Incel mass shootings: good or bad?

[Iamnothere000]

…in before glownigger thread…

I don’t care if you find ER´s personally despicable (you’re a cuck if you do btw), but do you think Incel mass shootings are beneficial or harmful to the Incel cause?

(Incel cause: blackpilling the masses + motivating society to offer REAL solutions to our plight + making foids seethe)

I obviously don’t condone violence of any kind. (Mass-)murder is always wrong and such individuals are rightfully despised by everyone (like Che Guevara, Assata Shakur or Vlad Țepeș for example).

Here are the positive and negative effects for the cause (in my pov):

Positive:

-spreading the concept of “Inceldom” and “Blackpill” to the masses
-forcing society (through fear) to no longer ignore our problems and develop solutions (of questionable effectiveness)
-hoes mad


Negative:

-making people fear/hate Incels
-increased monitoring and censoring of Incel spaces
-(presumably) innocent people die

 

[rope2cope]

I don't really understand what incels hope to accomplish when they decide to give up and go ER, sure maybe it'll spread some light on an Incels struggle but the "solution" will be to ban every community we have and then put us on a watch list.

In the UK we have some cuck organization called "prevent" that's setup to deradicalize potential moslemcels from Jihadmaxxing or Natsoccels from Brenton Tarrantmaxxing but it won't be long before they include Incels.

What's the cure tho? Psych meds? Being sat in a classroom and berated by a fat Lesbian?

The only "good" thing that comes out of going ER is well... "the day of retribution" where you decide to check out of life and get revenge against the cruel world so to speak.

Obviously if you fail to an hero then you'll just get locked up for life or the death penalty or maybe thrown into a mental hospital for the rest of your life but it doesn't achieve nothing.

Call me a bluepilled cuck for saying that going ER doesn't help the Incel cause nor does it actually do anything positive.

ngl I do find them funny tho

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

mixed on 1 side its super funny to be classed as a terrorist and hoes mad extra but if more attacks continue all our sites will prob get shut down and i might 2 to jail for associating myself with terrorists or somefin

pretty much this

 

[Kamikaze]

I need a heavy xanax prescription.

 

[IengZengCel]

WhERe's the option "Yes, I'm good boy (that's why I sacrifice myself fighting for my brocels' cause)"?

-(presumably) innocent people die

They don't care about our problems, some even bully, ridicule and despise us, so why should we care about these soulless NPCs' pathetic lives?
Btw nobody is actually innocent Humans are definitely too disgusting, wretched and depraved creatures to be called "innocent"

 

[Deleted member 35725]

ERs are positive only if they publish well-written manifestos like the original ER did. If you can't be bothered to sit down and explain your reasoning before going all in, you may as well not go all in, as most people will not be able to actually grasp why you did the thing you did. Cases in point are Cho and Minassian and JD, none of whom published a legitimate manifesto akin to "My Twisted World" explaining in vivid detail over many pages why they are doing it, and therefore they have been quickly forgotten, leaving no intellectual imprint on society.

Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.

If you're intelligent enough to plan a mass casualty event, like Anders Breivik, you should be intelligent enough to explain in writing what you are doing and why you are doing it, so that afterwards people will be able to get into your mind and empathize with your plight. Lazy killers are the worst, they are literally noise on everyone's radar. Don't be lazy.

 

[your personality]

ERs are positive only if they publish well-written manifestos like the original ER did. If you can't be bothered to sit down and explain your reasoning before going all in, you may as well not go all in, as most people will not be able to actually grasp why you did the thing you did. Cases in point are Cho and Minassian and JD, none of whom published a legitimate manifesto akin to "My Twisted World" explaining in vivid detail over many pages why they are doing it, and therefore they have been quickly forgotten, leaving no intellectual imprint on society.

Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.
Do not go ER unless you publish a manifesto.

If you're intelligent enough to plan a mass casualty event, like Anders Breivik, you should be intelligent enough to explain in writing what you are doing and why you are doing it, so that afterwards people will be able to get into your mind and empathize with your plight. Lazy killers are the worst, they are literally noise on everyone's radar. Don't be lazy.

