Ultimately they're bad because you'll just be further persecuted and the more censoring of anything related to incels. Sites like this will get nuked and any future sites from then on.
I'm unconditionally opposed to violence, so I don't like ER or any other mass shooters. I don't even pretend to like them ironically for the memes.
i’m against it, for a very very long time I thought that an incel was someone who hates women and wants to take out their hatred on women through violence that they take out on random people. it does more harm than good. it’s only going to feed people more harmful stereotypes about us. it’s not gonna shed light on shit, people are just gonna reaffirm their already hateful way of thinking to be more hateful.…in before glownigger thread…
I don’t care if you find ER´s personally despicable (you’re a cuck if you do btw), but do you think Incel mass shootings are beneficial or harmful to the Incel cause?
(Incel cause: blackpilling the masses + motivating society to offer REAL solutions to our plight + making foids seethe)
I obviously don’t condone violence of any kind. (Mass-)murder is always wrong and such individuals are rightfully despised by everyone (like Che Guevara, Assata Shakur or Vlad Țepeș for example).
Here are the positive and negative effects for the cause (in my pov):
Positive:
-spreading the concept of “Inceldom” and “Blackpill” to the masses
-forcing society (through fear) to no longer ignore our problems and develop solutions (of questionable effectiveness)
-hoes mad
Negative:
-making people fear/hate Incels
-increased monitoring and censoring of Incel spaces
-(presumably) innocent people die
I think it's a good thing
dead foids rotting = good
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Mate, in what way do they benefit us?
ERs bring negative attention towards incels, they exacerbate our suffering by ostracising us and most importantly, they end up KILLING some innocent men and women.
The men could have been incels too, so I don’t see why anyone would celebrate these events.
ERs bring negative attention towards incels, they exacerbate our suffering by ostracising us and most importantly, they end up KILLING some innocent men and women.
The men could have been incels too, so I don’t see why anyone would celebrate these events.
They make the situation worse for the ugly autistic virgin males who haven't died yet.
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You’re looking too much into it. Going ER is an emotional response and a final lash out against existence itself. When one is in that state of mind, one isn’t really thinking too clearly anymore.I don't really understand what incels hope to accomplish when they decide to give up and go ER, sure maybe it'll spread some light on an Incels struggle but the "solution" will be to ban every community we have and then put us on a watch list.
In the UK we have some cuck organization called "prevent" that's setup to deradicalize potential moslemcels from Jihadmaxxing or Natsoccels from Brenton Tarrantmaxxing but it won't be long before they include Incels.
What's the cure tho? Psych meds? Being sat in a classroom and berated by a fat Lesbian?
The only "good" thing that comes out of going ER is well... "the day of retribution" where you decide to check out of life and get revenge against the cruel world so to speak.
Obviously if you fail to an hero then you'll just get locked up for life or the death penalty or maybe thrown into a mental hospital for the rest of your life but it doesn't achieve nothing.
Call me a bluepilled cuck for saying that going ER doesn't help the Incel cause nor does it actually do anything positive.
ngl I do find them funny tho
True. They bring a logical justification for the violence that is otherwise only perceived as an emotional action. Normies would like to think “no sane person would do something like this” but well thought out Manifestos can prove that there is a good reason for violence. At this point normies will have to think about real solutions instead of declaring it a mental health issue (their default response).
Is this not very very unlikely? If it ever happens it will be at a point in the future where society is almost fallen apart anyway.
Also, for example: If 5 out of 10 workers stop wageslaving, will not the other 5 be showered with money and attention? Thereby motivating the first 5 to return to wageslaving instead of hoping that the later 5 also drop out of work?
It will not work for the same reason that communism did not work in the USA: Because every disadvantaged worker still thinks he has a chance to become successful. And if a part of the workers drop out for a few month, this chance becomes even higher for the rest.
