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Serious IQ is Overrated

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I am not a psycologistcel but I am more than happy to know what you think and hear your criticism. Enjoy.

I highly recommend reading this glorious article about the flaws of the IQ test (Thanks to @ShadowTheEdgehog).


The IQ test as we know it today has its root in a test that was designed for the specific needs of the US military: (1) it had to filter too dumb people, and (2) it had to be a cheap and standardized test. Generally, the today's versions of the IQ test are quite good in filtering dumb asses but quite controversial in predicting geniuses.

First, I remember Jordan Peterson (the cuck) talking about IQ and how it originated. The IQ test was meant to disqualify people that are so retarded that they cannot handle even the basic work and NOT to identify geniuses.

Second, the test was designed for the needs of the army. It had to be standardized and cheap so the military could test millions of people fast and with low costs. They did not aim for individual-level accuracy but too big number accuracy. This is why the test is not sensitive at the tails. Namely, there is no much difference between 130 IQ and 200 IQ but there is a difference between 100 and 80 IQ. It is a matter of the number of SDs from the norm and not the number itself.

And indeed, the IQ test is a great and cheap measure to filter dumb asses but apparently not more. There is also a great amount of controversy about what constitutes the G-factor (intelligence). For more info and methodology:






In addition, and most importantly, IQ tests don't measure utterly important things for success like:
Creativity - which might be not less important than intelligence in research (recall what Einstein said about imagination).
Tacit knowledge - namely knowledge and skills that are accumulated with time and because a person started doing something from early childhood and had great mentors who are quite often his own parents.
Motivation - Why doing shit if you're going to be derived from it by taxes or a foid that would cuck you?
Discipline - coupled with motivation is a key factor in military success as well as in education. If you cannot understand stuff from first reading (low IQ) you can read it 10 times and compensate for your low IQ with high motivation. While if you are lazy high IQ would help you bcz you would not open the book.
Probably there are many more important factors that I am too low IQ to know.

Everyone who thinks that IQ, or even real intelligence, is a precondition of success in life is a bluepilled soy-poisoned normie that should be sent to GULAG for reeducation and blackpilling. The wealth of your parents, your social class, and looks are the main factors in your economic success while factors like tolerance, conscientiousness, intelligence, and luck can barely compensate for bad initial endowments in biology and social status.

How does all of it relate to incels?
Quite often I see incels treat themselves in a derogatory and self-defeating manner by claiming that they are low-IQ.
I believe only a few of you have ever taken a good IQ exam. In fact, there only two good exams are the Stanford–Binet and Cattell exams and not the stuff on the net.
Seconds, and most importantly, the majority of incels have never had the chance to accumulate IQ. Namely, because of bullying, sleep deprivation, malnutrition, too much LDARing, etc.. you have lost your precious intelligence even if you had it.

So PLEASE don't LDAR - don't ruin the little that you already have!

Love you brothers!
 
if a thing won't get you pussy it's useless (C) Einstein
 
BrendioEEE is genius no doubt
 
really good post
high IQ btw
:feelskek:
but srsly... it was a good read.
 
A very good post, I always found it hard to believe that the mental capacity of men who possess the potential to create such diverse works of science and art could be measured with a mere number
Even people who claim that they are low IQ here might possess certain talents which can't be measured with numbers directly
I believe there is no universal mental superiority, at least among humans, even the most unlikely person could shine if circumstances are right, as each life experience equips one with unique sets of mental tools
 
I agree the tests are flawed and questionable and emotional intelligence and other practical skills are more important in life. I would gladly give up 15 IQ points(even though I don't have much) for an extroverted personality and good dopamine reward cycle inside my brain. It is better to have just slightly above average intelligence than genius level intelligence because I have read that your communication with other people gets impaired when there is a huge IQ difference between you and them(Successful leaders don't tend to be too smart). Anyway as Hawkins said people who boast about IQ are losers.
So PLEASE don't LDAR - don't ruin the little that you already have!
Now that's the hard part. :feelsbadman: At this point every ambition feels pointless? What is the point of achieving things if I am going to be a ugly undesired loner anyway?
 
