It's Over The slow death of incels.is

[LeFrenchCel]

Redpill has always been bluepill with steroids tbh

 

[Nicusor_delaBraila]

Shoutout to @The Notorious SLAV for inspiring this thread with his observation:


A lot of people don't understand this, but the redpill of old (early-to-mid 2010s) was a lot different from what Tate, Scamza, and co have been pushing in the 2020s. It was arguably closer to us in some ways than it was to them, as it framed hypergamy as negative and acknowledged AWALT and foid nature being evil. When the OG RP community shrunk, it didn't completely die out but instead met a forking path. A dissident branch that was disillusioned with PUAs, game, etc. created PSL (PuaHate, Sluthate, Lookism) culture, which eventually evolved into the blackpill, while the rest of the RP community was absorbed and/or marginalized by the "improove bro" centric, trad-washed "influencer redpill" (which became mainstream).

The same thing that happened to redpill years ago is now happening to us. Over the past 2 and 1/2 years we've seen the rise of "influencer blackpill," which is effectively blackpill removed from its manosphere roots. It's the BP stripped down to looks fatalism, Chad/Stacy worship, and "it's over bro" memes, completely absent of the broader genetic determinism and critique of foids/soyciety that once characterized this community's identity. Just like influencer redpill, influencer blackpill is also improovement focused, which is the main reason it's reached such a large audience.

Some people don't seem to fully get this, but we are a small minority of this community and have been for a while. Blackpillers aren't just on .is and .org, they're on TikTok, they're on IG, they're on X, and they're in your schools, cucklleges, and workplaces. Master's forums and their userbases are a mere drop in the bucket now, and are currently undergoing a great replacement themselves. Looksmax is already mostly underage teens at this point, and though the transformation has been slower for .is (due to the high turnover rate of GrAYs), it's still happening.

The decline of this forum is getting impossible to ignore. Users are getting more brainrotted, post/thread quality has dropped, high-effort content gets no replies, and the userbase has been de-facto segregated into entire cliques/segments that do not interact with each other. Just as the blackpill was originally born out of a dying redpill, I think we also need to reinvent ourselves if we want to survive. Not just into a new forum but a new community entirely, probably dropping the "inceldom" label and focus altogether. The same aspects of systemic and female nature critique that the looksmaxxing grifters dropped is what we need to double down on, and our focus should be on structural male disadvantage (wherever it applies, dating market or elsewhere) through a blackpilled lens and male supremacist framework. Basically think of an entire forum centered around @The Notorious SLAV/@GeckoBus/@wereq type content (same focus, not necessarily as high-effort) instead of "I saw a couple outside, day ruined."

Venting and off-topic content would of course still be allowed in this hypothetical community, but betabuxx/oofy-doofy glorification ("ascension by any means necessary," "volcel if you wouldn't *x*"), performative edgelord shit, and irony-poisoning would have to go. I think the Sewers/Sewer culture would have to go as well, as that's the easiest infiltration point – any brainrotted zoomer can shitpost 6 gorillion times and LARP as an established user. What we need is an ideological purification and a restructuring from the ground up.

Ultimately I'm in no position to create a new forum, so this is equal parts a call to urgency and mere mental masturbation, but I feel it's important to say regardless. We don't have much time left, and if we want our ideas and ethos to survive, we need to evolve

What do you think the remainder of the blackpill will be?
Redpill at least had something beyond it but what is there beyond the blackpill?
What is there beyond the truth?
Even redpill(new variant)at its peak under the Tateist dynasty wasnt as strong as the Unholy Fakecel Empire of Influencer BP so our situation is a lot worse than many other old-time redpillers who faced the same peril long ago...

 

[Dregster]

Systems absolve their critques into themselves, rendering the critque without any substance or base. That is how it survives.

Can you further elab and address each point by OP, piece by piece ?

 

[endoftheskies]

Can you further elab and address each point by OP, piece by piece ?

