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Greycel
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Don't wanna bore anyone so here's a quick personal background enough to know where I'm coming from, I'm 33, I've never dated, I've never had a girlfriend, tried that in high school for a year and got absolutely nowhere. It's like I was invisible to the girls. I think I'm wired differently, I was never outgoing and I didn't really like most of my peers. So I switched to prostitutes about half-way through high school so I'm what you would call an "escortcel". There was some spark of hope things would change in college, they didn't, still invisible.

At this point I'm done and have been so for years. I'm not interested in "improving my personality" or "getting therapy" or "help" or any of the other nonsense. I'm also not interested in trying to change the world or people, humanity is what it is with its cruelty and irrationality, not like I'm an angel myself. I'm not even interested in a relationship anymore, that ship has sailed. I'm not angry at women, you won't see me calling them "foids" or anything like that, I just don't believe I could ever commit to one now, knowing what I know now. It's an issue of trust which will hopefully become clearer as you read on below. The only thing I'm interested in is making money and being left alone to pursue as many prostitutes as possible. {I should point out I'm from Europe though. There's far more tolerance towards it.}

Call it the voidpill if you want. It's my own spin on the blackpill. If forming romantic relationships doesn't come naturally to you, it's a waste of time to keep trying. But I also think suicide is stupid. My theory is that prostitution is a perfectly valid alternative to dating and marriage and certainly preferable to going insane or becoming a monster. It was also a lot more common and accepted in history than people think. In the US for example the prohibition approach is relatively new and influenced by ultra-socially conservative Christians and far leftists of the feminazi variety. In eastern Europe for example the communists banned it while in power, the Christians never cared as much.

I believe that relationships are overrated. I mean sure we've missed out on a lot of the unique experiences like first time romance with a high school or college sweetheart, equally not many of my male peers can say they lost their virginity to a grown woman while still a teen. As for the money spent, I don't miss any of it and dating isn't free either. The sex is free but you have to spend money on a bunch of other shit before you get to the free sex part. As you get older many women start to expect even more things from you like having a good job or a your own house. They may expect this even if they themselves do not have a good job or a house of their own. In the end I think few of the normies actually get "free sex" and they also can get screwed over when the relationship goes bad. Messy separations, being pressured into having a child that maybe you didn't really want and now you're also stuck paying child support (with part of the money not even being used for your kid's benefit), sexless marriages and boredom after only a few years, lots of things can go wrong.

I'm not saying you can't live "happily ever after" but many don't. From my own observation into escort forums, most people who pay for sex aren't even remotely close to being incels. Half are 40-something married men in boring relationships, only 20% claimed they do it because they don't have a girlfriend and out of that 20% it's hard to believe most of them NEVER had one.

Even in my own class in high school, there was at least one chad (he seemed like one anyway) that admitted to paying for sex. I once even heard of a small group of teens exchanging information about hookers (never confirmed it though, I researched prostitutes on my own without relying on tips from people in real life). It seems a LOT more common than people think even among the normies. The actor who plays Walter White I think also lost his virginity to a prostitute. Two out of three of the people I used to hang around with in college admitted to paying for sex. The random rich 50 year old on TV with a model on his arm? You can bet he doesn't get it for free and if he ever did he certainly won't get it now.

The situation is fucked, but not completely. Even if this is illegal where you live there are always loopholes around it. If it's any comfort, keep in mind that normies also get screwed over and few actually get "sex for free" with a "hot" gf that loves them. Sex with a prostitute is worth giving a chance at least once in your life. There are also GFE services where the prostitute will simulate girlfriend companionship. Maybe paid sex feels expensive for you but it depends on the region. Universally what would help would be a cut to welfare spending and decriminalization globally. That should lower prices in places where it is too high. Less welfare will convince many low skilled women to enter the prostitution industry creating more competition. Lower taxes will allow you to keep more of the money you make. Decriminalization will make prostitutes lower their price as they're not longer pricing in the jail or fine risk. It should also a deal a blow to the OnlyFans crowd that exploit male sexuality without giving any real sex in return. Never pay for porn. You can use free porn if you want, but don't encourage women to make money without putting out.

And for anyone asking, no, COVID-19 hasn't made me reconsider any of this.
 
