Another thread for me to bookmark, great effort
RageFuel I'll never understand that - what fucking compels someone to walk up to a completely uninterested woman and try to woo her?
1. ive heard the concept of teenager was invented as a psyop in the 50s and popularized through movies like "the wild one" with marlon brando
before that, there was just childhood and adulthood. In some cultures its even more extreme and only "elders" are designated as adults and everyone else is a child linguistically. Example would be that biblical story where it literally says, a bunch of boys are roasting this old prophet for being bald and god sends a she-bear to eat them. Yes it literally says "boys" but within period specific context, there was no word for "men." So the "boys" were probably grown men or even soldiers.
2. I want to introduce a concept to illustrate the arrested development you describe. I came across this first in this autistic niggas book, he calls it bubbles. Basically for autistic or other "neurodivergent" people, their mental bubble keeps expanding as they age, incoporating more and more data. But the average persons bubble has a fixed size and its basically moving. Its like the difference between a harddrive that keeps growing and growing and a hard-drive with fixed data limit. The fixed drive can only contain 1TB of data at a time, so in order to store new data it has to delete old data.
This is his explanation why people stop marturing early on, their mental bubble is fixed and static.
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holy fuck I am not alone
literally me. And then they ask you dumb shit like why dont you show emotions. Bitch after decades of social conditioning where every micro-expression is rewarded with hostility, you would also learn to be a blank faced robot.When I walk around with female social workers, people treat me so much better lmfao. Her halo is so insane that we get entrance to hidden locations like video game level kek. Like they let us into offices with all women staff and shit and actually listen to us.
bruh how are all of our experiences the same. I have literally tried talking to people, alone in a room, and they ignored me 3x in a row. Like I was air. Or extreme hostility as you pointed out. I also had randos talking to me and it worked then. They even gave me free shit, money, clothes. When I was homeless, old people would talk to me and tell me their life story sometimes. There was no issue communicating then yeah exactly. I guess the holy spirit of social skills descended on me in that moment and gave me the gift of speaking in normie tongues 
1 word: Pussy
+ They don’t know it doesn’t work (for them)
+ Bluepill Naïveté about women
+ They don’t know it doesn’t work (for them)
+ Bluepill Naïveté about women
cold approach is weird
I'm approaching just to make sure I'm an incel and that I don't really have an opportunity if I approach
I'll never understand PUAs followers, they'll it doesn't work that way if they tried what they teach. So it means they didn't try, so why follow them and give them money?
Yeah this could've just been the title
Great thread
Cold approach is the last cope to fall because the logic is pretty sound: the percentage of women interested in me must be above 0% due to human variation, so if I approach enough times I will eventually find a partner. Its just a game of probability. But unfortunately the probability might actually be an absolute 0% for sub-5s which I find hard to believe because in all other aspects humans have such a wide gradient of variation.
Cold approach is the last cope to fall because the logic is pretty sound: the percentage of women interested in me must be above 0% due to human variation, so if I approach enough times I will eventually find a partner. Its just a game of probability. But unfortunately the probability might actually be an absolute 0% for sub-5s which I find hard to believe because in all other aspects humans have such a wide gradient of variation.
One of the best posts I have read on this forum in a long time. Hiroshima Nagasaki Blackpill after Hiroshima Nagasaki Blackpill.
It's over buddy boyos!
It's over buddy boyos!
Other than that pretty great post
it can be spun in such a manner that it appeals and "makes sense" to autists but make no mistake, it is by far, BY FAR the dumbest, most retarded way to try to ascend. not only is it unnatural as fuck, basically triggering fight or flight in the bitch, it's also very direct and schizo therefore all you're doing is presenting yourself as a complete retard in front of your entire community
yeah. to a random dumbass internet user 20 years ago, finding obscure "secret seduction techniques" from "dating gurus" might've felt like finding gold
hell, even normies if they fall for the cold approach meme will just get laughed at and conclude they're subhuman so anyone spouting this bullshit is ostensibly a fakecel who could ascend if he didn't try the single worst method of ascension
yeah, and the more retarded puacels arise the worse they will be treated. even if in the past you could potentially be classified as "brave", "daring", "gets what he wants", these days the prevailing view will just be of an autistic loser trying to emulate a youtube video because he can't get laid
exactly
True, you never want to be known as the guy, or more accurately in the case of the sub-5 the "creep" or "pervert", who's horny for every woman he sees (though, tbf this only happens if they're stupid and cold-approach in the same place over and over again).
