Leftist theories are anti-human

[LesscoBlob]

Fact: A part of Stalin's rebuilding of Russia he believed in maintaining the traditional family model of men and women through marriage.

Fact: The modern so called capitalist United States has a much lower national fertility and marriage rate than the Soviet Union ever had. How is that even remotely possible?

The Soviet Union absolutely had a much lower fertility rate than replacement and a lower one than the US's at the time of the Cold War.

That's why there are way more Americans than Russians.

 

[Govid_Dorious]

Leftism is mainly marxism and feminism. Ever noticed how marxism pretends to defend poor people, but is way too complicated for poor people to even learn or understand ? It completely defies the purpose since the only leftists in existence are middle class white people.

Same goes for feminism. It's such a convoluted mess of nonsense that no one really knows what it means.

I just realized that BY NATURE leftist ideas are like that. Convoluted indecipherable alien languages that do NOT resonate with human beings. Feminism is just a meme theory used by hypergamous foids to manipulate men into giving them all their money lmao.

least intelligent Incels.is user

 

[based_meme]

someone that actually knows the difference between marxism and (((neoliberalism)))? thats rare

Who cares what the difference is in theory? That only matters in academia. What's important is what people do with the ideas, and none of it has been good.

 

[kek1]

You're right

 

[buried_alive]

I'll wait for somebody to come in this thread and actually explain to me how capitalism, libertarianism, or even fascism benefits incels, of course nobody can.

They don't specifically benefit incels, but neither does socialism and all of today's leftist ideologies. The left is feminist and hates incels the most today. The only way to benefit incels is through an authoritarian government that can curb undo all the sexual revolution, feminism, wokeism, hypergamy, etc. I don't see this coming from the left. In fact, if the west became socialist, we'd be the ones at the gulag. So living in capitalist and/or libertarian (which don't exist today) states is just better.

I don't understand how you can say that feminism is capitalistic when it's based marx applied to gender. The struggle of women, the oppression of women, men hold all the power, gender identity, etc.

 

[buried_alive]

Yes, much better than Marxists.

Every Communist society has had private property for the reasons why it had a currency. Communism is impossible to implement.

Which is more akin to socialism, as it's filled with monopolies, which is why there should be government interventions to prevent monopolies from forming, just like what Adam Smith said.

Based.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Based.

I like how communists use things that were created thanks to Capitalism fostering innovation (Computers, the Internet) to bash capitalism.

 

[buried_alive]

I like how communists use things that were created thanks to Capitalism fostering innovation (Computers, the Internet) to bash capitalism.

Everything it's been tried it has failed and it's the reason the west is failing. Increased government power and spending, taxes, state capitalism are all socialistic things.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Everything it's been tried it has failed and it's the reason the west is failing. Increased government power and spending, taxes, state capitalism are all socialistic things.

The reason why the West is failing and economic inequality is growing is exactly because we're not Capitalist states anymore. Not even the US is capitalist nowadays. What we have is corporatism. Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism had said multiple times that governments need to be just strong enough to prevent monopolies from forming. (they don't need to be very big in order to do that)

 

[buried_alive]

The reason why the West is failing and economic inequality is growing is exactly because we're not Capitalist states anymore. Not even the US is capitalist nowadays. What we have is corporatism. Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism had said multiple times that governments need to be just strong enough to prevent monopolies from forming. (they don't need to be very big in order to do that)

Yes, I agree. State capitalism, corporatism, cronyism are all the same things which is basically political, and not economical, forces controlling the market.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I like how communists use things that were created thanks to Capitalism fostering innovation (Computers, the Internet) to bash capitalism.

First satellite into space was Sputnik.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The reason why the West is failing and economic inequality is growing is exactly because we're not Capitalist states anymore. Not even the US is capitalist nowadays. What we have is corporatism. Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism had said multiple times that governments need to be just strong enough to prevent monopolies from forming. (they don't need to be very big in order to do that)

Corporatism is the natural result of capitalism.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Yes, I agree. State capitalism, corporatism, cronyism are all the same things which is basically political, and not economical, forces controlling the market.

Essentially this ^^^

 

[MarquisDeSade]

They don't specifically benefit incels, but neither does socialism and all of today's leftist ideologies. The left is feminist and hates incels the most today. The only way to benefit incels is through an authoritarian government that can curb undo all the sexual revolution, feminism, wokeism, hypergamy, etc. I don't see this coming from the left. In fact, if the west became socialist, we'd be the ones at the gulag. So living in capitalist and/or libertarian (which don't exist today) states is just better.

