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this thread is a dumpster fire, we're literally getting confused over pedophilia vs hebephilia
Yes, I have 13 year old family, and they seem smart as fuck. They had bf's and gf's and they make me feel high inhib around them.That is a terrible idea. Have you spoken to a 13 year old? They are much more a child than an adult
The point shouldn't be to stop the "abuse of power" because that's a cucked notion. The foid has to be the one to prove that power was being abused.If the point of the law is to stop abuse of power with girls who haven’t mentally developed yet then you are going to have FAR more negative outcomes than if you just set the age to 13 then put the burden of proof on the potential victims. You need an objective parameters to enforce a law, and you can’t really measure emotional maturity objectively.
I don't want it that way either, I just said it would be better, and we'd be healthier at least. Foids should just go for their looksmatches at the end of the day. The top 10% foids should only be with the top 10% chads, the top 10-20% should only be with the opposite top 10-20%, etc..Lol, there wouldn’t be less incels because if society put such emphasis on strength then every single man would be gymcelling and that would just shift the Overton window for strength to a higher point than it otherwise would have been and you’ll have the naturally strongest guys at the top taking everything. You can’t seriously believe that society would be fairer if physical strength were the determining factor over whether you get to mate or not?
That graph doesn’t prove the morality of anything. I get an urge to punch my brother in the face every time he annoys me, doesn’t make it morally justifiable to do so.
Also, you’re totally deluded to think that a father would choose an incel as a partner for his daughter. Father’s want strong virile sons in law who can protect their daughter and provide grandchildren with good genetics, not feeble, limp wristed incels.
Half of hebephilia 13 and under is classified as pedophilia basically. At least last time I remember reading about it.this thread is a dumpster fire, we're literally getting confused over pedophilia vs hebephilia
If it doesn't tell their ages and it was only done on less than 200 participants, then it's not solid enough evidence. My anecdotal evidence is just as good or better.are you fucking kidding me? you literally didn't even read the article properly. the article interviewed adolescents and young adults who had experienced child sexual abuse in general, at any point prior, not specifically when they were 5-9. so it does, in fact, include what you call "prime jbs" who were sexually exploited. there is an entire section detailing the methods that they used and if you actually payed attention to it you would know that
"Adolescents and young adults who had experienced child sexual abuse and individuals from a nonabused comparison group were asked about suicide attempts and suicidal ideation (Read this part carefully): 5 and 9 years after intake to the study. Nine years after the abuse, a national death search was carried out to ascertain the number and causes of death in the 2 groups. Logistic regression was used to assess information on demographic and family functioning variables, the sexual abuse, notifications for other child abuse, criminal convictions, and out-of-home placements that were related to the outcome variables.
Those fathers would be cucks. Jfl at giving your daughter to a man with a harem, who will probably end up pumping and dumping her and not give her any kids. The incel would be a million times better choice.Also, you’re totally deluded to think that a father would choose an incel as a partner for his daughter. Father’s want strong virile sons in law who can protect their daughter and provide grandchildren with good genetics, not feeble, limp wristed incels.
there were no suicides within the aforementioned control group, over the course of the study. we know that the actual suicide rate is 10.7 to 13.0 times higher (says it clearly in the article) because the government keeps records on who faces sexual abuse, and also keeps records on who commits suicide, and this article was distributed by the Australian government using the resources they have available to them. even then you can't just dismiss the fact that they struggle with suicidal thoughts over 4000% more than the average personIf it doesn't tell their ages and it was only done on less than 200 participants, then it's not solid enough evidence. My anecdotal incidents are just as good or better.
None of them even committed suicide, they just claimed to have "attempted" it and thought of it.
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I won't believe that unless they show us the evidence that they commit suicide 13 times more so we can examine it. The ones I know who had sex with men when they were younger are fine, and way more nt than I am.we know that the actual suicide rate is 10.7 to 13.0 times higher (says it clearly in the article) because the government keeps records on who faces sexual abuse, and also keeps records on who commits suicide, and this article was distributed by the Australian government using the resources they have available to them.
