Ukrainian army massing now for the battles to come in SE Ukraine

[WizardofSoda]

If the Russians get beaten to a pulp and flee here I really think it is over for Russia. If on the other hand Russia surprises us and holds on and expands to get control of these 4 provinces, then Russia could legitimately claim a substantial victory even at heavy cost.

My feeling is the Russians are going to take brutal losses until they eventually break ranks and retreat.

 

[kretschmer]

russia is already a huge joke. their pitiful invasion barely got further than their starting points, and they couldn't even hold on to most of their already pathetic gains. NATO didn't even have to strike russia directly its shitty proxy did the job for them. all russia has id its nukes.

 

[CrackingYs]

Thank heavens, cause the war has been so boring for weeks. Russia has been such a fucking disappointment so far. It's just sad. Putin has really dug Russia into a deep hole and I don't see how they can come out of this with anything resembling a win. And Ukraine has been receiving tons of modern weapons for a while now that probably haven't been used yet and could really spell trouble for Russia. I think the Russians are really fucked.

I'm still holding out hope we will get to see a nuke dropped on Zelensky's head.

 

[WizardofSoda]

russia is already a huge joke. their pitiful invasion barely got further than their starting points, and they couldn't even hold on to most of their already pathetic gains. NATO didn't even have to strike russia directly its shitty proxy did the job for them. all russia has id its nukes.

Ya the Russian army is this 1970's era military equipment. It would be way behind in technology even this was the 1991 Gulf War.

When at the end of week 2 how weak the Russian army is, I believed the USA isn't going to stop now until Russia is conquered. It might not happen all at once, but the advantage NATO has is so overwhelming I can't see America passing this up.

 

[Quarantined]

russians couldn't flatten cities because they wanted to install a puppet government which would be impossible if the ukrainian people hated them,
so tried to be seen as liberators of a western backed regime

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I'm still holding out hope we will get to see a nuke dropped on Zelensky's head.

Might seriously be Russia's last hope to drop a nuke in order to save their pride.

Ukraine might lack nuclear weapons but even if it isn't part of NATO I'm not sure if there ever will be a retaliatory attack from the U.S. should Russia take that route.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Thank heavens, cause the war has been so boring for weeks. Russia has been such a fucking disappointment so far. It's just sad. Putin has really dug Russia into a deep hole and I don't see how they can come out of this with anything resembling a win. And Ukraine has been receiving tons of modern weapons for a while now that probably haven't been used yet and could really spell trouble for Russia. I think the Russians are really fucked.

I'm still holding out hope we will get to see a nuke dropped on Zelensky's head.

Ya I knew Russia was a very backwards and horrifically corrupt country going into the war. But I at least thought they had a big time army, and a ton of okish new military equipment. And subpar but still sort of ok military contractors.

One reason Moscow's power will be at an end imo is it will show unarguably the corruption in the country. The Russians won't blame their soldiers for losing they will blame the corrupt government for not actually buying the military equipment. Which that was with public money, that the Russian people thought they were buying.

Russian soldiers imo have fought bravely.. no one is going to take losses like that and just shrug it off and keep fighting. It is terror inducing when say in a few weeks 50 men out of 500 in a division die, and the losses keep coming.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Might seriously be Russia's last hope to drop a nuke in order to save their pride.

Ukraine might lack nuclear weapons but even if it isn't part of NATO I'm not sure if there ever will be a retaliatory attack from the U.S. should Russia take that route.

Something I have believed for a long time now is all the alleged technology the Soviet Union had like nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines, men flying around in outer space, space stations, hell even nuclear reactors, rockets that can go all the way around the world, that its all fake.

 

[crestfallencel]

hope we will get to see a nuke

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Ya I knew Russia was a very backwards and horrifically corrupt country going into the war. But I at least thought they had a big time army, and a ton of okish new military equipment. And subpar but still sort of ok military contractors.

One reason Moscow's power will be at an end imo is it will show unarguably the corruption in the country. The Russians won't blame their soldiers for losing they will blame the corrupt government for not actually buying the military equipment. Which that was with public money, that the Russian people thought they were buying.

Russian soldiers imo have fought bravely.. no one is going to take losses like that and just shrug it off and keep fighting. It is terror inducing when say in a few weeks 50 men out of 500 in a division die, and the losses keep coming.