Focusing on mainfestos and notoriety of your acts are the like being the IRL version of the cartoon villain that spends more time bragging about how they'll destroy the world and not taking enough care to destroy the world before someone can stop them
@BlkPillPres thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 35725]

Focusing on mainfestos and notoriety of your acts are the like being the IRL version of the cartoon villain that spends more time bragging about how they'll destroy the world and not taking enough care to destroy the world before someone can stop them
@BlkPillPres thoughts?

The killers who write manifestos (not just incel killers, all manifesto-writing killers) are far, far, far, far, far more influential than those who do not write manifestos. Killers who write manifestos and care for publicity also usually have higher scores than those who don't, because they are higher IQ. The only people who influence reality are those with high IQ; a low intelligence killer is as useless as a cockroach, he inflicts suffering without advancing any cause, because he is too dumb and too lazy to at least give people the most basic insight into what's going on in his mind. ER is remembered and respected because he gained publicity and reached a wide audience, and he did that through his videos and -- most importantly -- by writing "My Twisted World." If he had not done either of those things, he would not be remembered, just as the other ones are hardly remembered.

 

[OwlGod]

er is popular because he was an entertaining clown while being sufficiently edgy and relatable so others here could idolize, he wasn't influential at all, barely anyone read his entire manifesto
just see how out of reality you're, he's not even close of ted kaczynski for example (in how far his manifesto reached and its influence)

 

[your personality]

The killers who write manifestos (not just incel killers, all manifesto-writing killers) are far, far, far, far, far more influential than those who do not write manifestos. Killers who write manifestos and care for publicity also usually have higher scores than those who don't, because they are higher IQ. The only people who influence reality are those with high IQ; a low intelligence killer is as useless as a cockroach, he inflicts suffering without advancing any cause, because he is too dumb and too lazy to at least give people the most basic insight into what's going on in his mind. ER is remembered and respected because he gained publicity and reached a wide audience, and he did that through his videos and -- most importantly -- by writing "My Twisted World." If he had not done either of those things, he would not be remembered, just as the other ones are hardly remembered.

It's the act, not the meaning behind the act that matters most.

What is the lesson we've seen time and time again? Words matter less than actions. Talk is cheap. A higher K/D is way more impactful than a well written manifesto nowadays. People can dismiss manifestos as coping. They can't cope with actual results
@BlkPillPres

 

[Deleted member 31092]

I like how wikipedia is describing ER's original ER- as a "misogynistic terrorist attack"
I don't think ERs particularly help or harm the incel "community," however, I can understand being in support of ERs from a "nihilistic" or "accelerationist" point of view.

 

[IamLost]

I'm not advocating for shootings or violence but I think, in theory Incel shootings are a good thing because the only thing society truly understands is primitive violence.

"Violence, naked force has settled more issues in human history than any other factor"

 

[Deleted member 35725]

It's the act, not the meaning behind the act that matters most.

What is the lesson we've seen time and time again? Words matter less than actions. Talk is cheap. A higher K/D is way more impactful than a well written manifesto nowadays. People can dismiss manifestos as coping. They can't cope with actual results
@BlkPillPres

Bullshit.

Cho killed 33 people, with zero impact. It may as well have not happened.

ER killed 6 people, with tremendous and long-lasting impact.

Deeds are important, nobody's denying that, but in this day and age, it's not the substance that counts, but the perception.

An ideological killer wants to influence people. A terrorist wants to influence people. Body counts do not really matter, unless you get into triple digit territory, and even then, people do not have time to remember and think about all the tragedies in the world. To influence people, you need them to be exposed to you and to empathize with you. ER took care to gain exposure and to make people empathize with him. So did Anders Breivik, so did Ted Kaczynski, and so did any killer who actually influenced society, unlike these random idiots who couldn't bother to explain themselves to the world, and as such had no influence whatsoever, and may as well have not existed at all.

So the best course of action (for those so inclined) is to write a manifesto, and perhaps publish some videos, and only then to pull off whatever you intend to pull off. Kaczynski has had far more influence, despite merely killing 3 people, than e.g. George Sodini, who had a blog but did not publish a legit manifesto, and in turn, a person such as George Sodini had more influence than a great number of other killers, regardless of their high scores, who left absolutely no written texts for us to examine.

The greatest killers are never the ones who kill the most; they are always the ones that let you peer into their minds.