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Your title echoes the sentiment I've always had toward cold approaching. Like how you wouldn't earnestly encourage struggling poor ppl to play the lottery either.
ovER for my not-mature-at-14 ass
ovER for my not-mature-at-14 ass
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Sounds a little incredible tbh. Is that even measurable?
probably not quantifable no lmao, but I like the illustration. Another angle you could image it from is that people with problems or mental issues need to constantly compensate for new situations. Autistic people often describe being confused and becoming accustomed to adjusting to new situations manually. So they may develop openeness to new experiences to cope with the world.
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Interesting. I adjust to big chances poorly too, yet that didn't paradoxically make me seek out the struggle. What might the rationale behind that be?
oh i doesnt necessarily make you seek out struggle, just used to adjust to new situation better than normal people. In one of tony attwoods books he talks about how autistic people are used to constantly adjust to situations as if its their first time, because autistic people have this thing where one tiny change makes everything seem completely different. This he claims gives them an advantage over normal people in emergency situations. Autistic people are basically in a constant emergency situation.
Another entrance point could be mental trauma causing perpetual distrust of other people and reality, leading to a quasi-philosophical mindset where everything is questioned and the individual goes on a potentially lifelong quest of trying to find certainty and security. It is worth mentioning that multiple great philosophers in history were war veterans, both among the ancient greeks (socrates, peloponnesian war) and in the modern period (Descartes, 30 years war). Hans Aspergers noted in his original case descriptions of autistic children that some had developed a philosophical approach to life.
People that suffer or have chronic mental or physical pain are also more open to new ideas or suggestions related to fixing their issues. They may try crazy diet or therapies.
So to get back to your question, its not about seeking out pain on purpose, but rather that having a diversity of experiences that differ from the norm makes you more susceptible to adopting a diversity of beliefs that are not normative. Self-awareness of this may lead one to question what is wrong with themselves, thus triggering the aforementioned everlasting quest for knowledge which grows the metaphorical gnostic bubble. Unsolvable problems are like an unquenchable fire that keeps torturing the affected. Peoples biggest problems become the epicenter of their entire being. Case in point, you and me are here, obsessing over women and relationships for years on end.
Another entrance point could be mental trauma causing perpetual distrust of other people and reality, leading to a quasi-philosophical mindset where everything is questioned and the individual goes on a potentially lifelong quest of trying to find certainty and security. It is worth mentioning that multiple great philosophers in history were war veterans, both among the ancient greeks (socrates, peloponnesian war) and in the modern period (Descartes, 30 years war). Hans Aspergers noted in his original case descriptions of autistic children that some had developed a philosophical approach to life.
People that suffer or have chronic mental or physical pain are also more open to new ideas or suggestions related to fixing their issues. They may try crazy diet or therapies.
So to get back to your question, its not about seeking out pain on purpose, but rather that having a diversity of experiences that differ from the norm makes you more susceptible to adopting a diversity of beliefs that are not normative. Self-awareness of this may lead one to question what is wrong with themselves, thus triggering the aforementioned everlasting quest for knowledge which grows the metaphorical gnostic bubble. Unsolvable problems are like an unquenchable fire that keeps torturing the affected. Peoples biggest problems become the epicenter of their entire being. Case in point, you and me are here, obsessing over women and relationships for years on end.
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Sounds plausible enough.
I can't quite relate to this passage. I'm not ensorcelled by gnosis like you and @based_meme nor do I feel like a problem is at the epicenter of my being.