They are still holding on to old Soviet equipment from over half a century ago.

Something I have believed for a long time now is all the alleged technology the Soviet Union had like nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines, men flying around in outer space, space stations, hell even nuclear reactors, rockets that can go all the way around the world, that its all fake.

Nukes are real. But it is possible many of the technology they claim to have is fake in order boost morale with propaganda.

Same with the American moon landings, it was staged and never happened IRL.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Thank heavens, cause the war has been so boring for weeks. Russia has been such a fucking disappointment so far. It's just sad. Putin has really dug Russia into a deep hole and I don't see how they can come out of this with anything resembling a win. And Ukraine has been receiving tons of modern weapons for a while now that probably haven't been used yet and could really spell trouble for Russia. I think the Russians are really fucked.

I'm still holding out hope we will get to see a nuke dropped on Zelensky's head.

Legit, Russia has fucked up, the war really hasn't been as spicy as I was expecting.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Legit, Russia has fucked up, the war really hasn't been as spicy as I was expecting.

All those people died in vain. Russia shouldn't had invaded in the first place even if it meant Ukraine joining NATO.

 

[Uninvited]

Ukraine can mobilise millions of men for defense, some of these kitted out with weapons from NATO which are easily capable of taking out dated Russian tanks, helicopters and planes.
Putin does not have the numbers for a big invasion now, he needed a quick victory to surround Kiev and remove the government there.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

All those people died in vain. Russia shouldn't had invaded in the first place even if it meant Ukraine joining NATO.

true Putin is low IQ for making this move.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Ukraine can mobilise millions of men for defense, some of these kitted out with weapons from NATO which are easily capable of taking out dated Russian tanks, helicopters and planes.
Putin does not have the numbers for a big invasion now, he needed a quick victory to surround Kiev and remove the government there.

Ya thats the problem with attacking a place, let alone an insanely vast and populace country like Ukraine that also has an extremely spread out population like other European countries. If that place also has someone big behind them with money, weapons, ammo, supplies, or the country has shitloads of extra military equipment and huge stores of fuel and ammo. Is you can get millions of men mobilized.

Thats how the US got worn down in Vietnam.. and that was even with the South Vietnamese government who was on America's side, and significant numbers of South Vietnamese who didn't want to go Communist.

 

[CrackingYs]

Might seriously be Russia's last hope to drop a nuke in order to save their pride.

Ukraine might lack nuclear weapons but even if it isn't part of NATO I'm not sure if there ever will be a retaliatory attack from the U.S. should Russia take that route.

Yeah if Kiev gets turned to glass what is any NATO country going to do? NATO would have to go on the offensive to attack Russia even on Ukrainian soil and apparently NATO only defends their own territory. And they can't exactly start sanctioning Russia cause that's already happened. Biden would just sit around and hope his adult diapers don't leak.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Yeah if Kiev gets turned to glass what is any NATO country going to do? NATO would have to go on the offensive to attack Russia even on Ukrainian soil and apparently NATO only defends their own territory. And they can't exactly start sanctioning Russia cause that's already happened. Biden would just sit around and hope his adult diapers don't leak.

I want to know how this would end tbh.

I don't think a simple peaceful ceasefire will happen any time soon considering that Russia now has most of Eastern Ukraine occupied and the Ukrainian military is now under way to reclaim that.

 

[CrackingYs]

I want to know how this would end tbh.

I don't think a simple peaceful ceasefire will happen any time soon considering that Russia now has most of Eastern Ukraine occupied and the Ukrainian military is now under way to reclaim that.

Dont forget America used a nuke on Japan and nobody did shit to America in the 80 fucking years since. The whole world knew the jews in America weren't fucking around anymore. Either bow down to the almight jew or they'll drop a nuke on you.

Daddy Vlad wants the same level of respect. Kim Jong Un also. And all the other countries that are trying to build nukes now that they see how having nukes is the only way to gain the respect of the world superpowers.

I legit think NATO would have no fucking clue what to do if a nuke gets used on Ukraine. Hopefully Putin comes to the conclusion that dropping the nuke will have more advantages than disadvantages, and it won't lead to WW2, it will just end Ukraine and the world will just bend over and let Russia have it.

 

[WizardofSoda]

I want to know how this would end tbh.

I don't think a simple peaceful ceasefire will happen any time soon considering that Russia now has most of Eastern Ukraine occupied and the Ukrainian military is now under way to reclaim that.

