lol srry bro dont get wound up over my remark there is just a subjective opinion of mine not objective at all im just saying that only like a personal level not a rational one. I'm just very personally averse to having shit like this even remotely associated with me being an incel, because genuinely wouldnt fuck a girl 15 or younger imho unless they were somehow using massive amounts of fakeup to fraud older age and I if I wasn't aware of that.
I would not either in the context of modern society.
If you're saying you wouldn't outside of that context then you're basically just LARPing and coping because the boot of society on our neck shapes u
Again, subjectively, my opinion is that children should absolutely not be thrusted into any sort of sexual situations beyond masturbation
Who the fuck thrusts people into masturbation?
You're moving the goalposts here because I never talked about thrusting anyone into any anything.
Feel free to look back at my previous posts and point out where I talked about applying any kind of pressure whatsoever.
"Let them do it if they initiate it in an uncoerced environment" is more my view, which is definitely not 'thrusting'.
I believe you're using that term because you want to reframe this argument in a black-and-white way that makes sense, by opposing something more obviously wrong, because my argument is too gray.
Thrusting ANYONE into a sexual situation is a bad thing: the term implies applying pressure and coercion, which is unethical.
Of course there's probably something misandric about that association because of how males as active movers 'thrust' in sexual penetration.
Perhaps we should adopt other terms which use female sexual analogies in oppressive ways.
Like women grapple cocks with their vaginas, so how about instead we say "children should absolutely not grappled into any sort of sexual situations" ?
Basically sex should be a mutual thing involving cooperation, it shouldn't be just one party acting unilaterally. You obviously can't get a perfect 50/50 split but you should probably be hovering between 40/60 to 60/40 on average.
This is more like if I wanted to court a girl and somehow succeeded enough that she wanted to jump on my cock, that should okay.
That wouldn't be thrusting her into anything, she's be thrusting herself onto my cock, not having my cock thrust into her.
I mean AFTER that point I'd gently return some light thrusts, sure, but first-thrust? Nope.
bc i believe it would be highly dangerous and utterly degenerate in causing a demand pull of social acceptance to normalize and become okay with sexualizing children in their early-teens.
Sexualizing is adding sexuality where it is absent, but it is already present in early-teens. You're LARPing if you think 13/14 year olds don't have strong sexual impulses. You can't just have forgotten what it was like unless you've ruined your brain with drugs.
If you want my respect you'll find a term other than "sexualizing" because you aren't actually imparting something which is absent.
We're literally talking about whether it's acceptable to oppress people or not. It is oppression to inhibit people's ability to socialize with others, sexually or otherwise, directly or indirectly.
This isn't to mention that I believe it is utterly cucked for feminism because retarded jb foids that lust after like some 20yo Chads dick literally want to be degenerately fucked by him despite her being of such insanely young age (literally half the age of Chad)
That's not insanely young IMO.
There's also nothing retarded about lusting after someone attractive, that's a pretty natural impulse we've evolved.
The only retardation is being dominated solely by that and disregarding the importance of personality.
in no way do I support that cucked radical lgbt+ and feminist retarded degeneracy in any way
I'm losing track of how this connects to our topic, sorry, could you explain?
Again, this is subjective technically so u don't have to respond to it it's just my opinion, but a very strong opinion of mine. (by the way I think i sound like a passive aggressive cuck here, i absolutely dont mean to be i just really hate shit that i think is pedo).
Pedophilia is a paraphilia which requires:
a) present for at least six months
b) cause clinically important distress
c) impair work
d) cause problems with social or personal functioning
You're misusing the term if you think "I'd be open to responsibly fucking someone unusual" is enough to qualify for paraphilia.
Your ranting about "early teens" also shows you're forgetting the PREpubescent requirement: 13/14 girls are in the middle of puberty, not preceding it.
Basically if mentally you still think "pedo" your brain is using the wrong vocabulary.
That's basically guys who obsess predominantly about fucking preschoolers and are too sad/angry about the inability to do so that they can't do basic functions.
It's really an insulting thing to call a guy and I think 99% of the time gets misapplied.
TBH we should probably come up with a paraphilia diagnosis for guys who get this way about being able to fuck their looksmatch because it actually is disordered to think you can achieve your looksmatch when it is contrary to the hypergamous natural order.
Not as aberrant as those guys thinking they can score higher, of course. But realistically we should be aiming for one level lower, just recognizing how women are.
Not wrong, I mean to say that the government today would have to fund money towards this becoming a reality, which I would absolutely not support as it provides no utilitarian benefit for anyone other than those that are exclusively satisfied by fucking children.
I disagree about that: being able to have sex with teen girls (I refuse to call them children that's government propaganda) isn't just good for people who will ONLY fuck girls, but also a boon to those who would ALSO fuck them.
It's even a boon for those who WON'T fuck them, because the ALSO guys will have more options freeing up the 20s/30s women for the WON'T guys to fuck.
It's hedonistic dog shit in my opinion
As a virgin I don't have much patient being lectured about my hedonism.
