Tough decision may be nearing for Iran, China, India, North Korea, Syria for WWIII

[WizardofSoda]

Right now they are delaying doing much because they are hoping Russia pulls this out and Ukraine, eg.. if Russia and Ukraine can agree to let Russia have the 4 SE provinces of Ukraine then the war can end there at least for now.

On the other hand if the Ukraine army backed by the NWO money and weaponry pushes Russia right out of Ukraine, then the NWO most likely isn't going to stop there. And that level of defeat for the Russian army might be enough to cause a political change in Russia to a pro-Western government or that and regions of Russia breaking away. What exactly that breaking away would look like its not known, but we could assume that the NWO would dominate those areas afterwards with a high likelihood.

The Empire its next target I believe is the whole Christian ex-Soviet Union of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia & Armenia.

What these other countries are realizing is if the Empire gets all that, then its just going to take the next places too. Like all the 'stans' and Central Asia, how long are they going to hold out if Russia is then part of the NWO. Granted all that wouldn't happen that quickly, it would just be the usual gradual process over decades. If Russia went down, then how long would Syria hold out if the NWO then focused its attention there. And how long would Iran hold out if the Empire had Russia, Iraq and the 'stans'.

With Russia, the 'stans', Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.. how long would China hold out once the Empire started trying to break off provinces of China. And also considering how angry many provinces in China are at being ordered around by the tyrants in Beijing.

 

[CroatianManlet]

If you live in the west keep in mind you are seeing this through propaganda off course they will tell you Ukraine is winning.But i feel like if Putin is removed someone China friendly will come

 

[Claude]

Just want the world to end and everyone dies tbh

 

[blackpillscience]

If you live in the west keep in mind you are seeing this through propaganda off course they will tell you Ukraine is winning.But i feel like if Putin is removed someone China friendly will come

That’s what a lot of people don’t get. The number of deaths , tanks blown up and maps. Could be lies. Only way to know is to wait for the final outcome. Then you’ll know who was telling the truth.

 

[WizardofSoda]

That’s what a lot of people don’t get. The number of deaths , tanks blown up and maps. Could be lies. Only way to know is to wait for the final outcome. Then you’ll know who was telling the truth.

One way to look at it is here are two things we know.

-Russia and its allies control most of the 4 SE provinces of Ukraine, and before the Russian invasion, they controlled a lot less of 2 of the provinces and weren't in 2 of the others.

-The NWO is beginning to really push on the Christian ex-Soviet Union, and it now controls 3/4 of Ukraine and battling for the last 1/4. And is at a state of borderline war with Russia.

So Russia is now out and out battling the expansion of the NWO into the ex-Soviet Union.



Interesting thing for other countries is their decisions are based on where they view the conflict at and where they think it will go. Like say China looks and its analysis it thinks Russia will take these 4 SE provinces and then the two sides will agree to a ceasefire at some point, and Russia is not in danger of losing those 4 provinces. Then that view it effects China's policies. In that case it can support Russia with money, but doesn't have to do more than that.

 

[WizardofSoda]

If you live in the west keep in mind you are seeing this through propaganda off course they will tell you Ukraine is winning.But i feel like if Putin is removed someone China friendly will come

Thats a very good point, something the West is thinking about, that they don't want to push Russia to become a vassal state of China. (which is not a new state for Russia, the Duchy of Moscow state was the Mongol's enforcer in Eastern Europe)

Thats is the debate in Russia high up in the state, is not being willing to give up sovereignty to the West, and then instead giving up sovereignty to China may be worse.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I hope one of them nukes Washington D.C. , don't care.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

If you live in the west keep in mind you are seeing this through propaganda off course they will tell you Ukraine is winning.But i feel like if Putin is removed someone China friendly will come

Vladimir Putin is considered a political moderate inside Russia where many have said he's been too soft on Ukraine militarily, once he's gone they'll only wish he was back as his replacement will likely be even more extreme than he is.

