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Itachi Uchiha the narcissist genius - character analysis and defense, one of the best written fictional characters

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Itachi isn't black or white. Itachi isn't a hero. Itachi isn't a bootlicking race traitor. Itachi isn't a sad backstory merchant. Itachi is way more complex than that.

Itachi is, largely, a narcissist. His whole life he had been told he was the pride of the Uchiha clan, a never-before-seen talent, a genius who stood above all the other clan members. Given how opportunistic the Uchiha were (which is understandable from their perspective), Itachi was burdened with a lot of heavy duty at a very young age.

When he saw the path the Uchiha were heading down, he tried to give his own input, warning his dad against an all out coup d'etat, but his dad dismissed him as a naive child. He was in this position where he was doing all the heavy lifting for the Uchiha because of his supposed genius, yet when he tried to actually lead the clan, nobody was listening to him. The very people who've been telling him how great he was his whole life had treated him like a joke. This causes Itachi to completely shut himself off from the rest of the world. He felt he understood the conflict better than all of them, and that only he alone could resolve it. Rather than continuing to openly oppose his fathers plan, he masks his true intentions, and pretends to be on board with the uprising. He thought that whether they understood his intentions or not was irrelevant, after all, they were reliant on him, his actions would ultimately be the ones to decide the clans fate.

After detaching himself from everyone around him, he slowly grew more and more irritated. The Uchiha kept telling him what to do, and what the future of the clan should be. He was frustrated by the fact that the people who were supposedly below him would keep talking as if they were smarter than him. You can see this fully on display in the scene where a couple of Uchiha officers interrogate Itachi about Shisui's death. Itachi convinced himself that their perception of him didn't matter, yet when they insinuated that he murdered his best friend, his built up anger pushed it's way to the surface as he beat them up and threw a kunai into the Uchiha crest saying "There's no hope left for this pathetic clan."

By the time the Uchiha massacre took place, I believe Itachi fully resented the clan, though he obviously still had love for them. His decision didn't come solely from heroism, solely from his devotion for the village, it also came from a sense of superiority and I would say it was the easy way out. If he had swallowed his pride and kept arguing his perspective to the rest of the clan, refusing to do the dirty work, he might have prevented the conflict. Instead he felt that he was above debating with his inferiors. Doing something extreme and then living with the aftermath seems momentarily easier than continually arguing with inferior ninjas. He framed himself as this necessary martyr, not because he was truly a selfless hero, but because it was a band-aid fix to the real problem. He isn't tragic just because a bad thing happened to him, he is tragic because he was conditioned into a state of mind where he felt he couldn't reach out to anyone, even within his own family.

His withdrawal pre-Uchiha massacre was mostly superiority driven, while after the massacre it was mostly driven by shame. He was 13 at the time of the massacre, in the years following, as he matured, he must've realized how flawed his resolution for the conflict was. How he ruined not only his own, but also Sasuke's mental state. But the snowball effect was already in motion, he couldn't just approach Sasuke and confess that his intention was to protect him. It never would've worked, the hatred that Itachi put inside of Sasuke needed to be channeled somewhere, Itachi's only redemption could come from his own death. He had to die an isolated villain. And as a reanimation he fully acknowledges that most of his actions had been mistakes. That Sasuke shouldn't have been forced by a path through isolation, but rather nurtured through connection.

What Itachi did started a snowball effect that dictated the course of the entire show. Naruto and Sasuke literally debate over Itachi's words and way of life before their fight at the final valley. He is at the center of the narrative, he is simultaneously tragic and villainous, he is simultaneously of low self-worth and a narcissist, his powers are symbolic for his illusive way of life, his presence carries every scene he's in. He is one of the best written fictional characters ever made.

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Dnr he was bad character. You dont need to write complex characters to be badass. I will stand my statement itachi was badass in og naruto. More than that cucked shippuden version
 
Dnr he was bad character. You dont need to write complex characters to be badass. I will stand my statement itachi was badass in og naruto. More than that cucked shippuden version
He was complex and badass.
 
Itachi isn't black or white. Itachi isn't a hero. Itachi isn't a bootlicking race traitor. Itachi isn't a sad backstory merchant. Itachi is way more complex than that.