I am talking about the blackpill losing its critque and being subsumed by the large parts of society.

 

[Jaquarius1488]

"You just need to impruuuve mang"

 

[Hoodpreet]

What do you think the remainder of the blackpill will be?
Redpill at least had something beyond it but what is there beyond the blackpill?
What is there beyond the truth?

There is nothing beyond the blackpill, which is why I said any new community we form still needs to operate through a blackpilled lens. What there is is something beyond the incelosphere, which would be MGTOW without the redpill cope, aka a true male equivalent to the radfem movement

 

[Justanotherbloke]

A lot of people don't understand this, but the redpill of old (early-to-mid 2010s) was a lot different from what Tate, Scamza, and co have been pushing in the 2020s.

Well I perfectly understand that. I knew right away that they are con artists.

 

[Nicusor_delaBraila]

There is nothing beyond the blackpill, which is why I said any new community we form still needs to operate through a blackpilled lens. What there is is something beyond the incelosphere, which would be MGTOW without the redpill cope, aka a true male equivalent to the radfem movement

So basically we try to take back society from foids?

 

[Hoodpreet]

So basically we try to take back society from foids?

More like preserve this space from gynocentrists. And also glorify checking out of the rigged system rather than pursuing betabuxx/oofy-doofy anyway

 

[SmhChan]

More like preserve this space from gynocentrists. And also glorify checking out of the rigged system rather than pursuing betabuxx/oofy-doofy anyway

The fact that most users still need to be hand-held and spoon-fed about what modern men's goals should be says a lot. I fucking lose it every time I try to interact with someone beyond the handful of users I'm used to. They are all just bluepilled idiots with just a blackpill hoodie on, filled to the brim with cucked and fem-worshipping ideas.

Like, I'd rather listen to Darkstar's nazi rants.

 

[blackpillednigga]

Then we'll just take over whatever movement takes its place

 

[_Antediluvian]

A fresh forum with stricter rules won't change anything. The whole internet is in terminal decline, replaced by an endless tide of braindead zoomers and invading normies while old school users disappear year by year. Even spaces on the dark web are being colonized now. No amount of gatekeeping or rules will stop it, they'll leak in, dilute it, and ruin it like always. Resisting the normification and zoomerification is pointless. It's already over.

 

[Sir Silentium]

There is no other site quite like this

 

[Pikacel]

IDK Incels.is seems relatively well gatekept

There’s always a fresh influx of truecels and zoomer GrAYs keep getting filtered then banned

 

[fastnbulbous]

The next step after this forum dies would have to be a biological fatalism forum

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Shoutout to @The Notorious SLAV for inspiring this thread with his observation:

Lifefuel to know I'm inspiring high-effort threads like this.

There's not much more I can add that wasn't already said. I'd love to see a consistently high-effort forum rise up after the current incel community burns itself out (if it happens), with a broader scope because why not, but I worry that would be too optimistic. Outcast communities naturally attract oddballs, after all, and those types then bring their own issues.

 

[GrAYnigger]

Brutal. Sorry for being low IQ and lazy.

 

[ain]

Basically think of an entire forum centered around @

@/The Notorious SLAV/@

@/GeckoBus/@

@/wereq type content (same focus, not necessarily as high-effort) instead of "I saw a couple outside, day ruined."

What's there to post about that's high-effort and hasn't already ran it's course? A lot of what's considered high-effort/high-IQ posts are basically paraphrased studies and articles, or water in long-form.

 

[Hoodpreet]

What's there to post about that's high-effort and hasn't already ran it's course? A lot of what's considered high-effort/high-IQ posts are basically paraphrased studies and articles, or water in long-form.

This only applies if your focus is exclusively on dating/attraction theories and lookism. There’s a lot of shit to talk about regarding male disposability, foid nature, normalized misandry, etc. That’s clearly evident from the number of users who seem to or outright claim to only hate women because they won’t fuck them

 

[caineturbat2003]

Couldn't agree more. Ironic for a 2024cel saying it, but I've started to realise that the post quality went downhill once we started 2025.