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

Just want the world to end and everyone dies tbh

Based

 

[ControlledInsanity]

I have absolutely zero confidence that anything we're being told about this "conflict" is even close to accurate. They have clearly demonstrated they will tell the biggest lies and the whole world believes it.

I hope one of them nukes Washington D.C. , don't care.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I have absolutely zero confidence that anything we're being told about this "conflict" is even close to accurate. They have clearly demonstrated they will tell the biggest lies and the whole world believes it.

I've learned a long time ago you can't expect the truth from any government organization or institution, they all lie all the time. They're basically in the business of professional lying and grift.

 

[JayGoptri]

There is and recently has been reasons for India to worry. It may become likely that China decides to be the big bad monster that Russia couldn't be, and go all out to reclaim this entire Indo-Pacifi region from India and the (Pro-Western) South and East Asian areas. Maybe Eastern Europe as well, with a host of Russian Putin loyalist helping them. Hmm.

@MarquisDeSade keeps talking about "the big one" , and I am saying that any one set of possibilities could become the trigger to set things off in the truely worst of scenarios.

 

[METALMILITA88]

There is and recently has been reasons for India to worry. It may become likely that China decides to be the big bad monster that Russia couldn't be, and go all out to reclaim this entire Indo-Pacifi region from India and the (Pro-Western) South and East Asian areas. Maybe Eastern Europe as well, with a host of Russian Putin loyalist helping them. Hmm.

@MarquisDeSade keeps talking about "the big one" , and I am saying that any one set of possibilities could become the trigger to set things off in the truely worst of scenarios.

Chyna isn’t strong enough to conquer India and SEA.

 

[JayGoptri]

Chyna isn’t strong enough to conquer India and SEA.

Mmmm. Well depends on their strategy.

First let's talk about India alone. If they wanted to, and if the help from the West (which is currently ensnared in its own games with Ukraine/Russia) doesn't come through in the right way, China could do some damage. China is more powerful than India and I doubt Pakistan would stand in the way, infact some of them would even help China do more damage.

As far as the entire SEA region, if the right alliances were formed, and (again, if the West is occupied with their other domestic and international horseshit) it might be possible for China.

___On a separate note___
One other thing I wanted to reiterate about the West which I had said to @WizardofSoda (and I believe we were in agreement on the fact) - The U.S., in terms of Navy & Air Support, fine they would be able to come to the aid of another smaller developing nation if the situation was really ugly. But boots on the ground FORGET IT. The U.S. army and marine bulk forces have no moral, absolute infighting between rednecks and wokesters, and the specialist forces are not happy with Democrats with, justifiably so.

I mean come on, just now the Dems want to remove all their weirdy defined -automatic high mag" guns from owners but they want tax payers ro spend millions to give more guns to Ukraine. It makes people angry. These people will behave in all sorts of degenerate ways in the near future.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Mmmm. Well depends on their strategy.

First let's talk about India alone. If they wanted to, and if the help from the West (which is currently ensnared in its own games with Ukraine/Russia) doesn't come through in the right way, China could do some damage. China is more powerful than India and I doubt Pakistan would stand in the way, infact some of them would even help China do more damage.

As far as the entire SEA region, if the right alliances were formed, and (again, if the West is occupied with their other domestic and international horseshit) it might be possible for China.

___On a separate note___
One other thing I wanted to reiterate about the West which I had said to @WizardofSoda (and I believe we were in agreement on the fact) - The U.S., in terms of Navy & Air Support, fine they would be able to come to the aid of another smaller developing nation if the situation was really ugly. But boots on the ground FORGET IT. The U.S. army and marine bulk forces have no moral, absolute infighting between rednecks and wokesters, and the specialist forces are not happy with Democrats with, justifiably so.

I mean come on, just now the Dems want to remove all their weirdy defined -automatic high mag" guns from owners but they want tax payers ro spend millions to give more guns to Ukraine. It makes people angry. These people will behave in all sorts of degenerate ways in the near future.

Ya the US way isn't to send in ground soldiers, its too politically unpopular in the US. The number of soldiers the US could send also wouldn't make a big difference in most places. What the US does is find some groups who are willing to fight and also give a lot of power to the USA over them, in exchange for money and weaponry. Even in Ukraine the US isn't using its military directly, not even airstrikes or cruise missiles.

