FOR THE MODS: No this is not a thread where I am advocating for violence so please don't misinterpret or mislabel it as such, I know you guys are currently cucked and are afraid of any bad media coverage threatening the sites possible shut down, so you are even more weary than ever these days to censor anything that may be even remotely interpreted as "problematic", but ask yourself what is the point of an incel forum where incels cannot freely discuss incel issues, and we have to tip toe around in our own house. Is this fourm merely now just a gathering point for incels to come together to bitch and moan about how shitty our lives are, and spam low effort bait/troll threads, because that's what its seeming to be more and more everyday, that's all I ever see. Its like we can say less and less things that we used to say before without even blinking, like WE HAVE TO SELF CENSOR. (This is why threads likely should not be visible to guests to begin with, and normies should at least have to get a "zoo membership" to come watch the animals JFL, but I guess for the purposes of ad revenue and keeping the site running they are a necessary evil)
FOR REGULAR USERS: Please try and read the entire post, especially before responding to it, you won't understand the thread completely if you don't. I know a lot of you prefer the usualy low effort one line thread with an overly used meme joke - "the age pill aged me", but try your best and adapt, and read something interesting for a change, something actually relevant to our plight.
The all too famous line "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is nothing but a meme, its often repeated in all these TV shows, but there's one that I've seen that was actually honest about it, there's this TV show called Quantico about FBI agents, well there's an episode where the president of america is being held hostage by terrorists and his wife and many others are being threatened, he agreed to the demands, one of the FBI agents told him - "I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists", his response was - "Of course we do, we do it all the time".
My plans for inceldom as a "group" aren't something as simple and pointless as an "ER", that's a waste of time, a waste of our lives, and not sufficient enough a punishment for society, death is a mercy and killing so few doesn't make a dent in collective human morale. But the all too cliche argument that we should "play nice" and "tone down our rhetoric" since were already not seen in a favorable light is ridiculous, its not going to change anything, its not going to make society think any more highly of us, its especially not going to change the laws. This is why I get pissed everytime I see some BS response by a so called incel trying to tell us to "tone it down" or "if we act nicer society will listen and want to help us", it sounds so ridiculously naive, that I can't help but think they are a larping normie (or government agent) using deescalation tactics to decrease the likelihood of a possible mass shooting.
I think ER's are pointless and not effective at all, but imagine for a second if it was done in a fashion that emulated "cooperation", if one man coincidentally went ER every 2 weeks in america, explicitly stating in a manifesto that it was due to the frustration of being sexually repressed, and had prostitution been legal, he never would have done it. Imagine if this goes on and on like clockworkd for 6 months, do you think society at that point would still be able to ignore the plight of men in relation to "sexual starvation", do you think prostitution in America would remain illegal for much longer? (I doubt it, I'd bet at the end of the year prostitution would be completely legal, advocation for the legalization of it would increase within the first 3 months of this ordeal)
"We don't negotiate with terrorists" is a lie, a BS mantra emotional and illogical people fall for, BECAUSE TERRORISM IS JUST A "EUPHEMISM" FOR "LEVERAGING THREATS", and that is a norm within human societies. Everybody negotiates with forms of terrorism as a norm, we just don't apply the term to these things, but they are infact "terroristic" in nature.
Think about your taxes, don't pay them, and the government will send people with guns and combat training to force you into a jail cell, and if you offer up too much resistance you will be incapacitated or likely even killed if you escalate the scenario too much, and resist with your own weaponry. We deal with terrorism everyday in various aspects of our lives, "leveraging threats" is a normal aspect of human interaction, which is why it shocks me that people treat terrorism like its this fringe and extreme practice
(the majority of humans lack self awareness, our governments terrorize us everyday, its part of our lives).
If incels functioned with a "goal" in mind, and were organized in our efforts, then society would eventually give into our demands, especially if its something as simple as legalizing prostitution, which is already legal in some countries of the world, and its legal in some states even (Nevada)
Am I advocating that we all just go ER, no, but we need to understand that were going to have to LEVERAGE society into conceding to our demands. Whether that's through threat of physical violence, anarchy, social violence (e.g. things like the "ThotAudit"), disrupting economies, etc. These things have to be done en masse to have a significant effect.