Itachi is, largely, a narcissist. His whole life he had been told he was the pride of the Uchiha clan, a never-before-seen talent, a genius who stood above all the other clan members. Given how opportunistic the Uchiha were (which is understandable from their perspective), Itachi was burdened with a lot of heavy duty at a very young age.

When he saw the path the Uchiha were heading down, he tried to give his own input, warning his dad against an all out coup d'etat, but his dad dismissed him as a naive child. He was in this position where he was doing all the heavy lifting for the Uchiha because of his supposed genius, yet when he tried to actually lead the clan, nobody was listening to him. The very people who've been telling him how great he was his whole life had treated him like a joke. This causes Itachi to completely shut himself off from the rest of the world. He felt he understood the conflict better than all of them, and that only he alone could resolve it. Rather than continuing to openly oppose his fathers plan, he masks his true intentions, and pretends to be on board with the uprising. He thought that whether they understood his intentions or not was irrelevant, after all, they were reliant on him, his actions would ultimately be the ones to decide the clans fate.

After detaching himself from everyone around him, he slowly grew more and more irritated. The Uchiha kept telling him what to do, and what the future of the clan should be. He was frustrated by the fact that the people who were supposedly below him would keep talking as if they were smarter than him. You can see this fully on display in the scene where a couple of Uchiha officers interrogate Itachi about Shisui's death. Itachi convinced himself that their perception of him didn't matter, yet when they insinuated that he murdered his best friend, his built up anger pushed it's way to the surface as he beat them up and threw a kunai into the Uchiha crest saying "There's no hope left for this pathetic clan."

By the time the Uchiha massacre took place, I believe Itachi fully resented the clan, though he obviously still had love for them. His decision didn't come solely from heroism, solely from his devotion for the village, it also came from a sense of superiority and I would say it was the easy way out. If he had swallowed his pride and kept arguing his perspective to the rest of the clan, refusing to do the dirty work, he might have prevented the conflict. Instead he felt that he was above debating with his inferiors. Doing something extreme and then living with the aftermath seems momentarily easier than continually arguing with inferior ninjas. He framed himself as this necessary martyr, not because he was truly a selfless hero, but because it was a band-aid fix to the real problem. He isn't tragic just because a bad thing happened to him, he is tragic because he was conditioned into a state of mind where he felt he couldn't reach out to anyone, even within his own family.

His withdrawal pre-Uchiha massacre was mostly superiority driven, while after the massacre it was mostly driven by shame. He was 13 at the time of the massacre, in the years following, as he matured, he must've realized how flawed his resolution for the conflict was. How he ruined not only his own, but also Sasuke's mental state. But the snowball effect was already in motion, he couldn't just approach Sasuke and confess that his intention was to protect him. It never would've worked, the hatred that Itachi put inside of Sasuke needed to be channeled somewhere, Itachi's only redemption could come from his own death. He had to die an isolated villain. And as a reanimation he fully acknowledges that most of his actions had been mistakes. That Sasuke shouldn't have been forced by a path through isolation, but rather nurtured through connection.

What Itachi did started a snowball effect that dictated the course of the entire show. Naruto and Sasuke literally debate over Itachi's words and way of life before their fight at the final valley. He is at the center of the narrative, he is simultaneously tragic and villainous, he is simultaneously of low self-worth and a narcissist, his powers are symbolic for his illusive way of life, his presence carries every scene he's in. He is one of the best written fictional characters ever made.

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Unrelated but:

Tagid, ze nahon sheata medaber ivrit?

If you didn't understand the message then nvm I just need to know the answer from you about it with 0 explanations given because of a claim I heard about you, alr?
 
Unrelated but:

Tagid, ze nahon sheata medaber ivrit?

If you didn't understand the message then nvm I just need to know the answer from you about it with 0 explanations given because of a claim I heard about you, alr?
Idk what that is. Is it hebrew since some ppl think in jewish?
 
Idk what that is. Is it hebrew since some ppl think in jewish?
If you don't mind I'll sperg now I just don't have elsewhere where to write it.