Another aspect is the US would rather work with the existing government of a country. So as an example I read Pakistan is in this huge economic crisis. And the Pakistani government desperately needs money from somewhere. So enter the USA, and I read the Pakistanis just put in a new leader who is thought to be backed by the USA.

The money for Pakistan it will have a ton of strings with it, like the US basically chooses the leader, the US chooses the ministers, the US sends in advisors to reform the country. Then if the country is actually making those reforms, then the US provides more instalments of money. And the West can control access to the Western marketplace for the country's exports.

The US sets up universities in the country to train the next generation of elites, and the top tier future elites the US flies back to US universities for training. Then with control of the government it puts those future elites in high level positions early in their careers. Where the US plan works is when the country does the reforms and then is economically making a lot of progress over time. So then the new government gets entrenched because it has a lot of supporters at that point among the people of the country. So the US has been getting a lot better at figuring out how to run these countries.

That was what was slowing the US plan down in the past is the US actually did get control, then had shitty reforms in some countries that didn't work to make them better off, then the US was losing control.

 

[JayGoptri]

Ya the US way isn't to send in ground soldiers, its too politically unpopular in the US. The number of soldiers the US could send also wouldn't make a big difference in most places. What the US does is find some groups who are willing to fight and also give a lot of power to the USA over them, in exchange for money and weaponry. Even in Ukraine the US isn't using its military directly, not even airstrikes or cruise missiles.

Yes.

Another aspect is the US would rather work with the existing government of a country. So as an example I read Pakistan is in this huge economic crisis. And the Pakistani government desperately needs money from somewhere. So enter the USA, and I read the Pakistanis just put in a new leader who is thought to be backed by the USA.

True. And I almost forgot about the new Pakistan, you're right. They have been one way for so long that I overlooked the new regime change. However, I still wouldn't be inclined to think that Pakistan would help India much if China began really flexing their muscles. I doubt the U.S. would either for India unless India begs. And publically, India doesn't beg for help. But who knows what the future holds. I am really uncertain as to what China will do next. Thoughts on that?

The money for Pakistan it will have a ton of strings with it, like the US basically chooses the leader, the US chooses the ministers, the US sends in advisors to reform the country. Then if the country is actually making those reforms, then the US provides more instalments of money. And the West can control access to the Western marketplace for the country's exports.

This would be a great thing, except for the fact that no law makers in the U.S. are able to agree on anything inside the U.S. itself, atm. Let's see. I mean domestically things ain't so hot.

The US sets up universities in the country to train the next generation of elites, and the top tier future elites the US flies back to US universities for training. Then with control of the government it puts those future elites in high level positions early in their careers. Where the US plan works is when the country does the reforms and then is economically making a lot of progress over time. So then the new government gets entrenched because it has a lot of supporters at that point among the people of the country. So the US has been getting a lot better at figuring out how to run these countries.

Oh this, certainly as long as the Dems and "moderates" are "in control" they will always do. And just like with Afghanistan, they seek to Wokeify everyone try touch with these "international exchange" programs.

That was what was slowing the US plan down in the past is the US actually did get control, then had shitty reforms in some countries that didn't work to make them better off, then the US was losing control.

True.

 

[Sexless incel]

If you live in the west keep in mind you are seeing this through propaganda off course they will tell you Ukraine is winning.But i feel like if Putin is removed someone China friendly will come

 

[JayGoptri]

I have absolutely zero confidence that anything we're being told about this "conflict" is even close to accurate. They have clearly demonstrated they will tell the biggest lies and the whole world believes it.

This is also at play. Earlier on one of OPs related posts I said I wasn't going to comment much on Stats and what they mean. I can make observations about the statements vs actual behaviors made by talking heads in poly-sci and officials. Based off that we could make some projections. But in regards to news statistics and the overall picture, it's so hard to know what's really happening or what it means. The Left media heavily twists everything to Ukraine's favor.

