesn't mean you have the mental stability required of today's adults. Otherwise a monkey could do it.

And yes, at 20 you're still pretty young and brash. But still within stable enough range to be your own adult.

"rape ruins lives" is literally a headline that's been used: https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/l...-relationship-and-costs-over-120000/430698236

That's very much implying the victim's life is over. You don't rebuild from 'ruins'.

You can rebuild from ruins. The article doesn't say "If you're a rape victim, your life is over." In fact if you read the article, it's an interview with a rape survivor who advocates for recovery after the fact.

If sex is so dangerous and damaging for them as minors, they should be tried as adults for that crime. Sex offenses usually get the most severe punishments, so they shouldn't be let off easy for that.

Even murdering kids get tried as kids. And you're still not considering that it's a victimless crime. How many drug offending kids get tried as adults?

Some people don't have that maturity at any age. Nt 16 year olds have more maturity than autist adults usually.

Then those people are outliers. Some people are retarded and never mature. But we can't check every adult for retardation. We can only base our standard on norms. On what's common.
 
You can rebuild from ruins. The article doesn't say "If you're a rape victim, your life is over." In fact if you read the article, it's an interview with a rape survivor who advocates for recovery after the fact.
It's still a rather extreme term...

How about this instead?


STRESSED AND ANXIOUS IN PUERTO RICO said:
I was date raped seven years ago, and the man who assaulted me gave me genital herpes. I’m not someone who has ever slept around. After the rape, I told no one. I didn’t go to the police. I didn’t go to the doctor to get checked right away because I was scared the doctor would report the rape to the police and my family would find out. I felt ashamed and dirty. Two months later, I finally found the courage to see a doctor. I realized I had genital herpes because I got a sore and went to get tested.
STRESSED AND ANXIOUS IN PUERTO RICO said:
I’m now friends with a guy and feel like every time I meet someone I have to tell him I have herpes because I’m not the kind of person who lies or keeps secrets. My friend seems really interested in me, and I know I need to tell him.
STRESSED AND ANXIOUS IN PUERTO RICO said:
I feel like my life is over, and I’ll never be able to have kids or marry because of this disease. It’s like the man who raped me has killed my social life and my desire to live.

Abby replies life is "far from over" so she obviously isn't feeding into the meme, but I think it's evidence of the meme propagating subtly somehow.
 
Even murdering kids get tried as kids. And you're still not considering that it's a victimless crime. How many drug offending kids get tried as adults?
They still get some punishment for doing and selling drugs, not let go to do those crimes as they please. Plus, according to you they're both victims for having sex young, so it's not a victimless crime, which means it should be punished hard.
Then those people are outliers. Some people are retarded and never mature. But we can't check every adult for retardation. We can only base our standard on norms. On what's common.
You can't judge people that broadly. Everything has to go case by case in order to accommodate abnormalities.
 
JFL if you think sex crimes are victimless. Unwanted sex is ass, especially for women who are sensitive. Guys, so long as the dick doesn't bend and there's no hygiene issue it's mostly mentally that it fucks you, not physically. But who am I to talk.

The best thing is that it's never hot guys seen as "meat' that get raped, it's losers who some women take advantage of instead of incelling, I've read about this on redpill sites in the past. Terrible shit. Guys are never given credit for what they say because of the exact gender roles women claim they want to get rid of, no way guys can't get raped by women, noooo! Hypocrisy beyond belief when ANYONE says that gender roles need abolishing but then also that men are stronger than women all the time no matter what. That's not how averages work in stats.
 
It's still a rather extreme term...

How about this instead?






Abby replies life is "far from over" so she obviously isn't feeding into the meme, but I think it's evidence of the meme propagating subtly somehow.

If I was raped and given herpes, I would feel crushed too. Victims are warranted their sadness, same as we are.

They still get some punishment for doing and selling drugs, not let go to do those crimes as they please. Plus, according to you they're both victims for having sex young, so it's not a victimless crime, which means it should be punished hard.

But you can't rape yourself, therefore it's victimless by definition. A victimless crime, committed by a teenager? It's too low on the totem pole to punish.

You can't judge people that broadly. Everything has to go case by case in order to accommodate abnormalities.