Ya I don't see this Ukraine war ending besides Russia getting pushed out, and I think Ukraine will go for Crimea too if Russia flees SE Ukraine.

If Russia does well enough after a long enough fight Ukraine could be exhausted. The problem is NATO can start sending Ukraine bigger weapons systems if needed.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Dont forget America used a nuke on Japan and nobody did shit to America in the 80 fucking years since. The whole world knew the jews in America weren't fucking around anymore. Either bow down to the almight jew or they'll drop a nuke on you.

Daddy Vlad wants the same level of respect. Kim Jong Un also. And all the other countries that are trying to build nukes now that they see how having nukes is the only way to gain the respect of the world superpowers.

I legit think NATO would have no fucking clue what to do if a nuke gets used on Ukraine. Hopefully Putin comes to the conclusion that dropping the nuke will have more advantages than disadvantages, and it won't lead to WW2, it will just end Ukraine and the world will just bend over and let Russia have it.

The situation with Japan during World War II was very different, since the world viewed Japan at the time as antagonistic considering that they were the aggressors in that they attacked Pearl Harbor and were amassing a large empire in Asia while committing genocide against the Chinese, not to mention Japan was one of the Axis powers aligned with Nazi Germany. So nuking Japan was seen as justified and a necessary evil, and it was at a time where only the U.S. had practical nukes.

The current situation now is that Ukraine is viewed as the victim and Russia as an aggressor. So if Russia was to nuke Ukraine everyone would have a different reaction and call for a retaliatory attack against Russia. Even if technically it isn't obligatory to do so since Ukraine isn't part of NATO, it seems like they would punish Russia very harshly if they took that route.

Ya I don't see this Ukraine war ending besides Russia getting pushed out, and I think Ukraine will go for Crimea too if Russia flees SE Ukraine.

If Russia does well enough after a long enough fight Ukraine could be exhausted. The problem is NATO can start sending Ukraine bigger weapons systems if needed.

I still think Russia won't back down so easily. Russia attacked Ukraine in the first place due to fear that Ukraine might join NATO and thus undermining Russia's breadth of influence. In other words, Russia is sort of in an existencial crisis and now that they are this far in the conflict, they won't back down that easily and will try to hold back with everything they can.

 

[WizardofSoda]

I still think Russia won't back down so easily. Russia attacked Ukraine in the first place due to fear that Ukraine might join NATO and thus undermining Russia's breadth of influence. In other words, Russia is sort of in an existencial crisis and now that they are this far in the conflict, they won't back down that easily and will try to hold back with everything they can.

Ya I think Russia has to use everything they can to win this fight in SE Ukraine. Thing is I don't think Russian soldiers will hold on even 6 weeks if they start taking losses like happened in the North of Ukraine. Because it would be hopeless at that point. Imo they will retreat back to their bases regardless of orders from Moscow.

On the other hand if the Russians are doing well and the Ukrainians aren't making much progress, or ideally for the Russians if they are advancing and taking the entirety of these 4 provinces, then Russia can stay in and even gain strength.

 

[CrackingYs]

I still think Russia won't back down so easily. Russia attacked Ukraine in the first place due to fear that Ukraine might join NATO and thus undermining Russia's breadth of influence. In other words, Russia is sort of in an existencial crisis and now that they are this far in the conflict, they won't back down that easily and will try to hold back with everything they can.

It could end up being sort of a drawn out continuous battlezone for a decade or more. Eventually Donbas and like 100km of the Ukraine border will become "contested land" with occasional battles. Russia will use the ongoing conflict as a warning to all other countries who might want to fuck around with Russia. It's almost like Putin is baiting NATO to get involved so he has a reason to nuke all of them.

Meanwhile, Russia and China and other anti-west countries begin building an alternate global economy while America and the EU slowly go bankrupt and their economies shrink, their currencies hyperinflate, and everyone becomes poor.

Good times ahead

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Ya I think Russia has to use everything they can to win this fight in SE Ukraine. Thing is I don't think Russian soldiers will hold on even 6 weeks if they start taking losses like happened in the North of Ukraine. Because it would be hopeless at that point. Imo they will retreat back to their bases regardless of orders from Moscow.

On the other hand if the Russians are doing well and the Ukrainians aren't making much progress, or ideally for the Russians if they are advancing and taking the entirety of these 4 provinces, then Russia can stay in and even gain strength.

