Blackpill It's time to stop the cope, the TRUE percentage of incel men past age 22 is probably under 10% (STATS INCLUDED)

[FuRed]

Male Sexlessness is Rising But Not for the Reasons Incels Claim

A recent terrorist attack in Toronto, which left 10 people dead, has brought global attention to the “incel” movement, which stands for “involuntarily celibate.” The term refers to a growing number of people, particularly young men, who feel shut out of any possibility for romance, and have...

ifstudies.org

Stats are well researched, going to 2015, so admittedly it may be slightly higher today.

None of this "Bu-bu-but 80% men are incels today!" COPE, this cope has got to stop, just embarrassing.

Projection Assumption Cope, some call it Just World Cope, or misery loves company cope.
It's majorly subhuman bluepill cope, and it's gotta stop.

Remember blackpill truth > EVERYTHING

 

[Deleted member 36342]

Always said that inkels are a very small percentage of the world male population and that normtards have no significant problems getting in relationships yet schizo autists here will claim that 99% of males are inkels

 

[trying to ascend]

Just 5%? Are they counting prostitutes? If so, them the real numbers would probably be between 15-20%

 

[Quarantined]

I still believe its at least a third among young men 18-30

 

[kikecel]

remember seeing a suifuel statistic that said the average Israeli male loses his virginity at the age of 17

 

[Deleted member 3129]

Always said that inkels are a very small percentage of the world male population and that normtards have no significant problems getting in relationships yet schizo autists here will claim that 99% of males are inkels

 

[Ika-Sama]

I still believe its at least a third among young men 18-30

 

[Treebarkquartz]

I guess the deeper blackpill in this is that it is our "personality" perhaps. The combination of negative life experiences, awareness about grim reality, and ugliness + age + objevtive clownworld conditions = us

 

[Lebensmüder]

remember seeing a suifuel statistic that said the average Israeli male loses his virginity at the age of 17

Would be interesting whether it is a median or an average.
Because some people are really early-starters.
Unironically: One of the few non-chads I knew that became extremely successful with women was already consuming hardcore porn in 5th grade (where I first met him; with his level of knowledge the start was probably far earlier) and was already completely interested in girls.
Not a joke, as we were preparing for a presentation in school he took me with him and showed me some of that (mostly BDSM/dick choking, he knew everything about who had the largest dick/shit like that) and he was constantly talking about how older girls are already developing boobs (he even groped some of them allegedly).
Early puberty along with ASPD is one of the few things that could turn an otherwise incel-tier guy (he was chubby, wore glasses, wasn't the tallest) into a slayer.

 

[Deleted member 36342]

Early puberty along with ASPD is one of the few things that could turn an otherwise incel-tier guy (he was chubby, wore glasses, wasn't the tallest) into a slayer.

I know it's true but it's crazy indeed. I mog him and no female has ever shown any interest in me (i'm 22yo)

Incels are a huge minority. It’s the basement dwelling retards who sit on their computers all day and night talking about how it’s over for 40% of men while they haven’t seen the sun in months. Just because you’re blackpilled doesn’t mean you’re not retarded, these are the guys who unironically believe in sub8 theory as well. They’re just jealous of the men who can get relationships so they say that if you’re not some 6’3 nordic god, you might as well rope. Sure normies are not fucking slaying but they’re doing far better than us in terms of having friends and relationships.

Exactly. Over for retardcels indeed

 

[BlkPillPres]

None of this "Bu-bu-but 80% men are incels today!" COPE, this cope has got to stop, just embarrassing.

Who the hell is even saying this shit though?

Most men obviously aren't incels, but hypergamy is definitely affecting most men, as most men today are licking up scraps.

A majority of men are definitely struggling in todays dating market, they are "getting something", but "getting something" isn't the definition of "success".

Even the average men today that have "sex lives" don't have satisfactory "sex lives", they are settling way lower than they would have to in the past and these women aren't even virgins.

