Insane that West European countries aren't increasing their armies

[WizardofSoda]

France and Germany are in a similar situation. In 2022 when industrial warfare broke out in Europe again, Germany promised a major expansion of its military both in funding and the standing army. But those plans went basically nowhere, Germany doesn't have more money and they said they won't cut social spending.

Now Germany's economy has declined further and they are starting to do austerity for that social spending anyway. And France is beginning austerity as well as they are out of money. Yesterday I read Britain had planned to increase defense funding to a pitiful 2.5% of GDP, but now they said that won't happen for at least 10 years.

I think these governments legitimately don't have the money or organizational ability to do it. But why is it dangerous?

Their plan is basically hope that the Ukraine army holds out. Ukraine now by far has the number #2 standing army in Europe, with Russia as 1st place. If Ukraine goes down, the Russians will merge the Ukrainian army into the Russian army. As Russia has done in the 4 SE provinces of Ukraine that it has taken. At this point the Russian and Ukrainian armies are battle hardened. It would probably take a year of heavy fighting for another European army to become battle hardened. In which time there would be severe losses in casualties and in ground lost.

Many of the East European nations would simply flip to the Russian side if the Russian + Ukrainian army rolled up to their doorstep. That is why no doubt in my mind Hungary, Slovakia and others are nearly on the Russian side already. They aren't confident that NATO can win this war so they want to get in Russia's good graces. Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece are Orthodox nations like Russia and Ukraine.

China could get behind Russia and Iran with endless manufacturing and money if it wanted. China might not do that, but in national defense you don't prepare planning for the best case scenario. I believe the Ukrainian army will hold out. But the point is it might not. And there could also be a palace coup in Ukraine with pro-Russian forces taking control.

 

[Retardfuel]

The west prioritizing feeding and sheltering rapefugees, state funded trans surgeries, tit surgeries, helping african niggers out of taxpayers money

All that money goes there and not into armed forces

 

[WizardofSoda]

The UK defense budget is £37.5 billion. Meanwhile just the hotels for asylum seekers costs I think £4.9 billion in 2023, and going up to £6.4 billion this year.

They have no problem approving money for that.

 

[Uninvited]

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Western Europeans are used to a good life. Of course, cutting social spending in support from the army budget will cause fury among the population and it will vote in the next election against those who cut social spending.

 

[Orzmund]

This war was an embarrassment to both parties.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Spending the nation's money in military depense instead of, you know, ensuring your citizens live well enough, isn't really the best move to do

 

[ReconElement]

Spending the nation's money in military depense instead of, you know, ensuring your citizens live well enough, isn't really the best move to do

True, Europe is not the Europe of 200 years back thankfully, now is the best time to be a white Chad no king or lord will take you to fight plus you can fuck around lots of foids just by being on tinder and no child to worry about

 

[lazy_gamer_423]

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews

 

[lazy_gamer_423]

Western Europeans are used to a good life. Of course, cutting social spending in support from the army budget will cause fury among the population and it will vote in the next election against those who cut social spending.

yet they can afford to spend it all on migrants

 

[Shaktiman]

China could get behind Russia and Iran with endless manufacturing and money if it wanted. China might not do that, but in national defense you don't prepare planning for the best case scenario. I believe the Ukrainian army will hold out. But the point is it might not. And there could also be a palace coup in Ukraine with pro-Russian forces taking control.

Russia is already a chineese colony.Russian Economy is now 100% reliant on China

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

Russia is already a chineese colony.Russian Economy is now 100% reliant on China

Good i hope China treat Russia's muslim population like they do to the muslim population in xinjiang

 

[Zuckuccius]

They don't need to. Americucks are paying more than enough and will defend them. How have you not realized this?

 

[Emba]

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews

Send in the welfare nigger army!

 

[solblue]

NATO is a moral hazard for European defense. Perhaps Trump's second term can scare Europe into increasing funding. At this point, Europe would be useless in any World War.

 

[Uninvited]

NATO is a moral hazard for European defense. Perhaps Trump's second term can scare Europe into increasing funding. At this point, Europe would be useless in any World War.

Who are we supposed to be defending against?
In a world war nukes will be flying Russia will not attack any NATO country
Any Nigger who feels like it can currently invade Europe maybe we should be more concerned about that

 

[supersoldier]

no need for strong armed forces there, when your "opponent" is multinational-cuckolds that won't attack

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

no need for strong armed forces there, when your "opponent" is multinational-cuckolds that won't attack

Moreover, in order for Russia to attack Western Europe, it needs to pass through Ukraine, and then Poland, in order to reach the borders of Germany. Does anyone really believe that Russia will be able to do this when it is fighting for villages in the Donetsk region?