If Russia does lose, then that would hurt their pride and Putin's image. Russia is already in a decline and unable to hold back Western intrusions. I don't know what Russia's future will be after this tbh, they say that it might economically collapse which have been accelerated by sanctions against it.

Considering that Russia has nukes, it's possible, if Putin was that crazy and really desperate, to use nukes on Ukraine as an ultimatum if there was no other way for the Russian military to keep up with Ukrainians and as a way to flex that they are still capable.

But that would also lead to retaliation which means that U.S. might be lead to nuke Russia, and whether or not that might lead to Russia or even China from launching their own retaliatory attack on the U.S. or NATO.

It might be possible that even if Russia nukes Ukraine it might not be worth it to attack Russia if there was no further threat to NATO countries in Europe, and instead let sanctions do the work to collapse Russia's economy.

It could end up being sort of a drawn out continuous battlezone for a decade or more. Eventually Donbas and like 100km of the Ukraine border will become "contested land" with occasional battles. Russia will use the ongoing conflict as a warning to all other countries who might want to fuck around with Russia. It's almost like Putin is baiting NATO to get involved so he has a reason to nuke all of them.

If Ukraine does manage to take back their eastern front and Russia gets too weak that they decide to just back off, then it might just stay where it was before.

Meanwhile, Russia and China and other anti-west countries begin building an alternate global economy while America and the EU slowly go bankrupt and their economies shrink, their currencies hyperinflate, and everyone becomes poor.

Good times ahead

I don't think China is any better than the West, tbh.

 

[WizardofSoda]

It could end up being sort of a drawn out continuous battlezone for a decade or more. Eventually Donbas and like 100km of the Ukraine border will become "contested land" with occasional battles. Russia will use the ongoing conflict as a warning to all other countries who might want to fuck around with Russia. It's almost like Putin is baiting NATO to get involved so he has a reason to nuke all of them.

Meanwhile, Russia and China and other anti-west countries begin building an alternate global economy while America and the EU slowly go bankrupt and their economies shrink, their currencies hyperinflate, and everyone becomes poor.

Good times ahead

That is true even though the area looks small on the map, that is only because the Ukraine is so vast at 600,000 sq/km, in reality Russia currently controls a huge area in SE Ukraine. Assuming Russia has a lot of strength left this could go on for a long time with back and forth fighting.

 

[WizardofSoda]

If Russia does lose, then that would hurt their pride and Putin's image. Russia is already in a decline and unable to hold back Western intrusions. I don't know what Russia's future will be after this tbh, they say that it might economically collapse which have been accelerated by sanctions against it.

Considering that Russia has nukes, it's possible, if Putin was that crazy and really desperate, to use nukes on Ukraine as an ultimatum if there was no other way for the Russian military to keep up with Ukrainians and as a way to flex that they are still capable.

But that would also lead to retaliation which means that U.S. might be lead to nuke Russia, and whether or not that might lead to Russia or even China from launching their own retaliatory attack on the U.S. or NATO.

It might be possible that even if Russia nukes Ukraine it might not be worth it to attack Russia if there was no further threat to NATO countries in Europe, and instead let sanctions do the work to collapse Russia's economy.

If Ukraine does manage to take back their eastern front and Russia gets too weak that they decide to just back off, then it might just stay where it was before.

I don't think China is any better than the West, tbh.

I think the new government in Russia would just start the long process of integration with the West. Basically like Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria after the fall of Communism. They might break pieces off of Russia, but there is still a core Russian population that is most of the population of Russia.

There are some interesting questions like Finland lost something like 1/3rd of its territory in WWII to Russia. And the people there might want to rejoin Finland.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I think the new government in Russia would just start the long process of integration with the West. Basically like Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria after the fall of Communism. They might break pieces off of Russia, but there is still a core Russian population that is most of the population of Russia.

There are some interesting questions like Finland lost something like 1/3rd of its territory in WWII to Russia. And the people there might want to rejoin Finland.

I could see that happening if Russia eventually collapses. Already, its current incarnation is trying to hold back what it had during the Soviet era but it will eventually lead to the country breaking up even further.

 

[based_meme]

I just want China and the West to get nuked into the next dimension. Please, God, I know that's a big ask, but just this once.