Lets not even get into the realm of marriage and the quality of marriages most men have today (of which 50% end in divorce and 70% of those divorces are initiated by women)

The black pill isn't just about who can't get sex, its also about how female hypergamy has affected the male collective as a whole.

In the past there were always incels, just much less, and the average men in the past were at least getting a slice of the pie, now average men are getting crumbs.


LASTLY

If you ask a guy who has sex once a month if he's "sexually active" or if he was "sexually active in the last year", he will cope and answer with a resounding YES, because "technically" it is true.

The average man today will speak of whatever scraps he's getting as if its a full course meal, because:
1. Its embarrassing to say otherwise and society shames you for it

2. You have to fake it till you make it

A good example of that is if you ever plan on losing your virginity to a woman that isn't a prostitute, you'll have to keep lying about not being a virgin till you finally lose it.

 

[koala53]

remember seeing a suifuel statistic that said the average Israeli male loses his virginity at the age of 17

 

[FuRed]

Who the hell is even saying this shit though?

i would say it's closer to 5% who truly "do well" with women

the next 15% do decently with women, but it's still a lot of effort, and if their girlfriend cucks them, it'll take forever to find another one

and the next 80% do terribly with women

 

[BPJ]

I guess the deeper blackpill in this is that it is our "personality" perhaps. The combination of negative life experiences, awareness about grim reality, and ugliness + age + objevtive clownworld conditions = us

its everything combined. just being a failure both genetically and socially. it always works both ways..


that being said:

I still believe its at least a third among young men 18-30

 

[BlkPillPres]

@FuRed

i would say it's closer to 5% who truly "do well" with women

the next 15% do decently with women, but it's still a lot of effort, and if their girlfriend cucks them, it'll take forever to find another one

and the next 80% do terribly with women

He didn't say 80% of men are incel, he said 80% of men do terribly with women, and I'd agree

The majority of men today are getting scraps and settling down with women they wouldn't even look twice at 80 years ago

The average man getting married today has like 70% less sex partners than the woman he's marrying

If he has 7 she has around 24+

No matter what facet of "romantic life" you look at, be it Dating, Marriage, Fucking Around, etc, the average man is doing terribly, and only the top 20% of men are truly enjoying themselves

There's a big difference between "being truly satisfied because you have what you want" AND "being glad you even have anything at all"

 

[Caesercel]

Ban all users who joined after June 2021

 

[yez]

remember seeing a suifuel statistic that said the average Israeli male loses his virginity at the age of 17

Brootalll

 

[Luxury]

Yeah we are simply the losers of life. Normies slay while we rot on this shit forum

 

[Deleted member 36776]

remember seeing a suifuel statistic that said the average Israeli male loses his virginity at the age of 17

They tolerate prostitution in that country though in a way they don't in the U.S I believe.

 

[BarrelStuffer]

@FuRed

He didn't say 80% of men are incel, he said 80% of men do terribly with women, and I'd agree

The majority of men today are getting scraps and settling down with women they wouldn't even look twice at 80 years ago

The average man getting married today has like 70% less sex partners than the woman he's marrying

If he has 7 she has around 24+

No matter what facet of "romantic life" you look at, be it Dating, Marriage, Fucking Around, etc, the average man is doing terribly, and only the top 20% of men are truly enjoying themselves

There's a big difference between "having what you want" and "being glad you even have anything"

True. All men are competing for the small subset of young, in-shape females but few get to be with them. Most women in today’s demographics are overweight and over 30, many with young children, and these are the women your average man eventually is forced to settle for .

 

[FuRed]

Ban all users who joined after June 2021

View: https://youtu.be/YKF3oCvJ3OQ

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Depends on how you define "incel". Yeah actual trucels are a tiny minority, but if we applied that standard then we'd have to ban 90% of our userbase

 

[BlkPillPres]

True. All men are competing for the small subset of young, in-shape females but few get to be with them. Most women in today’s demographics are overweight and over 30, many with young children, and these are the women your average man eventually is forced to settle for .

I agree except for the "forced to settle for" part, if these men want to be delusional emotional idiots that's their choice, nobody is forcing them.