I'm not dying on any hill. Others need to accept jb fucking is ok. The jb fucking supporters relate to me too. There's nothing bad about sex with teens if they're pubescent. That's the truth at the end of the day.it actually kind of pains me to see guys who I really like and relate to and are otherwise good human beings choose "statutory rape isn't bad" as their hill to die on.
You are coping into another universe right now. I agree that morality doesn’t objectively exist and it is a construct of human psychology, but we still need it in order to have a functional society.Morality doesn't exist in a godless universe. Nor does morality exist when it comes to reproduction. The only rules are power and reproduction. That is the brutal truth we all know as AFBB. Even in all three Abrahamic religions, marriage is viable at puberty, hence the Virgin Mary being married to Joseph at 12 and Aisha to Prophet Muhammad at 9. Like I said, if gigachad wanted to marry a 9 y/o, she would glady spread her legs open and enjoy every second
Even then, you act as if this even is immoral. Why? Grooming works! It creates a loyal, obedient wife. Just look at the pic I posted few posts back of a 22 y/o marrying a 9 y/o. Their marriage worked, and they had plenty of kids. It allows you to mold her to your liking, and by being intimate with her when she is immpresionable, it creates a far stronger bond.
My arguments wasn't necassarily about incels. Even then, incels are more moral and have more wealth than chads, so if we were to assume this is taking place in a more, say, Christian soceity, yes, most fathers would place the morals and provider traits of a potential husband over his genes. As long as he isn't a truecel anyways, meaning even guys who are 5'5 could get married.
Proportinally speaking, most incels are below 4/10, does that mean 5/10 can't?The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed
Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Proportionally speaking, a greater proportion of pedophiles are gay relative to their demographic size in the population. So yes, there is a small relationship between pedophilia and homosexuality. But that is beside what my original point was, i.e. that a man being attracted to a 14 year old girl is completely different to being attracted to a 5 year old boy. One of them is basically normal (all heterosexual men report being attracted to young females to a reduced extent) while the other is severe mental illness.
tbh, 12 is a bit low imo but still, fair pointI agree, but only if your definition of "pedophile" isn't cucked.
Being attracted to girls who are in puberty or have finished puberty is not pedophilia (12-17 age range.)
Whatever, 13 then. You know what I mean. When girls start acting and dressing sexual it's 100% normal to be attracted to them.tbh, 12 is a bit low imo but still, fair point
high iq tbhWhatever, 13 then. You know what I mean. When girls start acting and dressing sexual it's 100% normal to be attracted to them.
Why are guys who are attracted to 14 and 15 year old post pubescent females being put on the same level as faggots who want to fuck 5 year old boys?
You do realize that said 14 and 15 year old girls have likely had sex already? They've already taken cocks inside all of their holes, many of those cocks from adult men?
You are coping into another universe right now. I agree that morality doesn’t objectively exist and it is a construct of human psychology, but we still need it in order to have a functional society.
Otherwise you can make the same justification for having a sexual relationship with a newborn baby, and I hope to hell you wouldn’t condone that.
Your opinion on grooming is entirely anecdotal:
The University of Minnesota, studied data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and found that compared to teen girls with a same-aged partner, girls in 7th through 12th grades who had sex with a partner more than one year older had higher levels of subsequent depression and psychological issues, the effect was accentuated by the a further the age gap between the girl and the man in question.
You’re selecting your own anecdotal evidence to justify your personal sexual urges in the same way pedos who fuck 5 year olds stretch the definition of ‘consent’ in order to justify what they do.
A man's attractiveness plays a BIG role. We can extrapolate why female domestic abuse victims keep coming back to Chad and apply it to grooming.
I’m not saying it would kill them, but it’s pretty gross to me that anyone would want to fuck someone who’s mentally closer to a child in terms of behavior.
I mean I totally I condemn both, though there is evidence to suggest that children can receive long-term mental scarring as a result of fucking a grown adult whereas I’ve never seen a study suggest that for a dog.
Child sexual abuse accounted for only 1% of the variance in later psychological adjustment, whereas family environment accounted for 5.9% of the variance.
