Do you deny the fact the Chinese people have high IQs because of culture?
Based Iqs in China weren't always high. They became high as a result of living conditions improving. This is evidence that race realism is bullshit
That wasn't the point......
Race is genetic, look what I shared
Modern Europeans Descended from Three Groups of Ancestors | HHMI
HHMI scientists have shown that previously unrecognized groups contributed to the genetic mix now present in most modern-day Europeans.www.hhmi.org
This is insane science denial here, you should be banned for blackpill denial tbh
My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity.
My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity. How does that fact that Europeans descended from the same 3 groups prove the objectivity of race? Africans and Europeans are still descended from humans way back when. And you still didn’t answer my counterpoint which was that if GENOTYPE is the basis of race as you keep insisting, then why don’t we just separate all the THOUSANDS of different genetic haplogroups into their own distinct races?That unironically is a @based_meme
And like I said here:
Is just a deconstruction of race, in which case we're all somehow the exact same despite the fact some of us have jet-black skin.
And yes, clear lines can be drawn
And jfl, he said he didn't use "whataboutisms" but clearly did here
I know you’re struggling with this so let me make it easier for you by breaking it down. There are humans on earth. Different humans can be broken down into even smaller groups based on PERCEIVED physical characteristics as well as genetic characteristics. But wait! Those groups can be broken down into to groups too! Oh wait!! Those subgroups have subgroups also? Where do we draw the line when the would thing exists as a SPECTRUM?
Your brain is incapable of thinking outside of rigid categories. Humans are the ones that organize, categorize, standardize, etc. Idk how to simplify such a basic concept any further
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Their culture was brought upon by their already high intelligence.
Bullshit. Prove to me that their DNA makes them intelligent. Is there a source that you can link? If not, your argument does not hold up.
Environments shape the people and they shape the environment. It's like a cycle.
But how does decent from just those 3 ancient populations establish an OBJECTIVE standard? Where did those 3 families come from? If you trace their lineage back far enough then you’ll see that they, of course, share common ancestry with Africans. You guys are cherry-picking extremely specific points across a vast historical timeline over which genetic changes are constantly fluctuating.
exactly. each race should be forced to mingle and stay around one another to prevent more huge fuckups like the world around us currently.
Chinese people have higher iqs than northern Europeans because of their culture and other factors. The cold climate theory is not accepted as fact, it's just a theory. If cold climates make your smarter then why did the Roman empire, which was in a Mediterranean climate, exist while Northern Europe was underdeveloped?
First of all, pleas watch your toms GrAY instead of behaving like the typical smartass black i meet online.My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity.
My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity. How does that fact that Europeans descended from the same 3 groups prove the objectivity of race? Africans and Europeans are still descended from humans way back when. And you still didn’t answer my counterpoint which was that if GENOTYPE is the basis of race as you keep insisting, then why don’t we just separate all the THOUSANDS of different genetic haplogroups into their own distinct races?
I know you’re struggling with this so let me make it easier for you by breaking it down. There are humans on earth. Different humans can be broken down into even smaller groups based on PERCEIVED physical characteristics as well as genetic characteristics. But wait! Those groups can be broken down into to groups too! Oh wait!! Those subgroups have subgroups also? Where do we draw the line when the would thing exists as a SPECTRUM?
Your brain is incapable of thinking outside of rigid categories. Humans are the ones that organize, categorize, standardize, etc. Idk how to simplify such a basic concept any further
Secondly, you PROVED my point about whataboutisms, since you took a concept and spun some whole narrative to deconstruct race and portray it as a spectrum
I know i mentioned those groups, but they all continue to many alleles, haplogroups, etc and other factors in common.
And yes, very clear divisions can be drawn based on purely defined metrics
Humans categorize stuff based on many shared traits, and ofc people with shared traits will maybe be similar
Your entire argument is just a “what about” because groups differing marginally internally is somehow a big issue for you
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Because it’s what led to Europeans today
Yeah, but they later split off and i’ve never 100% bought “muh out of africa”
i’m out rn, so i will explain later
You’re cherry-picking, and these groups existed for THOUSANDS of years
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You and me both, brother. KEK
@DarkStar and @Koomersarj doing the hard carry and tanking OP's stupidity debuff.
And you still haven't proved that Chinese DNA is better for intelligence.
Who’s specifically?
Hes talking about mine. I asked them to prove that Chinese people are smart because of their DNA and they still haven't answered the question. I'm waiting for the evidenceWho’s specifically?
Do you think "good cultures" just pop out of thin air?