Imagine if during the time of the ThotAudit several other different kinds of "ThotAudits" type things were taking place, and we were attacking "normie lives" at various "fronts". Now imagine if at the same time incels as a collective were demanding tangible changes as the requirement for a "cease fire" (like legalized prostitution). If we were committed and organized we could very well collapse or significantly affect the functionality of modern society to the extent that it would ruin society and make it essentially impossible to function, we could then use that as leverage to make demands.
Look at the scenario with the government shut down, and how that was leveraged to at least get to partially build a wall, we need to apply similar tactics
This thread is related to a thread I made against "pleadcels/peacecels" (which I now notice has been deleted). The point of that thread was to convey to "pleadcels/peacecels" that all your begging and pleading and playing nice will never do anything for you because our suffering benefits society as a collective, you guys are so naive that you think that we just need to convey our plight peacefully to society and then "they will understand", what you don't get is that society already does understand and THEY SIMPLY DO NOT CARE BEACUSE ONCE AGAIN - "OUR SUFFERING IS TO THEIR COLLECTIVE BENEFIT". I elaborate why inside the thread, and the jist of it is in the quote below.
The thread is gone now - https://incels.is/threads/pleadcels...-are-a-detriment-to-the-incel-movement.44735/
There however seems to be a copy on the "internet way back machine" - https://web.archive.org/web/2019010...-are-a-detriment-to-the-incel-movement.44735/
Here's the section of the thread that matters:
In order to get any changes in society were going to have to "leverage threats" to the functionality of society, almost like a "ransomware" virus, that's the only way we'll get anything we want, coming here everyday just to complain about how crappy our lives are is a joke and if that is all we are then no wonder were incels, is this really the extent of our wills, our goals, if so then why should we expect women to want us anyways, the men of the past would not stand for such marginalization.
The entire point of this thread is to discredit the illusion that if we use "terrorist like" strategies to get what we want from society they will fail, because "society doesn't negotiate with terrorism", that is a lie, absolutely false, WE ALL CONCEDE TO TERRORISM IN OUR DAILY LIVES.
Laws in of themselves are terroristic in nature and enforced in the same way, if you don't follow a law your life is threatened with violence, if we are smart about this, and were organized, we can get what we want. But if all were going to do is come here everyday and complain, joke around, post memes, and celebrate the once in a blue moon mass shooting, then nothing is ever going to change for us, and were pretty much at fault for letting it be that way.
FOR REGULAR USERS: Please try and read the entire post, especially before responding to it, you won't understand the thread completely if you don't. I know a lot of you prefer the usualy low effort one line thread with an overly used meme joke - "the age pill aged me", but try your best and adapt, and read something interesting for a change, something actually relevant to our plight.
The all too famous line "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is nothing but a meme, its often repeated in all these TV shows, but there's one that I've seen that was actually honest about it, there's this TV show called Quantico about FBI agents, well there's an episode where the president of america is being held hostage by terrorists and his wife and many others are being threatened, he agreed to the demands, one of the FBI agents told him - "I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists", his response was - "Of course we do, we do it all the time".
My plans for inceldom as a "group" aren't something as simple and pointless as an "ER", that's a waste of time, a waste of our lives, and not sufficient enough a punishment for society, death is a mercy and killing so few doesn't make a dent in collective human morale. But the all too cliche argument that we should "play nice" and "tone down our rhetoric" since were already not seen in a favorable light is ridiculous, its not going to change anything, its not going to make society think any more highly of us, its especially not going to change the laws. This is why I get pissed everytime I see some BS response by a so called incel trying to tell us to "tone it down" or "if we act nicer society will listen and want to help us", it sounds so ridiculously naive, that I can't help but think they are a larping normie (or government agent) using deescalation tactics to decrease the likelihood of a possible mass shooting.