You can't make laws that way. How would we decide when someone is allowed to do a thing? We can't evaluate billions of people at every point of contact.
 
But you can't rape yourself, therefore it's victimless by definition. A victimless crime, committed by a teenager? It's too low on the totem pole to punish.
You can "rape yourself" if it causes damage, like you say it does. Since all underage sex causes damage then there will be negative effects of them raping themselves. People who try to commit suicide only hurt themselves, but they still get put into the mental hospital for trying to harm themselves.
You can't make laws that way. How would we decide when someone is allowed to do a thing? We can't evaluate billions of people at every point of contact.
That's the point of going to trial and having a lawyer, so you can show you're innocent because you have your own circumstances.
 
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You can "rape yourself" if it causes damage, like you say it does. Since all underage sex causes damage then there will be negative effects of them raping themselves. People who try to commit suicide only hurt themselves, but they still get put into the mental hospital for trying to harm themselves.

Mental hospitals aren't a punishment. Also , your parents have authority over you and have to be the ones to commit you. So if a teenager has a sex problem, their parents can commit them to a clinic.

That's the point of going to trial and having a lawyer, so you can show you're innocent because you have your own circumstances.

So we're gonna have millions and billions of trials any time someone wants to do an adult thing?
 
Mental hospitals aren't a punishment. Also , your parents have authority over you and have to be the ones to commit you. So if a teenager has a sex problem, their parents can commit them to a clinic.
If a teen is suicidal they go to the mental hospital whether their parents commit them or not. It will only be up to the parents to commit them if it's for something minor, like drug abuse, but sex is very damaging for teens so they must be forced to go to mental hospitals when they engage in permanently harmful sexual activities.
So we're gonna have millions and billions of trials any time someone wants to do an adult thing?
It doesn't matter how many trials it takes to prove someone is innocent. Better 100 guilty men go free than to imprison an innocent one.
 
If a teen is suicidal they go to the mental hospital whether their parents commit them or not. It will only be up to the parents to commit them if it's for something minor, like drug abuse, but sex is very damaging for teens so they must be forced to go to mental hospitals when they engage in permanently harmful sexual activities.

How does that work? There are plenty of suicidal people in the world, I've never heard of the cops coming to your house and rounding you up just for expressing suicidal tendencies. Otherwise r/Suicidewatch would be a honeypot, wouldn't it?

It doesn't matter how many trials it takes to prove someone is innocent. Better 100 guilty men go free than to imprison an innocent one.

That's not how keeping people safe works. Age of consent is about keeping kids safe, not about making sure worthy adults get to have sex. Better 100 innocent men be "imprisoned" than to let 1 guilty man go free. That's how the analogy works when it comes to stopping bad guys. The priority is stopping bad guys.
 
How does that work? There are plenty of suicidal people in the world, I've never heard of the cops coming to your house and rounding you up just for expressing suicidal tendencies. Otherwise r/Suicidewatch would be a honeypot, wouldn't it?
Talking about it isn't the same as doing it. If the teens are having sex then they're already doing the damage, which they need to be prevented from doing.
That's not how keeping people safe works. Age of consent is about keeping kids safe, not about making sure worthy adults get to have sex. Better 100 innocent men be "imprisoned" than to let 1 guilty man go free. That's how the analogy works when it comes to stopping bad guys. The priority is stopping bad guys.
That's cucked to imprison innocent people just to get one bad guy. I bet you wouldn't be ok with sending 100 innocent foids to life in prison, to make sure one foid who's guilty spends life in prison.
 
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I've known this for years by now but a lot of people don't like to accept the truth. If a girl gets raped she can adjust quite quickly and can go on to lead a perfectly normal life. Society & the media want to paint her as a ForeverVictim and a lot of stupid whores succumb to that type of thinking. It's a cycle where they just get louder and louder and scream for more laws to 'protect' society and them. In the end it all means nothing

Same with sexual contact with little girls. It is perfectly fine for them to experiment and want cock but society pins the label as it is 'bad' so they reel away from that type of normal behavior and pin any sexual relationships as abuse. The reality is that these relationships can be good for them growing up. Many can even work out to the benefit of both individuals but society would rather paint 'all bad' or 'all good' on many things and never see the nuances on certain subjects.
BELIEVE ALL WOMEN!!
ALL FEMALES UNDER 18 ARE LITERAL CHILDREN!! (except when I do it and I'm exploring my sexuality tee-hee. Legal for me but illegal for you)
 
Talking about it isn't the same as doing it. If the teens are having sex then they're already doing the damage, which they need to be prevented from doing.

