Based Iqs in China weren't always high. They became high as a result of living conditions improving. This is evidence that race realism is bullshit

[Logic55]

I lost a few IQ points reading this thread.

Do you deny the fact the Chinese people have high IQs because of culture?

 

[BPmonk]

That wasn't the point......

Race is genetic, look what I shared

Modern Europeans Descended from Three Groups of Ancestors | HHMI

HHMI scientists have shown that previously unrecognized groups contributed to the genetic mix now present in most modern-day Europeans.

www.hhmi.org

This is insane science denial here, you should be banned for blackpill denial tbh

My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity.

That unironically is a @based_meme

And like I said here:



Is just a deconstruction of race, in which case we're all somehow the exact same despite the fact some of us have jet-black skin.

And yes, clear lines can be drawn

And jfl, he said he didn't use "whataboutisms" but clearly did here

My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity. How does that fact that Europeans descended from the same 3 groups prove the objectivity of race? Africans and Europeans are still descended from humans way back when. And you still didn’t answer my counterpoint which was that if GENOTYPE is the basis of race as you keep insisting, then why don’t we just separate all the THOUSANDS of different genetic haplogroups into their own distinct races?

I know you’re struggling with this so let me make it easier for you by breaking it down. There are humans on earth. Different humans can be broken down into even smaller groups based on PERCEIVED physical characteristics as well as genetic characteristics. But wait! Those groups can be broken down into to groups too! Oh wait!! Those subgroups have subgroups also? Where do we draw the line when the would thing exists as a SPECTRUM?

Your brain is incapable of thinking outside of rigid categories. Humans are the ones that organize, categorize, standardize, etc. Idk how to simplify such a basic concept any further

 

[Diddy]

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[Diddy]

Do you deny the fact the Chinese people have high IQs because of culture?

Their culture was brought upon by their already high intelligence.

 

[Logic55]

Their culture was brought upon by their already high intelligence.

Bullshit. Prove to me that their DNA makes them intelligent. Is there a source that you can link? If not, your argument does not hold up.

 

[Diddy]

Bullshit. Prove to me that their DNA makes them intelligent. Is there a source that you can link? If not, your argument does not hold up.

Environments shape the people and they shape the environment. It's like a cycle.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222557129_Temperature_skin_color_per_capita_income_and_IQ_An_international_perspective#:~:text=The%20colder%20the%20winter%20temperatures,IQs%20and%20low%20winter%20temperatures

The colder the winter temperatures and the more northerly the environment, the higher were the IQs that evolved.

 

[BPmonk]

Indeed. And yet

• brown bears and polar bears
• false killer whales and bottlenose dolphins
• dogs, wolves, and coyotes
• homo sapiens and other archaic hominids like erectus, denisovans, ans the african ghost ancestor

and more all considered different species yet can interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

Yes, and that’s why “muhh it’s arbitrary” is a piss-poor debunk of race. All of taxonomy can be described as arbitrary. Regarding what you said earlier in this thread about what makes a Spaniard, Englishman, and Russian the same race, they all descend primarily from the same 3 ancient populations (Western Hunter-Gatherers, Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, and Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Herders) and this mixup hasn’t changed substantially since the Bronze Age (Spaniards/Meds and Russians/EEs have MENA and East Asian contributions respectively, but in both cases said contributions account for less than 10% of autosomal DNA). They also cluster closely together on PCA charts

But how does decent from just those 3 ancient populations establish an OBJECTIVE standard? Where did those 3 families come from? If you trace their lineage back far enough then you’ll see that they, of course, share common ancestry with Africans. You guys are cherry-picking extremely specific points across a vast historical timeline over which genetic changes are constantly fluctuating.

 

[NiggerAnnihilator]

I dgaf about iq. Race mixing is evil regardless.

exactly. each race should be forced to mingle and stay around one another to prevent more huge fuckups like the world around us currently.

 

[Logic55]

Environments shape the people and they shape the environment. It's like a cycle.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222557129_Temperature_skin_color_per_capita_income_and_IQ_An_international_perspective#:~:text=The%20colder%20the%20winter%20temperatures,IQs%20and%20low%20winter%20temperatures

Chinese people have higher iqs than northern Europeans because of their culture and other factors. The cold climate theory is not accepted as fact, it's just a theory. If cold climates make your smarter then why did the Roman empire, which was in a Mediterranean climate, exist while Northern Europe was underdeveloped?