Great post. IQ tests are really flawed, even as a concept, and I think they are not able to measure one's real capabilities. They just measure your 'ability' to solve specific types of tests and you can do better on those by just solving a larger quantity of them. It is like (or can become) a mechanical task in a sense.
 
I agree the tests are flawed and questionable and emotional intelligence and other practical skills are more important in life. I would gladly give up 15 IQ points(even though I don't have much) for an extroverted personality and good dopamine reward cycle inside my brain. It is better to have just slightly above average intelligence than genius level intelligence because I have read that your communication with other people gets impaired when there is a huge IQ difference between you and them(Successful leaders don't tend to be too smart). Anyway as Hawkins said people who boast about IQ are losers.

Now that's the hard part. :feelsbadman: At this point every ambition feels pointless? What is the point of achieving things if I am going to be a ugly undesired loner anyway?
IDK. But perhaps the truth is that there is no point. Just don't LDAR in order to preserve what you already have and not lose it. Dont LDAR for the sake of preserving and not gaining.
It is hard. I don't know.
Great post. IQ tests are really flawed, even as a concept, and I think they are not able to measure one's real capabilities. They just measure your 'ability' to solve specific types of tests and you can do better on those by just solving a larger quantity of them. It is like (or can become) a mechanical task in a sense.
TRUE.
A very good post, I always found it hard to believe that the mental capacity of men who possess the potential to create such diverse works of science and art could be measured with a mere number
Even people who claim that they are low IQ here might possess certain talents which can't be measured with numbers directly
I believe there is no universal mental superiority, at least among humans, even the most unlikely person could shine if circumstances are right, as each life experience equips one with unique sets of mental tools
Exactly. Talent is hard work and favorable circumstances coupled with a good endowment.
 
I think IQ is cope for a completely different reason. It's because only looks or absurd amounts of money matters in predicting quality of life. IQ can help in gaining money, but not nearly as much as luck or inheritance.
 
I think IQ is cope for a completely different reason. It's because only looks or absurd amounts of money matters in predicting quality of life. IQ can help in gaining money, but not nearly as much as luck or inheritance.
Yes, I mentioned this.
 
I’m high IQ
 
I mean it's still a good measuring of your general abilities but it doesn't determine your whole life and much less your sexual success
 
IQ is cope

I'd rather be a dumb Chad getting tons of sex
 
I am not a psycologistcel but I am more than happy to know what you think and hear your criticism. Enjoy.

I highly recommend reading this glorious article about the flaws of the IQ test (Thanks to @ShadowTheEdgehog).


The IQ test as we know it today has its root in a test that was designed for the specific needs of the US military: (1) it had to filter too dumb people, and (2) it had to be a cheap and standardized test. Generally, the today's versions of the IQ test are quite good in filtering dumb asses but quite controversial in predicting geniuses.

First, I remember Jordan Peterson (the cuck) talking about IQ and how it originated. The IQ test was meant to disqualify people that are so retarded that they cannot handle even the basic work and NOT to identify geniuses.

Second, the test was designed for the needs of the army. It had to be standardized and cheap so the military could test millions of people fast and with low costs. They did not aim for individual-level accuracy but too big number accuracy. This is why the test is not sensitive at the tails. Namely, there is no much difference between 130 IQ and 200 IQ but there is a difference between 100 and 80 IQ. It is a matter of the number of SDs from the norm and not the number itself.

And indeed, the IQ test is a great and cheap measure to filter dumb asses but apparently not more. There is also a great amount of controversy about what constitutes the G-factor (intelligence). For more info and methodology:






In addition, and most importantly, IQ tests don't measure utterly important things for success like:
Creativity - which might be not less important than intelligence in research (recall what Einstein said about imagination).
Tacit knowledge - namely knowledge and skills that are accumulated with time and because a person started doing something from early childhood and had great mentors who are quite often his own parents.
Motivation - Why doing shit if you're going to be derived from it by taxes or a foid that would cuck you?
Discipline - coupled with motivation is a key factor in military success as well as in education. If you cannot understand stuff from first reading (low IQ) you can read it 10 times and compensate for your low IQ with high motivation. While if you are lazy high IQ would help you bcz you would not open the book.
Probably there are many more important factors that I am too low IQ to know.

