I'm wage slaving at a factory and it's probably around 70% foids. I've noticed that the majority of them are married or in a relationship and work part time because chad or normie cuck has a better job that pays the bills for them.
Yup that was also my experience. A Gen Y/Z/Alpha womens life will basically be:
Simpcashing on Onlyfans in their 20s while hooking up with Chad on the regular.
Then settle down with a Betabuxx Upper Normie in their 30s and only work part time.
If everything goes smoothly they might do whats called a pro gamer move: Marry the Betabuxx and divorce right after, take 50% of everything hes got and then live of that and occassionally Swipe on Tinder to live on the Simpconomy.
Never have kids, die peacefully after getting dragged to your 90s by younger mens money.
Its literally what I would do if I had the right gender.
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"just get off the internet and make friends" is bullshit
Yeah not even kidding i will turn 27 in summer and pretty i finished uni, uni/college is pretty much your last chance at anything ( and that chance is already extremaly small )
Indeed we get the bad ending
Uni is the last place with women for warm approaches
Yes sorta relate. I have a job (everyone seems to be ok)
Made a few mates outside of work, they all had GFs who some were decent some were twats some I was the twat.
Overall socialmaxxing didn’t work for me either so I’m sorry it didn’t work for you mate, even if there’s some relateablitity factors that make it easier to cope hopefully for us both
Why does your avi look like Pepe is sucking a dick ?
Since you can enter uni at any age, what do you think is the last year where you have a realistic chance to ascend ?
Cope, you think you will get MuH wOmAnZz at a wageslave 9-5? You’ll get fired immediately lmao. In my 4 years of uni, 80% of the sexhavers who are in a relationship met their partner in the lectures / uni parties / uni social circle
My chances are like 0.5 % now.
You misunderstand, I mean that it's the last chance you'll get
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Reminds me of high school
sorry 
Interesting
Being in my mid 30s now I have basically zero contact with women in my private life. For the sole reason that I and them are living fundamentally different lives and our paths simply never cross. There's really no solution to this
I can comment on this sorta.
I had a phase that started last May and lasted till about December last year. I went out to bars all the time, friends houses, all that shit.
It was fun and whatever, but talking to the few women I did didn't lead to shit. They barely gave a fuck I existed, if they even did, let alone even gave me a chance to do ANYTHING with them.
The reason these normalfags suggest it is that it's purely a "numbers game".
If you're a mid ass looking dude, you need to talk to 10,000 girls for even one of them to LOOK at you. It's a joke.
I had a phase that started last May and lasted till about December last year. I went out to bars all the time, friends houses, all that shit.
It was fun and whatever, but talking to the few women I did didn't lead to shit. They barely gave a fuck I existed, if they even did, let alone even gave me a chance to do ANYTHING with them.
The reason these normalfags suggest it is that it's purely a "numbers game".
If you're a mid ass looking dude, you need to talk to 10,000 girls for even one of them to LOOK at you. It's a joke.
Tried normiemaxxing my first year of university and came out of it with nothing but embarrassing experiences. Tried a little bit again in second year then dropped out.
Stacy life is just not better than chad
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this has been a fascinating thread to go back and read from page 1.
I honestly think from the way the OP described his situation, two things jumped out at me:
1) He all but admitted he may have had a chance with his match(not only looksmatch but overall match including other domains), but just wasn't interested in pursuing that. But isn't this what we slam women for?
2) Given my impression is that the OP really only wanted to date 5-5.5/10 type women who also had good personalities and good 'extras', I think the only way to do that in his case would have been statusmax/careermax. I get the impression he was a modestly successful programmer with a 'good' job, decent salary, corporate benefits, etc.....if he's trying to date 1+ point above him, especially when you take into account the smv differences in the genders(which really makes that 2-2.5 pts), he needed *something* to bridge that gap. Because he's not comparing against chads obviously; he's competing against midd tier normies. And my guess is if he could have become like a managing partner or head of development(heck I don't know what you guys call each other in IT) and make 5-600k per year instead of whatever it is he made he would have gotten the 5-5.5 type girl with a good personality he wanted. But.....and I get the sense he knows this, he never really gave any of these girls a reason to pick him over a mid tier normie who was a little better looking.