I don't understand how you can say that feminism is capitalistic when it's based marx applied to gender. The struggle of women, the oppression of women, men hold all the power, gender identity, etc.

I'm an old school leftist and socialist, I don't like the modern woke so called left either.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Corporatism is the natural result of capitalism.

Provided that the government doesn't intervene AT ALL, yes that's true. But that's why we have corporatism. I don't advocate for laissez faire capitalism, I never have and I never will.

 

[LesscoBlob]

First satellite into space was Sputnik.

That's because the Soviets had better Germans than the Americans (at the time).

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Yes, much better than Marxists.

Every Communist society has had private property for the reasons why it had a currency. Communism is impossible to implement.

Which is more akin to socialism, as it's filled with monopolies, which is why there should be government interventions to prevent monopolies from forming, just like what Adam Smith said.

It's ironic that the capitalism Adam Smith tried to originally implement is virtually non-existent today and has been basically destroyed by those who call themselves capitalists today.

At any rate, western capitalism died in 2008 with the GFC event and it has been entirely dead since.

No economic system is perfect, communism included, however I'll take the imperfections of communism over capitalism any day of the week if properly instituted.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

That's because the Soviets had better Germans than the Americans (at the time).

Nonetheless, not all technological innovations are particularly western or capitalistic.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Provided that the government doesn't intervene AT ALL, yes that's true. But that's why we have corporatism. I don't advocate for laissez faire capitalism, I never have and I never will.

You would call yourself a state capitalist then?

 

[Tarquinius]

Nonetheless, not all technological innovations are particularly western or capitalistic.

This, throwing money at people will not make them innovate faster.

The Soviet education system was much better than the current shitty model they have in Russia.

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Che Guevara is turning in his grave because of the today's leftists.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

This, throwing money at people will not make them innovate faster.

The Soviet education system was much better than the current shitty model they have in Russia.

Even the Chinese who are what I like to call half communist and half capitalist have better education system or technological innovation than the modern United States, granted that our politicians have virtually sold us out to China. I personally like the Vietnamese/ North Korean communist model over the Chinese one.

 

[LesscoBlob]

It's ironic that the capitalism Adam Smith tried to originally implement is virtually non-existent today and has been basically destroyed by those who call themselves capitalists today.

I agree. I support capitalism in Adam Smith's terms. He's the creator of capitalism. I am 100% against the modern corporatism that plagues basically the whole world.

At any rate, western capitalism died in 2008 with the GFC event and it has been entirely dead since.

I would say that the finals nails in the coffin were triggered by the early 2000s recession.

No economic system is perfect, communism included, however I'll take the imperfections of communism over capitalism any day of the week if properly instituted.

I agree that there is no perfect economic system.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The reason why the West is failing and economic inequality is growing is exactly because we're not Capitalist states anymore. Not even the US is capitalist nowadays. What we have is corporatism. Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism had said multiple times that governments need to be just strong enough to prevent monopolies from forming. (they don't need to be very big in order to do that)

Essentially the modern United States is a political oligarchy that has become a fascist corporate welfare and police state, I think we can agree on that.

 

[LesscoBlob]

You would call yourself a state capitalist then?

I haven't read up a ton on state capitalism, but from the information that I have so far, it seems to describe my stance well.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I agree. I support capitalism in Adam Smith's terms. He's the creator of capitalism. I am 100% against the modern corporatism that plagues basically the whole world.

I would say that the finals nails in the coffin were triggered by the early 2000s recession.

I agree that there is no perfect economic system.

Yeah, we could go early and say the 2000 DotCom bubble was the end of western capitalism and then of course there was things like Enron as well.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Nonetheless, not all technological innovations are particularly western or capitalistic.

Yes, obviously not all technological (or really industrial/agricultural etc.) are exclusive to one culture or economic system.
Many innovations that helped the world happened in the Soviet Union and even Maoist China.
Just like other forms of innovations happened in other civilisations.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Yeah, we could go early and say the 2000 DotCom bubble was the end of western capitalism and then of course there was things like Enron as well.

If the 2000 DotCom bubble hadn't happened, I don't think the 2008 global financial meltdown would have happened. Frankly, it's terrifying how we haven't recovered from it yet.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I haven't read up a ton on state capitalism, but from the information that I have so far, it seems to describe my stance well.

