Shoutout to @The Notorious SLAV for inspiring this thread with his observation:
A lot of people don't understand this, but the redpill of old (early-to-mid 2010s) was a lot different from what Tate, Scamza, and co have been pushing in the 2020s. It was arguably closer to us in some ways than it was to them, as it framed hypergamy as negative and acknowledged AWALT and foid nature being evil. When the OG RP community shrunk, it didn't completely die out but instead met a forking path. A dissident branch that was disillusioned with PUAs, game, etc. created PSL (PuaHate, Sluthate, Lookism) culture, which eventually evolved into the blackpill, while the rest of the RP community was absorbed and/or marginalized by the "improove bro" centric, trad-washed "influencer redpill" (which became mainstream).
The same thing that happened to redpill years ago is now happening to us. Over the past 2 and 1/2 years we've seen the rise of "influencer blackpill," which is effectively blackpill removed from its manosphere roots. It's the BP stripped down to looks fatalism, Chad/Stacy worship, and "it's over bro" memes, completely absent of the broader genetic determinism and critique of foids/soyciety that once characterized this community's identity. Just like influencer redpill, influencer blackpill is also improovement focused, which is the main reason it's reached such a large audience.
Some people don't seem to fully get this, but we are a small minority of this community and have been for a while. Blackpillers aren't just on .is and .org, they're on TikTok, they're on IG, they're on X, and they're in your schools, cucklleges, and workplaces. Master's forums and their userbases are a mere drop in the bucket now, and are currently undergoing a great replacement themselves. Looksmax is already mostly underage teens at this point, and though the transformation has been slower for .is (due to the high turnover rate of GrAYs), it's still happening.
The decline of this forum is getting impossible to ignore. Users are getting more brainrotted, post/thread quality has dropped, high-effort content gets no replies, and the userbase has been de-facto segregated into entire cliques/segments that do not interact with each other. Just as the blackpill was originally born out of a dying redpill, I think we also need to reinvent ourselves if we want to survive. Not just into a new forum but a new community entirely, probably dropping the "inceldom" label and focus altogether. The same aspects of systemic and female nature critique that the looksmaxxing grifters dropped is what we need to double down on, and our focus should be on structural male disadvantage (wherever it applies, dating market or elsewhere) through a blackpilled lens and male supremacist framework. Basically think of an entire forum centered around @The Notorious SLAV/@GeckoBus/@wereq type content (same focus, not necessarily as high-effort) instead of "I saw a couple outside, day ruined."
Venting and off-topic content would of course still be allowed in this hypothetical community, but betabuxx/oofy-doofy glorification ("ascension by any means necessary," "volcel if you wouldn't *x*"), performative edgelord shit, and irony-poisoning would have to go. I think the Sewers/Sewer culture would have to go as well, as that's the easiest infiltration point – any brainrotted zoomer can shitpost 6 gorillion times and LARP as an established user. What we need is an ideological purification and a restructuring from the ground up.
Ultimately I'm in no position to create a new forum, so this is equal parts a call to urgency and mere mental masturbation, but I feel it's important to say regardless. We don't have much time left, and if we want our ideas and ethos to survive, we need to evolve
Wild that in just a couple of years we've seen redpill and PUA stuff decline and almost die, only to return with a vengeance (at least the former), and then start dying again like this. It really is just a cycle of new, desperate young men coming in and falling for the same stuff before getting shown the light.
A lot of people don't understand this, but the redpill of old (early-to-mid 2010s) was a lot different from what Tate, Scamza, and co have been pushing in the 2020s. It was arguably closer to us in some ways than it was to them, as it framed hypergamy as negative and acknowledged AWALT and foid nature being evil. When the OG RP community shrunk, it didn't completely die out but instead met a forking path. A dissident branch that was disillusioned with PUAs, game, etc. created PSL (PuaHate, Sluthate, Lookism) culture, which eventually evolved into the blackpill, while the rest of the RP community was absorbed and/or marginalized by the "improove bro" centric, trad-washed "influencer redpill" (which became mainstream).
The same thing that happened to redpill years ago is now happening to us. Over the past 2 and 1/2 years we've seen the rise of "influencer blackpill," which is effectively blackpill removed from its manosphere roots. It's the BP stripped down to looks fatalism, Chad/Stacy worship, and "it's over bro" memes, completely absent of the broader genetic determinism and critique of foids/soyciety that once characterized this community's identity. Just like influencer redpill, influencer blackpill is also improovement focused, which is the main reason it's reached such a large audience.
Some people don't seem to fully get this, but we are a small minority of this community and have been for a while. Blackpillers aren't just on .is and .org, they're on TikTok, they're on IG, they're on X, and they're in your schools, cucklleges, and workplaces. Master's forums and their userbases are a mere drop in the bucket now, and are currently undergoing a great replacement themselves. Looksmax is already mostly underage teens at this point, and though the transformation has been slower for .is (due to the high turnover rate of GrAYs), it's still happening.
The decline of this forum is getting impossible to ignore. Users are getting more brainrotted, post/thread quality has dropped, high-effort content gets no replies, and the userbase has been de-facto segregated into entire cliques/segments that do not interact with each other. Just as the blackpill was originally born out of a dying redpill, I think we also need to reinvent ourselves if we want to survive. Not just into a new forum but a new community entirely, probably dropping the "inceldom" label and focus altogether. The same aspects of systemic and female nature critique that the looksmaxxing grifters dropped is what we need to double down on, and our focus should be on structural male disadvantage (wherever it applies, dating market or elsewhere) through a blackpilled lens and male supremacist framework. Basically think of an entire forum centered around @The Notorious SLAV/@GeckoBus/@wereq type content (same focus, not necessarily as high-effort) instead of "I saw a couple outside, day ruined."
Venting and off-topic content would of course still be allowed in this hypothetical community, but betabuxx/oofy-doofy glorification ("ascension by any means necessary," "volcel if you wouldn't *x*"), performative edgelord shit, and irony-poisoning would have to go. I think the Sewers/Sewer culture would have to go as well, as that's the easiest infiltration point – any brainrotted zoomer can shitpost 6 gorillion times and LARP as an established user. What we need is an ideological purification and a restructuring from the ground up.
Ultimately I'm in no position to create a new forum, so this is equal parts a call to urgency and mere mental masturbation, but I feel it's important to say regardless. We don't have much time left, and if we want our ideas and ethos to survive, we need to evolve
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