If this is ever to work, it needs widespread class/Incel consciousness as a foundation… and ER´s are contributing to the spread of such consciousness …
The perfect ER would be one where only the bullies get targeted and the shooter somehow gets away with it (leaving the country or going into hiding) and only leaves a well written and thought out manifesto.
Jup
But they don’t guess. The immediately fall back to the default “mental health” and “groomed by hategroups” answer.
Not sure if sarcasms or not. Normies always see Incels as the worst of the worst. We are despised more than a good looking child rapist if we step even an inch out of the place that normies have ordained for us... which is at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.
I don’t know what you mean, sry.did you just bypass reply merging limited-by-time?
How can you be opposed to violence while being treated like shit for reasons outside of your control?
They benefit us by forcing society to actually think about our problems and develop solutions.
Maybe we, as a society, should really address Lookism?
Maybe online dating is really bad for social cohesion and should be limited?
Maybe we, as a society, could legalese (and fund) prostitution?
Maybe we, as a society, could create easy access to euthanasia?
Maybe we, as a society, could fund cosmetic surgery for those who really need it?
Maybe we, as a society, should stop glorifying assholes just because they are pretty and/or female?
Maybe toxic femininity is real and should be addressed in the same ways as the male counterpart?
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Long before people that killed used inceldom as an explicit justification, people always talked about how men that killed in incidents like school shootings and terrorist attacks were probably sexually frustrated. It doesn't matter what justification you give for it but writing a lengthy manifesto and carrying out such an attack is going to lose its effect after some time and they will back to those default answers anyway because no matter what they are not going to roll back the sexual revolution or its effects that gave rise to modern inceldom.
Btw the "mental health" response is far better than the response when they actually find out why the person did it. You think anyone sympathizes with men that can't get laid to the point that they'll restructure society or make things easier? Everyone here knows how much that isn't true from how society already doesn't care about most men, so why would you expect that just because you engaged in a (in the grand scheme of things) isolated murder-suicide attack that people will begin to hear and acknowledge your demands?
Completely false, at some point they will concede, especially if the death toll starts going up and men start using bombs, chemical weapons, etc. I keep telling you guys, its not going to stop at mass shootings, things are going to get much worse. At some point there will even be a guy who gets inspired by Indians and throws acid in women's faces lol
Also the manifesto doesn't have to be a lengthy life story, it could simply be a letter stating why you did it, getting straight to the point
You are confusing men with women
Women get things from society due to sympathy, because humans have evolved to care for and favor women
Women-are-wonderful effect - Wikipedia
Men get things from society due to fear, men have to make society concede to their demands, not "ask nicely" or "expect sympathy"
Nobody cares about the state of our mental health or sexual satisfaction, nobody cares about men period, but they care about their own well being
Look back in history, men only get the things they want through violent rebellion, when people fear for their lives or a societal collapse that's when men get what they want
Heck America only exists because men decided to fight and die over taxes lol, men don't get anything through sympathy
We have to use the selfishness (self interest) of society against itself in order to get what we want
And I'll say it again, the mantra of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" IS A LIE, countries do it ALL THE TIME, and as citizens we deal with it everyday. If you don't pay your taxes men with guns will come for you, imprison you, and take your property, THAT IS TERRORISM. Were all at the mercy of some form of terrorism and we concede to the demands of others everyday due to fear
We just classify these other forms of terrorism as "valid" or "justified", and we pretend like "its different", it really isn't
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Western countries will never tolerate it going that far. They will imprison and in many cases kill virgin males with little to no evidence if it does. Specifically ethnic males living in western countries that are already viewed with hostility and with whom acid attacks are more commonly associated with in people's minds.
In this day and age of advanced military power, you need overwhelming force and scope of damage. Mass shootings and acid attacks pale in comparison.
Yeah and then what changed? Military power, the ability for the status quo to preserve itself through media propaganda, shilling and co-option all advanced. Not to mention that was back when countries weren't part of a global economy. The stakes are pretty high now for countries. They won't tolerate an uprising. Remember what happened to the Jan 6 capitol protestors?