I think what truly defines a man is a ability to adapt, and as men we need to recognize if we exist in an era in which certain choices are logical or not.

We were not born into an era in which dating, marriage or even having children is a logical choice.

But the average man was sold a bill of goods, and raised on this disney dream of a wife and children (myself included).

The difference is, unlike the average man, I acknowledged that it was just that, a dream, and I was simply born in the wrong era to be attached to such a dream, so I changed by goals.

I will not feel sorry for any man that refuses to do the same for reasons of ego, morality, etc.

Any man who wants to blindly chase after the dream we were all raised to have, just because he can't let go, is a fool by choice, willfully ignorant, and there is no person or circumstance that is "forcing" them to do this, its 100% their choice.

 

[kikecel]

They tolerate prostitution in that country though in a way they don't in the U.S I believe.

Prostitution in Israel is illegal

 

[BarrelStuffer]

I agree except for the "forced to settle for" part, if these men want to be delusional emotional idiots that's their choice, nobody is forcing them.

I think what truly defines a man is a ability to adapt, and as men we need to recognize if we exist in an era in which certain choices are logical or not.

We were not born into an era in which dating, marriage or even having children is a logical choice.

But the average man was sold a bill of goods, and raised on this disney dream of a wife and children (myself included).

The difference is, unlike the average man, I acknowledged that it was just that, a dream, and I was simply born in the wrong era to be attached to such a dream, so I changed by goals.

I will not feel sorry for any man that refuses to do the same for reasons of ego, morality, etc.

Any man who wants to blindly chase after the dream we were all raised to have, just because he can't let go, is a fool by choice, willfully ignorant, and there is no person or circumstance that is "forcing" them to do this, its 100% their choice.

Idk, I know some average guys in happy relationships. It might crash and burn eventually but at least they’re lucky enough to have one in their prime. I think I’m just gonna fuck escorts if I can’t get a young, fit female within the next few years. Even if in my 30’s some girl suddenly wants me I’ll just pump and dump her. I was willing to get into a long term relationship in my youth but instead I was subjected to celibacy and sitting in my room alone and frustrated.

 

[Deleted member 29230]

men are liars i can bet every penny I have that all the men you pass in the street are more likely incels

 

[FuRed]

men are liars i can bet every penny I have that all the men you pass in the street are more likely incels

 

[Deleted member 29230]

how is this a cope? do you see many chad looking guys around i think you forget how much chad only these whores are

 

[Deleted member 38579]

i don't have a personal grudge with your or anything, but days before i told you you make bluepilled posts and i'd say this is the proof of it.

10% of inceldom worldwide is pretty big number. also as blkpres said, you don't have to be an incel to struggle with dating, most men do nowadays, even if they get to have sex at least once. they end in dead bedroom relationship, get sex less frequently than before, or even despite losing their virginity they may deal with decades of not being able to get sex after that.

 

[Murdoch89]

The number of incels worldwide is around 100000, you have to stupid to believe that there hundreds of millions of incels, if there was then we wouldn't have a world population of almost 8 billion people

 

[solblue]

whose stated reason for virginity is something besides religion, health, or timing

Ignoring copers, neither guys who visit escorts nor people who had sex once but can’t even get a girl to look at them now are included in that stat

Despite the name, the common meaning we associate to inceldom is “people (really guys) who want a romantic relationship but can’t find one”. We would need to ditch the name to get rid of straw man arguments, but that’s easier said than done. Ideally, we should just label ourselves as blackpilled, akin to redpillers, rather than incels.

Anyways, if we go by the definition for inceldom those fleeing from r/incels and places like this site use, then the scope of inceldom is larger.

1. A profile of single Americans

Many single adults in the U.S. are content being on their own. Of the half who are not looking for a relationship or dates at the moment, having more

www.pewresearch.org

Of course not everyone who’s not in a relationship is like that because they can’t find one, but it’s very telling that there’s such a drastic gap between single females and single men.