 

[supersoldier]

Moreover, in order for Russia to attack Western Europe, it needs to pass through Ukraine, and then Poland, in order to reach the borders of Germany. Does anyone really believe that Russia will be able to do this when it is fighting for villages in the Donetsk region?

Russia is a weak controlled country that won't do shit, I wouldn't even be surprised if in the scenario of NATO invading Russia, russian multinational-cuckoldist government won't respond with nuclear weapons.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Russia is a weak controlled country that won't do shit, I wouldn't even be surprised if in the scenario of NATO invading Russia, russian multinational-cuckoldist government won't respond with nuclear weapons.

It will simply send millions of soldiers with rusty Kalashnikovs on the attack.

 

[stalkerKiller]

These are are good points you are making though it is based on the presupposition that Western Europe is at war with Russia or that the war is imminent.
Obviously Russia has some territorial aspirations, however it is still a pretty weak country. Just look how slowly their progress is going in Ukraine, a comparatively sparsely populated country to the rest of Europe. There is no real threat to Europe though even if Russia were to attack the baltic nations, especially to western european countries like France and Germany, the EU's economic powerhouses.

And the sugar on the cream is the fact that the entirety of Europe is governed by leftist parties which are already unpopular. Imagine slashing social programs (the only thing that keeps you in power) and investing that money in defense. That's political suicide.

 

[based_meme]

These are are good points you are making though it is based on the presupposition that Western Europe is at war with Russia or that the war is imminent.
Obviously Russia has some territorial aspirations, however it is still a pretty weak country. Just look how slowly their progress is going in Ukraine, a comparatively sparsely populated country to the rest of Europe. There is no real threat to Europe though even if Russia were to attack the baltic nations, especially to western european countries like France and Germany, the EU's economic powerhouses.

And the sugar on the cream is the fact that the entirety of Europe is governed by leftist parties which are already unpopular. Imagine slashing social programs (the only thing that keeps you in power) and investing that money in defense. That's political suicide.

Call me crazy or stupid, but I think this is intentional. What was stopping Russia from starting off this war with an aerial bombardment campaign and levelling Kiev to the ground, hitting key military targets before their ground forces moved in? I'm no military strategist, but that's war campaigning 101. They have a respectable air force and could have saved their standing army tens of thousands of soldier lives.

It seems as though the plan was to throw bodies at Ukraine to bleed them out, including Western monetary and munitions support, in a war of attrition.

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews

I like how you capitalized the n.

 

[stalkerKiller]

What was stopping Russia from starting off this war with an aerial bombardment campaign and levelling Kiev to the ground, hitting key military targets before their ground forces moved in?

Anti aircraft defenses, duh. Why do you think that they are mainly using cruise missiles and drones now?
Because planes are very easy targets for modern anti aircraft defenses. Russia is incapable of rushing the Ukraine, obviously if it wanted to it could put all of its army into conquering Ukraine but then it'd be a weak target to the US and NATO.

They aren't attacking with their full might because that would be suicide. Unlike the US Russia is surrounded by NATO countries, geography isn't in their favor therefore they can't put all of their military might into any attack.

 

[DefeatedIncel]

Western Europeans are used to a good life. Of course, cutting social spending in support from the army budget will cause fury among the population and it will vote in the next election against those who cut social spending.

As the saying goes: "Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times". Europeans are used to US defending them while they act soy and weak.

 

[based_meme]

Anti aircraft defenses, duh.

They have a fleet of stealth fighters.

 

[stalkerKiller]

They have a fleet of stealth fighters.

Emphasis on fighters and not bombers. In order to bomb the shit out of Ukraine you need bombers, which are basically just big and slow planes that are very easy targets to modern AA. Bombers are very practical when you are out of range of any air defense, however Ukraine is literally dotted with that shit everywhere on the front line and the big cities especially.

There is no chance of using bombers anymore. They are obviously developing something new, the PAK DA, however until full scale production and implementation we'll have to wait another 2 years or something.

 

[based_meme]

Emphasis on fighters and not bombers. In order to bomb the shit out of Ukraine you need bombers, which are basically just big and slow planes that are very easy targets to modern AA. Bombers are very practical when you are out of range of any air defense, however Ukraine is literally dotted with that shit everywhere on the front line and the big cities especially.