 

[DarkStar]

My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity.

My brother in Christ, respectfully, you are proving to be entirely incapable of grasping the basic concepts of subjectivity and objectivity. How does that fact that Europeans descended from the same 3 groups prove the objectivity of race? Africans and Europeans are still descended from humans way back when. And you still didn’t answer my counterpoint which was that if GENOTYPE is the basis of race as you keep insisting, then why don’t we just separate all the THOUSANDS of different genetic haplogroups into their own distinct races?

I know you’re struggling with this so let me make it easier for you by breaking it down. There are humans on earth. Different humans can be broken down into even smaller groups based on PERCEIVED physical characteristics as well as genetic characteristics. But wait! Those groups can be broken down into to groups too! Oh wait!! Those subgroups have subgroups also? Where do we draw the line when the would thing exists as a SPECTRUM?

Your brain is incapable of thinking outside of rigid categories. Humans are the ones that organize, categorize, standardize, etc. Idk how to simplify such a basic concept any further

First of all, pleas watch your toms GrAY instead of behaving like the typical smartass black i meet online.

Secondly, you PROVED my point about whataboutisms, since you took a concept and spun some whole narrative to deconstruct race and portray it as a spectrum

I know i mentioned those groups, but they all continue to many alleles, haplogroups, etc and other factors in common.

And yes, very clear divisions can be drawn based on purely defined metrics

Humans categorize stuff based on many shared traits, and ofc people with shared traits will maybe be similar

Your entire argument is just a “what about” because groups differing marginally internally is somehow a big issue for you

 

[DarkStar]

But how does decent from just those 3 ancient populations establish an OBJECTIVE standard?

Because it’s what led to Europeans today

Where did those 3 families come from? If you trace their lineage back far enough then you’ll see that they, of course, share common ancestry with Africans.

Yeah, but they later split off and i’ve never 100% bought “muh out of africa”

i’m out rn, so i will explain later

You guys are cherry-picking extremely specific points across a vast historical timeline over which genetic changes are constantly fluctuating.

You’re cherry-picking, and these groups existed for THOUSANDS of years

 

[based_meme]

I lost a few IQ points reading this thread.

You and me both, brother. KEK

@DarkStar and @Koomersarj doing the hard carry and tanking OP's stupidity debuff.

 

[Logic55]

You and me both, brother. KEK

And you still haven't proved that Chinese DNA is better for intelligence.

 

[BPmonk]

I lost a few IQ points reading this thread.

Who’s specifically?

 

[Logic55]

Who’s specifically?

Hes talking about mine. I asked them to prove that Chinese people are smart because of their DNA and they still haven't answered the question. I'm waiting for the evidence

 

[Diddy]

Chinese people have higher iqs than northern Europeans because of their culture and other factors. The cold climate theory is not accepted as fact, it's just a theory. If cold climates make your smarter then why did the Roman empire, which was in a Mediterranean climate, exist while Northern Europe was underdeveloped?

Do you think "good cultures" just pop out of thin air?

 

[Koomersarj]

But how does decent from just those 3 ancient populations establish an OBJECTIVE standard? Where did those 3 families come from? If you trace their lineage back far enough then you’ll see that they, of course, share common ancestry with Africans. You guys are cherry-picking extremely specific points across a vast historical timeline over which genetic changes are constantly fluctuating.

It’s not race realists who came up with the idea to model modern Europeans that way. It’s population geneticists who did. They choose to model Europeans this way because it captures the major genetic shifts that shaped their gene variation. As I stated above, the mixture of Europeans has not seen substantial change since the Bronze Age. You can think of modern Europeans as having been “completed” when Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Pastoralists mixed with the Early European Farmers (who were formed when the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers interbred with the Western Hunter-Gatherers), so this comparison to “we’re all Sub-Saharan African you trace far back enough” is poor and frankly irrelevant. This form of admixture modeling also fits empirical data well, as genetic clustering methods like PCA, f-statistics, and qpAdm show that modern populations do not need continuous gene flow models and can be reasonably explained as mixtures of about three ancestral populations.