The demographics of Internet forums and social media apps do make it seem like inceldom is more common than it is, but I’d estimate it’s closer to a third of young guys than 5 percent.

 

[HighTGymcel]

Just 5%? Are they counting prostitutes? If so, them the real numbers would probably be between 15-20%

I bet they do

 

[Deleted member 38579]

Ideally, we should just label ourselves as blackpilled, akin to redpillers, rather than incels.

well that could be bad because this place will get filled with fakecels.

 

[solblue]

well that could be bad because this place will get filled with fakecels.

Also true. We get enough as is anyways jfl. Probably not much we can do against strawman arguments, although something like true forced loneliness (TFL) also describes a similar situation while not mentioning sex at all. Not as catchy though

 

[Deleted member 38579]

Probably not much we can do against strawman arguments anyways

we can't do nothing about dishonest retarded people sadly, they will keep slandering and acting dishonest because it's as easy and as accesible as breathing. imagine if being dishonest was illegal, they wouldn't open their mouth ever in their lives

 

[FuRed]

i don't have a personal grudge with your or anything, but days before i told you you make bluepilled posts and i'd say this is the proof of it.

well that could be bad because this place will get filled with fakecels.

we can't do nothing about dishonest retarded people sadly, they will keep slandering and acting dishonest because it's as easy and as accesible as breathing. imagine if being dishonest was illegal, they wouldn't open their mouth ever in their lives

 

[Deleted member 38579]

 

[blackpillistruth]

Ban all users who joined after June 2021

 

[Saint Cho]

fucking landwhales =/= ascension

 

[BlkPillPres]

if there was then we wouldn't have a world population of almost 8 billion people

Well actually it only takes one man to impregnate multiple women, you are falsely assuming that all of these pregnancies that create the 8 billion are the result of monogamy

I mean just look at American statistics, around 40% of all pregnancies are outside of wedlock, and 15% of men will father children with more than one woman (and that last stat was from fucking 2006, imagine what its like now)

The population would grow just fine even if there was hundreds of millions of incels, because women have always wanted to be in the harems of superior men to begin with

Last time I checked there is a documented 30% global paternity fraud rate, women aren't marrying the men they want to fuck anyways

Its always been an alpha fuxx + beta buxx dual mating strategy

 

[Deleted member 35110]

Trucels probably around 5%-8%
Low tier normfags or incels probably around 25%

 

[Restart80]

Who the hell is even saying this shit though?

Most men obviously aren't incels, but hypergamy is definitely affecting most men, as most men today are licking up scraps.

A majority of men are definitely struggling in todays dating market, they are "getting something", but "getting something" isn't the definition of "success".

Even the average men today that have "sex lives" don't have satisfactory "sex lives", they are settling way lower than they would have to in the past and these women aren't even virgins.

Lets not even get into the realm of marriage and the quality of marriages most men have today (of which 50% end in divorce and 70% of those divorces are initiated by women)

The black pill isn't just about who can't get sex, its also about how female hypergamy has affected the male collective as a whole.

In the past there were always incels, just much less, and the average men in the past were at least getting a slice of the pie, now average men are getting crumbs.


LASTLY

If you ask a guy who has sex once a month if he's "sexually active" or if he was "sexually active in the last year", he will cope and answer with a resounding YES, because "technically" it is true.

The average man today will speak of whatever scraps he's getting as if its a full course meal, because:
1. Its embarrassing to say otherwise and society shames you for it

2. You have to fake it till you make it

A good example of that is if you ever plan on losing your virginity to a woman that isn't a prostitute, you'll have to keep lying about not being a virgin till you finally lose it.

High IQ

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

Yeah we are simply the losers of life. Normies slay while we rot on this shit forum

Yeah whatever

 

[FuRed]

You sure about that? Looks like that graph was trending upwards pretty sharply there, and it doesn't go past 2015.

I accounted for that, which is why I said under 10%, I allowed for the true incel rate to have doubled in 5 years.

If you think it's over 10% then you are coping hard, but you're kinda a coper tbh

 

[Restart80]

I accounted for that, which is why I said under 10%, I allowed for the true incel rate to have doubled in 5 years.