Cope. You will never get to spend time with a female who wants to be with you and experience all of the small events that make life bearable. All the while chad has an endless list of them begging for him, and if he just wants to smash he has an endless list for that as well.
 
I made a post on what I call "cuck capitalism" . In this mode of capitalism, it's all about sexual experiences. And the evidence is the porn industry. There is probably not a single faithful relationship. I suspect that you are quick witted enough to avoid anyone starting a relationship with you; probably because they want to be forthright and open sexually.
 
Cope. You will never get to spend time with a female who wants to be with you and experience all of the small events that make life bearable. All the while chad has an endless list of them begging for him, and if he just wants to smash he has an endless list for that as well.

You need to stop comparing the top .01 percent of men with everyone else.
Everyone pay for sex to varying degree based on their attractiveness.
Even the frat chads/chadlites
have to pay for frat house, have food, booze, drugs parties etc to get sex from college sluts.

Point is politicians need to keep the price of sex high and to sell the bluepilled illusion that any man can get a faithful virgin wife and some children if he be a good citizen and work hard all his life.
They wont even allowed sex dolls brothels because that would steer men away from betabuxxing a whore wife and to keep the cogs running to let politicians live a life of decadence and degeneracies.

What happened when a man work hard all his life, and see it was for nothing and the illusion crumbles around him?

He kills himself. 70% of suicides are middle age white males.
 
Cope. You will never get to spend time with a female who wants to be with you and experience all of the small events that make life bearable. All the while chad has an endless list of them begging for him, and if he just wants to smash he has an endless list for that as well.
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You need to stop comparing the top .01 percent of men with everyone else.
Everyone pay for sex to varying degree based on their attractiveness.
Even the frat chads/chadlites
have to pay for frat house, have food, booze, drugs parties etc to get sex from college sluts.

Point is politicians need to keep the price of sex high and to sell the bluepilled illusion that any man can get a faithful virgin wife and some children if he be a good citizen and work hard all his life.
They wont even allowed sex dolls brothels because that would steer men away from betabuxxing a whore wife and to keep the cogs running to let politicians live a life of decadence and degeneracies.

What happened when a man work hard all his life, and see it was for nothing and the illusion crumbles around him?

He kills himself. 70% of suicides are middle age white males.

Getting prostitution at least decriminalized in the US is doable (it's already a thing in vast parts of Europe + poor enforcement in other places), this used to be the case in much of pre-1910 US so it's not utopian. But there also needs to be a tougher push for it, until there are protests and people losing their seats over the issue, cases getting overturned or mistrialed with jury nullification, nothing gets done. The pro-prostitution crowd needs to learn how to do propaganda and do it with more conviction. See how other groups are doing it for other issues.
 
Point is politicians need to keep the price of sex high and to sell the bluepilled illusion that any man can get a faithful virgin wife and some children if he be a good citizen and work hard all his life.
They wont even allowed sex dolls brothels because that would steer men away from betabuxxing a whore wife and to keep the cogs running to let politicians live a life of decadence and degeneracies.

@ExpiringAspirin Just schooling everyone on blackpill 101. Massive IQ
 
Welcome, greycel. Killer first post.

Let it be known that I coined "voidpill" back in the braincels days, but it had nothing to do with prostitutes. Anyway, carry on.

You need to stop comparing the top .01 percent of men with everyone else.
Everyone pay for sex to varying degree based on their attractiveness.
Even the frat chads/chadlites
have to pay for frat house, have food, booze, drugs parties etc to get sex from college sluts.

Point is politicians need to keep the price of sex high and to sell the bluepilled illusion that any man can get a faithful virgin wife and some children if he be a good citizen and work hard all his life.
They wont even allowed sex dolls brothels because that would steer men away from betabuxxing a whore wife and to keep the cogs running to let politicians live a life of decadence and degeneracies.

What happened when a man work hard all his life, and see it was for nothing and the illusion crumbles around him?

He kills himself. 70% of suicides are middle age white males.

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You need to stop comparing the top .01 percent of men with everyone else.
Everyone pay for sex to varying degree based on their attractiveness.
Even the frat chads/chadlites
have to pay for frat house, have food, booze, drugs parties etc to get sex from college sluts.