Everyone who thinks that IQ, or even real intelligence, is a precondition of success in life is a bluepilled soy-poisoned normie that should be sent to GULAG for reeducation and blackpilling. The wealth of your parents, your social class, and looks are the main factors in your economic success while factors like tolerance, conscientiousness, intelligence, and luck can barely compensate for bad initial endowments in biology and social status.

How does all of it relate to incels?
Quite often I see incels treat themselves in a derogatory and self-defeating manner by claiming that they are low-IQ.
I believe only a few of you have ever taken a good IQ exam. In fact, there only two good exams are the Stanford–Binet and Cattell exams and not the stuff on the net.
Seconds, and most importantly, the majority of incels have never had the chance to accumulate IQ. Namely, because of bullying, sleep deprivation, malnutrition, too much LDARing, etc.. you have lost your precious intelligence even if you had it.

So PLEASE don't LDAR - don't ruin the little that you already have!

Love you brothers!

Thank you brother. I'm skipping online classes to sleepm.
 
@MENSA_IQcel thoughts?
 
blah blah
In this thread: no one who understands the concept intelligence nor its assessment all applauding a Jew (OP) who's quoting some low IQ ethnic's COPING and laughable "dismissal" of psychometrics. The absolute state of .co, fucking clown world shit
 
IQ is really more about pattern recognition and shit than your overall "intelligence". I took an IQ test once and got 125, though to be fair it was not a very reliable test, it was some shitty free one that my friend asked me to take.
 
In this thread: no one who understands the concept intelligence nor its assessment all applauding a Jew (OP) who's quoting some low IQ ethnic's COPING and laughable "dismissal" of psychometrics. The absolute state of .co, fucking clown world shit
based tbh
 
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@DENSA_IQcel @muharremabi thoughts?

Personally i disagree. When I was in school and college, i would study for hours daily and still be mogged by Chad sex havers and foids GPA wise.
 
@DENSA_IQcel @muharremabi thoughts?

Personally i disagree. When I was in school and college, i would study for hours daily and still be mogged by Chad sex havers and foids GPA wise.
Were these exams standardized or dependent on the subjective measure of the prof? It might be bcz better-looking people will tend to get higher grades from cucked professors. I think this is especially true in the uni - even utterly dumb foids can pass with zero learning if the prof likes them. But it is harder, impossible, to cheat standardized tests with looks
 
My intelligence went to waste for lack of consistency. If i had taken a subject and mastered it i would have a place in the world of science already. At least that's how i evaluate my situation.
 
Were these exams standardized or dependent on the subjective measure of the prof? It might be bcz better-looking people will tend to get higher grades from cucked professors. I think this is especially true in the uni - even utterly dumb foids can pass with zero learning if the prof likes them. But it is harder, impossible, to cheat standardized tests with looks
No the classes with least objective grading systems were ones i did worse. Likely not coincidence
 
iq is worthless if u dont utilize it to master something
 
@DENSA_IQcel @muharremabi thoughts?

Personally i disagree. When I was in school and college, i would study for hours daily and still be mogged by Chad sex havers and foids GPA wise.
Having a high IQ level is crucial if you wish to pursue any meaningful avenues of higher education like STEM or philosophy. I envy highIQ-cels. Even though normalfaggots and Chads may mog them to oblivion in terms of sexual attractiveness, they at least can still rely on their great minds to seek a greater form of existence. I've always desired to be an engineer or an architect of some sort, but I simply lack the intellect necessary to perform the work.
 
Not reading or watching any of that but the fact remains that IQ is the most replicated and most predictively valuable measure in all of psychology. All anti-IQ stuff is either nervousness about racial disparities or other pet issues.
iq is worthless if u dont utilize it to master something
People with higher IQs tend to get a stay married more often, be victimized by crime less often, live longer, abuse their children and spouses less, and be happier.