If you think it's over 10% then you are coping hard, but you're kinda a coper tbh

It's not cope. It's indulgence in accelerationism. Arguably accelerationism is a cope, but only if you don't believe in the glorious impending collapse and implosion of our horrendous society.

Assuming the increase remained constant from 2014, and it increased by over 1% each year, you would be surpassing 10% by 2021. And if it was increasing at an increasing rate, then well..

That graph also shows males who are 5 years older than the often cited 18-30 graph(s)... meaning the graph itself is not only outdated, but it uses a demographic that is 5 years in the past relative to the 18-30 year olds. You may as well be showing us a graph from like fucking 2010 (for 18-30 year olds), before dating apps were ever widely used.

 

[FuRed]

It's not cope. It's indulgence in accelerationism. Arguably accelerationism is a cope, but only if you don't believe in the glorious impending collapse and implosion of our horrendous society.

I don't believe in that, I think it's cope. BIG cope.

Gradual decline/stagnation is the accurate truth.

Assuming the increase remained constant from 2014, and it increased by over 1% each year, you would be surpassing 10% by 2021. And if it was increasing at an increasing rate, then well..

Except recent surveys show the increase did not continue, in fact it decreased, see:

More men are escaping incel, and more femcels are appearing (BIG blackpill for 2021)

Chart taken from this article: https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-faith-less-sex-why-are-so-many-unmarried-young-adults-not-having-sex I thought so. Contrary to what many believe here (more men are becoming incels bro, femcels don't exist bro), I knew something like this was going on. The "more...

incels.is

Like I said, you've always been a bit of a coper tbh I'd hope it might change soon

 

[Restart80]

I accounted for that, which is why I said under 10%, I allowed for the true incel rate to have doubled in 5 years.

If you think it's over 10% then you are coping hard, but you're kinda a coper tbh

I have a handful of male friends, and while not all of them may be lifelong virgins, the singledom rate is 100%. Virginity rate is probably 50%.

I don't believe in that, I think it's cope. BIG cope.

Gradual decline/stagnation is the accurate truth.

Except recent surveys show the increase did not continue, in fact it decreased, see:

More men are escaping incel, and more femcels are appearing (BIG blackpill for 2021)

Chart taken from this article: https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-faith-less-sex-why-are-so-many-unmarried-young-adults-not-having-sex I thought so. Contrary to what many believe here (more men are becoming incels bro, femcels don't exist bro), I knew something like this was going on. The "more...

incels.is

Like I said, you've always been a bit of a coper tbh, I'd hope it might change soon

That last graph is just a COVID graph. Female sexlessness only increased because they listen too much to daddy gov. It has nothing to do with a decline in their SMV.

As for why male sexlessness fell during that period, I don't know why. But COVID/lockdowns and "new normal" is an anomaly, so it isn't surprising that it isn't representative of the trend. An explanation for the fall in male sexlessness would be interesting though.

 

[FuRed]

I have a handful of male friends, and while not all of them may be lifelong virgins, the singledom rate is 100%. Virginity rate is probably 50%.

Well tbh that's pretty weird, I would say you are the minority here, incels here (those that actually have friends) report to having noncel friends and even Chad friends.

Maybe you were actually able to scout well for local incels to become friends with.

 

[Deleted member 140]

The number of incels worldwide is around 100000, you have to stupid to believe that there hundreds of millions of incels, if there was then we wouldn't have a world population of almost 8 billion people

There's 40 million incels in China alone due to the massive gender imbalance, and add poverty into that there's even more due to the massive open hypergamy culture in China. Now add India which has basically the same thing. That's 80-100 m[UWSL]illion, at the very least. Add the rest of the Anglo countries, Russia, and South America, that's at least 200 million incels guaranteed worldwide. Add in Africa, that's probably 300 million. [/UWSL]

 

[FuRed]

Add in Africa, that's probably 300 million.

Seriously? Primitive rape zone?