Point is politicians need to keep the price of sex high and to sell the bluepilled illusion that any man can get a faithful virgin wife and some children if he be a good citizen and work hard all his life.
They wont even allowed sex dolls brothels because that would steer men away from betabuxxing a whore wife and to keep the cogs running to let politicians live a life of decadence and degeneracies.

What happened when a man work hard all his life, and see it was for nothing and the illusion crumbles around him?

He kills himself. 70% of suicides are middle age white males.
I think you missed the point. It doesn’t matter who is getting the “ideal”. And as far as the chadlites go, that situation would be impossible for an incel, who would gladly buy some booze and throw a party if it meant he’d get some interactions sexual or not with a foid. The point was that, calling prostitution a “tenable” replacement for what we are missing is entirely missing the reality of what incel are suffering from on a daily basis. No amount of 30 minute emotionless whore sessions will compare to what most men, not just Chad, get on at least a semi regular or reliable in the future basis in their lives. Because the truth is that incel are the minority. Go outside and look around.
 
Welcome, greycel. Killer first post.

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Giving women rights was the biggest atrocity in human history. Foids are enabled to slut around, cheating on their boyfriends and husbands while aborting babies without any repercussions. Don't even get me started on how foids would try to ruin an innocent ugly Male's entire life.

It's time to stop such madness. #REPEALTHE19TH

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Man, I have a problem in the skin that does not allow me to enjoy sex with a condom on it. I will need to have it raw. I wish I was like you and I could solve my foid problem the way you solved it. The suffering has not being worth it. I also like JB teens so there is no easy solution for me. But I agree with you, I think nobody has sex for free really.
 
Universally what would help would be a cut to welfare spending and decriminalization globally. That should lower prices in places where it is too high. Less welfare will convince many low skilled women to enter the prostitution industry creating more competition. Lower taxes will allow you to keep more of the money you make. Decriminalization will make prostitutes lower their price as they're not longer pricing in the jail or fine risk.

It's not just welfare, it's also reproductive healthcare and public education. I've hesitated a while to protest public education, but I've made my mind : I can't support it. Children are innocent so people will say it's callous to not care about their well being, but I'm calling it a blackmail. Children are used as hostage to extort money from people, even from those who don't have children. This is not acceptable. People who have kids should pay for them, and if they can't, then well, they shouldn't have had kids. I refuse to pay anything for other people's offspring, this is quite literally cucked.

Public education is typically a very significant portion of government expanses. If sex-havers had to pay for it, they would think twice before popping kids and everyone would probably better off.
 
Have you picked up any STD's from banging hookers over the years?
 
Welcome, greycel. Killer first post.
Yeah, I agree with that. It's been a while since I hadn't read a good greycel post.

Is it a coincidence that it comes from a guy who's been fucking hookers since high-school ? I doubt it. I mean it's almost like fucking prostitutes is a good substitute for real relationships and a good way to keep your sanity.
 
Giving women rights was the biggest atrocity in human history. Foids are enabled to slut around, cheating on their boyfriends and husbands while aborting babies without any repercussions. Don't even get me started on how foids would try to ruin an innocent ugly Male's entire life.

It's time to stop such madness. #REPEALTHE19TH

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Even from a purely self-interested point of view, I don't agree with that. There are countries in the Middle East where women actually don't have rights. None of that benefits the common man. Almost every male is a virgin in their teens and early 20's, access to prostitution is severely curtailed, you may get a wife but if she's not "the one" you're probably out of luck.

Plenty of incels to find, it's pretty simple math. If there is enforced monogamy (plus a little bit of polygamy) and men outnumber women, then you're looking at a huge number of incels that have no chance of overcoming their virginity unless they leave the country for good.

Not a fan of enforced monogamy. And the government is typically made up of obnoxious chads, do you think they will socially engineer things in your favor?
 
Public education is typically a very significant portion of government expanses. If sex-havers had to pay for it, they would think twice before popping kids and everyone would probably better off.

Birthrates would plummet, which would affect the nation in more ways than one can write about. You need a minimum level of public education to keep society functional and the economy lubricated.
 
Even from a purely self-interested point of view, I don't agree with that. There are countries in the Middle East where women actually don't have rights. None of that benefits the common man. Almost every male is a virgin in their teens and early 20's, access to prostitution is severely curtailed, you may get a wife but if she's not "the one" you're probably out of luck.