I've seen no evidence that killing a lot of people matters. I've seen plenty of evidence that textual production and publicity matter. The people arguing otherwise know that they themselves aren't motivated or talented enough to ever write such texts themselves, so they rationalize their sheer incompetence with "hurr durr, writing doesn't matter, just kill more people bro."

"Just kill more people bro" never works. If you're going to kill people, you should write down exactly and specifically why you are doing it, in detail, and then you may exert the influence you desire to exert.

 

[your personality]

Bullshit.

Cho killed 33 people, with zero impact. It may as well have not happened.

Cho made manifestos and even mailed the tapes to the local news.

Cho is known here and respected. Not everyone here respects ER, partly because he failed to completely get his revenge.

ER killed 6 people, with tremendous and long-lasting impact.

If Cho had did what he had done when smartphones and social media like twitter were mainstream, he'd have had more of an impact too. Twitter and smartphones were around in 2007 but not as big as now.

Deeds are important, nobody's denying that, but in this day and age, it's not the substance that counts, but the perception.

Look at how much low intelligence killers that rack up high kill scores are idolized and people have no choice but to acknowledge their actions while small time criminals that screw up or only have low kill counts and can only boast are mocked. Have you heard of the phrase "go big or go home?" It's better to rack up high kill scores to make an impact than writing a manifesto and having a low kill score. In the latter situation you just end up being a meme. A manifesto paired with a high kill count is more convincing than a high count alone, but a high count is more effective than a low count and flowery manifesto.

An ideological killer wants to influence people. A terrorist wants to influence people. Body counts do not really matter, unless you get into triple digit territory, and even then, people do not have time to remember and think about all the tragedies in the world. To influence people, you need them to be exposed to you and to empathize with you. ER took care to gain exposure and to make people empathize with him. So did Anders Breivik, so did Ted Kaczynski, and so did any killer who actually influenced society, unlike these random idiots who couldn't bother to explain themselves to the world, and as such had no influence whatsoever, and may as well have not existed at all.

So the best course of action (for those so inclined) is to write a manifesto, and perhaps publish some videos, and only then to pull off whatever you intend to pull off. Kaczynski has had far more influence, despite merely killing 3 people, than e.g. George Sodini, who had a blog but did not publish a legit manifesto, and in turn, a person such as George Sodini had more influence than a great number of other killers, regardless of their high scores, who left absolutely no written texts for us to examine.

The greatest killers are never the ones who kill the most; they are always the ones that let you peer into their minds.

Why would you want to tell society why you did it? They already know. They don't care. They find it funny that you put so much thought into it and are relieved you didn't kill more people.

 

[Cuckoja]

Small attacks on random people is pointless, im against it. We either form a terrorist group and destroy everything or we do nothing.

 

[Julaybib]

mixed on 1 side its super funny to be classed as a terrorist and hoes mad extra but if more attacks continue all our sites will prob get shut down and i might 2 to jail for associating myself with terrorists or somefin

 

[OwlGod]

there are ton of factors that will give the final result of equation of how impacting a massacre is, dumbing it down to manifesto is stupid, for example attacking a school (or highly people concentrated public spaces) will always popularize and cause mass fear/hysteria, such as due to how young the people that died/injured were, their parents grief and so on

ah lol at using ted as the mascot example of ,,manifesto" success, he had something completely different in mind about technology and societal progress and its ,,disastrous effects", it was an unicorn of an idea and he was a 1% genius, no one here, let alone anywhere else will ever write something as innovating and distinct as him lol

 

[JestER]

You are a soyboy beta nu-male cuckold if you vote 2nd option

 

[Deleted member 3385]

it doesn't matter at this point, the door is open and can never be closed.

Even if ER was the only incel to ever ER normies would have just kept with their "incels are terrorists".

in happened in 2014 and yet they still bring it up

 

[govnyaker]

mass shootings for complete psychos only, the victims are random
i said this many times - there is a peaceful way of vengeance for clown world, working men just need to simultaneously stop wageslaving for several months and economy will collapse
remember when that cargo ship got stuck in suez canal? imagine that all ships are suddenly stuck
i know this is impossible on a large scale, but small thing is absolutely possible
heard about many labor strikes going for a long time? that`s right, because most times everybody have to agree with their terms

 

[Hail The Bloatlord]

they are decent, but there's lots of space for improvement

 

[Nigger Burger]

Cho killed 33 people, with zero impact. It may as well have not happened.

the problem of sgt. cho is that many other ppl commited school shootings, so it wasn't nothing special
but if he went full rampage on a feminist rally then it would have had a huge impact

 

[BlkPillPres]

Focusing on mainfestos and notoriety of your acts are the like being the IRL version of the cartoon villain that spends more time bragging about how they'll destroy the world and not taking enough care to destroy the world before someone can stop them
@BlkPillPres thoughts?