There is no chance of using bombers anymore. They are obviously developing something new, the PAK DA, however until full scale production and implementation we'll have to wait another 2 years or something.

I misspoke. I meant bombers.

 

[stalkerKiller]

I meant bombers.

Well the Su-57 is really bad as a stealth bomber, it can easily get detected on radar. That is why they are developing this new model. i am not some sort of military strategist, but from the information I have from the media bombers haven't really been used in this conflict. You can you look at liveUA map and see for yourself how often they employ such technologies. It is pretty rare.

 

[Linesnap99]

As the saying goes: "Hard times create strong men. Strong men create comfy times. Comfy times create weak men (femboys). And, weak men(femboys) create hard times". Europeans are used to US defending them while they act soy and weak.

 

[Linesnap99]

Spending the nation's money in military depense instead of, you know, ensuring your citizens live well enough, isn't really the best move to do

first priority is to protect the borders for smooth running of business

 

[Lonelyus]

I guess niggers are more important to them than national security

 

[based_meme]

Well the Su-57 is really bad as a stealth bomber, it can easily get detected on radar. That is why they are developing this new model. i am not some sort of military strategist, but from the information I have from the media bombers haven't really been used in this conflict. You can you look at liveUA map and see for yourself how often they employ such technologies. It is pretty rare.

You know more than me about the details of their military armament. I don't get mired in these details, because I don't have a real dog in the fight, but I'm happy to learn.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

If Ukraine goes down, the Russians will merge the Ukrainian army into the Russian army.
Russian + Ukrainian army rolled up to their doorstep.

You've been talking about this for months, and I still don't get your logic for how Russia would be able to do this instead of those Ukrainian troops switching to guerilla warfare. After years of war you can't just assimilate the guys who have been fighting you and expect them to obey immediately, no matter what you promise them and especially when they know for a fact how defeatable you actually are and how powerful the people you are sending them against are.

This war was an embarrassment to both parties.

True, but for Russians it is an incredible one. "World's second army" my ass, even the White House expected Ukraine to get crushed in days, almost no expert or politician across the world had any doubt that Ukraine would be crushed in weeks at most, and, well... here we are.

They don't need to. Americucks are paying more than enough and will defend them. How have you not realized this?

This. The simple fact is, they are never going to attack NATO countries. That's just a fact even pro-Russian analysts are now accepting.

 

[WizardofSoda]

You've been talking about this for months, and I still don't get your logic for how Russia would be able to do this instead of those Ukrainian troops switching to guerilla warfare. After years of war you can't just assimilate the guys who have been fighting you and expect them to obey immediately, no matter what you promise them and especially when they know for a fact how defeatable you actually are and how powerful the people you are sending them against are.

Same way Russia makes the Ukrainians in the 4 SE provinces it has conquered follow the Russian orders. I predicted the Ukrainians there would come under Russian control. Whereas some other guys were saying the Ukrainians there would be fighting some sort of guerilla war behind enemy lines.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

Same way Russia makes the Ukrainians in the 4 SE provinces it has conquered follow the Russian orders. I predicted the Ukrainians there would come under Russian control. Whereas some other guys were saying the Ukrainians there would be fighting some sort of guerilla war behind enemy lines.

Yeah, but those were troops and people in areas which the Russians blitzed before any defense could be mounted at all, which were already very Russian ethnically with a very high proportion of Russian-speakers, and where there is ample proof that there were traitorous local officials and elites who collaborated with the Russians and helped them to take over those places. None of that really applies to the troops who by now have been fighting against Russia for years and who come from the disproportionately ethnically Ukrainian regions of that country.

 

[Retardfuel]

The Russians haven't used nukes which is cucked

 

[WizardofSoda]

Russia is starting to gain ground a lot faster lately. It also seems to be accelerating. Its like in real time strategy games when you get an advantage over your opponent then they are in real trouble.

Russia keeps adding to its forces in the war theatre, maybe 10,000 more a month. Whereas Ukraine is having trouble adding more troops. This is leaving openings for Russia to push forward.

Right now Ukraine does not look close to collapse, but you can see where this is going as the imbalance in forces grows.

 

[starystulejarz]

It's only matter of time when Ukraine going to betrayal Europe and attack Poland with help of Russia after losing the war and half of their territories. They will put a fault of losing war on us instead of themselves being idiots that believed the west telling them to put CIA plant like Jewlenski and try to join NATO/EU.