It’s not race realists who came up with the idea to model modern Europeans that way. It’s population geneticists who did. They choose to model Europeans this way because it captures the major genetic shifts that shaped their gene variation. As I stated above, the mixture of Europeans has not seen substantial change since the Bronze Age. You can think of modern Europeans as having been “completed” when Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Pastoralists mixed with the Early European Farmers (who were formed when the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers interbred with the Western Hunter-Gatherers), so this comparison to “we’re all Sub-Saharan African you trace far back enough” is poor and frankly irrelevant. This form of admixture modeling also fits empirical data well, as genetic clustering methods like PCA, f-statistics, and qpAdm show that modern populations do not need continuous gene flow models and can be reasonably explained as mixtures of about three ancestral populations.
Other races can be modeled similarly. For example:
- MENA people as a mix of Natufians, Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, and Iranian Neolithic Farmers
- South Asians as a mix of Neolithic Iranians, Ancient Ancestral South Indians, and Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Proto-Indo-Europeans
No they develop over time. Having a good culture has nothing to do with genetics.
They haven't proven anything. They haven't answered my main question.
Not to take away from the subject of the exchange we were having, but this is gay af. We’re not on Reddit, you won’t get a comment taken down for typing “nigga.” You also claim to be black on your profile, so even if you subscribe to normtard morality, you shouldn’t have any qualms about using that word anyway
Based, I always dislike that type of sas from African Americans
It always rubs me wrong
Exactly, his only arguments have been "but what about" essentially, with him cherrypicking "muh thousands of haplogroups" even though most people in those populations share tons of them & only differ slightly.
Did you see the race denial here?
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What part do you mean? Ngl, I'm only here to see the circus this thread is turning into.
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Well if you scroll up yeah you can see someone basically do a whole "whataboutism" when it comes to how you define race.
Shit went down in this thread
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Doesn't mean it doesn't have truth within it.
Still colder than many places, and also North-Central Italy is very unique & distinct climate wise:
Köppen climate classification - Wikipedia
Vikings were not just plundering savages, they had quite a good amount of navigation skills, had high-trust societies, etc. same goes for Celts:
Were the Celts Just Primitive Barbarians?
Were the Celts just primitive barbarians – savages, even? That is how they are commonly viewed by many people. But is that what the facts really show?
www.thecollector.com
>be @Logic55
>constantly complain about the massive amount of race threads/race wars on the site
>end up contributing to that issue more than any other user
>constantly complain about the massive amount of race threads/race wars on the site
>end up contributing to that issue more than any other user
That being?
And no, frankly we did prove a lot here
You asked me how race is defined, well we answered it here:
Here's some more stuff:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIenDgLvF_Q
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Vx6ZfteoY&t=296s
Basically, modern science of genetics supports the concept of a "White" race, and within it are various phenotypes & other anthropological stuff which were recorded by "racial scientists" as you'd term them from back in the day.
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Dude Chinese history alone proves they are high IQ. They created gunpowder, built the great wall, were once the biggest richest economy in the world.
They turned to a shithole after centuries of war , colonialism, oppression. Only now are they rising back to where they were before
They weren't as advanced as the romans
This didn't happen because of their DNA.
Fair enough, but they weren't just mindless tribalistic barbarians running around half-naked.
Also, look at what became of Western & North & even Eastern Europe somewhat later.
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wignats and white libs are the same to me
Yeah, eventually the rest of Europe progressed but it wasnt because they lived in cold environments
Yeah, eventually the rest of Europe progressed but it wasnt because they lived in cold environments nor was it their DNA that caused them to do great things
Well, at least we gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to get through to him.
Dunning Kruger effect. You are literally part of a cult called race realism
I'm pretty sure IQ might be fixed to a certain degree , but we know some trends and patterns, are undeniable Northeast Asians/Chinese consistently score higher on IQ tests, SATs, and dominate fields requiring higher IQ. Even looking historically they were advanced in architecture, literature, math, and governance.
Meanwhile, different patterns apply elsewhere, Africans and Black Americans consistently score lower on IQ tests, Military IQ Tests, and SATs, while also being overrepresented in violent crime across the world. While Africans historically haven't accomplished as much compared to other ethnic groups, These trends repeat across multiple countries around the world. You can repeat this across different groups and their advancements overall throughout history.
@DarkStar and @GeckoBus Opinions on this below?
It's interesting even AI Can Guess peoples Race Based On X-Rays, and Researchers Don't Know How. Which suggests that race most likely exists.