 

[JayGoptri]

Also something interesting just now:

Even mainstream fag journalist (mega leftists, Ukraine supporters) are admitting there are very few international journalists operating in the Donbas region. They only get Ukrainian "official reports" on stats, and that after they report it, if they find out they are wrong, they never go back and do a video retraction. They just keep reporting what the Ukrainian Gov PR tells them.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yes.

True. And I almost forgot about the new Pakistan, you're right. They have been one way for so long that I overlooked the new regime change. However, I still wouldn't be inclined to think that Pakistan would help India much if China began really flexing their muscles. I doubt the U.S. would either for India unless India begs. And publically, India doesn't beg for help. But who knows what the future holds. I am really uncertain as to what China will do next. Thoughts on that?

This would be a great thing, except for the fact that no law makers in the U.S. are able to agree on anything inside the U.S. itself, atm. Let's see. I mean domestically things ain't so hot.

Oh this, certainly as long as the Dems and "moderates" are "in control" they will always do. And just like with Afghanistan, they seek to Wokeify everyone try touch with these "international exchange" programs.

True.

I don't know what China is going to do. They are at a crossroads.

They have this huge internal political battle going on between those who want to take China back to its past of tyranny and the government officials as like gods with beating down and holding down the people. Which is their culture for thousands of years. Or to continue the plan since the late 1970's of Westernizing.

What I see for China is sort of ironic. If China continues to gradually Westernize then the actual West cannot threaten China. China is too big and in that case it will continue to have an insanely large economy and near technological parity with the West, or even going ahead in some areas.

If China were to turn back to its past of tyranny, then it would be a sitting duck for the US Empire to tear provinces off of it one by one. But something is ok so they Westernize and are powerful and wealthy, but at that point hasn't the West taken them over in effect?

 

[MarquisDeSade]

There is and recently has been reasons for India to worry. It may become likely that China decides to be the big bad monster that Russia couldn't be, and go all out to reclaim this entire Indo-Pacifi region from India and the (Pro-Western) South and East Asian areas. Maybe Eastern Europe as well, with a host of Russian Putin loyalist helping them. Hmm.

@MarquisDeSade keeps talking about "the big one" , and I am saying that any one set of possibilities could become the trigger to set things off in the truely worst of scenarios.

It's a combination of financial economic deterioration along with the deterioration of the natural ecology of the entire planet. In a nutshell, all forms of postmodernism is destroying itself and the entire world around us. The Great Reset is the world's elites desperate attempt to remain in power, authority, and control over the entire planet playing damage control, but in the end they won't succeed at all where more than likely a good majority of them will die in the entire process of global systematic collapse. Because the system is global such a societal collapse will be felt worldwide, some places more than others especially in the west to which postmodernism historically derived. With general societal collapse a lot of the myths concerning western social equality or egalitarianism will be exposed once and for all the frauds they really are, shortly afterwards the entire population will eat itself and humanity what remains of it afterward will never quite be the same ever again. Currently as this global system is very obviously spiraling out of control we're waiting for the next big international crisis which will kick off this global or societal collapse in a chaotic cascading effect.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Chyna isn’t strong enough to conquer India and SEA.

India is more aligned with Russia, and after that whole Pfizer scandal over there I doubt they'll be returning back to western hands any time soon.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Mmmm. Well depends on their strategy.

First let's talk about India alone. If they wanted to, and if the help from the West (which is currently ensnared in its own games with Ukraine/Russia) doesn't come through in the right way, China could do some damage. China is more powerful than India and I doubt Pakistan would stand in the way, infact some of them would even help China do more damage.

As far as the entire SEA region, if the right alliances were formed, and (again, if the West is occupied with their other domestic and international horseshit) it might be possible for China.

___On a separate note___
One other thing I wanted to reiterate about the West which I had said to @WizardofSoda (and I believe we were in agreement on the fact) - The U.S., in terms of Navy & Air Support, fine they would be able to come to the aid of another smaller developing nation if the situation was really ugly. But boots on the ground FORGET IT. The U.S. army and marine bulk forces have no moral, absolute infighting between rednecks and wokesters, and the specialist forces are not happy with Democrats with, justifiably so.