I have to agree with @sexratiocel

If incels kill people and we don't expresssly say over and over that its because of our mistreatment by society and sexual starvation, normies will keep falling back on "we just need to start mental health programmes" or "they all need assigned therapists"

Normies are dishonest pieces of shit, they will keep denying the problem and saying its something else if we don't keep shoving it down their throat

Every mass shooting without a manifesto stating that its because of sexual starvation and that men need a sexual outlet in order to have a stable society, is a wasted mass shooting

 

[PPEcel]

I'm ambivalent about the whole thing

 

[BlkPillPres]

Bullshit.

Cho killed 33 people, with zero impact. It may as well have not happened.

ER killed 6 people, with tremendous and long-lasting impact.

Deeds are important, nobody's denying that, but in this day and age, it's not the substance that counts, but the perception.

This, I even made a thread about this very thing:
@your personality

Here's Why Elliot Rodger Is Celebrated By Incels Over Others Who More Appropriately Fit The Label

I think many people misunderstand why Elliot is celebrated, often saying he was volcel and there were better individuals that deserve "saint hood", well I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally it had to do with 3 things 1. Time - He just did his stuff in the right era, the media often...

incels.is

 

[your personality]

I have to agree with @sexratiocel

If incels kill people and we don't expresssly say over and over that its because of our mistreatment by society and sexual starvation, normies will keep falling back on "we just need to start mental health programmes" or "they all need assigned therapists"

Normies are dishonest pieces of shit, they will keep denying the problem and saying its something else if we don't keep shoving it down their throat

Every mass shooting without a manifesto stating that its because of sexual starvation and that men need a sexual outlet in order to have a stable society, is a wasted mass shooting

I see. But wouldn't it be more terrifying to them if they could only guess why it's happening instead of knowing for sure why it's happening in the perpetrator's own words? In most situations they already suspect why socially isolated ugly males would do such things but they are left clueless to the exact reason why, which adds a level of fear.

IMO going ER is an individual act of desperation. Hoping to send a message by going ER is a cope tbh

 

[BlkPillPres]

I see. But wouldn't it be more terrifying to them if they could only guess why it's happening instead of knowing for sure why it's happening in the perpetrator's own words? In most situations they already suspect why socially isolated ugly males would do such things but they are left clueless to the exact reason why, which adds a level of fear.

Random fear isn't going to convince law makers to decriminalize prostitution one day

Hoping to send a message by going ER is a cope tbh

I literally only became black pilled because of Elliot Rodger and his manifesto so its the random killings that is cope, it doesn't result in any change or spread of the black pill. Its Elliot and his manifesto that kicked this whole thing off, the biggest mistake normies made was letting his manifesto get leaked lol

If all that was released was his story and we didn't get to see any of his videos, I doubt the black pill would have spread as far as it did

Here's Why Elliot Rodger Is Celebrated By Incels Over Others Who More Appropriately Fit The Label

I think many people misunderstand why Elliot is celebrated, often saying he was volcel and there were better individuals that deserve "saint hood", well I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally it had to do with 3 things 1. Time - He just did his stuff in the right era, the media often...

incels.is

 

[_realist_]

Anyone who voted no needs to be the next victim.

 

[your personality]

Random fear isn't going to convince law makers to decriminalize prostitution one day

If they knew the exact reason why normies would rather put all incels in concentration camps then ever bend to the will of incels. Society doesn't negotiate with terrorists without a fight. A lot of incels that didn't go ER would become collateral damage and be "cracked down" on (already kind of seen by the mass bannings of tangentially related manosphere groups online tbh)

I literally only became black pilled because of Elliot Rodger and his manifesto so its the random killings that is cope, it doesn't result in any change or spread of the black pill. Its Elliot and his manifesto that kicked this whole thing off, the biggest mistake normies made was letting his manifesto get leaked lol

If all that was released was his story and we didn't get to see any of his videos, I doubt the black pill would have spread as far as it did

You need a mix then. If a motive about sexual frustration was clearly outlined every time this happened then society would rather double down on the status quo and oppress virgin males even more.