Child Sexual Abuse: A Replication of the Meta-analytic Examination of Child Sexual Abuse by Rind, Tromovitch, and Bauserman (1998) | Request PDF
Request PDF | On Jan 1, 2005, H. Ulrich and others published Child Sexual Abuse: A Replication of the Meta-analytic Examination of Child Sexual Abuse by Rind, Tromovitch, and Bauserman (1998) | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGatewww.researchgate.net
Facts, I don't know why people act like 15 year old foids are innocent little girls. 5 years olds, sure I completely agree. But go on TikTok and look at how 15 year olds behave. These whores know exactly what they're doing and consenting to lmaoWhy are guys who are attracted to 14 and 15 year old post pubescent females being put on the same level as faggots who want to fuck 5 year old boys?
You do realize that said 14 and 15 year old girls have likely had sex already? They've already taken cocks inside all of their holes, many of those cocks from adult men?
I agree, but only if your definition of "pedophile" isn't cucked.
"old enough to bleed old enough to breed".
this is the only rational stance on this topic, all the shit you typed is nonsensical
You didn’t ‘use science’ you refuted a study based on a feeling you had and then failed to provide one of your own as a counter.So on what basis do you say marrying pubescents causes a disfunctional society when we know in the past, back when things were far more stable, that marriages happened at far far younger age?
Nope, not even close, and it's insulting you'd even make that comparison. There is a difference between a baby who's main bodily functions are still developing and a pubescent female who has sexually matured, desires sexual contact, and is fertile. If she's got tits and ass, she's not a lass. Simple as.
Sorry, I'm not buying that study, especially when other factors can come into play, and especially when we have other studies that further show that women actually prefer age gaps. In fact, the so-called depression and psychological issues can easily be as a result of them whoring out so much, which, now that I think about it, makes more sense than somehow arbitrarily being depressed simply because the male was a year or so older.Or that the older male abused his power over her, which I am not against anyways.
Nope, I am simply using science and history. As long as she is a pubescent with a body capable of handling intercourse, then its fair game.
High iq. Fuck those who are ok with male genital mutilation then tell you not to date pubescent foids because it "damages them for life". What faggots tbh.There are cultures where 7-8-year-old boys traditionally have their foreskins cut off without anesthesia in a public ceremony. There is no evidence that this causes any long-term mental scarring. I've talked to individuals who had this done to them as children, and all were perfectly well-adjusted adults without any signs of dysfunction or mental damage.
Yet there are people who seriously seem to believe that manipulating a girl into performing oral sex on a man is a crime so heinous that the perpetrator deserves life in imprisonment, even though the likelihood of such an act causing long-term damage is small.
You didn’t ‘use science’ you refuted a study based on a feeling you had and then failed to provide one of your own as a counter.
History was different, we can never turn things back to how they were. I have never seen a study that says women ‘prefer age gaps’ as you claim, I’ve only seen it claimed that women are more likely to date an older man than a man is to date an older woman and vice-versa. In fact, every study I’ve seen suggests that couples of similar age are far more likely to have sustainable and lasting relationships to couples where there is a major age disparity. The fact the prefrontal cortex is at a closer level of development to a 5 year old child than to a 20 year old in a 15 year old adolescent is cause for concern when considering whether they should be in relationships with people who are much older, regardless of whether or not they are more sexually aware than a 5 year old or whether you personally find them more attractive than an older female.
Congrats, you have reached IT levels of Cherrypicking by choosing perhaps the most famously outlandish case in history to back your point. DaNnY DeViTo GoT LaId So CaN YoU!!!!!!1”Yes, because we know damn well girls whore out very early these days. That is where the psychological harm and depression comes from, from being WHORES. But of course, no """scientific"""" study is gonna show that or even claim it, since it goes against (((feminism))). Age gaps have absolutely nothing to do with mental problems emerging nor does the girls age. What matters is if the older male abuses his power or if the girl, regardless of age, is a pubescent or not.
