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In my experience, being NEET/LDAR only works until your early 30s

Getting disability. Can take up to 5 years for some people and during that time you cant work. And other stuff.
Like in Switzerland, one of the richest country in the world.
 
OP sounds like a normie who was just too laid back in his youth. No way a truecel realizes all the way in his goddam 30s that his chances of getting a family are dim. We come to that conclusion at age 13.
 
OP sounds like a normie who was just too laid back in his youth. No way a truecel realizes all the way in his goddam 30s that his chances of getting a family are dim. We come to that conclusion at age 13.

Well, I guess I'm a mentalcel. I don't look particularly bad I don't think, but I have anxiety and other problems and I have a habit of hiding away from the world, meaning I don't meet many women.
 
It works as long you get NEETbux.
No.

I'm by far the happiest I've been in my life NEETing for the last 2 years.

If only I could remove my sexual urges, I'd be glorious.
I think you were a software engineer? You could run third world provider game in Eastern Europe.

You can take fin for urges. Or just fap 2x a day.
 
I don't want to turn 30. Fuck.
OP, if you did nothing but work enough to max out your retirement fund annually, would you be happy? That's what I plan on doing, but I don't know if that'd be enough.
 
Ure right that during 20s it has been in the back of my mind that 'I have plenty of time I am only 20 something' I will still discover life. Now that Iam 30 its... 'I will be 40 in a while and when ure 40 its too late to get your life straight!'

There is no time to waste anymore.

And I dont mean just women, but getting to do the things you want to do.

That's like the only purpose of life, to settle down and reproduce.
Normie propaganda
 
What are you gonna do? Slave away your whole youth and then as you approach 30 finally get the reward that is some ugly ass roastie who rode the carousel her entire life.
 
Its true though, your only purpose is to spread your genes.
It isn't, for example there are gay animals who will spread their genes also most men in history never had children.
 
Its true though, your only purpose is to spread your genes.
There is no purpose to life.

Our urges are just an inherited attribute. We have parts of our parents DNA and share some of their attributes.

If our parents didnt want to reproduce we wouldnt be there.

Me wanting sex is just heritage. Doesnt mean its my life purpose. I also enjoy other things.
 
Being NEET/LDAR is an irrational decision largely driven by crippling major depressive disorder. Now that I have had my depression cured, I don't feel any compulsion to LDAR. I'm still a bit lazy, but I sure want to learn, to work, etc.
Most NEETs are not that way by choice. True NEET's are a small percentage of them.
 
If you’ve made 30 without having a job, you won’t find a job that can pay rent. I can assure you that

I’m an autistic Man in his mid 20’s, never did well in school. The only jobs out there are dishwashing, grocery stores, fast food, warehouses. All pay minimum wage or slightly above.

The best paying job I ever got was doing background for tv shows but it was sparse and I happened to get into a fight with a conniving bitter Filipino production assistant who hated white people. Most Filipinos do so I lost that job.

Unless you’ve got a stellar work track record plus some schooling, stay away from work unless you absolutely have to. You’ll be trapped in the rat race working simultaneously at Burger King and a supermarket barely paying the bills.
 
The problem is, the vast majority of people who NEET/LDAR KNOW they don't have the conditions to do it forever without problems. Most depend upon parents or circunstances that can change.

If you're really stable on it, that desperate feeling about the future doesn't happen. You can decide when and if to stop it at any point you want, and you don't need to wageslave, but rather do something you really want to do (can be a project, a band, voluntary work, you're not in NEED to do something for money to survive). I know a guy who is about 31, has like 6 properties in a fancy neighborhood in my city back in Brazil and earns like 6k dollars from renting them. He never worked.

I doubt he experiences the same desperation about the future if keep neeting as I do.

That being said, I throw the towel to @Fontaine that the desire to NEET/LDAR is tighly linked with depression. The thing is, most men who hit 30 without relationships, sex, romance, kids and career are depressed very likely. It's not an special condition that only affects some people.
 