I mean come on, just now the Dems want to remove all their weirdy defined -automatic high mag" guns from owners but they want tax payers ro spend millions to give more guns to Ukraine. It makes people angry. These people will behave in all sorts of degenerate ways in the near future.

There's no salvaging, reforming, or fixing the United States politically, socially, and economically. This nation is entirely finished where currently it is on life support along with massive borrowed time to which the plug will be pulled very soon and in fashion that nobody will be able to deny any further.

It's simply over for the United States and it doesn't matter what the majority of ignorant uneducated fuckwads of this nation want to believe otherwise. Simply put, it's only a matter of time now.

 

[JayGoptri]

I don't know what China is going to do. They are at a crossroads.

Yes

They have this huge internal political battle going on between those who want to take China back to its past of tyranny and the government officials as like gods with beating down and holding down the people. Which is their culture for thousands of years. Or to continue the plan since the late 1970's of Westernizing.

What I see for China is sort of ironic. If China continues to gradually Westernize then the actual West cannot threaten China. China is too big and in that case it will continue to have an insanely large economy and near technological parity with the West, or even going ahead in some areas.

Makes sense. We'll have to wait and see.

If China were to turn back to its past of tyranny, then it would be a sitting duck for the US Empire to tear provinces off of it one by one.

Yes. This could be one future.

But something is ok so they Westernize and are powerful and wealthy, but at that point hasn't the West taken them over in effect?

More or less, I guess. But China has these sub wafer factories and can produce chips cheaply and I don't see how the West can reproduce this. This is a problem no?

 

[JayGoptri]

India is more aligned with Russia, and after that whole Pfizer scandal over there I doubt they'll be returning back to western hands any time soon.

Well, India is dependent on Russia for many things. "Aligned" with Russia in its hard to say what that means. Overall India is not too bothered by those positions and stays out of them. It's not going to return to Western hands, per say, but it has to dance a complicated dance to keep everyone happy and vice versa.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Well, India is dependent on Russia for many things. "Aligned" with Russia in its hard to say what that means. Overall India is not too bothered by those positions and stays out of them. It's not going to return to Western hands, per say, but it has to dance a complicated dance to keep everyone happy and vice versa.

At this rate the west will soon become irrelevant and impotent, largely because of what we have done to ourselves along with the usual (((suspects))). The future of India will be more eastern focused tap dancing between Russia and China, the later being their historical antagonist. It's going to be an Eastern dominated world going forward, that is if the world survives at all into the future.

 

[JayGoptri]

At this rate the west will soon become irrelevant and impotent, largely because of what we have done to ourselves along with the usual (((suspects))).

Agreed.

The future of India will be more eastern focused tap dancing between Russia and China, the later being their historical antagonist. It's going to be an Eastern dominated world going forward, that is if the world survives at all into the future.

This is true, but the problem is that to make any prognostication we need to know what's really motivating people today. It's clear that sexual authority has taken over, but it's unclear what exactly that can mean for each particular sphere of influence. The only thing we can say for certain is that it's in major decline, like you said and some of us keep saying here on this forum.

I do believe civilization will "survive". It has to. It is surving in a grotesque and malformed version of what it should be I guess. The further rise of more prominent and well established criminal organizations, truly corrupt political entities, Hollywood-type media idols and it's eclipsing circus is the rotting corpse of Western civilization we have currently.

India can resist that for a time, stagnation is its key trait, so that's a good thing, but eventually all the decay and rotting catches up.

 

[JayGoptri]

Good thread @WizardofSoda and @MarquisDeSade always enjoy writing with you guys.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Agreed.

This is true, but the problem is that to make any prognostication we need to know what's really motivating people today. It's clear that sexual authority has taken over, but it's unclear what exactly that can mean for each particular sphere of influence. The only thing we can say for certain is that it's in major decline, like you said and we all keep saying.