Literally google search and you get studies that show this. And as if empirical evidence around you isnt enough
Why Many Young Women May Prefer to Be With Older Men
Digging into the stereotypes.www.psychologytoday.com
That's utter bullshit. A 15 year old absolutely does not have a mind closer to a 5 year old than a 20 year old. Kids at that age in the past would fight and even lead armies, get married, and raise children. Are you looking at studies of retarded people?
Nope, there is no concern at all. You are going off of your feelings talking about muh age gap and muh innocence. You can't even articulate why it is bad for a girl to be with an older, reliable man. Again, not talking about abuse here. We're not talking about some hook up. We are talking about a reliable, moral man who has been screened by the girl's father. We are speaking in the context of a man who is genuine in taking care of his wife.
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Thank god for people like you on this forum tbh.Congrats, you have reached IT levels of Cherrypicking by choosing perhaps the most famously outlandish case in history to back your point. DaNnY DeViTo GoT LaId So CaN YoU!!!!!!1”
Did you actually read the article you linked me? Or did you just type the general theme of what you wanted into google and then send me the article with the most appropriate title? She is talking about a situation with two fully grown adults, not one where one of the people’s brain is still developing.
I didn’t say that a 15 year old has a more similar mind to a 5 year old in every way. I said that in adolescents, the prefrontal lobe (which is the area of the brain that is most involved in rational deliberation for long and short term decision making) is closer to that of a 5 year old than that of a 20 year old, which is objectively true if you care to look at that graph I linked that shows neural activity in various parts of the brain throughout juvenile development. This is a case of averages, the fact some teenagers throughout history were able to accomplish amazing feats and lead armies to victory doesn’t negate that fact, just as the fact there are some 15 year olds who can graduate Harvard with a degree in computer science whilst many others are shoving pencils in their nose thinking they’re being funny.
Society doesn’t permit for someone to enter into any kind of relationship where there is a major power dynamic at play before their brain has developed to an adequate degree (16 in most countries) that is why you don’t let kids younger than that negotiate financial contracts and things like that. It may make you hard to imagine a romantic scenario in which you have all the psychological power but there is a reason society doesn’t allow it.
What I never understand about this argument is the idea that younger girls (or their fathers) would be more likely to accept an incel as a long term partner than a boy their own age. No pubescent girl wants a balding 25 year old subhuman to carry pass on her genes, and any father is going to be hugely disapproving of such a relationship.
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I didn’t say that a 15 year old has a more similar mind to a 5 year old in every way. I said that in adolescents, the prefrontal lobe (which is the area of the brain that is most involved in rational deliberation for long and short term decision making) is closer to that of a 5 year old than that of a 20 year old, which is objectively true if you care to look at that graph I linked that shows neural activity in various parts of the brain throughout juvenile development. This is a case of averages, the fact some teenagers throughout history were able to accomplish amazing feats and lead armies to victory doesn’t negate that fact, just as the fact there are some 15 year olds who can graduate Harvard with a degree in computer science whilst many others are shoving pencils in their nose thinking they’re being funny.
The eye-tracking data shows that prior to decisions being made, adolescents acquire more information, and they engage in a more analytic processing strategy indicative of trade-offs between decision variables and are more likely to make conservative, loss-minimizing choices consistent with economic models
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ring_Decision_Making_Revealed_by_Eye_Tracking
Society doesn’t permit for someone to enter into any kind of relationship where there is a major power dynamic at play before their brain has developed to an adequate degree (16 in most countries)
It is notable that recent scanning data collected by Eric Courchesne and his colleagues at the University of California, San Diego, show that brain volume peaks at about age 14. By the time we are 70 years old, our brain has shrunk to the size it had been when we were about three. Source
Thank god for high iq cels like you.You do understand that this in no way means that 15-year-olds decision-making faculties are similar to those of 5 year-olds, right? Neuroscience is a field that is still in its relative infancy. For all way know, the prefrontal cortex of teenagers might make-up for its smaller size by working more efficiently.