If you’ve made 30 without having a job, you won’t find a job that can pay rent. I can assure you that

I’m an autistic Man in his mid 20’s, never did well in school. The only jobs out there are dishwashing, grocery stores, fast food, warehouses. All pay minimum wage or slightly above.

The best paying job I ever got was doing background for tv shows but it was sparse and I happened to get into a fight with a conniving bitter Filipino production assistant who hated white people. Most Filipinos do so I lost that job.

Unless you’ve got a stellar work track record plus some schooling, stay away from work unless you absolutely have to. You’ll be trapped in the rat race working simultaneously at Burger King and a supermarket barely paying the bills.
If you're unqualified, of course you won't get any job above minimum wage. Get a degree in something.

Then lie on your CV if you can't find an employer who forgives your past.
The problem is, the vast majority of people who NEET/LDAR KNOW they don't have the conditions to do it forever without problems. Most depend upon parents or circunstances that can change.

If you're really stable on it, that desperate feeling about the future doesn't happen. You can decide when and if to stop it at any point you want, and you don't need to wageslave, but rather do something you really want to do (can be a project, a band, voluntary work, you're not in NEED to do something for money to survive). I know a guy who is about 31, has like 6 properties in a fancy neighborhood in my city back in Brazil and earns like 6k dollars from renting them. He never worked.

I doubt he experiences the same desperation about the future if keep neeting as I do.

That being said, I throw the towel to @Fontaine that the desire to NEET/LDAR is tighly linked with depression. The thing is, most men who hit 30 without relationships, sex, romance, kids and career are depressed very likely. It's not an special condition that only affects some people.
You're right, I haven't felt any anxiety about my future since I became rich. Wealth privilege is real, those who say money doesn't matter cope a lot. I still needed the TMS to shake me out of my anxiety / depression feedback loops though.
 
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If you're unqualified, of course you won't get any job above minimum wage. Get a degree in something.

Then lie on your CV if you can't find an employer who forgives your past.

You're right, I haven't felt any anxiety about my future since I became rich. Wealth privilege is real, those who say money doesn't matter cope a lot. I still needed the TMS to shake me out of my anxiety / depression feedback loops though.
My plan to fo back to Brazil and study was thought mainly because the prospect of working for minimum wage (well, tbh, I earn a bit above it) in the factory as an isolated immigrant forever is almost just as desperation-inducing as the prospect of NEETing and ending up having problems. The desperation which led me to come here to work blue collar was disproportional because my situation in Brazil is not that bad + I'll inherit a big ass house in the future.

What you said about getting a degree and lying was gigantic lifefuel tbh, thanks.
 
What you said about getting a degree and lying was gigantic lifefuel tbh, thanks.
It's the only solution for ex-NEETs. Are you going to let society exclude you forever and negate your potential because of a few bad choices (most of them involuntary) in youth?

I have sometimes read things like "you should never lie". Bull! If lying means getting a job you're competent at and then contributing to society, it's less immoral, consequence-wise, than not lying and staying an unemployed PoS living on the dole forever.

I know a guy who got a $6000/m job in marketing by lying his way in and so far he's been very competent.

Alternatively, you could exploit the pity of employers by sob stories about mental illness or "bad choices" in youth, but this will freak out all but the most altruistic employers.

Alternatively, do microtasking / explicit freelance tasks on the internet, where things work on a basis of online evaluations rather than CV, but the pay is usually bad.

Finally, there's always the self-employed route (farming, store owner, plumber, etc). But generally it demands a starting capital.
 
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It depends on your situation; some people just suck at every job and lack marketable skills.
Yes, or have a CV full of holes that makes them suspect and unemployable. In the latter case, you should go the self-employed route or lie on your CV. It might be one of the only cases where lying is moral.
 
@Fontaine How much did you make with crypto?
 