Plenty of incels to find, it's pretty simple math. If there is enforced monogamy (plus a little bit of polygamy) and men outnumber women, then you're looking at a huge number of incels that have no chance of overcoming their virginity unless they leave the country for good.

Not a fan of enforced monogamy. And the government is typically made up of obnoxious chads, do you think they will socially engineer things in your favor?
We should be transhumanmaxx and geneticengineermaxx, we need to create a new race of ubermensch to escape inkwelldom, thoughts?
 
Birthrates would plummet, which would affect the nation in more ways than one can write about. You need a minimum level of public education to keep society functional and the economy lubricated.
Again : that's blackmailing. "Give us your money or else".

Truly, nobody really knows what would happen if we made that drastic a change to society. Contrafactual arguments are not acceptable.
 
Have you picked up any STD's from banging hookers over the years?

Maybe the common cold (if that counts). :)

I might also catch the cough-19 but that's not stopping me either. From the data gathered so far it is nowhere near as dangerous as people first believed, definitely not for someone in their 30's.
 
Maybe the common cold (if that counts). :)

I might also catch the cough-19 but that's not stopping me either. From the data gathered so far it is nowhere near as dangerous as people first believed, definitely not for someone in their 30's.

Wow so you've never caught herpes or anything dangerous. Do you only see higher end escorts (more expensive)?
 
Wow so you've never caught herpes or anything dangerous. Do you only see higher end escorts (more expensive)?
Somewhere in the middle. Not the sickly looking street hookers, not the high end. At minimum they need their own apartment.
 
Somewhere in the middle. Not the sickly looking street hookers, not the high end. At minimum they need their own apartment.

Interesting. I also hope to adopt the voidpill lifestyle
 
Interesting. I also hope to adopt the voidpill lifestyle
Admittedly it might be more difficult to accomplish in the US because there it's actually illegal and seems somewhat enforced as well. But things are also very localized so I could be missing the details. There may be entire towns where none of this is actually enforced or very difficult to prove.

The Nevada brothels aren't worth it, artificial scarcity of legal prostitution makes them significantly more expensive than Europe or Thailand or any of the other popular places.
 
Op, I feel so much where you are right now.

I am reaching 30 and also am in the exact same position. I have considered the same thing you do; completely give up romatic pursuit (after years of trying and failing) and just move out of my country and start fuking cheap whores in Thailand or Phillipine.

Not very fulffiling but its still a good way to cope the loneliness out.

I know a moroccan friend who did that, guy was rich and owned real estate, yet was still virgin and unsuccesful with women at 30.

Moved in thailand, fucked whores and hookers for some months and ended up wifing a cute thai chck later on.
Although he stayed in Thailand to do his beta buxxing deed, not only it it cheap, but smaller chance of the foids there leaving you as divorce laws as less cucked there
 
Man, I have a problem in the skin that does not allow me to enjoy sex with a condom on it. I will need to have it raw. I wish I was like you and I could solve my foid problem the way you solved it. The suffering has not being worth it. I also like JB teens so there is no easy solution for me. But I agree with you, I think nobody has sex for free really.
Hmmm, I dunno what kind of problem that is, if you don't enjoy it with a condom maybe desensitized? Might have to quit porn for a while.

Some women will have raw sex for extra, but it's probably too risky.
 
Again : that's blackmailing. "Give us your money or else".

Truly, nobody really knows what would happen if we made that drastic a change to society. Contrafactual arguments are not acceptable.

I don't think blackmailing is an accurate characterization here. I prefer to think of it as a closer-to-optimal decision towards a positive-sum outcome.

You're right, nobody does know for certain. I gave the condensed conclusion of what could likely happen based on an educated guess. I suppose I could do the legwork and research to collect the data and compile a paper to extrapolate from, but holy shit that's going to take a good chunk of time and energy. I took shortcuts with the logic and saw that, yes, removing public education from societies would be negative-sum.

Think of all the people you interact with in your daily and professional life. Now take a random sampling of that group and look at the average education level and general knowledge. You could in theory model functions that could show how much more time and/or money you would be losing per day if the overall education level of that group dropped by some noticeable margin.