Yes it is. I now know for sure that you're not Jewish. I just needed to check it because some been claiming as you said that you're Jewish. I really don't know why people are obsessed so much with this shit especially when they have extremely poor abilities to detect jews. I feel like we're truly weird case of looking inkwell (not truecel tho, most of the time at least) but being so low inhib to the point that we become somehow attractive

And here's the thing: I'm severely high inhib to the point I'm obnoxious but also even more low inhib than most Israelis because for example I couldn't care less about offending arsim extremely obsessed with Judaism or whatever, plus I'm autistic af, lost all my talents, look worse as I aged, was in semi SPED and now in full SPED despite being 20 etc...

Basically I don't have any sort of chance to ascend at least where I live. Any advice what to do? And sorry for all this information being spit out out of nowhere
 
If you don't mind I'll sperg now I just don't have elsewhere where to write it.

Yes it is. I now know for sure that you're not Jewish. I just needed to check it because some been claiming as you said that you're Jewish. I really don't know why people are obsessed so much with this shit especially when they have extremely poor abilities to detect jews. I feel like we're truly weird case of looking inkwell (not truecel tho, most of the time at least) but being so low inhib to the point that we become somehow attractive

And here's the thing: I'm severely high inhib to the point I'm obnoxious but also even more low inhib than most Israelis because for example I couldn't care less about offending arsim extremely obsessed with Judaism or whatever, plus I'm autistic af, lost all my talents, look worse as I aged, was in semi SPED and now in full SPED despite being 20 etc...

Basically I don't have any sort of chance to ascend at least where I live. Any advice what to do? And sorry for all this information being spit out out of nowhere
Why are you asking another incel on how to ascend. Best I can tell you is to softmax and approach since your situation will only get worse with time.

They responded to my thread about jews living rent free in their head by calling me a jew so I thought it was funny and played along. I'm one of the good goyim.

Let's keep this thread about Itachi though.
 
Why are you asking another incel on how to ascend. Best I can tell you is to softmax and approach since your situation will only get worse with time.

They responded to my thread about jews living rent free in their head by calling me a jew so I thought it was funny and played along. I'm one of the good goyim.

Let's keep this thread about Itachi though.
Alr, I'll ask you the questions in dms
 
Great analysis. Masashi Kishimoto is probably the one author in the world with the keenest understanding of what life is like when you are different from other people. Whether it is the curse of being a "superior genius" like Itachi and Kakashi, or the curse of being an "inferior dunce" like Naruto, or something else. He explores all of the realities a non-NPC can fall into and how to deal with the problems those realities bring perfectly. Kishimoto has the type of talent which only comes once in a century or so.
 
need more of this
 
Great analysis. Masashi Kishimoto is probably the one author in the world with the keenest understanding of what life is like when you are different from other people. Whether it is the curse of being a "superior genius" like Itachi and Kakashi, or the curse of being an "inferior dunce" like Naruto, or something else. He explores all of the realities a non-NPC can fall into and how to deal with the problems those realities bring perfectly. Kishimoto has the type of talent which only comes once in a century or so.
And he manages to do it while making the show itself entertaining. Like 90% of the fanbase doesn't even understand most of it, which is a testament to how engaging the plot is.
 
need more of this
Doubt it'll happen. I only do this when I'm really bored and feel passionate about defending characters I like from being slandered. Only ones I might do in the not so near future is a Kisame thread and a Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Danzo 3 in 1 thread.
 
And he manages to do it while making the show itself entertaining. Like 90% of the fanbase doesn't even understand most of it, which is a testament to how engaging the plot is.
It really is amazing how he could make a series all about the deepest and darkest questions in life appeal to so many people. If only they understood it as such, and actually learned from its lessons. Then the blackpill hell we find ourselves in now might have eased up a bit. Creators of stories really are amazing people. I have studied storytelling and have attempted to write some stories of my own for the fun and curiosity of it. But even so, I still can't really grasp how they do it so well. Great stories are blessing because there are some deeper things in life which can not really be conveyed in plain language, but that can be conveyed through stories.
Doubt it'll happen. I only do this when I'm really bored and feel passionate about defending characters I like from being slandered. Only ones I might do in the not so near future is a Kisame thread and a Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Danzo 3 in 1 thread.
Orochimaru and Danzo are such great "evil" characters. Far too many people misunderstand and hate on those characters as well. I love the whole concept of the Anbu in Naruto.