You need to support your claims with data from behavioral science in order for your argument to make logical sense. Even though the average teenager is almost certainly more impulsive and less rational than the average adult, given the fact that they're more likely to get into car accidents and such, as you have said yourself, there are probably many teenagers and even some children who are less impulsive and more rational than many or some adults.
If adolescents' rational faculties are as underdeveloped as you claim they are, how do you explain the conclusions of studies like this one which found that in some ways, they are actually more rational than adults?
The Problem With Teens Is That They're Just Too Rational
Teenagers aren't always risk-taking gamblers; they put a lot of effort into weighing financial choices, a study finds. Adults are more apt to adopt rules and quickly make choices that are good enough.www.npr.org
Brain volume peaks at age 14 and declines afterward. 70-year-olds have smaller brains than prepubescent children.
Do you also believe that 70-year-olds should be barred from entering into any kind of relationship where there is a major "power dynamic at play" because of the diminished size of their brains?
hebephilla =/= pedophilia
Yeah, no shit. Developing brains are more heuristic in nature so there are some tasks that kids and teens are able to learn to perform quicker than adults can. I am referring to the act of long-term decision making here, you said it yourself; you do not need a study to prove that teenage decision making processes are more impulsive and shortsighted than that of a grown adult - even the study you cited admits to this. By the justification you used there, a child in the 2-5 year age range may be considered as mentally proficient as an adult simply because their minds are heuristically primed to learn a second language faster than an adult’s ever could, that doesn’t have legs.You do understand that this in no way means that 15-year-olds decision-making faculties are similar to those of 5 year-olds, right? Neuroscience is a field that is still in its relative infancy. For all way know, the prefrontal cortex of teenagers might make-up for its smaller size by working more efficiently.
You need to support your claims with data from behavioral science in order for your argument to make logical sense. Even though the average teenager is almost certainly more impulsive and less rational than the average adult, given the fact that they're more likely to get into car accidents and such, as you have said yourself, there are probably many teenagers and even some children who are less impulsive and more rational than many or some adults.
If adolescents' rational faculties are as underdeveloped as you claim they are, how do you explain the conclusions of studies like this one which found that in some ways, they are actually more rational than adults?
Congrats, you have reached IT levels of Cherrypicking by choosing perhaps the most famously outlandish case in history to back your point. DaNnY DeViTo GoT LaId So CaN YoU!!!!!!1”
Did you actually read the article you linked me? Or did you just type the general theme of what you wanted into google and then send me the article with the most appropriate title? She is talking about a situation with two fully grown adults, not one where one of the people’s brain is still developing.
I didn’t say that a 15 year old has a more similar mind to a 5 year old in every way. I said that in adolescents, the prefrontal lobe (which is the area of the brain that is most involved in rational deliberation for long and short term decision making) is closer to that of a 5 year old than that of a 20 year old, which is objectively true if you care to look at that graph I linked that shows neural activity in various parts of the brain throughout juvenile development.
This is a case of averages, the fact some teenagers throughout history were able to accomplish amazing feats and lead armies to victory doesn’t negate that fact, just as the fact there are some 15 year olds who can graduate Harvard with a degree in computer science whilst many others are shoving pencils in their nose thinking they’re being funny.
Society doesn’t permit for someone to enter into any kind of relationship where there is a major power dynamic at play before their brain has developed to an adequate degree (16 in most countries) that is why you don’t let kids younger than that negotiate financial contracts and things like that. It may make you hard to imagine a romantic scenario in which you have all the psychological power but there is a reason society doesn’t allow it.
What I never understand about this argument is the idea that younger girls (or their fathers) would be more likely to accept an incel as a long term partner than a boy their own age. No pubescent girl wants a balding 25 year old subhuman to carry pass on her genes, and any father is going to be hugely disapproving of such a relationship.
if you think someone should be executed for dating jb foids you're a cuck. the punishment doesn't even fit the crime.Only thing pedos deserve is a bullet to the brain nothing else.