If Russia stands up to the Illuminati and wins, the world will be free from the slimy clutches of the satanic private global banks, and free from the influence of the Zionists. And that is a world that will be a net benefit for humanity.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I just want China and the West to get nuked into the next dimension. Please, God, I know that's a big ask, but just this once.

Hopefully I'll be out of the U.S. if that ever happens.

If Russia stands up to the Illuminati and wins, the world will be free from the slimy clutches of the satanic private global banks, and free from the influence of the Zionists. And that is a world that will be a net benefit for humanity.

The Jews will never let that happen. They have total supremacy and the last say to everything that happens in the world since they have a tight grip on everything.

You think Russia ain't Jewed? The Communist Revolution was a Jewish plot and the Soviet Union was its creation.

 

[WizardofSoda]

I could see that happening if Russia eventually collapses. Already, its current incarnation is trying to hold back what it had during the Soviet era but it will eventually lead to the country breaking up even further.

Ya they needed to reinvent themselves after Communism came down into something interesting. Ordinarily they would just have been taken over there.. but it took the West awhile remaking and integrating all these Warsaw Pact countries.

And the Russians themselves are to blame for turning into low IQ gangsters in the anarchism afterwards. That necessitated a strongman. But then the new government ended up being the usual Slav super corrupt.

They still made some good progress in some areas. But its not enough to justify imo why they wouldn't just join the West.

It would be like if capitalism came down, and Communism was coming out with all this awesome new technology and science and was really wealthy. It would seem the obvious is you would just join them.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Ya they needed to reinvent themselves after Communism came down into something interesting. Ordinarily they would just have been taken over there.. but it took the West awhile remaking and integrating all these Warsaw Pact countries.

And the Russians themselves are to blame for turning into low IQ gangsters in the anarchism afterwards. That necessitated a strongman. But then the new government ended up being the usual Slav super corrupt.

They still made some good progress in some areas. But its not enough to justify imo why they wouldn't just join the West.

It would be like if capitalism came down, and Communism was coming out with all this awesome new technology and science and was really wealthy. It would seem the obvious is you would just join them.

Russia is too prideful to back down and submit to the West so it tries to maintain its own influence.

 

[fast_curry]

russians couldn't flatten cities because they wanted to install a puppet government which would be impossible if the ukrainian people hated them,
so tried to be seen as liberators of a western backed regime

Sadly, Russia seems too weak to win the propaganda war. They'll get a bad name regardless of what they do.

 

[Kaisercel]

russia is already a huge joke. their pitiful invasion barely got further than their starting points, and they couldn't even hold on to most of their already pathetic gains. NATO didn't even have to strike russia directly its shitty proxy did the job for them. all russia has id its nukes.

They surely disappointed given that they were generally considered to have the second strongest army in the world. But I also think any army would take big losses in this kind of armed confrontation where drones and guided missiles can hit you very precisely while the people manouvering them are many kilometers away. You are sitting in your tank, and before you can even realize it you are turned into crisps with the rest of the crew.
Maybe after this war armed forces around the world will seriously rethink their tactics.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

The thing is that wars are not won in a day.
America couldnt defeat goat herders in Afgahnistan or bare footed Viatnemese.
It is still very early days. It could be that Russia loses completely but it can also be that the Western economies collapse. So very early days still.
It took 6 years for 80% of the world to stop Germany in ww2 even though they had no oil, no natural resources, no support. Thats how war works.

Just my tale of caution but still Russia looks like they will lose and i think they probably will but just dont be surprised if things also turn out in their favour because it is still 50/50 and a single event can flip the odds in their favour. Thats all I am saying.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

The thing is that wars are not won in a day.
America couldnt defeat goat herders in Afgahnistan or bare footed Viatnemese.
It is still very early days. It could be that Russia loses completely but it can also be that the Western economies collapse. So very early days still.
It took 6 years for 80% of the world to stop Germany in ww2 even though they had no oil, no natural resources, no support. Thats how war works.

Just my tale of caution but still Russia looks like they will lose and i think they probably will but just dont be surprised if things also turn out in their favour because it is still 50/50 and a single event can flip the odds in their favour. Thats all I am saying.

You really think this war will last for years? Either Russia realizes sooner or later that their invasion was futile, or they actually manage to take down Kyiv. If that's the case (especially the former which is much more likely) I can see this lasting for no more than a few months.