@Fontaine How much did you make with crypto?
A solid one million bucks. Could have made 1.25 million had I sold at the very top, but it's still a lucky payout. I then proceeded to reinvest most of my fiat into crypto, unfortunately, which means my capital is now lower than one million. I still am comfortable though. I had reinvested after drops in the market, limiting the damage.
Yeah, and the problem is, even if you switch careers, most jobs require the same basic set of skills. E.g., being able to deal with others diplomatically, and stay organized, and manage time well, and keep focused on the work at hand, and exercise good judgment, and demonstrate good common sense, etc.

A lot of incompetent people can get by if they know how to fake being competent, and/or can make friends who will cover for them. E.g. a foid can get some orbiters to help her with computer stuff. But some people aren't even good at faking competence. Another problem is, if you have a habit of making enemies in the workplace, not only will those people not cover for you, they'll look for ways to get you fired.

As an example, I worked at this one place where we brought a temp on board, and the staff accountant immediately didn't like her personality, because of her obnoxious behavior (starting unnecessary conflicts over petty stuff, etc.) So when the controller asked him, "How is she doing?" he said that when he tried to explain stuff, she seemed baffled, and unable to catch on to what he was talking about. If he'd liked her, he could have said that she was picking up what he was teaching her, but maybe it was going to take awhile because our procedures were different from her previous company's, etc. Anyway, that chick got fired.

A lot of what goes into getting people to like you is management of perceptions, and there are a million different ways to fuck that up. Look at this latest thing, where Trump was questioned by the media about the U.N. General Assembly laughing at him, and he played it off by saying they were laughing WITH him. Even though it's an obvious lie, he knew better than to admit to being a laughingstock. It takes a certain amount of finesse to know how to avoid looking like a dumbass.
Extremely high IQ.

It takes only a few blunders to lose the trust and sympathy of your coworkers and boss. And the horrible thing is: it's forever! You usually don't get second chances. You never get third chances.

I also agree that appreciation of your performance and intelligence is highly subjective and depends on sympathy.

That's why the best jobs for incels / males who are low in agreeableness are solitary jobs. Doctor in a private practice is probably the ideal (if you can survive med school...)
 
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I mean, my life hasn't all been bad or purely NEET/LDAR up until this point but... it's kind of like being the mouse who didn't prepare for winter in that Aesop's fable. Now I'm running out of time and I wish I'd done more.

I'm a 20-year-old NEET, and even though I haven't been living as a NEET for nearly as long as you have, the pressures of it really does get to me sometimes. Being in near total social isolation, all day every day, is just soul-destroying... I have no idea how you managed to live that way so long, but I must say it is a thing that fascinates me; that is, the longevity of those who do live as NEETs.

If you had any advice for a younger NEET such as myself... what would you personally recommend? I'd appreciate any feedback on this.
 
I was always half NEET-ing as I never put any effort into my education. Finished uni, then fuck around for a year, then kinda work for a time, and last 2 years I am working like crazy 50-60 hours. I mean I know it's not THAT crazy, but that is crazy for me. It's good cope, I'm usually so tired I don't have time to ponder about my life.
 
That's like the only purpose of life, to settle down and reproduce.
Right, but if your a 33 year old wizard do you really have a chance?
 
NEET/LDAR is not possible my moms side family relatives are too close and will ask wtf your son is not in school? fucking kick him out on the street.
 
Right, but if your a 33 year old wizard do you really have a chance?

This is a strange forum in a way, because as I understand it I'm not allowed to say if I'm a "wizard" or not because of boasting rules.

However, that term does make it sound like quite a cool thing to be XD
NEET/LDAR is not possible my moms side family relatives are too close and will ask wtf your son is not in school? fucking kick him out on the street.

I find it bizarre how parents in most of the West (I don't know about different areas of the world as well) make their children their whole lives UNTIL they're 18 at which point their children are almost zero of their lives, lol.

What a transition!

I can't help but cynically wonder if the reason is because your children look less cute when they get older.
 
Being NEET/LDAR is an irrational decision largely driven by crippling major depressive disorder. Now that I have had my depression cured, I don't feel any compulsion to LDAR. I'm still a bit lazy, but I sure want to learn, to work, etc.
How did you cured your clínical depression ?
 

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