The element of surprise and being unable to fully ascertain motives is what catches them off guard. If going ER becomes standard and it becomes known that it's occurring because sexually frustrated men can't get laid, then society will just side with feminists even more and become more hostile and suspicious against virgin males.

Society as a whole sees any accommodation or negotiation with virgin males as them cucking out to their inferiors.

 

[currycel102]

No because mass shootings NEVER EVER target (((those))) actually in power responsible for all this shit.
You have guys willing to throw their lives away and commit murder, yet they will ALWAYS target innocent people at worst or just pawns to globohomo at best. They will NEVER target the politicians and judges in power.

 

[your personality]

No because mass shootings NEVER EVER target (((those))) actually in power responsible for all this shit.
You have guys willing to throw their lives away and commit murder, yet they will ALWAYS target innocent people at worst or just pawns to globohomo at best. They will NEVER target the politicians and judges in power.

By those in power do you mean the special interest SJW organizations that help push internet censorship on youtube?

BTW every time a politician or judge is targeted the prognosis for the demographic of the people that belong to the same demographic of the man that went ER becomes even worse
@PPEcel thoughts?

 

[currycel102]

By those in power do you mean the special interest SJW organizations that help push internet censorship on youtube?

BTW every time a politician or judge is targeted the prognosis for the demographic of the people that belong to the same demographic of the man that went ER becomes even worse
@PPEcel thoughts?

Politicians, judges, interest group leaders, public speakers, corporation owners, media producers, ANYONE who has ACTUAL POWER on a national level.
But nope, we just have autists just target randoms and were supposed to cheer about that? Nothing fucking changes. It doesnt achieve an outcome. ER didnt make my life any better
And i dont care about the "prognosis of incels"
Society can view us however they want to, i just want meaningful action that betters our lives. shooting random stacys is not going to better our lives.

 

[Therapywasaaste]

They make us all look bad.

 

[BlkPillPres]

If they knew the exact reason why normies would rather put all incels in concentration camps then ever bend to the will of incels.

1. If you actually believe that then you are watching too many cartoons, the real world doesn't operate like that, governments negotiate with "terrorists" all the time behind the scenes, heck there was a deal between America and the Taliban

2. There is no way to identify "incels" when every male normie is a potential incel, so there's no way to choose who to lock up, you can only lock someone up AFTER they've committed the crime

Society doesn't negotiate with terrorists without a fight.

You can't fight an enemy that is potentially every normie male, I don't think you understand how war works

Society can fight against Islamic terrorism because:
1. Its not "internal" (it comes from an external ideology)

2. You can narrow down the terrorist very easily - Islamic affiliation, goes to a mosque, has been caught communicating with suspected terrorists, has been logged as buying materials for making a bomb, etc

Every white Christian male who is simply struggling with dating (had a past sex life) or has never gotten a date before (virgin), who goes to work everyday and is a contributing member of society, IS A POTENTIAL MASS SHOOTER

THE CRITERIA IS TOO BROAD TO FIND TARGETS

This is why mass shootings keep "slipping through the cracks"

Its like going to China looking for a terrorist group and your criteria is:
Below 6ft feet, black hair, pale skin, may or may not be a virgin

Oh yeah, good luck

You think every guy who is planning a mass shooting right now is a part of this forum so they can get that little "tick" to track them

If I ever thought I would do one of those one day I'd never have joined the forum just to stay off of the radar of law enforcement. The fact that I'm here indicates that I will very likely never do a mass shooting, that's the irony of law enforcement keeping this place around, very few men would bother trying anything at this point

Society as a whole sees any accommodation or negotiation with virgin males as them cucking out to their inferiors.

I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES

 

[your personality]

Politicians, judges, interest group leaders, public speakers, corporation owners, media producers, ANYONE who has ACTUAL POWER on a national level.

They are heavily protected and have armed security. And anyone that even so much as trespasses on their property gets put in prison for decades if they aren't riddled with bullets.