You can lecture gigachad about his hedonism: he's fucking the teen girls anyway regardless of legality.
sex is already possible to the exact same degree as of currently, just with slightly older women who are currently considered to be of legal age
These women have less competition at present and thus exert undue power. They would have better attitudes with a broader ranger of competition.
With inferior bodies they'd need to work on their fitness and personalities.
As for the hypothetical of an ideal world in which a sort of sexual achievement test should exist however, I absolutely agree on that note, my contention however being that developmentally-caused regret is the key major issue here.
Sharkcel if a woman decided to be our BFs and fuck us she'd probably regret it 99% of the time anyway when she thinks "I settled, I could've had Chad if I worked harder"
It just seems like concerntrolling tbh to care about this flippant attitude of foids.
If we are decent and moral in our behaviors then there really isn't anything to regret about being with us.
By embracing concern over them regretting fucking us you're basically saying that it's justified to regret being with us.
Face it: the foids will never regret fucking gigachad. It will be a memory that gives her tingles the rest of her life.
This is all about you feeling sad she might regret fucking US: but that regret is unjustified and shouldn't have our legal policy built around it.
So this sounds like the meat of our disagreement. When I say that people don't reach full development until the age of 25. Their inherent biological cognitive systems on which their judgement lies is objectively relatively inferior to that of the capacity that they will reach at what contemporary science on the topic deems to be approximately 25 years of age (
"The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so..."). I assume that you understood me to mean that a person reaches peak amounts of knowledge and therefore experience that serves as the primary resource on which decisions are made at 25 years of age, but obviously that's not true. I am instead referring to the actual relative measured capacity itself of the human brain which I clarify above.
Prefrontal cortex BS has been pushed for decades as justification and it's complete BS which ignores plasticity of function and how teens with "undeveloped" PFCs can regularly outperform post-teens with "fully developed" PFCs in terms of responsible decision-making.
TBH in 30s feel a lot more impulsive/angry and prone to irresponsible outbursts right now than I did as a teen. PFC gets too much credit.
tbh this is def sperg level specificity of the hypothetical but pretty based lol i respect it, a licensing system would definitely be optimal in this regard.
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I'm unaware of how pierced lobes is harmful
Assuming you avoid infection you're still putting a hole in your body which things can snag on and cause further injury, even if you don't attach an even-more-snaggable earring to it.
I guess you could say that entirely cutting off your earlobes isn't technically "harmful" either if you view them as pointless decoration. Some people apparently don't even have those lobes, right?
Usually having non-scarred nerve impulses from skin is a good thing though. They're erogenous zones and that serves an inherent purpose (much like a foreskin or a clitoris) plus it can help you feel a breeze.
But yeah ight so i guess we only fundamentally rationally disagree on the topic of development and regret although we have very different subjective opinions on intuitions towards sexual activity at certain ages
Not sure what you mean by intuitions, can you elaborate as to what different intutions we have in mind?
Tbh i'm kinda bored of the topic it's just kinda some water shit where some ppl wanna fuck 10yos (which is rlly rlly fucked imo)
Calling something "fucked" seems like a convenient way of avoiding thinking deeply upon it.
What exactly is so horrible about us as potential boyfriends or companions that we would "ruin" a girl by dating her before her teens?
We're not gigachad who has so many options we look down on women as disposable objects and take them for granted and toss them to the curb for the next fresh pussy catches our eye.
you really think her mental wellbeing is going to be that much better off by not having a steady appreciative fiance and instead just playing mind-games in HS with various chadlites? she'll likely turn into a corrupt predator by the time you're willing to fuck her
, but also some ppl wanna lock others up and label them as sex offenders for mutually engaging in a relationship with a 17yo just because one of the party's in the relationship is a fucking month, day, hour, minute underage (which is also utterly degenerate imo).
whatever age you're a "month under" is still arbitrarily set nation to nation though
But yeah i think it's fair to say that in the rational sense we can agree to disagree.
Agree to disagree makes sense in the case of "chocolate is best" vs "strawberry is best".
The agreement comes from the mutual realization that taste is subjective.
But you seem to be going beyond "prefer chocolate" to "chocolate only and strawberry is fucked" so you're going beyond the boundaries of the taste-compromise.
I appreciate the not glowing the fuck out even though we disagree extremely in the subjective sense (I just have strong emotions behind the opinions because I hate being associated with pedo shit entirely).
You hate being associated with the pedo label: if you want comradery then where we can reach a mutual understanding is in the mutual recognition that "this gets called pedo" without needing to actually say "it is".
Kind of like we can all agree that inceldom gets CALLED misogynistic but it actually does not require hating all women and only a (probably small) minority actually do. There are more incels who LARP about "hate all women" for drama than who literally do.
But yeah if u respond i respect it but i prob will respond with some boring generic agree to disagree shit cause this shit is boring af to me and is super uncontroversial in the current world but ye.
You're LARPing about being bored, bored people don't respond.