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"Unlimited Void isn't an attack so her contract wouldn't redirect it," has got to be the dumbest argument in Gojo vs Makima discussions, by far

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For real:feelskek:. To be clear, despite the repurposed Makima panel in my signature, I lean towards Gojo winning this matchup on average, in the 65-70 wins out of 100 fights sense, but he's winning thanks to his vastly superior AP/firepower, abilities that are much more optimized for combat, and much better defence, not because, "UV isn't an attack:soy::soy:." There's no proof that Makima can regenerate from nothing, and basically all of Gojo's regular techniques can be used to completely destroy her body if he manages to hit her in the right way and completely vaporize her, and that's what's winning this for him. I get that a lot of 15-year-old JJK fans love the mental image of their favourite character winning this highly debated fight with his coolest and ultimate technique, instead of his regular techniques having to do the job, but the tortured logic they are using to justify it is painful to read:feelskek:.

"It's not an attack, it's just information overload:soy::soy:!" Yeah, and? It's an attack via information/sensory overload, then. Anything that incapacitates you and sets you to die unless you get help (all of those poor suckers in Shibuya who got 0.2 seconded would've died from dehydration unless they got hospitalized) is an attack, there's absolutely no way around it. Saying that something isn't an attack just because it doesn't kill you instantly or "just" paralyzes/incapacitates you is a pure "I'm 14 and this is deep:soy:"-tier "argument." If something takes aways someone's ability to fight back against you and allows you to kill them at will, it's an attack, it's that simple.

By that same logic, tasering someone wouldn't count as an attack, because it's non-lethal and "just" overwhelms a target's nervous system to paralyze them:feelshaha:, which is exactly what UV does as well, it's just focused on the brain instead of hitting the wider nervous system, unless the argument is that tasering hurts, and that makes it an attack:feelskek:.

"It's just sensory overload, that can't count as an attack:soy:!" OK boyo:hax:.


Do I even need to provide a more thorough argument than just linking this article:feelsjuice::feelshaha:. The mere fact that stun grenades exist and aren't being freely sold in malls or whatever is proof that, in real life, sensory overload leading to people being temporarily incapacitated and helpless is a dangerous attack and that access to weapons capable of causing it must be tightly regulated.

Me going to the court after a spree of throwing flashbangs at kindergarteners, knowing that my attorney found a bunch of Gojo fans who will explain to the judge that overwhelming someone's senses isn't actually an attack be like:

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Gojo loses because he is a Japanese citizen himself, that's my logic
 
even if she does redirect it she’ll blow through her entire supply in less then a second
 
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the superior gender wins again
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Gojo loses because he is a Japanese citizen himself, that's my logic
That's always a possibility:feelshaha:, but for the sake of both sides having a reasonable win condition, I think that assuming that completely disintegrating her body destroys her is reasonable.

even if she does redirect it she’ll blow through her entire supply in less then a second
That gets brought up sometimes, but I don't really see the logic for why UV would be divided. A physical attack wouldn't get divided like that, so there's no real reason why a mental one would. Santa Claus did get defeated by Cosmos using a UV-like attack in that way, but she and her thralls were basically an interlinked hive/tribe mind, not completely seperate individuals, and she tried to do it instantly, whereas Makima's contract seems to usually take some time and then transfer the damage in full. There's also the bit about her contract diverting the attacks as "appropriate" injuries and illnesses, which complicates it even further, since it implies that instead of UV itself being diverted into somebody's brain, it could simply cause somebody to randomly fall permanently comatose from natural causes.

So yeah, I don't really see why Makima couldn't pull a Sukuna and have a single other person take the UV instead of her, if only after being incapacitated by it for a couple of moments like he was.

foids are inferior and cringemaxxed
seethe and cope
the superior gender wins again
humans: 1
foids and eunuchs: 0
And I'm not doubting that:feelsokman::feelsthink:, just pointing out that this one attack probably wouldn't be it and it'd have to be an HP or a full power Blue/Red instead.
 
That's always a possibility:feelshaha:, but for the sake of both sides having a reasonable win condition, I think that assuming that completely disintegrating her body destroys her is reasonable.


That gets brought up sometimes, but I don't really see the logic for why UV would be divided. A physical attack wouldn't get divided like that, so there's no real reason why a mental one would. Santa Claus did get defeated by Cosmos using a UV-like attack in that way, but she and her thralls were basically an interlinked hive/tribe mind, not completely seperate individuals, and she tried to do it instantly, whereas Makima's contract seems to usually take some time and then transfer the damage in full. There's also the bit about her contract diverting the attacks as "appropriate" injuries and illnesses, which complicates it even further, since it implies that instead of UV itself being diverted into somebody's brain, it could simply cause somebody to randomly fall permanently comatose from natural causes.

So yeah, I don't really see why Makima couldn't pull a Sukuna and have a single other person take the UV instead of her, if only after being incapacitated by it for a couple of moments like he was.


And I'm not doubting that:feelsokman::feelsthink:, just pointing out that this one attack probably wouldn't be it and it'd have to be an HP or a full power Blue/Red instead.
I honestly don't care as long as the foid loses.
 
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There's no proof that Makima can regenerate from nothing, and basically all of Gojo's regular techniques can be used to completely destroy her body if he manages to hit her in the right way and completely vaporize her, and that's what's winning this for him.
OK, outdated info, scratch that I guess.

Yoru just came back from being at the epicenter of her nuke-tier attack with zero problem. Since all the Horsemen except Death have consistently been shown to, at best, be a bit more durable than the human women they look like (and even Death doesn't have that many durability feats), there's a 99% chance that she was completely vaporized and her contract saved her anyway. Since death has now been erased, that means that even the one cosmetic difference between Makima's and Yoru's contracts is gone, and so the former should have no problem replicating that feat, and in fact is in a better position to do so given that Japan's population at that time was about three times bigger than California's.

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I guess this is now either a tie as neither party can defeat or destroy the other, or Makima ultimately wins.
 

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