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That was back when it was easier to rebel.
Government is a protection racket yeah. Ideally the duty of the government is to enforce the nation's borders and provide for the general welfare of the people, not shake down its citizens for income taxes and social faux paus. In the absence of a government, groups of marauders and gangs would serve the same role. It's the age old debate between what level of government is necessary to safeguard the essentials of a nation without spilling over into tyranny. That threshold was passed a long time ago.
I don't disagree but the government has the monopoly on force, ability to persecute you and imprison you, ability to kill you and get away with it and access to much more powerful weaponry, surveillance and comprehensive behavioral profiles. It's tough to beat.
Before you use Afghanistan as an example: there were still a limited number of troops in Afghanistan and the US only had indirect control over what occurred in Afghanistan. It's not the same as a homegrown war in the US. For the results of how that would occur, see the Waco and Ruby Ridge ATF standoffs.
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Those individuals aren't suicidal and willing to blow their brains out after their murder spree, its easy to control someone that is afraid to die and cares about "morality". Incels that are in bloodlust mode do not give a fuck about any of that shit
Stakes don't matter, whether you can identify and control the uprising does
EVERY SINGLE AVERAGE MAN IS A POTENTIAL MASS SHOOTER (for the most part), there is no way to "screen" for this. That's the problem when you start disenfranchising a large and diverse group in your country
Were all like "sleeper agents" and they don't know which one of us is going to be activated or when, there is no way to police inceldom or men who are against hypergamy, because it affects every man, and more and more men are being affected over time. These idiots are literally fighting against human nature itself
Think about Elliot Rodger, who the hell would have expected that the son of a famous director would become a "mass shooter"? (nobody)
How about that guy who did the Plymouth shooting recently, I would never see a guy like that and expect that he'd do a mass shooting
There is no "mass shooter look"
There is no "mass shooter socioeconomic class"
If you have the desire and the will you can get your hands on a gun through illegal channels
THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO STOP THIS AND THEY KNOW IT
All they are doing is hoping they can keep most men docile and fearful enough so that it doesn't happen too often, but more and more men are coming under the influence of the black pill, more and more men are sex starved virgins in their 20's than ever before (the stats show this and its probably UNDER REPORTED)
@your personality
Let me makes this simple
You tell me how the fuck are they going to ACCURATELY screen for incel mass shooters in the coming future
Keep in mind that if they mistakenly misidentify and persecute a male who was never going to do it, THEY WOULD END UP RADICALIZING HIM, then he will spread the story online, it will go viral ("man targeted by authorities for being an unattractive loner"), AND THEN THAT WILL FURTHER RADICALIZE MORE MALES WHO NEVER THOUGHT OF THEMSELVES AS INCELS
How are they going to do it?
Not all future mass shooters are browsing this forum or posting youtube videos talking about black pill topics, some are silently in the background, wage slaving, slowly reaching their breaking point (every average man is a potential "sleeper agent" and they don't know when he will be activated)
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It's become common practice for cops to corner suspects before they can kill themselves after committing a murder spree. And the reaction of the police to the Jake Davison shooting was faster than expected. Police will just be trained to respond to the scene of the incident way faster and neutralize the shooter before the shooter can do any damage to himself or others.
The government seems to believe it has a handle on this though. That may not be true but their actions demonstrate that this is what they appear to believe.
But they know most men are passive and take the path of least resistance even if those men are suicidal or homicidal. Therefore it's still pretty easy for them to focus on immediate threats like men that start stockpiling weapons and openly expressing such thoughts and desires to hurt others, even if they know that a large population could be prone to such inclinations.
That's why they will pass stricter gun control laws and behavioral checks for guns and other weapons, making the penalties for evading this more severe. When it comes to the law there's not really a carrot and stick method, it's just the stick.