Even if someone does attempt it, I've never heard of that being grounds for immediate arrest and commitment. That's usually up to the parents, I thought.

That's cucked to imprison innocent people just to get one bad guy. I bet you wouldn't be ok with sending 100 innocent foids to life in prison, to make sure one foid who's guilty spends life in prison.

I mean with regard to your analogy. When it comes to preventing kids from getting fucked by adults, that's the analogy. When it comes to preventing kids from getting fucked by adults, we don't try and find out "Which one should be allowed to fuck this kid?" No, we try and find out "Who definitely shouldn't be fucking this kid?"
 
If I was raped and given herpes, I would feel crushed too.
Victims are warranted their sadness, same as we are.
Sad 4 rape/herpes (or both) is fine.

If saying putting internal monologue 'my life is over' to paper helps to confront exaggerated thinking that can be a good thing, but I wish people could recognize that's BS on their own without needing Abby to tell them.

Hell even getting HIV it's not over it's just HUGE burden taking the drugs to slow it.
 
Even if someone does attempt it, I've never heard of that being grounds for immediate arrest and commitment. That's usually up to the parents, I thought.
No, it will definitely cause them to get arrested if they're caught trying to commit suicide, and went passed just talking about it. The same punishment should be done to teens who have sex, because they ruin their entire lives from it.
I mean with regard to your analogy. When it comes to preventing kids from getting fucked by adults, that's the analogy. When it comes to preventing kids from getting fucked by adults, we don't try and find out "Which one should be allowed to fuck this kid?" No, we try and find out "Who definitely shouldn't be fucking this kid?"
That's a normie mainstream media way of thinking of it. Kids fucking isn't even a big deal obviously. Every case is different and should be judged on its own circumstances. That's what trials and lawyers are for.
 
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No, it will definitely cause them to get arrested if they're caught trying to commit suicide, and went passed just talking about it. The same punishment should be done to teens who have sex, because they ruin their entire lives from it.

How does that work? Suppose I swallow a bunch of pills and sleep on it. What happens? How do the police catch me?

That's a normie mainstream media way of thinking of it. Every case is different and should be judged on its own circumstances. That's what trials and lawyers are for.

But it's not practical to check everyone in the country/world having sex. So we write laws based on what's normal. Aberrations exist, but those are aberrations. The only practical thing is base our laws around what's normal.
 
How does that work? Suppose I swallow a bunch of pills and sleep on it. What happens? How do the police catch me?
Because you go to the hospital if you don't end up dying, then you're caught there.
But it's not practical to check everyone in the country/world having sex. So we write laws based on what's normal. Aberrations exist, but those are aberrations. The only practical thing is base our laws around what's normal.
Laws are written very long and complicated for a reason. To make exceptions for the people that need it. It won't take long to add a law that says adult autists and retards won't be arrested for having sex with teens. Judging people as groups is what racism and sexism is.
 
No, it's the hormones that causes this shit. Being able to reproduce doesn't mean you have the mental stability required of today's adults. Otherwise a monkey could do it.

And yes, at 20 you're still pretty young and brash. But still within stable enough range to be your own adult.



You can rebuild from ruins. The article doesn't say "If you're a rape victim, your life is over." In fact if you read the article, it's an interview with a rape survivor who advocates for recovery after the fact.



Even murdering kids get tried as kids. And you're still not considering that it's a victimless crime. How many drug offending kids get tried as adults?