IQ is relevant at practically all domains of human behavior at the individual and social level.
 
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Not reading or watching any of that but the fact remains that IQ is the most replicated and most predictively valuable measure in all of psychology. All anti-IQ stuff is either nervousness about racial disparities or other pet issues.

People with higher IQs tend to get a stay married more often, be victimized by crime less often, live longer, abuse their children and spouses less, and be happier.

IQ is relevant at practically all domains of human behavior at the individual and social level.
It is a quite good predictor of successes in complex jobs. This graph is from the sandcel that wrote the article. Note the very bottom categories: doctors and profs.
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Clearly most of what I wrote in the original post is an utter BS and low-IQ COPE.
I am sorry for that :feelsrope: . Hope you will enjoy my other posts.
@MENSA_IQcel @Transcended Trucel @ShadowTheEdgehog @randomguy1235
 
I believe IQ is real but grossly over exaggerated. For example if you want to become a world leading scientist, you just need to be above average, that's enough, certainly NOT 180IQ genius.
Most famous scientists are actually just above average intelligence with extraordinary grit, passion and hard workk
 
I believe IQ is real but grossly over exaggerated. For example if you want to become a world leading scientist, you just need to be above average, that's enough, certainly NOT 180IQ genius.
Most famous scientists are actually just above average intelligence with extraordinary grit, passion and hard workk
True plus extraordinary network abilities.
 
True plus extraordinary network abilities.

Yes, plus choosing the right field, choosing the right mentors and advisors, collaborating with right people and producing a result with coincidentally connects several other related fields. It's all a combination of many many variables.
Simply accounting all these variables on IQ I extremely STUPID.
Also don't forget being born on a right place at the right time. Being born in a rich country with parents that push you towards academics and several other factors.
Also don't forget your experiences while growing up which influences your adulthood. Many many many factors
 
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Yes, plus choosing the right field, choosing the right mentors and advisors, collaborating with right people and producing a result with coincidentally connects several other related fields. It's all a combination of many many variables.
Simply accounting all these variables on IQ I extremely STUPID.
Also don't forget being born on a right place at the right time. Being born in a rich country with parents that push you towards academics and several other factors.
Also don't forget your experiences while growing up which influences your adulthood. Many many many factors
True
Its over for non*everything you wrote*cels
 
It is a quite good predictor of successes in complex jobs. This graph is from the sandcel that wrote the article. Note the very bottom categories: doctors and profs.
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Clearly most of what I wrote in the original post is an utter BS and low-IQ COPE.
I am sorry for that :feelsrope: . Hope you will enjoy my other posts.
@MENSA_IQcel @Transcended Trucel @ShadowTheEdgehog @randomguy1235
If you're not trolling then I genuinely commend you for your intellectual honesty. No problems bro :feelsokman:
 
If you're not trolling then I genuinely commend you for your intellectual honesty. No problems bro :feelsokman:
No. I am not rolling. As you can see, and i encourage you to check it, i put a lot of effort into my threads.
Cheers.
 
Muh high IQ led me to build a successful career and therefore cope in other aspects of life but nah it's overrated brah.
 
What is it with you and sucking brendio's dick so damn much?
He got wife while being poor, like real honorable man, just by his beauty, inteligence, and glory
 
I've always desired to be an engineer or an architect of some sort, but I simply lack the intellect necessary to perform the work.

Have you tried and failed or are you simply talking as a defeatist?
 
You're low IQ for posting a Todd Grande video. He's a cuck who wants us to bow down and submit to feminism and chads.
 
He got wife while being poor, like real honorable man, just by his beauty, inteligence, and glory

Imagine worshipping a fakecel faggot who helped a foid infiltrate the forum.
 
Imagine worshipping a fakecel faggot who helped a foid infiltrate the forum.
STUPID foid infiltration part is really dishonor, and deserved punishment, but not so big, as he is honorable man, not betabuxxer simp
 
STUPID foid infiltration part is really dishonor, and deserved punishment, but not so big, as he is honorable man, not betabuxxer simp

Have you built a brendio shrine with candles, beads, and prayer hyms in the background?
 

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