 

[starystulejarz]

France and Germany are in a similar situation. In 2022 when industrial warfare broke out in Europe again, Germany promised a major expansion of its military both in funding and the standing army. But those plans went basically nowhere, Germany doesn't have more money and they said they won't cut social spending.

Now Germany's economy has declined further and they are starting to do austerity for that social spending anyway. And France is beginning austerity as well as they are out of money. Yesterday I read Britain had planned to increase defense funding to a pitiful 2.5% of GDP, but now they said that won't happen for at least 10 years.

I think these governments legitimately don't have the money or organizational ability to do it. But why is it dangerous?

Germany was in that miserable state for years, i remember how they were supposed to upgrade Leopard tanks Poland ordered and yet they were massively lagging behind in their upgrades from 2A4 to Leo2A6/7, we did on our own and they are called Leo2PL they are still getting created too slowly but not as slow as ones from Kosher Germany, we also purchased a lot of K2 Black Panthers from Korea and Abrams from USA, modern German industry is a sad joke they would never be able to fight in any war since their tanks take so long to upgrade (not make from scratch), if they were made from nothing you would need to wait 2 years for a single tank

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[WizardofSoda]

It's only matter of time when Ukraine going to betrayal Europe and attack Poland with help of Russia after losing the war and half of their territories. They will put a fault of losing war on us instead of themselves being idiots that believed the west telling them to put CIA plant like Jewlenski and try to join NATO/EU.

I think starys is right.

This is the propaganda line I think Russia will use to get the Ukrainians on board after Russia takes over. They will say Poland and other NATO countries aren't your real friends they made you fight Russia with promises of helping you with troops then when the war came they didn't help you.

Then the Russians will tell the Ukrainians lets go together and teach them a lesson brothers.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Moreover, in order for Russia to attack Western Europe, it needs to pass through Ukraine, and then Poland, in order to reach the borders of Germany. Does anyone really believe that Russia will be able to do this when it is fighting for villages in the Donetsk region?

Not yet. Its getting stronger though, this is Russia's active duty military numbers..

Before war: ~1,013,000
Late 2022 increase: +137,000 to 1,150,000
Late 2023 increase: +170,000 to 1,320,000
Late 2024 increase: +180,000 to 1,500,000


On the battlefield what is happening is the Russians got a numerical advantage a few months back. And the numbers advantage is growing each month. With that the Russian gains are accelerating as they find areas along the frontline where the Ukrainians are under staffed. Russia is also spreading out the frontline by opening new fronts as it gets a numerical advantage.

My view is the Kharkiv-Belgorod front was to be this years frontline expansion. Then next year was going to be Sumy-Kursk added. But the Ukrainians attacked into Kursk which brought that plan forward and drew forces from both sides to Russia's Kursk province.

You can see how by continuing to add forces to the frontlines and expanding the frontlines the Ukrainian army is getting overwhelmed.

North Korea also is estimated to have 10,000 troops there now. With the speculation being the North Koreans plan to go to 100,000 in the theatre. That would be a big problem as right now each side has something like 400-500,000 soldiers in the theatre.

 

[WizardofSoda]

For attacking Poland that is probably several years out. It would be a combined Russian-Ukrainian army probably at around 2.5 million standing army at that point. And maybe 700,000 they would send into Poland.

The Russians would also ally with some political party in Poland, and their friends in Eastern Poland. So it would be a civil war in Poland that the Russian army came in on the side of the pro-Russian Polish. By that point Hungary, Slovakia and Serbia would likely be fully allied with Russia.

The German army and other Euro armies would for sure go into Poland to help the Polish army. As if Poland goes down, East Germany is next.

 

[Jud Pottah]

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews

and femoids further ruining the job market for ALL involved. thanks jews not that i would support your BS society

 

[Jud Pottah]

Germany was in that miserable state for years, i remember how they were supposed to upgrade Leopard tanks Poland ordered and yet they were massively lagging behind in their upgrades from 2A4 to Leo2A6/7, we did on our own and they are called Leo2PL they are still getting created too slowly but not as slow as ones from Kosher Germany, we also purchased a lot of K2 Black Panthers from Korea and Abrams from USA, modern German industry is a sad joke they would never be able to fight in any war since their tanks take so long to upgrade (not make from scratch), if they were made from nothing you would need to wait 2 years for a single tank

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[Jud Pottah]

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[AutistSupremacist]

All the money is funnelled to Niggers and Jews