The problem with state capitalism is that I think the United States tried that up until the early 2000s and when crisis came to be they opted out to save themselves with financial bailouts, in other words, state capitalists failed to live up to their own principles or ideologies.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Yes, obviously not all technological (or really industrial/agricultural etc.) are exclusive to one culture or economic system.
Many innovations that helped the world happened in the Soviet Union and even Maoist China.
Just like other forms of innovations happened in other civilisations.

Agreed.

 

[LesscoBlob]

The problem with state capitalism is that I think the United States tried that up until the early 2000s and when crisis came to be they opted out to save themselves with financial bailouts, in other words, state capitalists failed to live up to their own principles or ideologies.

I honestly don't know much about it. I'll look up for more information on it.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

If the 2000 DotCom bubble hadn't happened, I don't think the 2008 global financial meltdown would have happened. Frankly, it's terrifying how we haven't recovered from it yet.

There never was going to be an economic recovery just as there is no recovery now, they're going to pull the plug on this nation soon enough because what they really want is a global government implemented controlled by banks and corporations. While I am communist I am heavily a nationalist where I too am opposed to globalism and global government as well.

 

[LesscoBlob]

There never was going to be an economic recovery just as there is no recovery now, they're going to pull the plug on this nation soon enough because what they really want is a global government implemented controlled by banks and corporations. While I am communist I am heavily a nationalist where I too am opposed to globalism and global government as well.

I also am opposed to globalism.
The problem with being ruled by corporations is
1. Most of them are foreign, so they don't have your interests in mind (the people's interests in general).
2. They're not government and have no idea how to actually lead a country.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

• Angela Davis, Karol Cariola, Raya Dunayevskaya, Silvia Federici, Shulamith Firestone, Clara Fraser, Anuradha Ghandy, Claudia Jones.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism

I will have to take a look at this later, but I will say most modern day feminists are radical neoliberals, I'm an old school Marxist or communist where I believe traditional families between men and women through marriage is the bedrock foundation of human civilization, without that foundation civilization simply won't exist. Economically I am left and socialist but there's a lot I agree with concerning conservative social cultural values, the disagreement between me and libertarians or even modern day republicans is purely economic. I'm about as pro working class as they come where I believe in worker unions, rights, and the ability for workers to negotiate better wages.

 

[LesscoBlob]

I will have to take a look at this later, but I will say most modern day feminists are radical neoliberals, I'm an old school Marxist or communist where I believe traditional families between men and women through marriage is the bedrock foundation of human civilization, without that foundation civilization simply won't exist. Economically I am left and socialist but there's a lot I agree with concerning conservative social cultural values, the disagreement between me and libertarians or even modern day republicans is purely economic. I'm about as pro working class as they come where I believe in worker unions, rights, and the ability for workers to negotiate better wages.

Right. I also don't have issues with, say, workers' unions, and I support ways to defend their rights.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I also am opposed to globalism.
The problem with being ruled by corporations is
1. Most of them are foreign, so they don't have your interests in mind (the people's interests in general).
2. They're not government and have no idea how to actually lead a country.

Well, the biggest problem is that these corporations are international and every time the discussion comes in to regulate them out comes conservatives saying that's not capitalism proclaiming whoever supports such notions is communist. Of course if you don't reign in or regulate these corporate cartels it will just further erode national sovereignty even more and cause people to become even more poor. It doesn't help that all of our politicians are essentially bought off by these same corporations as well.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Well, the biggest problem is that these corporations are international and every time the discussion comes in to regulate them out comes conservatives saying that's not capitalism proclaiming whoever supports such notions is communist. Of course if you don't reign in or regulate these corporate cartels it will just further erode national sovereignty even more and cause people to become even more poor.

True. Any cuckservative that supports that is literally going against conservative values.
The problem with American conservatives especially is that they hate poor people.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

True. Any cuckservative that supports that is literally going against conservative values.
The problem with American conservatives especially is that they hate poor people.

Yes, exactly, which is why I myself have gone hard left in terms of economics. As far as I'm concerned, republican conservatives and libertarians are basically anti poor. Democrats aren't any better with their woke circus brigades and pretending to be pro working class when in fact they aren't either. I am at the point right now that if the government doesn't represent the people at all then perhaps a new government needs to be made entirely, for me at least, my solution is a very aggressive socially conservative national communism. It is a male proletarian revolution against a world that has largely abandoned us altogether.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Yes, exactly, which is why I myself have gone hard left in terms of economics. As far as I'm concerned, republican conservatives and libertarians are basically anti poor. Democrats aren't any better with their woke circus brigades and pretending to pro working class when in fact they aren't either. I am at the point right now that if the government doesn't represent the people at all then perhaps a new government needs to be made entirely, for me at least, my solution is a very aggressive socially conservative national communism. It is a male proletarian revolution against a world that has largely abandoned us altogether.