I think ER's are pointless and not effective at all, but imagine for a second if it was done in a fashion that emulated "cooperation", if one man coincidentally went ER every 2 weeks in america, explicitly stating in a manifesto that it was due to the frustration of being sexually repressed, and had prostitution been legal, he never would have done it. Imagine if this goes on and on like clockworkd for 6 months, do you think society at that point would still be able to ignore the plight of men in relation to "sexual starvation", do you think prostitution in America would remain illegal for much longer? (I doubt it, I'd bet at the end of the year prostitution would be completely legal, advocation for the legalization of it would increase within the first 3 months of this ordeal)
"We don't negotiate with terrorists" is a lie, a BS mantra emotional and illogical people fall for, BECAUSE TERRORISM IS JUST A "EUPHEMISM" FOR "LEVERAGING THREATS", and that is a norm within human societies. Everybody negotiates with forms of terrorism as a norm, we just don't apply the term to these things, but they are infact "terroristic" in nature.
Think about your taxes, don't pay them, and the government will send people with guns and combat training to force you into a jail cell, and if you offer up too much resistance you will be incapacitated or likely even killed if you escalate the scenario too much, and resist with your own weaponry. We deal with terrorism everyday in various aspects of our lives, "leveraging threats" is a normal aspect of human interaction, which is why it shocks me that people treat terrorism like its this fringe and extreme practice
(the majority of humans lack self awareness, our governments terrorize us everyday, its part of our lives).If incels functioned with a "goal" in mind, and were organized in our efforts, then society would eventually give into our demands, especially if its something as simple as legalizing prostitution, which is already legal in some countries of the world, and its legal in some states even (Nevada)
Am I advocating that we all just go ER, no, but we need to understand that were going to have to LEVERAGE society into conceding to our demands. Whether that's through threat of physical violence, anarchy, social violence (e.g. things like the "ThotAudit"), disrupting economies, etc. These things have to be done en masse to have a significant effect.
Imagine if during the time of the ThotAudit several other different kinds of "ThotAudits" type things were taking place, and we were attacking "normie lives" at various "fronts". Now imagine if at the same time incels as a collective were demanding tangible changes as the requirement for a "cease fire" (like legalized prostitution). If we were committed and organized we could very well collapse or significantly affect the functionality of modern society to the extent that it would ruin society and make it essentially impossible to function, we could then use that as leverage to make demands.
Look at the scenario with the government shut down, and how that was leveraged to at least get to partially build a wall, we need to apply similar tactics
This thread is related to a thread I made against "pleadcels/peacecels" (which I now notice has been deleted). The point of that thread was to convey to "pleadcels/peacecels" that all your begging and pleading and playing nice will never do anything for you because our suffering benefits society as a collective, you guys are so naive that you think that we just need to convey our plight peacefully to society and then "they will understand", what you don't get is that society already does understand and THEY SIMPLY DO NOT CARE BEACUSE ONCE AGAIN - "OUR SUFFERING IS TO THEIR COLLECTIVE BENEFIT". I elaborate why inside the thread, and the jist of it is in the quote below.
The thread is gone now - https://incels.is/threads/pleadcels...-are-a-detriment-to-the-incel-movement.44735/
There however seems to be a copy on the "internet way back machine" - https://web.archive.org/web/2019010...-are-a-detriment-to-the-incel-movement.44735/
Here's the section of the thread that matters:
In order to get any changes in society were going to have to "leverage threats" to the functionality of society, almost like a "ransomware" virus, that's the only way we'll get anything we want, coming here everyday just to complain about how crappy our lives are is a joke and if that is all we are then no wonder were incels, is this really the extent of our wills, our goals, if so then why should we expect women to want us anyways, the men of the past would not stand for such marginalization.
The entire point of this thread is to discredit the illusion that if we use "terrorist like" strategies to get what we want from society they will fail, because "society doesn't negotiate with terrorism", that is a lie, absolutely false, WE ALL CONCEDE TO TERRORISM IN OUR DAILY LIVES.
Laws in of themselves are terroristic in nature and enforced in the same way, if you don't follow a law your life is threatened with violence, if we are smart about this, and were organized, we can get what we want. But if all were going to do is come here everyday and complain, joke around, post memes, and celebrate the once in a blue moon mass shooting, then nothing is ever going to change for us, and were pretty much at fault for letting it be that way.