Russia previously occupied Crimea and the Donbas back in 2014 and then just stopping there.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

You really think this war will last for years? Either Russia realizes sooner or later that their invasion was futile, or they actually manage to take down Kyiv. If that's the case (especially the former which is much more likely) I can see this lasting for no more than a few months.

Russia previously occupied Crimea and the Donbas back in 2014 and then just stopping there.

I have no idea at all how long this will last or what the outcome will be. In my opinion looking at history events take place that change the entire outcomes of wars. In WW1 Russia lost the war to Germany because of revolt in Russia due to economics.
Taking land does not mean you can hold onto it. America went into Iraq and Syria and today Iran and Russia took control of those regions from America.

Thats what I am trying to say. You never know. So yeah thats whats up.

Again looking at history Ukraine was never a nation state. Depending on the period in history some parts were in Poland some in Russia etc etc. So I think the Ukraine will split up.

 

[WizardofSoda]

The thing is that wars are not won in a day.
America couldnt defeat goat herders in Afgahnistan or bare footed Viatnemese.
It is still very early days. It could be that Russia loses completely but it can also be that the Western economies collapse. So very early days still.
It took 6 years for 80% of the world to stop Germany in ww2 even though they had no oil, no natural resources, no support. Thats how war works.

Just my tale of caution but still Russia looks like they will lose and i think they probably will but just dont be surprised if things also turn out in their favour because it is still 50/50 and a single event can flip the odds in their favour. Thats all I am saying.

Good points a lot of things can change. Such as many new tactics, civil war among the Ukrainians, new technology the Russians could bring out. If Russia could get Chinese tech to more effectively stop the drones. Different situation like in the separatist republics the Russians have way more support of the people. Different terrain presumably in parts.

If Russia can defend well here so it is somewhat of a stalemate going on for many months, Russia could also get a huge number of troops through conscription.

Russia should be flat out producing its own drones at this point, it has some drones its been using but it doesn't seem to have that many.

 

[Lebinoc]

If Russia can defend well here so it is somewhat of a stalemate going on for many months, Russia could also get a huge number of troops through conscription.

This is only possible by a declaration of war, which has currently not been made.

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

I'm still holding out hope we will get to see a nuke dropped on Zelensky's head

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Good points a lot of things can change. Such as many new tactics, civil war among the Ukrainians, new technology the Russians could bring out. If Russia could get Chinese tech to more effectively stop the drones. Different situation like in the separatist republics the Russians have way more support of the people. Different terrain presumably in parts.

If Russia can defend well here so it is somewhat of a stalemate going on for many months, Russia could also get a huge number of troops through conscription.

Russia should be flat out producing its own drones at this point, it has some drones its been using but it doesn't seem to have that many.

Defence is so much easier than going on the offensive. So doing the math it will be an uphill task for the Ukranians to push the Russians out of their positions in the east. Air strikes or heavy artillery are needed for the task of softening Russian positions before sending in the infantry and machanised devisions. Possibly Nato will deliver. If so then it could work out for the Ukranians.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Defence is so much easier than going on the offensive. So doing the math it will be an uphill task for the Ukranians to push the Russians out of their positions in the east. Air strikes or heavy artillery are needed for the task of softening Russian positions before sending in the infantry and machanised devisions. Possibly Nato will deliver. If so then it could work out for the Ukranians.

Ya like how do you push into a city or even town if the defenders are all sandbagged in, inside buildings and like the Muslims have built tunnels underground between positions. And if the defenders have a shit ton of ammo and supplies.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Ya like how do you push into a city or even town if the defenders are all sandbagged in, inside buildings and like the Muslims have built tunnels underground between positions. And if the defenders have a shit ton of ammo and supplies.

yeah thats the thing with attacking defensive positions. Sending in infantry and mechanised units without tons of artillery bombardment beforehand is suicide. It also depends if the local population are pro Russian or anti Russian because they decide who stays and who must leave as we saw in Afgahnistan, Vietnam etc.

Do you know if the eastern Ukranians are pro or anti Russian? According to news reports a large percantage are actually pro Russian but I am not sure tbh

 

[WizardofSoda]

yeah thats the thing with attacking defensive positions. Sending in infantry and mechanised units without tons of artillery bombardment beforehand is suicide. It also depends if the local population are pro Russian or anti Russian because they decide who stays and who must leave as we saw in Afgahnistan, Vietnam etc.