I do believe civilization will "survive". It has to. It is surving in a grotesque and malformed version of what it should be I guess. The further rise of more prominent and we'll established criminal organizations, truly corrupt political entities, Hollywood-type media idols and it's eclipsing circus is the rotting corpse of Western civilization we have currently.

India can resist that for a time, stagnation is its key trait, so that's a good thing, but eventually it all catches up.

There is no guarantee human civilization will survive or prevail, there is nothing in the universe saying that it must and has to. For all the thousands of years it took to build human civilization, it can all be very much destroyed within only a handful of a few short years.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Good thread @WizardofSoda and @MarquisDeSade always enjoy writing with you guys.

You too fren.

 

[JayGoptri]

There is no guarantee human civilization will survive or prevail, there is nothing in the universe saying that it must and has to. For all the thousands of years it took to build human civilization, it can all be very much destroyed within only a handful of a few short years.

Well, true. What I mean by "survive" is that it may (eventually) come out of the phase it is currently in, BUT only if a collapse occurs which causes it to reset first. Afterwards everything may look different. What's certain is that things have to and will get far worse before one can even think about them getting better. And those of us alive today may likely not live to see any of that on the other side.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yes

Makes sense. We'll have to wait and see.

Yes. This could be one future.

More or less, I guess. But China has these sub wafer factories and can produce chips cheaply and I don't see how the West can reproduce this. This is a problem no?

Computer chips the West is super advanced on. Although one area the telecommunications equipment I think China is ahead. I think in computer chips China is maybe 10-15 years behind, but considering Taiwan is able to have parity or above with the US and South Korea and Japan, I have no doubt China could narrow that gap, and they don't have to be perfectly caught up with military.

Meanwhile with ships, armored vehicles, basically anything China could outproduce the West easily, because they can manufacture at insane scale, and very quickly.

I don't know what happened with it but a few years back I was reading about railguns and China was clearly ahead. China has like 10 times the electrical engineering people as the USA, so China was figuring things out way faster. Probably classified now the program.

Then there is lasers and electronic warfare like jamming. Who knows where the Chinese are on lasers, but considering that China is probably ahead in telecommunications equipment presumably they would be extremely strong on electronic warfare.

Then there is AI in the military equipment. I would say China can do computer programming the same as the West.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Well, true. What I mean by "survive" is that it may (eventually) come out of the phase it is currently in, BUT only if a collapse occurs which causes it to reset first. Afterwards everything may look different. What's certain is that things have to and will get far worse before one can even think about them getting better. And those of us alive today may likely not live to see any of that on the other side.

Yes.

 

[JayGoptri]

Computer chips the West is super advanced on. Although one area the telecommunications equipment I think China is ahead. I think in computer chips China is maybe 10-15 years behind, but considering Taiwan is able to have parity or above with the US and South Korea and Japan, I have no doubt China could narrow that gap, and they don't have to be perfectly caught up with military.

Well, that's not the complete picture. The 2nm sub wafer factories in China and Tiwan need to be running in parallel with Western ones for us to enjoy the same level of quality and output in high density devices. This technological know-how exists but with China making things harder, we suffer. Also it's MUCH more expensive ik the West to manufacture and that sets companies back financially. It's not at all a good thing !

Meanwhile with ships, armored vehicles, basically anything China could outproduce the West easily, because they can manufacture at insane scale, and very quickly.

Yes, and this is exactly what I'm saying one needs to consider about the 2nm or less Foundry Subwafer factories in China.

I don't know what happened with it but a few years back I was reading about railguns and China was clearly ahead. China has like 10 times the electrical engineering people as the USA, so China was figuring things out way faster. Probably classified now the program.

Interesting. I remember hearing something similar. We gotta look it up again

Then there is lasers and electronic warfare like jamming. Who knows where the Chinese are on lasers, but considering that China is probably ahead in telecommunications equipment presumably they would be extremely strong on electronic warfare.

Yes.

Then there is AI in the military equipment. I would say China can do computer programming the same as the West.

Same or better if they have those 2nm chip Foundry factories running at higher efficiency than the West