Other races can be modeled similarly. For example:

• MENA people as a mix of Natufians, Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, and Iranian Neolithic Farmers
• South Asians as a mix of Neolithic Iranians, Ancient Ancestral South Indians, and Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Proto-Indo-Europeans

 

[Logic55]

Do you think "good cultures" just pop out of thin air?

No they develop over time. Having a good culture has nothing to do with genetics.

 

[Logic55]

You and me both, brother. KEK

@DarkStar and @Koomersarj doing the hard carry and tanking OP's stupidity debuff.

They haven't proven anything. They haven't answered my main question.

 

[decafincel]

This is a dumb argument.
Even taking it at face value just because environment matters doesn't negate race.

 

[Koomersarj]

My brother in Christ, respectfully,

My brother in Christ, respectfully,

Not to take away from the subject of the exchange we were having, but this is gay af. We’re not on Reddit, you won’t get a comment taken down for typing “nigga.” You also claim to be black on your profile, so even if you subscribe to normtard morality, you shouldn’t have any qualms about using that word anyway

 

[DarkStar]

Not to take away from the subject of the exchange we were having, but this is gay af. We’re not on Reddit, you won’t get a comment taken down for typing “nigga.” You also claim to be black on your profile, so even if you subscribe to normtard morality, you shouldn’t have any qualms about using that word anyway

Based, I always dislike that type of sas from African Americans

It always rubs me wrong

It’s not race realists who came up with the idea to model modern Europeans that way. It’s population geneticists who did. They choose to model Europeans this way because it captures the major genetic shifts that shaped their gene variation. As I stated above, the mixture of Europeans has not seen substantial change since the Bronze Age. You can think of modern Europeans as having been “completed” when Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Pastoralists mixed with the Early European Farmers (who were formed when the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers interbred with the Western Hunter-Gatherers), so this comparison to “we’re all Sub-Saharan African you trace far back enough” is poor and frankly irrelevant. This form of admixture modeling also fits empirical data well, as genetic clustering methods like PCA, f-statistics, and qpAdm show that modern populations do not need continuous gene flow models and can be reasonably explained as mixtures of about three ancestral populations.

Other races can be modeled similarly. For example:

• MENA people as a mix of Natufians, Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, and Iranian Neolithic Farmers
• South Asians as a mix of Neolithic Iranians, Ancient Ancestral South Indians, and Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Proto-Indo-Europeans

Exactly, his only arguments have been "but what about" essentially, with him cherrypicking "muh thousands of haplogroups" even though most people in those populations share tons of them & only differ slightly.

You and me both, brother. KEK

@DarkStar and @Koomersarj doing the hard carry and tanking OP's stupidity debuff.

Did you see the race denial here?

 

[based_meme]

Did you see the race denial here?

What part do you mean? Ngl, I'm only here to see the circus this thread is turning into.

 

[DarkStar]

What part do you mean? Ngl, I'm only here to see the circus this thread is turning into.

Well if you scroll up yeah you can see someone basically do a whole "whataboutism" when it comes to how you define race.

 

[DarkStar]

Shit went down in this thread

jfl

 

[DarkStar]

The cold climate theory is not accepted as fact,

Doesn't mean it doesn't have truth within it.

it's just a theory. If cold climates make your smarter then why did the Roman empire,

Still colder than many places, and also North-Central Italy is very unique & distinct climate wise:

Köppen climate classification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

while Northern Europe was underdeveloped?

Vikings were not just plundering savages, they had quite a good amount of navigation skills, had high-trust societies, etc. same goes for Celts:

Were the Celts Just Primitive Barbarians?

Were the Celts just primitive barbarians – savages, even? That is how they are commonly viewed by many people. But is that what the facts really show?

www.thecollector.com

 

[weaselbomber]

>be @Logic55
>constantly complain about the massive amount of race threads/race wars on the site
>end up contributing to that issue more than any other user

 

[DarkStar]

They haven't proven anything. They haven't answered my main question.

That being?