Then those people are outliers. Some people are retarded and never mature. But we can't check every adult for retardation. We can only base our standard on norms. On what's common.
dude, people still have extreme hormones and high sex drive in their early 20s, why do you think people are promiscuous at that age? also, reaching sexual maturity DOES mean you are evolutionarily able to be an adult, otherwise nature would've made puberty happen much later, and in the paleolithic age, girls menarche age was usually between 7 and 13 years old, making it the evolutionary age. there's NO difference between a 20 year old and a 17 year old. hormones don't cause immaturity. infantilization does.

also, many feminists like to say "rape ruins lives" and that rape victims never heal
I've known this for years by now but a lot of people don't like to accept the truth. If a girl gets raped she can adjust quite quickly and can go on to lead a perfectly normal life. Society & the media want to paint her as a ForeverVictim and a lot of stupid whores succumb to that type of thinking. It's a cycle where they just get louder and louder and scream for more laws to 'protect' society and them. In the end it all means nothing

Same with sexual contact with little girls. It is perfectly fine for them to experiment and want cock but society pins the label as it is 'bad' so they reel away from that type of normal behavior and pin any sexual relationships as abuse. The reality is that these relationships can be good for them growing up. Many can even work out to the benefit of both individuals but society would rather paint 'all bad' or 'all good' on many things and never see the nuances on certain subjects.
BELIEVE ALL WOMEN!!
ALL FEMALES UNDER 18 ARE LITERAL CHILDREN!! (except when I do it and I'm exploring my sexuality tee-hee. Legal for me but illegal for you)
according to feminists, anyone under 21 is a child
 
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Because you go to the hospital if you don't end up dying, then you're caught there.

So someone has to call 911, and then I need to be taken to a hospital. But how long am I supposed to be committed? Who decides that and how?

Laws are written very long and complicated for a reason. To make exceptions for the people that need it. It won't take long to add a law that says adult autists and retards won't be arrested for having sex with teens. Judging people as groups is what racism and sexism is.

No, racism is judging people by race, which is wrong. Sexism is judging people by sex, which is wrong. Judging people by confirmed science is just being accurate.

And we already do let the mentally unwell off for not knowing better. "Reason of insanity" and stuff like that. If you're retarded enough, your crimes can be dismissed. But you have to be retarded enough. Like I said earlier, just being autistic is not enough of a handicap for you to not be a competent adult.

dude, people still have extreme hormones and high sex drive in their early 20s, why do you think people are promiscuous at that age?

I never said they didn't. Just not to the level a teenager does. By your 20s you're stable enough to make your own mistakes.

also, reaching sexual maturity DOES mean you are evolutionarily able to be an adult, otherwise nature would've made puberty happen much later

Nature doesn't decide how competent we want our adults. Nature just decides when you can have children. What we call an "adult" needs to not just be able to have children, but be at a certain mental stability.

and in the paleolithic age, girls menarche age was usually between 7 and 13 years old, making it the evolutionary age. there's NO difference between a 20 year old and a 17 year old. hormones don't cause immaturity. infantilization does.

Hormones cause irrationality and impulsiveness. I've already explained this to you.

also, many feminists like to say "rape ruins lives" and that rape victims never heal

Some never heal. But that doesn't mean healing is factually impossible for all people.
 
So someone has to call 911, and then I need to be taken to a hospital. But how long am I supposed to be committed? Who decides that and how?



No, racism is judging people by race, which is wrong. Sexism is judging people by sex, which is wrong. Judging people by confirmed science is just being accurate.

And we already do let the mentally unwell off for not knowing better. "Reason of insanity" and stuff like that. If you're retarded enough, your crimes can be dismissed. But you have to be retarded enough. Like I said earlier, just being autistic is not enough of a handicap for you to not be a competent adult.



I never said they didn't. Just not to the level a teenager does. By your 20s you're stable enough to make your own mistakes.



Nature doesn't decide how competent we want our adults. Nature just decides when you can have children. What we call an "adult" needs to not just be able to have children, but be at a certain mental stability.



Hormones cause irrationality and impulsiveness. I've already explained this to you.



Some never heal. But that doesn't mean healing is factually impossible for all people.
like i said, it isn't hormones that cause immaturity, hormones just cause a high sex drive. teenagers in their late teens are only immature because society raises them to be children until 21. they aren't inherently immature regardless. also, at 21, your hormones are almost the same as they are at 17. also, nature does decide that you're mature at the end of puberty. if a post-pubescent teenager can become a parent by nature, nature intended them to be mature, and there's NO evidence that they were always immature throughout history. how they're raised is what made them immature.
 