If they really want to stop the spread of the black pill, they need to restrict social media. And not just incel and manosphere groups, but all social media that talks about and reminds sexless males of what they are missing out on. That already takes out a wide swath of social media if this is implemented because social media is all about bragging about social and sexual success.
Re-education courses for chronically unemployed, single virgin males. All they would have to look at is whether a male has had any contact with the outside world and is employed and they'd be able to guess whether that male bears watching for signs of radicalization and frustration with their life.
They are willing to take that risk. And most incels that hear about such incidents still have a normie mindset and are very complacent and accepting of increasing authoritarian overreaches. All they'll do is mostly complain about it and act outraged, but in the end they'll mostly do nothing, specifically if they become convinced it's overall pointless to do anything.
They'll probably target chronically unemployed virgin males first or males working in low wage jobs in addition to people browsing "extremist" sites or talking publicly about black pill topics. Economically disenfranchised men are recognized as a potential threat.
Sry, but I have to agree with @BlkPillPres here. Society has to be educated like a spoiled child or animal: Through a combination of repeated explanation and punishment.
My hope is that it will not just be isolated in the future but a regular occurrence.
(Violence is bad btw.)
If you actually think anything like this will happen you are delusional, I know people like to always trot out that book "1984" by George Owell like were in some kind of dystopian future but you are seriously underestimating men here, maybe you are just projecting, or maybe I'm just projecting my mindset on other men, but based on my observations its only a matter of time (a decade or so) before shit really hits the fan, and no amount of re-education is going to make a difference
You are literally speaking as if you don't wake up everyday and deal with having a male libido, well if you know what its like and you've experienced this yourself, then you know that no amount of re-education is going to make a difference to men that are past their breaking point
You aren't going to give a fuck about re-education when you are sex starved and you want to kill yourself because of this
You see if the pool of men affected by hypergamy wasn't increasing I'd agree with you, but it is, and because it is it won't matter how low the rate of mass shooters is because more and more men are being added to the pool, so the rate will go up
If only 1% of sex starved virgins do a mass shooting think about what happens when its millions of men who have accepted that they are incel
Lastly, I have to say again, you are seriously underestimating men as a collective
If you genuinely believe that the government is going to start singling out unattractive men with no sex lives, and lining them up to go into re-education camps, without any social outrage, without any men rebelling, without men forming groups, without protesting, boycotting, suing the state for infringement of rights to privacy, etc
YOU ARE DELUSIONAL
You are clearly going off of memes, real life doesn't function like a "Chad VS Incel" comic lol
Muh "Chad State VS Incel Wage Slave"
Men aren't going to just peacefully line up to be persecuted, you are on drugs if you believe that, or I'll say once again, maybe you are projecting, but I believe that my "spirit" is the general spirit of average men, and men are only complacent and docile today BECAUSE THEY ALL BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE
ONCE IT FINALLY SINKS IN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE, THEY WILL REBEL (so all this "re-education" shit is actually what is going to make the men in denial finally accept the truth)
Men started groups like MRA, MGTOW, etc just because of how hypergamy was impacting their lives, but you think no rebellion is going to take place when they try to force men into "re-education camps"?
You really think any society is willing to be compared to Hitler and the Nazi's? (the ultimate insult to virtue signalers)
That's the ultimate card to throw out, and it will immediately be thrown out by men
What you are talking about is quite literally a eugenicist agenda, no government could ever do that and survive, you guys need to stop with this meme world shit, the average human male doesn't fall into some "beta" or "alpha" category where "beta" means you accept everything bad that happens to you, men period fight back when pushed too far
There's no point discussing this further, because its clear that our opinions on men are drastically different
You see the average man as someone who will take any abuse and never do anything no matter what, for me its the opposite, we would never reach a conclusion when our fundamental beliefs are that different
The men you have described in your scenario are unbelievably pathetic, I can't imagine anything you are saying happening in real life, not based on what I've observed or the men I've talked to IRL
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