No government is justified

[hierophant]

We are compelled to ask ourselves, what government is justified or best suited to mankind? In reality, when pressed are demanded to produce one question which once answered leads to the rest. Does man have the right to rule over other men? At first glance it is tempting to answer yes, but once answered, vices follow suit, coercion, violence and taxes. Are we to assume that a man or a group of men should rule? Onto itself, no man rules alone this is the truth since man observed the position of the stars, man if he does rule at its lowest with man's approval, at its worst without opinion and only onto one's will.

Freedom is the natural estate of man, he was born free but did not possess a comprehension of that state, a lack of appreciation if you will. Government onto itself is synthetic, it is an unnatural fuel which combust at the slightest imbalanced mixture; no authority is inherently to be obeyed it has only ever been so, when one has been broken at the core of his being. No man obeys who first did not consent within himself, it is a internal acceptance and only from it is the tyrant permitted to act as he does. The first principle therefore, that no government is natural and secondly that consent is the basis of social society, for nothing can be done to you, what you first did not allow.

It was said "if you do not know your rights, you do not have them" this is incorrect, an individual has rights regardless whether he knows them or not, it is in his state of unknowing that he does not know, when he becomes aware in his understanding, only the does increased and complex behavior occur.

To be concise, it is unnatural, it has not a natural existence compared to the existence of the current beings residing in this realm. Government is an abstract with real world consequences which have been negative. Government is largely based upon violence, contradiction and coercion. Henceforth, Government is unnatural and not justified.

 

[gracious sub5]

Freedom is the natural estate of man

Disagree a little bit. Most people desire a authority to some extent but modern government are way too authoritarian

 

[hierophant]

Disagree a little bit. Most people desire a authority to some extent but modern government are way too authoritarian

when you say "Most people desire a authority" you word that as a kind of authority, so why would that be?

 

[gracious sub5]

when you say "Most people desire a authority" you word that as a kind of authority, so why would that be?

We desire authority because deep down human beings crave structure, safety, and guidance. Authority isn't just about control, a good authority will reduces chaos by providing clear direction. I worded it as kind of authority because by providing safety and structure requires the power and right to give orders and make others obey and that is the definition of authority

 

[Pikacel]

Govt mogs

Anarchy is cortisol fuel

 

[fokusin]

Disagree a little bit. Most people desire a authority to some extent but modern government are way too authoritarian

Authoritarianism is based

 

[xek000000kk]

Like lower-level herd organizations, government will also be "part of nature," serving and having its power amplified by those who benefit from it. Anyone of us who is born into and benefits from it has signed an invisible contract with the government; then you are a part of it and its property, whether it is just or not no longer matters, because the justness you believe in only exists if you have the power to impose it. The nature of government is also the nature of humanity; we are cult-like creatures.
Power is part of nature and is the god that rules all living things.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Government gives us public services like free transportation, free schools, cheaper healthcare

Getting rid of the government (and the idea of state in general) would just make the class struggle even worse than it already is atm

 

[hierophant]

We desire authority because deep down human beings crave structure, safety, and guidance. Authority isn't just about control, a good authority will reduces chaos by providing clear direction. I worded it as kind of authority because by providing safety and structure requires the power and right to give orders and make others obey and that is the definition of authority

The difference between an individual & government, is that a man may provide those nessecities, food, water, shelter, sex and validation; but a group of men have no intention, no government has existed justly nor does government provide structure nor safety, it in fact causes chaos and control. We learn in family's the father who's grip over his family is strong is resented, hence even family serves as an example that when family acts in similar capacity may produce the same results as a government.

A father does not demanding back the good he does, government demands certain freedoms forgone.

A mother nourishes, a government devoures.

 

[Morbilius]

We desire authority because deep down human beings crave structure, safety, and guidance. Authority isn't just about control, a good authority will reduces chaos by providing clear direction. I worded it as kind of authority because by providing safety and structure requires the power and right to give orders and make others obey and that is the definition of authority

Think people are to rigid on what this ultimately achieves though. This could easily divulge into a big brother situation where questioning an authority isn't allowed and it becomes to big to fail. Mass exodus of people relying on the government as surrogate fathers or allowing them to brainwash the youth which we very much see today in a bigger scale then ever before. Obviously we want society to be structured and chaos is far more destructive then any authority could ever be, but there is still a balance needed.