I think in my case, I was in the same boat in that in my mid and late 30s I had plenty of 3-3.5/10 type women that wanted a relationship. I didn't go for that then because......well, I'd rather just be single. So I was hoping for 5-6/10 type girls that I also liked; that was my target. And here is the thing- I think many of those girls really wished I could have matched with them. Had I been like the OP(and maybe a 4/10 physically) that would have been marginal enough for these 5-6/10 women I really wanted to go "well, he's not really what I want physically, but he's not *that* bad. But on the plus side if we got married I could stay home, we could buy a house in the neighborhood I always wanted to live in, we can have a lake or beach house, etc" The problem is I never got to a 4/10. I was always residing more in the 2.75-3.25/10 area. And the women just......couldn't do it. And I don't blame them.
If the OP could have borrowed a little status/income from me he probably get have got the girl he wanted. And had I been able to borrow the OP's mildly below average looks I could have gotten what I wanted. (we both sound NT for what it's worth)
But what it wasn't to be lol.....excellent thread to read.
I honestly think from the way the OP described his situation, two things jumped out at me:
1) He all but admitted he may have had a chance with his match(not only looksmatch but overall match including other domains), but just wasn't interested in pursuing that. But isn't this what we slam women for?
2) Given my impression is that the OP really only wanted to date 5-5.5/10 type women who also had good personalities and good 'extras', I think the only way to do that in his case would have been statusmax/careermax. I get the impression he was a modestly successful programmer with a 'good' job, decent salary, corporate benefits, etc.....if he's trying to date 1+ point above him, especially when you take into account the smv differences in the genders(which really makes that 2-2.5 pts), he needed *something* to bridge that gap. Because he's not comparing against chads obviously; he's competing against midd tier normies. And my guess is if he could have become like a managing partner or head of development(heck I don't know what you guys call each other in IT) and make 5-600k per year instead of whatever it is he made he would have gotten the 5-5.5 type girl with a good personality he wanted. But.....and I get the sense he knows this, he never really gave any of these girls a reason to pick him over a mid tier normie who was a little better looking.
I think in my case, I was in the same boat in that in my mid and late 30s I had plenty of 3-3.5/10 type women that wanted a relationship. I didn't go for that then because......well, I'd rather just be single. So I was hoping for 5-6/10 type girls that I also liked; that was my target. And here is the thing- I think many of those girls really wished I could have matched with them. Had I been like the OP(and maybe a 4/10 physically) that would have been marginal enough for these 5-6/10 women I really wanted to go "well, he's not really what I want physically, but he's not *that* bad. But on the plus side if we got married I could stay home, we could buy a house in the neighborhood I always wanted to live in, we can have a lake or beach house, etc" The problem is I never got to a 4/10. I was always residing more in the 2.75-3.25/10 area. And the women just......couldn't do it. And I don't blame them.
If the OP could have borrowed a little status/income from me he probably get have got the girl he wanted. And had I been able to borrow the OP's mildly below average looks I could have gotten what I wanted. (we both sound NT for what it's worth)
But what it wasn't to be lol.....excellent thread to read.
all single women share Chad
every true Chad fucks 5+ different women at around the same time
they rather be chads fleshlight once or twice a week until shes 35, rather than consider full commitment with a sub 6
80/20 rule was like 10 years ago its probably 95/5 now
this is too corny to not be satire. There's no way right?
theres no way in hell this guy thought he said anything new whatsoever. We used to pin and parodize posts like this from IT back in 2016.
Your best cooked comment is a replica copy pasta from 9 years ago, u must be proud
Interesting analysis, however most of my gripe is the availability of women. Everything is a desert when it comes to available fertile women. Perhaps I am thinking too much of myself, but I don't think landing a 5/10 with something going for her is too much of an ask given my "stats". But it's just not really feasible given my enviroment.
All the incursions I undertake into "social spaces" that could potentially lead to something end up being vagina deserts. Over and over again constantly. I sometimes talk to women but get cockblocked by their friends or I am given the fuck off signals. And these are women within my "league".
These highly competetive enviroments produce performative asexuals that go dance in all female groups and then cockblock each other. Maybe they don't cockblock each other for Chad, hoping for a threesome, but what do I know how these interactions go there.
Whether I could get a fat 4/10 is another question, perhaps I can't even do that, perhaps I am protecting my own ego by not even trying to find out.
Anyway I need a lukewarm approach enviroment, not cold approach psychpathic fuckfest enviroments where my subpar looks are worthless
Good luck finding that ''approach enviroment'' in 2025
Yeah no shit.