But nope, we just have autists just target randoms and were supposed to cheer about that? Nothing fucking changes. It doesnt achieve an outcome. ER didnt make my life any better

tbh

And i dont care about the "prognosis of incels"
Society can view us however they want to, i just want meaningful action that betters our lives. shooting random stacys is not going to better our lives.

Sometimes you have to wonder if all the random, ineffective"stochastic" incel attacks on random civilians are fed plots to make incels look like poorly thought out loose cannons that warrant widespread censorship and persecution of virgin males.

After all, if 9/11 taught anyone anything, it's that the lives of civilians numbering as much as in the thousands are trivial as far as governments are concerned.

 

[BlkPillPres]

if it's for a cause such a legalizing prostitution or whatever is beneficial to us then either someone of us manage to enter higher powers such as politics or do something way more disastrous in some way other that killing citizens that the government doesn't care for

The funniest thing is incels think Terrorism doesn't work despite everything that is going on in Afghanistan right now

Yeah, something more disastrous would help, but attrition works too, and at some point someone is going to take things to another level, I've talked about this before, mass shootings are really just the start

@your personality

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

FOR THE MODS: No this is not a thread where I am advocating for violence so please don't misinterpret or mislabel it as such, I know you guys are currently cucked and are afraid of any bad media coverage threatening the sites possible shut down, so you are even more weary than ever these days to...

incels.is

 

[currycel102]

They are heavily protected and have armed security. And anyone that even so much as trespasses on their property gets put in prison for decades if they aren't riddled with bullets.

not as much as you'd think. of course i dont expect anyone to assassinate the literal president of the USA, but there are lots of judges and politicians who are just average people with homes and addresses.

Sometimes you have to wonder if all the random, ineffective"stochastic" incel attacks on random civilians are fed plots to make incels look like poorly thought out loose cannons that warrant widespread censorship and persecution of virgin males.

We are at this point just loose cannons. i doubt incel shootings are fed plots. hell most people ITT support attacks on random civilians.

 

[your personality]

1. If you actually believe that then you are watching too many cartoons, the real world doesn't operate like that, governments negotiate with "terrorists" all the time behind the scenes, heck there was a deal between America and the Taliban

While they negotiate with them they also try to literally kill off the most extreme elements behind the scenes too. There's a lot of double crossing involved.

2. There is no way to identify "incels" when every male normie is a potential incel, so there's no way to choose who to lock up, you can only lock someone up AFTER they've committed the crime


You can't fight an enemy that is potentially every normie male, I don't think you understand how war works

It's possible they could one day put all virgin males under restricted supervision at the very least. Single males are already treated differently in many aspects of the law and community policies including taxes and curfews

Society can fight against Islamic terrorism because:
1. Its not "internal" (it comes from an external ideology)

2. You can narrow down the terrorist very easily - Islamic affiliation, goes to a mosque, has been caught communicating with suspected terrorists, has been logged as buying materials for making a bomb, etc

Every white Christian male who is simply struggling with dating (had a past sex life) or has never gotten a date before (virgin), who goes to work everyday and is a contributing member of society, IS A POTENTIAL MASS SHOOTER

THE CRITERIA IS TOO BROAD TO FIND TARGETS

This is why mass shootings keep "slipping through the cracks"

Its like going to China looking for a terrorist group and your criteria is:
Below 6ft feet, black hair, pale skin, may or may not be a virgin

Oh yeah, good luck

Could easily happen to ethnic males, who are already profiled in many places like airports, school zones, public events, clubs @Transcended Trucel @PPEcel

You think every guy who is planning a mass shooting right now is a part of this forum so they can get that little "tick" to track them

If I ever thought I would do one of those one day I'd never have joined the forum just to stay off of the radar of law enforcement. The fact that I'm here indicates that I will very likely never do a mass shooting, that's the irony of law enforcement keeping this place around, very few men would bother trying anything at this point

Yeah it's kind of ironic. If anything being able to vent lessens the risk of ERs. From how much government is trying to push the narrative that all manosphere and incel groups are violent misogynists, it seems they want a self fulfilling prophecy and want to take away spaces for those males to vent so that those males feel cornered and forced to either go ER or rope.

 

[your personality]

The funniest thing is incels think Terrorism doesn't work despite everything that is going on in Afghanistan right now

That was after a long struggle. How many more taliban fighters were taken out by drone warfare in the mean time or assassinated through some other means?