Also, apologies to you if you have been wishing for more in-depth answers to your Naruto threads from fellow Naruto fans. It is just that your perspective on Naruto seems to be very aligned with mine so I have not had much more to say than "I agree" unfortunately. I will answer your new "Naruto Character tier list" thread as well with my own character tier list, but that will probably be tomorrow. My tier list will be more in the style of your old "My Perfect Naruto Characters" thread though.
 
It really is amazing how he could make a series all about the deepest and darkest questions in life appeal to so many people. If only they understood it as such, and actually learned from its lessons. Then the blackpill hell we find ourselves in now might have eased up a bit. Creators of stories really are amazing people. I have studied storytelling and have attempted to write some stories of my own for the fun and curiosity of it. But even so, I still can't really grasp how they do it so well. Great stories are blessing because there are some deeper things in life which can not really be conveyed in plain language, but that can be conveyed through stories.
I wrote one fairytale which was easy enough since I felt passionate about it and the dialogue is minimal. Then I thought I had a good idea for a novel, but I just couldn't make it interesting enough, it's very hard. Might also rework it into a fairytale one day when I'm bored.
Orochimaru and Danzo are such great "evil" characters. Far too many people misunderstand and hate on those characters as well. I love the whole concept of the Anbu in Naruto.

Also, apologies to you if you have been wishing for more in-depth answers to your Naruto threads from fellow Naruto fans. It is just that your perspective on Naruto seems to be very aligned with mine so I have not had much more to say than "I agree" unfortunately. I will answer your new "Naruto Character tier list" thread as well with my own character tier list, but that will probably be tomorrow. My tier list will be more in the style of your old "My Perfect Naruto Characters" thread though.
No problem, you don't owe me anything.
 
Doubt it'll happen. I only do this when I'm really bored and feel passionate about defending characters I like from being slandered. Only ones I might do in the not so near future is a Kisame thread and a Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Danzo 3 in 1 thread.
Okay but Danzo slander is justified, not poorly written though
 
I wrote one fairytale which was easy enough since I felt passionate about it and the dialogue is minimal. Then I thought I had a good idea for a novel, but I just couldn't make it interesting enough, it's very hard. Might also rework it into a fairytale one day when I'm bored.
That's cool. It is good to have creative projects, hobbies and interests. There is an infinite amount of things to learn about those things and it helps one escape the extreme mundanity that can be truecel day to day, week to week and even year to year life. Or really anyone's life, because normal human experiences (even Chad ones) can only give one so much reason to live. Believing that is one of my copes at least, because there is no way for me to truly know how fulfilling life as Chad would be. Hobbies is a topic for another thread though, so I will leave it at that here.
 
That's cool. It is good to have creative projects, hobbies and interests. There is an infinite amount of things to learn about those things and it helps one escape the extreme mundanity that can be truecel day to day, week to week and even year to year life. Or really anyone's life, because normal human experiences (even Chad ones) can only give one so much reason to live. Believing that is one of my copes at least, because there is no way for me to truly know how fulfilling life as Chad would be. Hobbies is a topic for another thread though, so I will leave it at that here.
Lol my very first thread on the forum was me shitting on hobbies.
 
Lol my very first thread on the forum was me shitting on hobbies.
Haha that is an interesting thread. I have been meaning to write what I would call "lovepill" and "friendpill" threads of my own. I basically do not believe that love, whether romantic or platonic is a real, possible or desirable thing anymore. I do not believe that loneliness is some profound thing either. Those might interest you given that thread you made. They are a long time away though, it takes me a long time to put my beliefs into words. I am basically meaning to write a series of threads that would be something like "The Complete Blackpill According to St3v3Cel".
 
Absolutely. To call him a badly written character is absurd, he's one of the most complex characters in the show.
 
Nothing about Itachi sounds narcissistic to me. A narcissist wouldn't have left the village as an outlaw. Ghost Itachi was right, the massacre was a complete mistake. But that doesn't mean he was wrong about uchiggers being uchiggers. He was justified in calling out their clan nonsense. They saw him as a weapon instead of listening and it was 100% their fault.

If they were not going to make him a villian (best outcome) they should've atleast tried to make him a leaf fanatic. The kind that would've been vulnerable to Danzo's manipulation. Now we have to pretend that he was a narcissist for the massacre to make sense. Because the action of killing his parents and civilians simply does not fit the contemplative brooding genius that is canon Itachi.

This entire thing ultimately ends up proving that Chadbirama was right all along.
 
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