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I don't think he seems to grasp that this all took place In a span of twenty thousand years. Europeans and Asians were forced to adapt to harsher environments in which survival demanded higher cognitive ability while acting as an eugenics on them because only the most capable made it through.
You could argue that events like the Black Death further refined this process, committing eugenics on Europeans once again over generations possibly contributing to increased intelligence.
Link to the study: It's, Table 8.
@DarkStar, here's something interesting he found also:
Just to clarify, I'm not a race realist or anything like that. I'm simply a blackcel who’s philosophically black-pilled, nothing more, nothing less.
If I’m mistaken about anything, just correct me.
, but we know some trends and patterns, are undeniable Northeast Asians/Chinese consistently score higher on IQ tests, SATs, and dominate fields requiring higher IQ. Even looking historically they were advanced in architecture, literature, math, and governance.- We could add the fact that Chinese (North East Asians In general) are more collectivist making them progress and recover fast. Which I think could possibly be linked to genetics.
I just think Chinese already had the genetic potential or already had a high IQ, but the environment limited them.
Btw They endured only about 130 to 140 years, not a long period of time
Meanwhile, different patterns apply elsewhere, Africans and Black Americans consistently score lower on IQ tests, Military IQ Tests, and SATs, while also being overrepresented in violent crime across the world. While Africans historically haven't accomplished as much compared to other ethnic groups, These trends repeat across multiple countries around the world. You can repeat this across different groups and their advancements overall throughout history.
We share more than 90% of our DNA with chimpanzees, that doesn't really say much tbh. Every ethnic group shares the same genes, not really a difference there despite what some stormcucks say. It's just our alleles variation, how our genes are coded, which defines our physical traits, abilities, predispositions, and so on.
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It's interesting even AI Can Guess peoples Race Based On X-Rays, and Researchers Don't Know How. Which suggests that race most likely exists.
With the AI guessing the person's race with 99 accuracy just by looking at X-rays
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Well they analyze allele frequency differences and common genetic markers across different genetic populations. By doing that they identify the genetic marker that aligns with geographical regions, and then they establish genetic marker correlation with ancestry. That's how they can point out ethnic differences.My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity. How does that fact that Europeans descended from the same 3 groups prove the objectivity of race? Africans and Europeans are still descended from humans way back when. And you still didn’t answer my counterpoint which was that if GENOTYPE is the basis of race as you keep insisting, then why don’t we just separate all the THOUSANDS of different genetic haplogroups into their own distinct races?
I know you’re struggling with this so let me make it easier for you by breaking it down. There are humans on earth. Different humans can be broken down into even smaller groups based on PERCEIVED physical characteristics as well as genetic characteristics. But wait! Those groups can be broken down into to groups too! Oh wait!! Those subgroups have subgroups also? Where do we draw the line when the would thing exists as a SPECTRUM?
Your brain is incapable of thinking outside of rigid categories. Humans are the ones that organize, categorize, standardize, etc. Idk how to simplify such a basic concept any further
I don't think he seems to grasp that this all took place In a span of twenty thousand years. Europeans and Asians were forced to adapt to harsher environments in which survival demanded higher cognitive ability while acting as an eugenics on them because only the most capable made it through.
You could argue that events like the Black Death further refined this process, committing eugenics on Europeans once again over generations possibly contributing to increased intelligence.
North East Asians In general, which include Chinese since they are North East Asians, score higher In Genetic alleles for IQ, which would explain the differences in different ethnic groups IQ and accomplishments overall
Link to the study: It's, Table 8.
- Comparison of allele frequency means for the five continental groups from the 1000 Genomes database revealed frequency differences that closely correspond too observed continent-level aggregate IQ, yielding the following pattern East Asian > European > South Asian > American(Hispanic) > African.
@DarkStar, here's something interesting he found also:
- It should be noted that all of the nine alleles are present significant frequencies (N5%) among all the five major races Sub-Saharan African, South Asian, European, East Asian, American see Table 8. Thus, the intelligence polymorphisms do not appear to be race-specific but were already present in Homo sapiens prior to the African exodus circa 60–100 Kya. This is even more remarkable, given that the GWAS samples consisted mostly of individuals of European descent and that none of the GWAS hits appears to be European-specific polymorphisms (Table8). It is thus likely that the vast majority of mutations affecting intelligence were already present in the ancestral African population and as human settled in different parts of the world, these polymorphisms were subject to directional selection pressure, which produced an overall increase in human intelligence at different rates in different geographical areas. For the same reason, if non-European intelligence increasing polymorphisms exist, these are likely to represent a minority of the additive genetic variation contributing to differences in intelligence.