When a major western power declares war on terrorists and vows to hunt them down it's never ending so long as that western power has military capabilities to launch such assassinations

That's why incels should hope that all major military powers (including the US, China and Russia) collapse or fall into disarray and are unable to launch sophisticated military or intelligence ops. The military industrial complex will 100% be repurposed to hunt down disgruntled males. The dhs already started trying to push that with their "lone wolf" "stochastic terrorism" narrative

@Extra-Samsaric

Yeah, something more disastrous would help, but attrition works too, and at some point someone is going to take things to another level, I've talked about this before, mass shootings are really just the start

@your personality

The Cliche Mantra "We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists" Is A Lie (Everybody Does)

FOR THE MODS: No this is not a thread where I am advocating for violence so please don't misinterpret or mislabel it as such, I know you guys are currently cucked and are afraid of any bad media coverage threatening the sites possible shut down, so you are even more weary than ever these days to...

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It's not as clearcut as negotiation. Society won't give up without a fight. While they seemingly negotiate with some marginalized groups if they are getting too much to handle, they'll still covertly murder other people in those marginalized groups to send a message that the government and special interests still have the upper hand and that the negotiation isn't a complete concession.

 

[OwlGod]

did you just bypass reply merging limited-by-time? interesting glitch

 

[BlkPillPres]

It's possible they could one day put all virgin males under restricted supervision at the very least

1. There is literally not enough time and resources to do this, I don't think you realize how ridiculous your proposition sounds

Lets also not forget that from this point forward governments are going to have to deal with a lot more Islamic terrorism as Jihadists across the world are now emboldened by the victory in Afghanistan

I think you see governments as these "super intricate" all powerful groups with unlimited resources, it doesn't work like that at all, it all costs money and it all requires (man power)

What you are talking about isn't even feasible, and that's exactly why mass shootings keep happening. Stopping this is harder than stopping the drug trade, because its easy to identify and track gangs, gang affiliations, where drugs are sold, who took over which territory, etc

However every single white/ethnic average male is his own personal "terrorist cell", you aren't looking for a group but an individual who is like a "sleeper agent" and can be activated at any day randomly


2. There's no way to track whether a male is a virgin or not unless he admits to it online

Also I lost my virginity to a prostitute, I still have the same incel beliefs, so someone can profess themselves to be a "slayer" if they wanted to even if they only fucked whores, a lot of males "fake it to make it"

 

[Linesnap99]

chaos brings order.

 

[highinhibition]

You know that if anyone would go ER here, the forum would be immediatley closed

 

[OwlGod]

You know that if anyone would go ER here, the forum would be immediatley closed

is this forum server host even situated in the US? i doubt it would be taken down this easily

 

[BlkPillPres]

You know that if anyone would go ER here, the forum would be immediatley closed

Nope, because how else would they be able to possibly track other incels to maybe prevent a future mass shooting

This forum is still around because they need it around

1. It allows law enforcement to track the general sentiment of incels as a whole as this is the main gathering point

2. It allows law enforcement to track the mental state of users by using AI to analyze their posts and posting behavior (to determine if they are going to be a possible threat in the near future)

 

[Transcended Trucel]

glownigger thread

While they negotiate with them they also try to literally kill off the most extreme elements behind the scenes too. There's a lot of double crossing involved.

It's possible they could one day put all virgin males under restricted supervision at the very least. Single males are already treated differently in many aspects of the law and community policies including taxes and curfews

Could easily happen to ethnic males, who are already profiled in many places like airports, school zones, public events, clubs @Transcended Trucel @PPEcel

Yeah it's kind of ironic. If anything being able to vent lessens the risk of ERs. From how much government is trying to push the narrative that all manosphere and incel groups are violent misogynists, it seems they want a self fulfilling prophecy and want to take away spaces for those males to vent so that those males feel cornered and forced to either go ER or rope.

I have to agree with @BlkPillPres in this issue. The government just doesn't have the resources to track in detail all ugly men or even merely ugly ethnic men.

Only thing they have going for them are their internet surveillance algorithms become more and more sophisticated by the day. But even then, I don't believe they can do much nor will do much.