The idea of a grown man fucking one of these girls is extremely disgusting to me, I’m honestly shocked so many guys here are into that. I think it comes as a result of arrested development from having missed out on relationships as a teen.
soyboy cuck femnist detectedYeah, no shit. Developing brains are more heuristic in nature so there are some tasks that kids and teens are able to learn to perform quicker than adults can. I am referring to the act of long-term decision making here, you said it yourself; you do not need a study to prove that teenage decision making processes are more impulsive and shortsighted than that of a grown adult - even the study you cited admits to this. By the justification you used there, a child in the 2-5 year age range may be considered as mentally proficient as an adult simply because their minds are heuristically primed to learn a second language faster than an adult’s ever could, that doesn’t have legs.
I accounted for the fact some children and teens will be more rational than some adults in an earlier post in this thread, of course I’m not telling you that every teenager will respond in the exact same way under the exact same circumstances. What I am telling you though, is that with regard to law, there has to be an objectively quantifiable metric such as age as a watershed because ‘emotional maturity’ and ‘rationality’ are not metrics that can be meaningfully quantified universally and would cause chaos if used as an alternative in the case of law.
I’m sorry, but it is well documented in neuroscience that the prefrontal cortex is the domain of rational thought and decision making. Your example about 70+ year olds and their reduced brain mass doesn’t hold water because the brain isn’t like other organs in the body in that it isn’t an unmoving embodiment of everything you are 100% of the time. You are essentially a multifaceted (often contradictory) being embodying different psychological shades of yourself dependent on which neural pathways in your brain happen to be firing at that given moment, in old people this process is much more stable and evenly spread across every area of the brain, even if it has slowed down to some degree as a result in the decrease in brain density. Simply put; If you are a teen who lacks the degree of prefrontal lobe pathways present in a fully grown adult then there is (generally speaking, there are exceptions) a power disparity between you and them, and you shouldn’t be engaged in a relationship where an imbalance of power can lead to a future unfavourable outcome that you may at some point regret - that is what the law accounts for.
I’m sure you hold this same position when it comes matters of to finance, no 15 year old should be able to enter into a long term financial commitment with someone who’s mind is far more developed than their own. It’s just where attraction is concerned it seems judgement is more often clouded, I’d imagine if your personal preference weren’t for girls of that age then perhaps your rationalisations on this subject may have taken a different direction.
hotWow this is a truly unproductive, slothful conversation, what are you doing talking like if you were some big shot? in reality you are just a powerless bottom of the barrel individual, wasting time on this stupid forum filled with worthless humans that have already resign in improving their situation.
Meanwhile successful people will continue to enjoy cunny and there is NOTHING you can do, keep being mad moralfags!
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There's nothing wrong with binding a 15 year old to a financial contract if they have good enough credit and can prove they can make the monthly payments. A financial commitment also takes a lot more responsibility than just having sex, not every teen can do it easily these days, but every teen foid can have sex and take birth control, or get an abortion in the worst case.I’m sure you hold this same position when it comes matters of to finance, no 15 year old should be able to enter into a long term financial commitment with someone who’s mind is far more developed than their own. It’s just where attraction is concerned it seems judgement is more often clouded, I’d imagine if your personal preference weren’t for girls of that age then perhaps your rationalisations on this subject may have taken a different direction.
Jfl at regret rape. There's no such thing. It's just foids trying to get back at the men who pumped and dumped them, or they just want him to get in trouble because they think he's ugly.Simply put; If you are a teen who lacks the degree of prefrontal lobe pathways present in a fully grown adult then there is (generally speaking, there are exceptions) a power disparity between you and them, and you shouldn’t be engaged in a relationship where an imbalance of power can lead to a future unfavourable outcome that you may at some point regret - that is what the law accounts for.
The idea of a grown man fucking one of these girls is extremely disgusting to me, I’m honestly shocked so many guys here are into that. I think it comes as a result of arrested development from having missed out on relationships as a teen.
>regret rape
lmfao come on
If your main issue is power imbalance then it can be seen everywhere, not just with jb's. A smart person has a power imbalance in their favor over an average person, a rich person has a power imbalance over a poor person, foids have a power imbalance over non-chad men with all the cucked laws in place, but that doesn't mean people should be restricted from negotiating things with each other.