And no, frankly we did prove a lot here

You asked me how race is defined, well we answered it here:

It’s not race realists who came up with the idea to model modern Europeans that way. It’s population geneticists who did. They choose to model Europeans this way because it captures the major genetic shifts that shaped their gene variation. As I stated above, the mixture of Europeans has not seen substantial change since the Bronze Age. You can think of modern Europeans as having been “completed” when Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Pastoralists mixed with the Early European Farmers (who were formed when the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers interbred with the Western Hunter-Gatherers), so this comparison to “we’re all Sub-Saharan African you trace far back enough” is poor and frankly irrelevant. This form of admixture modeling also fits empirical data well, as genetic clustering methods like PCA, f-statistics, and qpAdm show that modern populations do not need continuous gene flow models and can be reasonably explained as mixtures of about three ancestral populations.

Other races can be modeled similarly. For example:

• MENA people as a mix of Natufians, Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, and Iranian Neolithic Farmers
• South Asians as a mix of Neolithic Iranians, Ancient Ancestral South Indians, and Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Proto-Indo-Europeans

Here's some more stuff:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIenDgLvF_Q



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Vx6ZfteoY&t=296s


Basically, modern science of genetics supports the concept of a "White" race, and within it are various phenotypes & other anthropological stuff which were recorded by "racial scientists" as you'd term them from back in the day.

 

[DarkStar]

>be @Logic55
>constantly complain about the massive amount of race threads/race wars on the site
>end up contributing to that issue more than any other user

.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Iqs in China were not high before the advent of the 21st century. As economic reforms were out into place by the CCP, poverty was reduced, nutrition was improved. Simply, living conditions got better from a series of reforms. After learning more about the history of China, It made me think of how wrong race realists are when it comes to IQ. Did Chinese DNA evolve during this time which caused them to become smartest people on earth? no, it's because is environmental factors like the ones i stated above. Of course, race copers will ignore these simple facts and resort to name calling like children with temper tantrums instead of making a valid argument. What a bunch of fools. The Dunning Kruger effect is a real thing. Lastly, I don't need to cite sources because you can easily find them on Google. I'm going to be honest, those who deny these truths are coping so hard that they don't even know it.

Dude Chinese history alone proves they are high IQ. They created gunpowder, built the great wall, were once the biggest richest economy in the world.


They turned to a shithole after centuries of war , colonialism, oppression. Only now are they rising back to where they were before

 

[Logic55]

Vikings were not just plundering savages, they had quite a good amount of navigation skills, had high-trust societies, etc. same goes for Celts:

They weren't as advanced as the romans

 

[Logic55]

Dude Chinese history alone proves they are high IQ. They created gunpowder, built the great wall, were once the biggest richest economy in the world.


They turned to a shithole after centuries of war , colonialism, oppression. Only now are they rising back to where they were before

This didn't happen because of their DNA.

 

[DarkStar]

They weren't as advanced as the romans

Fair enough, but they weren't just mindless tribalistic barbarians running around half-naked.

Also, look at what became of Western & North & even Eastern Europe somewhat later.

 

[underballer]

wignats and white libs are the same to me

 

[Logic55]

Fair enough, but they weren't just mindless tribalistic barbarians running around half-naked.

Also, look at what became of Western & North & even Eastern Europe somewhat later.

Yeah, eventually the rest of Europe progressed but it wasnt because they lived in cold environments

 

[Logic55]

Fair enough, but they weren't just mindless tribalistic barbarians running around half-naked.

Also, look at what became of Western & North & even Eastern Europe somewhat later.

Yeah, eventually the rest of Europe progressed but it wasnt because they lived in cold environments nor was it their DNA that caused them to do great things

That being?

And no, frankly we did prove a lot here

You asked me how race is defined, well we answered it here:


Here's some more stuff:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIenDgLvF_Q



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Vx6ZfteoY&t=296s


Basically, modern science of genetics supports the concept of a "White" race, and within it are various phenotypes & other anthropological stuff which were recorded by "racial scientists" as you'd term them from back in the day.

 

[wereq]

Well, you see, the thing is, OP is retarded.

Well, at least we gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to get through to him.

 

[Logic55]

Well, at least we gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to get through to him.

Dunning Kruger effect. You are literally part of a cult called race realism