 

[gracious sub5]

Think people are to rigid on what this ultimately achieves though. This could easily divulge into a big brother situation where questioning an authority isn't allowed and it becomes to big to fail. Mass exodus of people relying on the government as surrogate fathers or allowing them to brainwash the youth which we very much see today in a bigger scale then ever before. Obviously we want society to be structured and chaos is far more destructive then any authority could ever be, but there is still a balance needed.

Yes, big, over bearing government is not good. I am not arguing against that

 

[Morbilius]

Yes, big, over bearing government is not good. I am not arguing against that

Np just wanted to expand on your point that's all

 

[gracious sub5]

but a group of men have no intention

Why would a group of people won't have interest to care for their group?

nor does government provide structure nor safety

Welfare provide financial safety to a lot of people and police provide safety from criminal and gives structure by establishing a rule of law

government demands certain freedoms forgone.

Freedom is not all good

 

[retardfuel30]

Niggers out of government

 

[hierophant]

Government gives us public services like free transportation, free schools, cheaper healthcare

Getting rid of the government (and the idea of state in general) would just make the class struggle even worse than it already is atm

When the internet was invented it was a power, a tool which once the public had access to it, allowed for the world to improve by access to information and others; this tool unto itself can be hacked, remade, improved and used in many varieties- as mans nature is to comprehend, the nature of the computer is to compute, as governments nature is control. It can provide these services at the conscription, coercion and threat of violence for these services and use them to bind the people to itself aka those with power will use it to control the behavior of others. where as one benefits every and everything around it, the other control constrains and brings into slavery.

 

[hierophant]

Why would a group of people won't have interest to care for their group?

Welfare provide financial safety to a lot of people and police provide safety from criminal and gives structure by establishing a rule of law

Freedom is not all good

Reality is the most effective and surest way to provide evidence of the matter, @gracious sub5 Do we have moments in history of abuse by kings? Have we records of abuse by Emperor's? Indeed all history shows us, whether man under different titles, princes of different factions, prove that regardless of race or class, men are more apt to abuse their powers and abilities- that and to recruit the abilities of others to help enable them in their desire for conflict. Essentially, it is a deranged and parasitic group who intends to keep their position over others and would have others in a state of ignorance in order to continue their existence.

A police force is not based upon the enforcement of law, nor is welfare a concept original to the modern day. A mercenary is one who gives his military service in exchange for money, who's service is not held by the same standard as a military man in an national army. Welfare when control'd by government is a tool, not a natural arm but a means to bind a people to a certain position at its will.

Are you saying not all freedom is good?

 

[INVERTER]

You're not wrong government is based on authority and violence but so is mostly everything. It's a reality of life. The only time government did not exist formally was pre civilization when the forces of production were too primitive to produce "extra" wealth other than sustenance wealth. Once class and surplus emerged, then so did the state. Until underlying class antagonisms are abolished, the state must continue to exist. No amount of poetry from the 1700s will change that.

 

[hierophant]

You're not wrong government is based on authority and violence but so is mostly everything. It's a reality of life. The only time government did not exist formally was pre civilization when the forces of production were too primitive to produce "extra" wealth other than sustenance wealth. Once class and surplus emerged, then so did the state. Until underlying class antagonisms are abolished, the state must continue to exist. No amount of poetry from the 1700s will change that.

Reality of life is not a matter of fact, but as a matter of circumstance. It is a matter of fact when one says that "in the current state, there is much suffering", this would be in fact true, but as man changes, so can his internal and mental states.

 

[RandomGuy]

A mother nourishes, a government devoures.

Government has a monopoly on violence.

 

[RandomGuy]

Niggers out of government

 

[nihilum]

Socialist Pan-European nationalist anti-feminist government is justified.