I understand how you came to this position to be fair.

 

[Zhou Chang-Xing]

Leftism is mainly marxism and feminism. Ever noticed how marxism pretends to defend poor people, but is way too complicated for poor people to even learn or understand ? It completely defies the purpose since the only leftists in existence are middle class white people.

Same goes for feminism. It's such a convoluted mess of nonsense that no one really knows what it means.

I just realized that BY NATURE leftist ideas are like that. Convoluted indecipherable alien languages that do NOT resonate with human beings. Feminism is just a meme theory used by hypergamous foids to manipulate men into giving them all their money lmao.

Saying that "Leftism is mainly Marxism and Feminism" like saying that "Rightism is mainly National Socialism and Islamism". Stop using the crazies to represent us all.

 

[Zhou Chang-Xing]

Yes, exactly, which is why I myself have gone hard left in terms of economics. As far as I'm concerned, republican conservatives and libertarians are basically anti poor. Democrats aren't any better with their woke circus brigades and pretending to pro working class when in fact they aren't either. I am at the point right now that if the government doesn't represent the people at all then perhaps a new government needs to be made entirely, for me at least, my solution is a very aggressive socially conservative national communism. It is a male proletarian revolution against a world that has largely abandoned us altogether.

That is literally Fascism. Mussolini was an Atheist raised by a far-left Socialist dad and hyper-Catholic Conservative mom. He later combined both to create a Socialist economy with a hyper Conservative social state.

A common modern myth is that the Fascists were somehow "Reactionary" and not revolutionary while Mussolini was essentially like Stalin. In fact, almost all Socialist States in the East Bloc banned abortions and rejected Feminist world views which they saw as "reactionary" and "outside of the scope of the revolution".

People often forget just how socially Conservative Eastern Europe was under Socialism.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

I understand how you came to this position to be fair.

It's inevitable at this point, here in the United States young men have been impoverished to the point where we have no wives, marriages, children, or individual personal livelihoods of our own, for me a male socialist and even communist insurrection will solve our overall problems. None of the prevailing political parties or institutions will do anything for us, witnessing all of that the last twenty one years basically proves that point.

Also, under my national communism I have no problems with white European identity, whites deserve to have their own ethnic identity just like everybody else, still, I would say my nationalism is multiracial because in order to overthrow the powerful forces against us will require all races or ethnicities of men working together for economic class struggle, I think once we abolish western feminism racial or ethnic tensions will lessen tremendously because everyone will have their own cultural racial enclaves where family is once again prominent within communities for all men. I am no fan of the tiny hats either and now we're seeing even black African men like Kanye West call them out publicly. What these Jewish plutocrats fear the most is all races and ethnicities of men unified calling them out publicly in collective political solidarity.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

That is literally Fascism. Mussolini was an Atheist raised by a far-left Socialist dad and hyper-Catholic Conservative mom. He later combined both to create a Socialist economy with a hyper Conservative social state.

A common modern myth is that the Fascists were somehow "Reactionary" and not revolutionary while Mussolini was essentially like Stalin. In fact, almost all Socialist States in the East Bloc banned abortions and rejected Feminist world views which they saw as "reactionary" and "outside of the scope of the revolution".

People often forget just how socially Conservative Eastern Europe was under Socialism.

Exactly, you can be socialist and communist still be socially or traditionally conservative. This woke agenda we're seeing in the world today is purely neoliberal in its form, it did not in fact originate with socialism and communism at all. Socialism and communism isn't the enemy, neoliberalism is.

 

[MarquisDeSade]

The Soviet Union absolutely had a much lower fertility rate than replacement and a lower one than the US's at the time of the Cold War.
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That's why there are way more Americans than Russians.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842562/

U.S. Marriage Rate Plunges to Lowest Level on Record

The share of Americans getting married has fallen to its lowest level on record, according to government figures that reflect how economic insecurity and changing norms are eroding the institution.

www.wsj.com

 

[LesscoBlob]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842562/

U.S. Marriage Rate Plunges to Lowest Level on Record

The share of Americans getting married has fallen to its lowest level on record, according to government figures that reflect how economic insecurity and changing norms are eroding the institution.

www.wsj.com

Well, that's certainly not the case now, but back then, it was more conservative and its population didn't increase mainly due to immigration.