I do know this. At my corporate job, I am just that "quiet guy in the corner office". I know better than to initiate anything, because it would easily turn in to "that creepy guy in the corner office" and then getting chewed out by HR. Not only would it probably fail spectacularly, but there is a reason why the phrase "Don't shit where you eat!" exists.
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but is it really reasonable to ask? I mean think about it....a 5/10 woman can go online and get an occasional 8/10 guy to have casual sex with her, an occasional 7/10 guy even somewhat date her, and a 6/10 guy even ltr her. Thats just the smv gender gap we all know.
You've said you are either a 3/10 or 4/10, and implied that now and amongst the relevant population(ie not ethnic or older girls) it's more 3 than 4.
So think about it- thats a big gap in looks? A hypothetical 5/10 girl you want(with 'something going for her' too) has her eyes dreaming of 7's. Big big difference between a 3-4 and 6-7; so that gets to the heart of the question- what is the plan to bridge that gap with enough of these girls to give yourself a chance? Even if the availability issue was solved.
I'm older than you, but when I was your age and still trying I remember very much how it felt. I just think that even if the access to women issue were solved, you still need a few things(beyond just having a solid job, NT, good friend group, etc) really going for you that the 5+/10 guys don't have that they want to have a shot right?
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So issues of availability aside, all of us should ask this question: Even if you had unfettered access to meeting new single girls in the appropriate age range, how do you compare to the better guys she matches(ie they both like each other) with on bumble and hinge?
If the answer is 'not well at all', then the access issue is not a big deal anyways.
If the answer is 'pretty well', then you're ikely in the wrong forum lol......
If the answer is 'not well at all', then the access issue is not a big deal anyways.
If the answer is 'pretty well', then you're ikely in the wrong forum lol......
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Unless your an aspie(and a lot in here probably are lol), I always think the concerns about HR are overblown. As long as one acts respectful and isn't innapropriate, HR isn't a concern imo.......
the problem is guys like us trying to 'initiate' in situations like that will just end up causing a lot of repetitive low level embarassment and people at work making fun of you. For a while when I was still trying and had to do consults all over the hospital(so I would constantly have a reason to ask these single women things since they were part of the care team), I'd go up to 6/10 type nurses just a few years younger than me and try to 'strike something up'.
These women would generally look at me like I had kicked their dog. It's the look we've all seen- a combination of confusion and irritation. The confusion is because they know *exactly* what they want, and the idea an incel would just come up to them and try to initiate is far far out of what they believe should be their reality. Because things seem so crystal clear to them, they just assume that this should be clear to me as well.....
then after that look settles in, 15 or so seconds into my attempted "make something happen" conversation, they cut me off and make a curt statement about the patient. That's their way of saying "this conversation you want to have with me is not appropriate and there is no point........"
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not everyone I work with is married, but the single ones are the ugliest crack whore mountain inbreds you could imagine.
There is no such thing as fair or reasonable. Who even determines that. Women have strongarmed the state and society to remove all penalties of being whores and useless sacks of shit while simultaneously profitting off all social amplifiers in technology.
100 years ago at my income level, inoffensive looks and good physique I could get a 6/10 for sure.
I was rated 5/10 by a black woman close to 10 years ago. 3/10 by a blonde stacy. Make of that what you will, I don't even know if that rating has any merit anymore. And quite frankly I don't care what rating I am. There's really only two, 1 or 0. Either you get to fuck someone that doesn't gross you out or you don't.
Look, I'll play ball, I am obviously not good enough for the kind of women I chase. Or, let me qualify that. I am not good enough to overcome enviromental barriers and base reluctance of women I go for. So what? I literally don't care even if I was shooting 3 leagues above where I am "supposed" to be. I don't care about it being "fair" to the woman. If I could emotionally manipulate a 10/10 into LTR I would. Each gender's goals are at odds with each other when it comes to reproduction. Playing by some cosmic concept of "fair" is for faggots.
Yeah I get it. You're right on some level, but it won't change my modus operandi. Also, no offense, but you have no idea how fucking bad the demographic death spiral is. I walk into a store and everyone is 50. At least when you were young most people were your age. That's why you didn't even catch it in the first reply. Alot of your analysis is just tracing your projection around my posts.