PS ew justified text
It's a massive waste of time and putting yourself in shitty situation and humiliation. Never ask anyone out, unless you don't know her well enough to know her reaction.
Brutal social pillOriginally I wanted to reply to this @Stupid Clown thread:
But I decided to turn this into a thread on its own.
PUA revival
We're entering the new age of PUA. So many young men have been rejected and ignored on dating apps. All these young men are watching YouTube videos with thousands of likes that tell them they have an advantage by approaching IRL instead. There's comments with thousands of likes saying the...
Redpill/PUA grifters are memeing men into “approaching” women as they always did, but I also noticed that some people on this forum shame other members for not “cold approaching” women for a thousand times, saying that they haven’t tried hard enough if they didn’t do it.
I’m sorry – you went through public education like all of us, right? Do you frequent public spaces/are in proximity of people from time to time, or did you just got randomly spawned at the age of 20 with no prior experiences so you had to approach hundred of women to realize people don’t like you?
Sometimes I wonder if it’s some crab bucket mentality of sorts – “I needlessly humiliated myself for no reward over and over even though the outcome was 100% predictable, everyone else must do the same or they’re fakecels”. But anyway.
People aren’t individuals. All people fall into archetypes, including you. The people you met through various stages of education, the ones who didn’t want anything to do with you, bullied/mocked/talked shit behind your back – in general these are the same people, or rather the same archetypes of people that you meet at work, public transport, galleries and restaurants. The only thing that changed is setting and its decorum.
School was lord of the flies setting so people were free to show you just how much disdain they have for you + it was actually beneficial to do so in a place like this. Something like a work place has different set of social rules (unless you work in a mine with alcoholics lmao), once you’ve finished your education it’s expected of you that you’ll larp as this “mature” person, it’s no longer beneficial for people to openly show their disdain to you so they don’t unless they can “moralize” it somehow – “oh, I saw him checking his phone, he’s so lazy!/he was creeping on office lady I swear!” etc.
In general people don’t “mature”, their consciousness peaks somewhere at 14 and stays this way all to the grave (which is why the concept of “teenager/young adult” is so retarded, but that’s topic for another day) – they have same desires, same thinking, they just have to adapt to different settings. These are the very same people on the streets as there were in school.
But back to the main topic – these are the very same women who were disgusted by you in school.
Every single time someone tells a story about them “approaching” a woman and it lead to something, the woman in question already had an interest in them and showed it – nobody in their right mind goes up to an uninterested woman. We have studies on that:
Men don't Initiate Sex - An age old Fable quickly dismantled with Quotes (short thread)
"Most of the damage women do is indirect. If she only bats her eyes to induce a guy into a fight, nobody's going to blame her. Women do a lot of things that provoke and trigger responses in men. But nobody seems able to see that." - Herb Goldberg, Ph D., author of The Hazards of Being Male, in...
What happened in every one of these mythical “pulls” PUAs and other retards are talking about is that woman showed interest, they picked up on this and came up to her, and then later they retcon the story and pretend that they somehow managed to “turn” a completely uninterested woman with their epic “game” and skills and personality and shit because it strokes their ego and fits into “heros journey” narrative/mythos that everyone loves to craft about their lives.
“a woman showed interest in me and I embraced it” vs “my gigasigma game made woman who wasn’t interested in sex go for me”. What sounds “cooler” in retrospective?
How the fuck is approaching yielding results even supposed to work?
“Maybe she wants to find a man but didn’t look and so you coming up to her is easy chance for her” is the only possible explanation anyone could come up with, but holy shit is it retarded when confronted with reality. Women choose who they hang around with, where they go and what social settings they frequent when they’re looking for someone. Women have no problem getting into any given social setting, people are eager to have them around. They don’t need random niggas coming up to them while they’re minding their own business, they get their fix.
It’s easier for a woman to get sex than it is for me to order pizza. I’m not exaggerating. I have to take out the money, call the pizzeria, and it may happen that they have too many orders or the scumbags working there are too busy smoking weed to be arsed so I won’t get my order and there isn’t any other pizzeria around. A woman can go at any given moment on ANY dating app and find dozens of men ready for sex right now and pick through them.