Yes, I know the forum had its own issues in 2024 such as race baity threads and such, but even then there was some effort put to it. Today's threads are just absurd comedy gold mines pretending to talk about serious issues regarding our inceldom.

Or most of it is just gloom and doom slop fest for the sake of being gloomy and doomy. Back then this type of thought was justifiable. Nowadays, it's that but for wrong reasons. Some users here might be larpers honestly. That's the impression that I get, mostly from 2025cels.

I wish I could upvote this thread, a radical shift is what we need right now.

 

[ColderManTruce]

Good
It needs to die faster

 

[incel3roar]

Shoutout to @The Notorious SLAV for inspiring this thread with his observation:


A lot of people don't understand this, but the redpill of old (early-to-mid 2010s) was a lot different from what Tate, Scamza, and co have been pushing in the 2020s. It was arguably closer to us in some ways than it was to them, as it framed hypergamy as negative and acknowledged AWALT and foid nature being evil. When the OG RP community shrunk, it didn't completely die out but instead met a forking path. A dissident branch that was disillusioned with PUAs, game, etc. created PSL (PuaHate, Sluthate, Lookism) culture, which eventually evolved into the blackpill, while the rest of the RP community was absorbed and/or marginalized by the "improove bro" centric, trad-washed "influencer redpill" (which became mainstream).

The same thing that happened to redpill years ago is now happening to us. Over the past 2 and 1/2 years we've seen the rise of "influencer blackpill," which is effectively blackpill removed from its manosphere roots. It's the BP stripped down to looks fatalism, Chad/Stacy worship, and "it's over bro" memes, completely absent of the broader genetic determinism and critique of foids/soyciety that once characterized this community's identity. Just like influencer redpill, influencer blackpill is also improovement focused, which is the main reason it's reached such a large audience.

Some people don't seem to fully get this, but we are a small minority of this community and have been for a while. Blackpillers aren't just on .is and .org, they're on TikTok, they're on IG, they're on X, and they're in your schools, cucklleges, and workplaces. Master's forums and their userbases are a mere drop in the bucket now, and are currently undergoing a great replacement themselves. Looksmax is already mostly underage teens at this point, and though the transformation has been slower for .is (due to the high turnover rate of GrAYs), it's still happening.

The decline of this forum is getting impossible to ignore. Users are getting more brainrotted, post/thread quality has dropped, high-effort content gets no replies, and the userbase has been de-facto segregated into entire cliques/segments that do not interact with each other. Just as the blackpill was originally born out of a dying redpill, I think we also need to reinvent ourselves if we want to survive. Not just into a new forum but a new community entirely, probably dropping the "inceldom" label and focus altogether. The same aspects of systemic and female nature critique that the looksmaxxing grifters dropped is what we need to double down on, and our focus should be on structural male disadvantage (wherever it applies, dating market or elsewhere) through a blackpilled lens and male supremacist framework. Basically think of an entire forum centered around @The Notorious SLAV/@GeckoBus/@wereq type content (same focus, not necessarily as high-effort) instead of "I saw a couple outside, day ruined."

Venting and off-topic content would of course still be allowed in this hypothetical community, but betabuxx/oofy-doofy glorification ("ascension by any means necessary," "volcel if you wouldn't *x*"), performative edgelord shit, and irony-poisoning would have to go. I think the Sewers/Sewer culture would have to go as well, as that's the easiest infiltration point – any brainrotted zoomer can shitpost 6 gorillion times and LARP as an established user. What we need is an ideological purification and a restructuring from the ground up.

Ultimately I'm in no position to create a new forum, so this is equal parts a call to urgency and mere mental masturbation, but I feel it's important to say regardless. We don't have much time left, and if we want our ideas and ethos to survive, we need to evolve

If this was to happen, they would need to remove the colours or make them hardet to get for how many posts you have