Have you ever been to a grocery store and the cashier made an arithmetic error and punched the wrong numbers in and then had to do the mental math to give you your correct change? Well, imagine that this person (probably in their late teens, early 20s) never went to school in their life. They simply grew up, did whatever, and then decided to earn a minimum wage living working as a cashier. They were trained specifically with the machine and the tasks involved with money, scanning, receipt printing and all of that stuff. But in order to do that the company had to give them basic training in numbers and counting, so that they know something simple like knowing right away that 3>2 and 5+1.99 = 6.99. A manager would have to be called in to do their work whenever they fuck up. That takes resources away from the manager's job, which slows down the business operation and ultimately the bottom line of the company.

Now multiply this kind of event by tens of thousands (extremely generous and conservative estimate) per hour, per day, all over the country. Just from this simple example, you can see how damaging it could be to not have a basic education and try to function in society, let alone have every other cog in the machine spin in sync.
 
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Think of all the people you interact with in your daily and professional life. Now take a random sampling of that group and look at the average education level and general knowledge.
I think one issue that makes the debate even more complicated is that what we call public education these days is arguably less about education than it is about taking care of the kids while the parents work. Schools are glorified day care centers.

Of course, this is debatable, but my opinion is made and until someone changes my mind, I object to the idea that I and other people who don't have kids should be forced to pay for this institution.
 
Cope. You will never get to spend time with a female who wants to be with you and experience all of the small events that make life bearable. All the while chad has an endless list of them begging for him, and if he just wants to smash he has an endless list for that as well.
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Moo into the @Void

Brutal @Voidpill @Cowcel
 
My theory is that prostitution is a perfectly valid alternative to dating and marriage and certainly preferable to going insane or becoming a monster.

do you think suicide is a viable solution to suffering?
 
I think one issue that makes the debate even more complicated is that what we call public education these days is arguably less about education than it is about taking care of the kids while the parents work. Schools are glorified day care centers.

Sadly, a lot of people do think of public schools this way.

Of course, this is debatable, but my opinion is made and until someone changes my mind, I object to the idea that I and other people who don't have kids should be forced to pay for this institution.

I object to it also. It's financial cuckoldry enforced by the state. But I also acknowledge that it's a necessary shared cost of having a modern, functioning society. So despite my personal feelings and opinions, I have to accept the reality of the situation and yield. There are enough dumb people around. Any dumber and they'll be a hindrance in daily life.
 
High IQ post. I absolutely agree on the don't give money to women who aren't even putting out part.

As for the prostitution part, it's sad that things have come to this, but prostitution is unfortunately a way better deal logically speaking than trying to have relationships with "normal" women in 2020, especially if you're ugly. I don't plan on doing that anymore personally, but I won't throw any rocks at those who want to do it.
 
No, I'm against it. I've decided that life still offers enough positive experiences to balance it out.

well then this post is ironic because suicide is just admitting defeat as is conforming to western degeneracy and giving away your money to fuck prostitutes, yet your saying one is okay and the other isn't despite them being pretty much equal.
 
well then this post is ironic because suicide is just admitting defeat as is conforming to western degeneracy and giving away your money to fuck prostitutes, yet your saying one is okay and the other isn't despite them being pretty much equal.

How are both of them equal? Is it only the submission that makes them equal or is there something else too?
 
Escorting isn't a good option for a man with an anxiety disorder, you are paying through your nose to have an incredibly uncomfortable experience. Escorting is just for NT's and autists with low anxiety levels.
 
How are both of them equal? Is it only the submission that makes them equal or is there something else too?

just as the jews want us to commit suicide they first want us to give our money away to whores to accelerate their feminist agenda. I agree saying their equal is kind of vague i just wanted to leave that open to interpretation but to be specific they're both on the jewish agenda thats being forced down our throats. We're being backed into a corner where we only have 2 equally cucked choices. I dont belive in any formal conspiracy but this is kind of whats happening through memetics.

they both have a lot in common is a better way to phrase it. I dont understand how you could be against physical suicide but supportive of social/moral suicide.
 
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I dont understand how you could be against physical suicide but supportive of social/moral suicide.

There are a number of ways. For instance, you could be for prostitution coping and against suicide if you're a Utilitarian who believes in maximizing happiness while minimizing suffering.