Just how incredibly bluepilled do you have to be to believe that someone who otherwise didn’t had any luck in social settings he went through could find a woman if he pestered couple hundred of random broads?
Another thing, it’s actually dangerous for you to “approach” unless you’re at least HtN, and the uglier you are the worse it gets. Some HtN will most likely not face consequences for “approaching”, even if the women are uninterested they’ll just laugh it off.
Meanwhile, people subconsciously hate your sub5 ass, they want to punish you. You can actually go to jail for this shit and nobody will have sympathy for you. I asked out some ugly broad once in the town where I live and I was pestered/insulted by bunch of kids/teens she hung out with for the next 5 years lmao.
And now, final nail in the coffin – things I wrote extend to all socializing + people don’t actively go out of their way to find someone, be it a friend or a lover, it happens naturally on its own.
Just yesterday on a train I saw 2 HtNs doing some small with each other. Nobody paid attention to them talking among each other, meanwhile when I said something to my father several people looked at me with perplexed stares (same shit when I’m for example in a queue or any other place like a restaurant and say something to person I’m with – people around give me rude stares and even turn around as if I was some weirdo who’s talking to them).
Later some unrelated young girl sitting nearby asked them some question/did some small talk, and then later some female conductor did small talk with them as well. I’ve seen same thing happening dozens of times when hanging out with acquaintances. That has never happened to me lmao.
They didn’t jestermaxx, they weren’t doing any quips or innuendos, they weren’t tryharding or striking poses to look “confident”, they talked normally. A normal, pleasant human interaction just happened to them on its own.
Meanwhile, on dozens of times where I tried striking up convo with a random person – doesn’t matter if it’s some old guy or a person my age - like a desperate retard, it always felt forced as fuck, like a hostage situation. My favorite is when people ask me for a cig when waiting somewhere, I try talking to them and they excuse themselves and go stand couple dozen meters away. Needless to say I don’t give cigs to strangers anymore.
On the flip side, there were like, maybe a dozen of times in total through my 25 years of life where the other party was actually interested in interacting socially with me – male cousin when we were 16, some old guy on a bench in forest, some girl in elementary when I was temporarily assigned to different class etc.
Each and every one of these times everything flowed naturally. Suddenly my “social skills” weren’t a problem.
You can’t negotiate interest, you can’t draw blood with a turnip, you can’t draw honey from a stone.
The other party has to be interested in you, you need to have credentials – looks, voice, social status, reputation, there is no magic set of words that can make someone like you, this isn’t RPG game with right dialogue tree to choose.
What “socializing” really is is that people go to places where other people hang out, and human interactions happen on their own, naturally, without putting any conscious thought into “making it happen”. If you have to put any effort into it – you’re jestermaxxing, people are extremely sensitive about it, it creeps them out. You’re like a lost puppy that’s sticking to every passing person because it’s desperately looking for new owner.
If anything, people – both men and women - are nicer to me and more respectful when I do complete opposite of what bluepillers (be nice, listen to people, be funny) and redpillers (be confident, be bold, be "dominant") tell men to do and instead keep to myself, don't linger around anyone second longer than necessary, only do absolute bare minimum of social pleasantries and generally act like I want as little to do with them as they do with me – not rude, just detached.
I think what happens is that:
a) people end up feeling "relaxed" around me and so they stop treating me like hostile element (“that subhuman is not encroaching my space, it’s safe around him” is what subconsciously happens)
b) they don’t have full reference for what my social status is so they don’t go gung-ho on jestermaxxing/stroking their ego at my expense, they wait until I’m not around to talk shit about me
...whereas if I try any of the "just x bro" autism I end up making an ass of myself, either creeping people out or making them believe I entered social competition with them and they need to prove something. The SECOND I show any interest in socializing with someone it ALWAYS goes to shit.
If the “unknown person” is of the opposite sex of course we would like it. