Jesse Owens BBC's Hitler

[Capable_Onion]

So Michael Phelps is the champion of all champions because he has the most golds of all time?

Cool. White power!!!

Dumb way of thinking. Athletes train their specific sport, a wrestler is a specific champion in his weight division. Just because there are more sprinting events or more swimming events doesn't make that dude "champion of the Olympics," you literally just made that up because you read "champion" and thought he was the winner of the Olympics overall.

If all your going to do is present your own headcannon by twisting and disassembling the narrative then there's no point debating against you.

Try coming back with some actual facts and then maybe I'll consider recognizing you.

 

[Capable_Onion]

You can't even admit that your dumb ass thought Jesse Owens was the "winner of the whole event" as in the winner of the whole Olympics because when you saw "champion" you thought that meant for the whole Olympics and not just his specific events. Now it's head cannon that I don't believe there's one singular winner of all the Olympics instead of winners in each event, I.E. the gold medalists.

I never said that he was better than everyone else, I said that he had the most medals within his category, which makes him the winner overall since he excelled the most out of all of the participants.

How is the winner of the Olympics determined?

The common method of determining the success of countries at the Olympic Games is a ranking order based first on the number of gold medals won, then silver and bronze. ... Another commonly used method (the predominent method used in the USA) is to rank countries based on the total medals won.

Now shutup and be quiet already

 

[Romello Gaghan 2]

Female privilege: getting titmogged or assmogged is nothing compared to graphic dickmogging

 

[Deleted member 17719]

It is unfair because black mens bodies are designed for faster running, I assume it is because of all the wild animals in Africa they had to run away from but I have never researched the topic.

 

[Capable_Onion]

You called him the "winner of the whole event" and THE champion instead of a champion. You called it official. You're fucking funny, man.

It's not even an "official" thing you utter mongoloid. Different countries weight the value of their medals differently, eg most countries think the only thing that matters is gold count, USA likes to count "total" medals the same, some countries count gold for more but also tally in silvers and bronzes. It's not an official thing, it's for bragging rights. You thought Jesse Owens was officially the "champion of the Olympics," the "winner of the whole event." It's just comical at this point.

He got the most gold medals within the event therefore he was the overall winner.

It's literally the first thing that pops up on google

Hell, he's even under the year in which it takes place when you search it up on wikipedia.

 

[Capable_Onion]

It doesn't say Jesse Owens "won," as in he was the "winner of the whole event."

It says he won GOLD in those 4 specific events.

He won the most gold medals, meaning he won the event as the most accomplished athlete there.

Being the "winner of the whole event" or "champion of the Olympics" isn't an "official" thing. And earlier you brought up a thing that was clearly talking about countries, for bragging rights, again not an official title.

If you win the most medals you're basically the winner of the event, that's why he gets to be on a pedestal above the other top 2 contenders.

The second thing you posted shows all the winners of the 1936 Olympics, in your cap there are already two others besides Owens. There were many winners in many events.

You are a stupid and stubborn donkey.

Those "winners" only won 1 gold medal each, which didn't even compare to the amount Owens had

 

[Deleted member 22999]

I beat Jesses speed times in junior high. Fark that nikka and fark the Germans.

Thats pretty cool tbh

 

[Capable_Onion]

He wasn't the "winner of the event," there's no such thing.

Saying he was the most accomplished is a different story. You said he was officially the champion of the Olympics and it was my opinion and "head canon" that he wasn't.

If you win the most medals during the event by all means you are the winner, since you exceeded everyone else in terms of achievement.

By saying this I'm not saying that the US won the games, but I am saying that they had the leading player.

Lol, wtf. That's for EVERY EVENT. There's a gold medal winner, a silver medal winner, and a bronze medal winner, and a podium for EVERY EVENT.

Holy shit. I'm just laughing now. You're arguing from a position that you cannot possibly win. Just admit you are a dummy and thought there really was a champion of the Olympics in totality instead of just gold medal winners/champions per event.

Yes I know very well that there was more than one category, but none of them gained as many medals as owens.

So? If there were 10 competitions for horse dancing (dressage) would the winner of 9 of them be the "winner of the whole event"?

No, because assumably they wouldn't be apart of the same collective event.

They were champions in their respective events and sports. There is no official title for being the "winner of the whole event."

The olympics is a collective event where people compete for the most medals, it doesn't matter which sport your apart of, if you get the most gold then you get to shine above everyone else.

BTW Germany had the most gold, silver, and bronze medals that year making them the champions according to the other thing you linked when you couldn't comprehend what it was actually talking about.

I never said that germany didn't have the most gold, I said that individually none of their participants had as many as owens, which is why he got so much recognition.

 

[Capable_Onion]

Dressage is an event in the Olympics. What the fuck are you even talking about?

But that wasn't your point, in your original post you were talking about a hypothetical scenario if there were multiple dressage events going on at once, you didn't even mention them having anything to do with the olympics.

Jesse Owens won 4 separate, unconnected, events. Jesse Owens won the 100 meter sprint, the 200 meter sprint, the long jump, and was part of the 4 man team that won the 4x100 meter relay. None of these events are necessarily connected or have any bearing on each other. There's isn't a tally to determine the "champion of the Olympics." Each athlete is only trying to be champion in theor own respective sport and event/s.

Not true at all, while each event has it's own seperate competition, they all compete for the most gold medals in the end, and the ones with the most gold are put on a pedestal where they rank them from greatest to least.

For the last time here is no "winner of the whole event." Repeat after me, there is no winner of the whole event, and it for damn sure isn't official you numbskull.

If you get the most gold you're the winner since you exceeded everyone else in terms of points, how hard is that to understand?.

It doesn't matter which sport you're in, if you get gold then you're a gold medalist.

No. That's not how it works you half-wit. Each event is its own competition. If a competitor wins any event they are a champion in that event. There is no singular "champion of the Olympics" or "winner of the whole event," there isn't a "whole event,"

The Olympics is an event within itself, the competitions within them are the things which determine who obtains the most gold medals.

Saying he was the most accomplished is one thing, it's not an official thing and it's arguable because there was a German gymnast that won 3 golds, 2 silvers and a bronze that year.

If he didn't obtain four gold medals then it doesn't really count as "arguable"

 

[Capable_Onion]

Dressage is an Olympic sport. The point was if there were 10 horse dancing (dressage) competitions, would the winner of that be the "winner of the whole event"

Well yeah, he would, sure, he wouldn't be considered as the winner of the other events in which he didn't participate, but he would still be considered as the olympic champion of that year.

Why is winning 3 sprinting events better than winning a single wrestling event?

Because (as I've been saying) the sprinter would have gotten more gold medals

I was gauging whether you thought some medals were better than others, or you think just raw numbers matter. Either way, this doesn't determine an overall Olympic winner, that's your head canon. You didn't even understand the result of your google query, once again your reading comprehension skills are worse than dog shit. And if Owens's 4 golds in 3 sprinting events + a jumping event makes him more accomplished, why isn't the decathlon winner that is the overall winner in 10 events even more accomplished?

Did he win four gold medals during the event?, if not then I'm sure you can figure out why.

No. No, RETARD. They compete to win their own event. They are competing to win their own sport. The Olympics isn't inherently a competition to see who can accrue the most gold medals. It's many sporting events that happen to be on the same stage. Once again, there is no "winner of the whole event," and you are actually retarded and don't even know what the fuck you are talking about, which should be obvious to everyone with an above room temperature IQ.

Sure, they may compete against their own peers but the goal is the same in the end, win the most gold medals, and you win the event as the most accomplished athlete.

Once again, you are painfully stupid. A wrestler isn't concerned with getting multiple medals, a nordic skiier isn't concerned with how many gold medals track & field or swimmers get. They are trying to win their own events and sports.

If they aren't interested in getting medals then what are they interested in?

He had 3 golds, 2 silvers and a bronze for 6 medals in total and nearly as many gold, yes that is arguable.

Gold is superior to silver and bronze, and Owens has one more than him how is that "arguable"

 

[Emba]

FUCK CUMSKINS

Your face.
Your clownface.
It is white.
Like cum...

 

[Admiral_Arkantos]

 

[Capable_Onion]

"The common method of determining the success of [WINNER OF THE WHOLE EVENT] at the Olympic Games is a ranking order based first on the number of gold medals won, then silver and bronze. ... Another commonly used method (the predominent method used in the USA) is to rank countries based on the total medals won."

Gymnast man wins either way and was the winner of the whole event. Most total medals, USA considers him the winner of the whole event.

If gold is 3 points, silver 2 points, and bronze 1 point then the gymnast has 14 points total which is more than the 12 points Jesse Owens has.

If gold is 5 points, silver 3 points, and bronze 1 point, then the gymnast has 22 points, and Jesse Owens has 20 points. Still making the gymnast the winner of the whole event.

If gold is 10 points, silver 5, and bronze 1, a ranking which nobody uses, he still has 41 to 40. (43 to 40 is bronze counts for 3)

By any criteria, the gymnast is the winner of the whole event.

The method in which your referring to was not used in the 1936 olympics, during that time they only counted gold, with silver and bronze being within their own category.

That's why Jesse Owens is widely seen as the winner, and as the most competent athlete during the event.

Even if you were to count this in it would only go toward a win for the country, and not an overall win towards the individual, since two silver medals don't make a gold.

@Capable_Onion Self-owned, and checkmated biatch. Hitler brushed off Jesse Owens because he was a loser, only the German gymnast that was the true winner of the whole event and an Aryan hero deserved his congratulations.

You're cherrypicking things out of context, anyone can easily find that he was the winner by looking it up on google, or searching up the olympics itself.

In all truth he was the star of the event.

 

[Capable_Onion]

Any way you slice it Konrad Frey was the winner of the whole event. In the USA we count total medals and don't make a distinction between gold silver or bronze, the rest of the countries rank gold more but silver and bronze still count in the points to determine the winner of the whole event.

What are you talking about, these silver and bronze medals only add up to the points for the country, the individual himself doesn't become a gold medalist by having two silvers because they aren't the same thing.

This was started in the first modern Olympics in 1896 to determine the winner of the whole event. In 1896 gold counted for 5 points, but silver actually counted for 4 points in determining the winner of the whole event. By 1936 silver counted for just 3 points.

As I've said before, these points don't go towards anything except a win for the country, it's never stated that having multiple silvers would put you ahead of the gold medal winners.

By 1896 and 1936 standards Konrad Frey was the winner of the event, and even by 2016 standards which had a similar scoring system to 1936 Konrad Frey would be the winner of the whole event. This is why Hitler didn't want to shake Jesse Owens hand, because he was a scrub and Hitler knew it would be an insult to the true winner of the whole event to shake that loser's hand.

If you can find an article saying that he was the star and that he actually won then maybe I'll believe you.

But for now I'm going to go with the guy who's actually shown within the media as the actual victor.

 

[Capable_Onion]

The media is just propaganda and fluff pieces meant to brainwash the masses. I'll go with the historians and the fact that the IOC itself officially declared the German gymnast as the winner of the whole event.

Can you send a link to the article.

This is the closest image I can find and it says nothing about Konrad Frey

 

[Capable_Onion]

You edited it out. That's a low move, bro.

Seriously?, is this what you're resorting to?, just admit that you photoshopped the image that you posted.

 

[Capable_Onion]

I took that screencap straight from wikipedia, that information ahd been on there for years. Now you have edited it out. That's low, that's dirty, that's obscene!

What about this?, is this photoshopped too?.

 

[Capable_Onion]

No, that's a real image showing that Konrad Frey had the most medals and was the winner of the whole event according to both the American standard and the International standard, and was declared the official winner of the whole event officially by the IOC (International Olympic Committee). I have documents to prove this.

Konrad Frey is listed below Owens in that image, with giulio listed as third, because gold matters more than either silver or bronze and puts you ahead of other competitors.

And no, I don't want to see your documents because they aren't fucking real, as I've been saying for a while now.

 

[Capable_Onion]

That image doesn't represent either the American standard or the International standard of Winner of the Whole Event Ranking. So try again, idiot!

I have documents to prove everything.

That image I just posted comes from the official Olympic Games website: https://www.olympic.org/berlin-1936

Your by far the worst person I've ever debated, I've never seen someone go so far as to fabricate false evidence in order to trick me.

 

[Capable_Onion]

I have integrity, I would never fabricate evidence. However I suspect that you have edited the wikipedia article to try to prove your point, which is a lowdown dirty trick that I don't appreciate.

Here is the listing from official IOC sources ranking the winner of the whole event by Internation standard:
"Konrad Frey GER 14 points
Jesse Owens USA 12 points"

This is just one of many documents I can bring to the fore to prove that it was in fact Konrad Frey that was the official winner of the whole event as declared by the International Olympic Committee.

Just shutup already man, I just proved you blatantly wrong and your still making shit up.

 

[Capable_Onion]

I shouldn't even have to provide the many documents that I have proving that Konrad Frey was the winner of the whole event. Anyone that isn't a dummy and has watched the Olympics before already knows about the International and American standards in ranking winner of the whole event. You are just being willfully ignorant at this point and it's in poor taste.

I could really care less of what you think, because your liability went out of the window the minute you decided to cheat.

This is your post

This is my post

This is the link to the wikipedia article in which it was captured in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics

This is the ranking by the Olympic Games website: https://www.olympic.org/berlin-1936

Anyone who follows these links can obviously tell that somethings wrong with what you're saying here, because the things you're saying don't match up with the information given.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

Couldn’t bring myself to watch

 

[Capable_Onion]

Caption: "International Olympic Committee honors Konrad Frey of Germany with an oak plant symbolizing strength as he is crowned the Winner of the Whole Event, followed by Alfred Schwarzmann in second, also of Germany, and American Jesse Owens in third."

This is literally the same exact image but with owens in first place

 

[Blackpill Rage]

god i hate this cucked mindset so much. 20 years from now everybody is going to be bbc worshipping idiots. it really is over.

Cope. Not if the chinks have their way.