Your morals in such a framework would allow for submission to societal degeneracy, but not for submission to suicide.
 
There are a number of ways. For instance, you could be for prostitution coping and against suicide if you're a Utilitarian who believes in maximizing happiness while minimizing suffering.

Your morals in such a framework would allow for submission to societal degeneracy, but not for submission to suicide.

>prostitution coping

what is this forum anymore. the reason any of us are here is because we arent having sex. Buying your way out of it is exactly the mindset of a betabuxxer, its not coping its literal ascension, just like a p2w game. And not to mention if fucking escorts brings any happiness then explain why they still try to post here and complain about their lives, wait thats right for the "blackpilled" content, but why give a fuck about the blackpill if ur having sex, if i was getting pussy i would not be on this forum. What are the odds that would change if they actually got sex for free, zero, they would either hide it or somehow justify it by coming up with excuses as to why they still should be posting on the forum. IT and the bluepillers are getting the last laugh here.

not to mention its so cucked. how can you hate women and then give them your money for a quick fuck thats retardedly unbased.
 
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Cope. You will never get to spend time with a female who wants to be with you and experience all of the small events that make life bearable. All the while chad has an endless list of them begging for him, and if he just wants to smash he has an endless list for that as well.
 
>prostitution coping

what is this forum anymore. the reason any of us are here is because we arent having sex. Buying your way out of it is exactly the mindset of a betabuxxer, its not coping its literal ascension, just like a p2w game.

Not everybody here agrees with this. Me personally, IDGAF either way, but I'm just here to say that you can in fact be consistent in your submission to society but not to suicide and that they aren't necessarily exactly the same.

I love the p2w analogy, btw. :feelskek:

@PPEcel Thoughts on paying thots to win?

And not to mention if fucking escorts brings any happiness then explain why they still try to post here and complain about their lives, wait thats right for the "blackpilled" content, but why give a fuck about the blackpill if ur having sex, if i was getting pussy i would not be on this forum. What are the odds that would change if they actually got sex for free, zero, they would either hide it or somehow justify it by coming up with excuses as to why they still should be posting on the forum. IT and the bluepillers are getting the last laugh here.

That's a good question. The answer I think they would give you is that it's a cope (yeah, I know, prostitution coping). "Escortceling", if you agree with the concept, is supposed to be only that: a cope. It's not intended to be a gateway into ascension.

not to mention its so cucked. how can you hate women and then give them your money for a quick fuck thats retardedly unbased.

I agree. Not all copes are created equal. Some are based, others are cucked. This is hotly debated here and I don't think there's general consensus either way.
 
Just curious, I'm a 20-year-old going down the same path of escortcelling -- but how do your tastes change as you get older?
 
Not interested
 
would rather fap to cute lolis than pay std ridden roast hole a bunch of money for starfish
 
would rather fap to cute lolis than pay std ridden roast hole a bunch of money for starfish

Just as they did with COVID-19 this year the threat posed by STDs has been greatly exaggerated by the powers that be either to coerce or manufacture compliance from the masses. The diseases are real, but manageable, i.e. without taking drastic action like ceasing to have fun or locking yourself up in the house indefinitely.

do you get condomless blowjobs?

That's actually far more common without paying extra. Should have specified condomless vaginal sex.

Just curious, I'm a 20-year-old going down the same path of escortcelling -- but how do your tastes change as you get older?

You start to appreciate MILFs. Just my perspective though, it's also possible you'll never like or want anything past early 20's.
 
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Just as they did with COVID-19 this year the threat posed by STDs has been greatly exaggerated by the powers that be either to coerce or manufacture compliance from the masses. The diseases are real, but manageable, i.e. without taking drastic action like ceasing to have fun or locking yourself up in the house indefinitely.
they are definitely manageable but it's not enticing
 
I'm worried I'd have a breakdown if I lost my virginity to a prostitute and felt extreme disappointment at the lack of affection.
Love is what I want, deep down, not cooming.
 
You start to appreciate MILFs. Just my perspective though, it's also possible you'll never like or want anything past early 20's.

The youngest whore I've seen was 19, and the oldest was 31. I've come to the realization that mid-20s is the sweet spot.
 

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