So someone has to call 911, and then I need to be taken to a hospital. But how long am I supposed to be committed? Who decides that and how?
They should be put in there for months, or years for re-offenders. Because it's very damaging for them to engage in adult activities.
No, racism is judging people by race, which is wrong. Sexism is judging people by sex, which is wrong. Judging people by confirmed science is just being accurate.

And we already do let the mentally unwell off for not knowing better. "Reason of insanity" and stuff like that. If you're retarded enough, your crimes can be dismissed. But you have to be retarded enough. Like I said earlier, just being autistic is not enough of a handicap for you to not be a competent adult.
Autism doesn't get enough credit for how limiting it can make you. Normie cucks want to cope and act like we're normal since we don't act completely retarded. Teens are way more mature than autists, that should be in the laws.
 
like i said, it isn't hormones that cause immaturity, hormones just cause a high sex drive. teenagers in their late teens are only immature because society raises them to be children until 21. they aren't inherently immature regardless. also, at 21, your hormones are almost the same as they are at 17. also, nature does decide that you're mature at the end of puberty. if a post-pubescent teenager can become a parent by nature, nature intended them to be mature, and there's NO evidence that they were always immature throughout history. how they're raised is what made them immature.

You don't understand what "mature" means. I've tried to explain it to you, and I've repeated myself too many times already. Go back and review the coursework.

They should be put in there for months, or years for re-offenders. Because it's very damaging for them to engage in adult activities.

No, I'm asking what presently happens right now in the real world. If I get taken to a hospital for trying to kill myself.

Autism doesn't get enough credit for how limiting it can make you. Normie cucks want to cope and act like we're normal since we don't act completely retarded. Teens are way more mature than autists, that should be in the laws.

I'm almost certainly autistic. But I'm still a far cry from a normie teenager.
 
They should be put in there for months, or years for re-offenders. Because it's very damaging for them to engage in adult activities.

Autism doesn't get enough credit for how limiting it can make you. Normie cucks want to cope and act like we're normal since we don't act completely retarded. Teens are way more mature than autists, that should be in the laws.
i'm an autistic 22 year old, but i'm apparently more mature than a 16 year old who gets good grades and is independent according to bluepillers
You don't understand what "mature" means. I've tried to explain it to you, and I've repeated myself too many times already. Go back and review the coursework.



No, I'm asking what presently happens right now in the real world. If I get taken to a hospital for trying to kill myself.



I'm almost certainly autistic. But I'm still a far cry from a normie teenager.
if post-pubescent teenagers are inherently immature, they would've been sexually immature and physically immature during all of history. they were evolutionarily meant to be mature because they now are capable of being parents. they're only immature because we treat them like toddlers
 
No, I'm asking what presently happens right now in the real world. If I get taken to a hospital for trying to kill myself.
You get put on meds and not allowed to use any communication for a few weeks or months, until they see that you're not suicidal any more.
I'm almost certainly autistic. But I'm still a far cry from a normie teenager.
I'm autistic and know for a fact normie teens have tons more mental advantages than me.
 
You get put on meds and not allowed to use any communication for a few weeks or months, until they see that you're not suicidal any more.

I'm autistic and know for a fact normie teens have tons more mental advantages than me.
autism makes people less mentally advanced
 
They can't even hold conversation properly, or maintain eye contact.
exactly but according to cucks, they are more mature than a 16 year old who is gonna get into harvard
 
You get put on meds and not allowed to use any communication for a few weeks or months, until they see that you're not suicidal any more.

Who pays for that?
 
I agree with @FrothySolutions that teenagers are immature. That's why they need an older husband to take care of them :feelsthink:
 
I agree with @FrothySolutions that teenagers are immature. That's why they need an older husband to take care of them :feelsthink:
in other societies where teen girls married older guys they weren't traumatized at all. society's strong disapproval is what traumatizes them. i bet in the 50s usa, white foids who dated black guys claim to be "traumatized" by it
 

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