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Well this is partly semantics, but by 'reasonable' I meant "is this really practical"? I didn't use the term 'fair', and you are right in that such a word is pretty meaningless.
but your rating determines that for the population at large. Any given women might assign you a binary rating(1 or 0), but if you're a 5 you might have an occasional non-gross out woman put you in the '1' category, whereas as 3 is likely going to have all 0's looking at it that way.
which are equivalent statements. (and I'm there too lol)
I don't think I mentioned 'fair' but you keep using it. As you said, who cares about fair. All that matters is practical/reality/what happens.
It's not my place to dictate what women 'should' value or be into. They like what they like, just like we like what we like.
Getting back to my original comment, by reasonable i meant it just wasn't every going to be very likely. Not that I think any does or doesn't deserve something.
Lol....what are you- late 20s, nearing 30? I remember being 30 like it was yesterday. Many of the people I'm around everyday are about that age. The last few 'dates'(and no they don't go anywhere lol so Im incel) have been with women 31 and 33. So I think I can comment on where these women are, the demographics that I see, etc....
furthermore, I am still out there in the world and can see that my main problem is not this demographic issue but the fact that I'm unnattractive. I didn't have a problem running into a 31 and 33 yo to interact with and get a date. It just didn't go anywhere because I'm not close enough to what they deem acceptable in terms of looks.
I think you may have misinterpreted my initial point somewhat- your main issue, imo, is you just need to statusmaxx/incomemax more. Let's split the difference between the 3 and 5 and call you a 4 in terms of looks. If you're a 4 in looks and effectively status/income max, I really think you can get a 5.5 that is also someone you sorta like and may be compatible with.
I never had that chance because I wasn't a solid 4. But clearly below that. You're focused on this 'demographic death spiral' as you call it, but regardless of all that I see 4's who status/income max get the kind of girl you've implied you want. If there is a demographic death spiral, how are those guys doing it?
You're still young; you just have to figure out some way to make up the ground. You've got to make up at least a point in looks, and then you've got to make up the gender smv difference on top of that. That's hard to do by income/statusmaxxing, but not impossible.
And you have frieennds/a social circle so you've already implied your NT. NT + 4 + income/statusmaxxing an already professsional job = not hopeless.
I didn't have/don't have the same hope because I really didn't have any opportunity to income/statusmax past where I got to. To do that I would have needed to think really big on a business scale, and thats just not me. but I'm guessing in your current field you probably have that opp to some degree?
I think it's obvious I got your message the first time. Let me just say, I am not going to adjust my expectations. Either I get lucky or I don't. That's it. Anything below what I want is just a roommate that is unfuckable but unlike my male friends also annoying as fuck.
I am playing a completely different game.
Anyway. I don't care to discuss this. Your advice is obvious and completely worthless. Just betabuxx in your 30s bro! Just get to top 5 percentile in earnings to fuck a top 50 percentile hag bro! Yeah right.
Can you? Aren't you in south east asia? That's a completely different demographic pyramid. Regardless, 33 and 31 are old hags. I want someone in mid 20s at most.
Everyone I know is taken. Every woman I meet that is around my age is unironically talking about marriage. There was this chick at a bar with busted face and huge tits and she talked about marriage preparations. That was a week ago. This week I heard another one of my coworkers talk about marriage. I don't know what sort of circles you're in and it doesn't really matter.
No, I got the message. And I am telling you the main problem is access to women. Perhaps once you peel back that layer it's going to be that I am just not good enough. I am under different sexual market forces than you are/were. Statusmaxxing isn't what it used to be. Even if you statusmaxxed you still need to meet her somehow.
Because the guy didn't have to compete in psychopathic arenas where your only bargaining power is your looks. Because the guy just happened to exist in social circles where a 5/10 with nice ass doesn't realize she can get apex chad to use all her holes. Because the guy is utilizing some sort of information gap on the woman. 4/10 with 5/10 isn't anything special either. Perhaps the foid is into blue eyes and he has blue eyes or something dumb like that.
I am playing a completely different game.
I can't fuck prime teen pussy. I am not young.
Anyway. I don't care to discuss this. Your advice is obvious and completely worthless. Just betabuxx in your 30s bro! Just get to top 5 percentile in earnings to fuck a top 50 percentile hag bro! Yeah right.
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Roasties living in a world of delusions. Typical.
You gotta put yourself out there more
Opportunities come to those who make them happen, bro!
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