As for Mass shootings, I agree with @sexratiocel if no manifesto then it's more or less pointless and non impactful, I guess the shooter gets to vent his rage but that's about it.

Personally I would never do a shooting at this point as I am too focused on the grind and don't have any motivation.

 

[OwlGod]

honestly, assessing the general persons outlook, situational context, story/background, we'll know what it means, and manifestos could come across as mental masturbating diaries where its proposals are outrightly ignored or looked down by the majority/masses
at the end of the day, how's your actions is perceived, digested, and what course/trajectory it will takes comes down to others concern, depth, and relatability
we'll receive neutralizing apathy or aggressive response no matter what

 

[Wellington]

I prefer Western countries collapse and die, rather than an incel going ER

 

[AutisticBeast]

As long as they don't kill children I don't care. If they do decide to go ER I would prefer it to be at a normie concert or something.

Bullshit.

Cho killed 33 people, with zero impact. It may as well have not happened.

ER killed 6 people, with tremendous and long-lasting impact.

Deeds are important, nobody's denying that, but in this day and age, it's not the substance that counts, but the perception.

An ideological killer wants to influence people. A terrorist wants to influence people. Body counts do not really matter, unless you get into triple digit territory, and even then, people do not have time to remember and think about all the tragedies in the world. To influence people, you need them to be exposed to you and to empathize with you. ER took care to gain exposure and to make people empathize with him. So did Anders Breivik, so did Ted Kaczynski, and so did any killer who actually influenced society, unlike these random idiots who couldn't bother to explain themselves to the world, and as such had no influence whatsoever, and may as well have not existed at all.

So the best course of action (for those so inclined) is to write a manifesto, and perhaps publish some videos, and only then to pull off whatever you intend to pull off. Kaczynski has had far more influence, despite merely killing 3 people, than e.g. George Sodini, who had a blog but did not publish a legit manifesto, and in turn, a person such as George Sodini had more influence than a great number of other killers, regardless of their high scores, who left absolutely no written texts for us to examine.

The greatest killers are never the ones who kill the most; they are always the ones that let you peer into their minds.

I've seen no evidence that killing a lot of people matters. I've seen plenty of evidence that textual production and publicity matter. The people arguing otherwise know that they themselves aren't motivated or talented enough to ever write such texts themselves, so they rationalize their sheer incompetence with "hurr durr, writing doesn't matter, just kill more people bro."

"Just kill more people bro" never works. If you're going to kill people, you should write down exactly and specifically why you are doing it, in detail, and then you may exert the influence you desire to exert.

ER is the most famous figure among incels because he was a mentalcel with average looks. He doesn't represent the repulsive looking truecels like me.

Also I wouldn't say that Cho had zero impact, I still remember it on the news almost 15 years on and I remember how relatable his problems sounded. I definitely never forgot Cho.

 

[your personality]

1. There is literally not enough time and resources to do this, I don't think you realize how ridiculous your proposition sounds

Lets also not forget that from this point forward governments are going to have to deal with a lot more Islamic terrorism as Jihadists across the world are now emboldened by the victory in Afghanistan

I think you see governments as these "super intricate" all powerful groups with unlimited resources, it doesn't work like that at all, it all costs money and it all requires (man power)

They aren't super intricate and all seeing and all powerful but they do catch a lot of people off guard with how tenacious they are in going after suspects and casting a wide net for people that upset the status quo.

What you are talking about isn't even feasible, and that's exactly why mass shootings keep happening. Stopping this is harder than stopping the drug trade, because its easy to identify and track gangs, gang affiliations, where drugs are sold, who took over which territory, etc

However every single white/ethnic average male is his own personal "terrorist cell", you aren't looking for a group but an individual who is like a "sleeper agent" and can be activated at any day randomly

A single white/ethnic average male on their own can't do a lot of damage other then a mass shooting. Which is a pinprick in the grand scheme of things.

2. There's no way to track whether a male is a virgin or not unless he admits to it online

People can tell by mannerisms, tracking the number of people that have had sex (like Australia is doing) and seeing which guy is known as a loner with no friends and low social media presence.

Also I lost my virginity to a prostitute, I still have the same incel beliefs, so someone can profess themselves to be a "slayer" if they wanted to even if they only fucked whores, a lot of males "fake it to make it"

That's a skill not every guy has. Specifically not truecels.