Just to clarify, I'm not a race realist or anything like that. I'm simply a blackcel who’s philosophically black-pilled, nothing more, nothing less.
If I’m mistaken about anything, just correct me.
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How are the environments in Europe and Asian more harsh than in Africa. Survival in Africa required higher cognitive abilities as well.
I'm not from china so I don't care.
The notion that Africa required the same level of cognitive selection as Ice Age Europe or Asia is fundamentally flawed. Harsh environments don’t always select for IQ In the same way. Cold climates imposed different evolutionary selection pressures that demanded advanced problem-solving, long-term planning, and technological innovation for mere survival. In such an environment, failure to plan meant death.
Compared to the African environment, conditions remained largely unchanged for centuries. Unlike other regions that forced adaptation to harsh winters or scarce resources, Africa’s primary survival challenges were external (predators, disease, and human competition).
This meant that survival depended more on physical adaptability, social cohesion, and short-term problem-solving rather than long-term strategic planning compared to the winter. With Food during that time In Africa was available, and wasn't scares on resources for survival compared to modern Africa. Natural shelter in many areas, there was less evolutionary pressure to develop advanced problem-solving skills. When your environment provides everything you need, there’s little reason to innovate beyond what’s immediately necessary.
In comparison the environment during the Ice Age in Europe and Asia were harder to survive overall, far harsher than most environments humans have faced during that time period. Food was scarce, and failing to plan for the winter meant death.
Within an environment like that, you had to build better shelters, create warmer and better clothes, and constantly adapt. This environment selected for those who could strategize for long-term survival, storing food, planning migrations, and rationing resources. Innovation in tools and weapons became crucial. Social structures had to evolve, as cooperation became a matter of life and death in those extreme conditions
Different environments = Different selection pressures shaping the abilities required to survive within that environment. This can be seen across almost every species but for some reason people don't apply this to humans.
You can see these differences across different genetic populations.
- Like Asians. Living in the coldest environment during the Ice Age which than could have fostered more collectivist tendencies, while also contributing to their higher average IQs. A colder climate demands more strategic thinking, which aligns with their higher IQ. Within Asia itself, North East Asians tended to be exposed to even colder climates than their South East Asians, which would explain their IQ differences.
- Or Africans have evolved in environments where explosive physicality was a survival advantage. You can see this in their higher prevalence of certain alleles, like ACTN3, which gives them more explosiveness power. Which you can correlate with them being good at Sports and more physical tasks.
- Or what I linked above about Europeans and Asians with higher gene alleles associated with IQ. IQ is supposed to measure problem-solving ability, solving problems would have been a must have for humans in more environments like the winter.
@Logic55 Did you change you're mind, agree to disagree, have a slightly different perspective, or what?
Really nice posts, read them all, thanks! But why aren't you racist if you're literally supporting racism here? A mental block?
As to the OP - I read page 1, and the level of this forum is so hideously low that nobody said that nutrition being a thing doesn't preclude races from differing. A chronically malnourished Aryan could be dumber than a well-fed Negro, so what? Just how the medieval Swedes used to be shorter, but given enough food, they would reach their tall potential.
How is telling the truth and reality about racial differences supporting racism? Don’t tell me normies have rewritten the definition of racism to include acknowledging differences.
I’ve never supported racism, I just recognize reality. If one racial group has a lower average IQ, then that’s just what the data shows. I’m not telling anyone to be racist because of it. It’s simply a fact, just like how different ethnic groups have distinct genetic traits, unique alleles, and physical differences. No one bats an eye when we acknowledge disparities in athletic ability, speed, phenotype, or even how medications affect different populations. But the moment we apply that same logic to IQ, suddenly people want it to be off limits?
It's about the genetic potential of a population (what can be realistically reached in 99% of a given population). It doesn't prove race realism is bullshit.
Race realism is bullshit because IQs can change along with living conditions. IQs can go up or down. It's not a fixed trait.
We should just end the discussion here. This is like talking to a brick wall, we’re just going in circles and ending up right where we started.
Does not matter what we say or do, even with undeniable evidence that IQ is linked to genetics, statistics, logical explanations, and precise reasoning, it won’t change his mind. Waste of time, at best mental masturbation.
Does not matter what we say or do, even with undeniable evidence that IQ is linked to genetics, statistics, logical explanations, and precise reasoning, it won’t change his mind. Waste of time, at best mental masturbation.
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