Do you know if the eastern Ukranians are pro or anti Russian? According to news reports a large percantage are actually pro Russian but I am not sure tbh

Ya the local population support seems to be really key. Its my sense that East of the Dnieper river most of them are pro-Ukrainian like Cheriniv, Sumy, Kharkiv.

But if you get down to the southeast, there is pro-Russian majorities in the 2 breakaway provinces, and maybe 50/50 in the 2 provinces north of Crimea. That is why the Russians moved through most of those with only light opposition.

 

[Blackpill Rage]

I just want China and the West to get nuked into the next dimension. Please, God, I know that's a big ask, but just this once.

If Russia stands up to the Illuminati and wins, the world will be free from the slimy clutches of the satanic private global banks, and free from the influence of the Zionists. And that is a world that will be a net benefit for humanity.

Cope. Russia is controlled by kike oligarchs. My God you're fucking stupid.

 

[CrackingYs]

LOL the US has sent 7000 Javelin missles to Ukraine. Shit is gonna get real.

View: https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1513928788987596801?t=y3Lu64a0zh_NE1s2KbwMGQ&s=19

 

[based_meme]

Cope. Russia is controlled by kike oligarchs. My God you're fucking stupid.

Not all the oligarchs are kikes, retard. You have kike-vision when you look at everything.

 

[WizardofSoda]

LOL the US has sent 7000 Javelin missles to Ukraine. Shit is gonna get real.

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View: https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1513928788987596801?t=y3Lu64a0zh_NE1s2KbwMGQ&s=19

These Javelins are really devastating.. and it doesn't seem like the Russians can stop them.

For the US I think I read a Javelin is something like list price $200,000.. which the US government pays full list price as a policy.

7,000 Javelins * $200,000 = $1.4 billion.

 

[CrackingYs]

These Javelins are really devastating.. and it doesn't seem like the Russians can stop them.

For the US I think I read a Javelin is something like list price $200,000.. which the US government pays full list price as a policy.

7,000 Javelins * $200,000 = $1.4 billion ... the annual US Defense procurement budget is about $260 billion.. and this can be extra since a special conflict.

Yeah they're "fire and forget" totally auto-aiming and I read earlier they have something like a 93% kill rate in Ukraine. Between javelins and those drones all the Russian tanks and APCs are just sitting ducks these days.

gg Putin, try nukes next time

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yeah they're "fire and forget" totally auto-aiming and I read earlier they have something like a 93% kill rate in Ukraine. Between javelins and those drones all the Russian tanks and APCs are just sitting ducks these days.

gg Putin, try nukes next time

That kill rate is complete insanity high. I don't know how Russia can stop the Javelins. Like the way the Ukraine is like a giant farm with hamlets, villages, towns, cities all spread out and roads going everywhere. And then enough trees, buildings and small hills and so forth. That you can drive in with regular cars and trucks, and set up and fire a Javelin from 1.5-2 km I think is the max range. Then the drones.

I think the Russians will have to get large perimeters set up. With tons of infantry massively dug in. Then way back have the artillery and supply trucks. With the front being a very slow moving front forward, or just holding areas they have now.

Then they are going to need heavy air defense coverage that can stop the drones from flying over the perimeter and hitting stuff. And ideally Russia should have a ton of its own drones so it can hit the Ukrainians with those.

 

[CrackingYs]

That kill rate is complete insanity high. I don't know how Russia can stop the Javelins. Like the way the Ukraine is like a giant farm with hamlets, villages, towns, cities all spread out and roads going everywhere. And then enough trees, buildings and small hills and so forth. That you can drive in with regular cars and trucks, and set up and fire a Javelin from 1.5-2 km I think is the max range. Then the drones.

I think the Russians will have to get large perimeters set up. With tons of infantry massively dug in. Then way back have the artillery and supply trucks. With the front being a very slow moving front forward, or just holding areas they have now.

Yeah the only strategy that is working for Russia is using artillery to completely destroy Mariupol. Then after everybody is dead and everything is turned to dust, the Russians can roll tanks in and claim victory.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yeah the only strategy that is working for Russia is using artillery to completely destroy Mariupol. Then after everybody is dead and everything is turned to dust, the Russians can roll tanks in and claim victory.

Ya that is another area their war plan makes no sense.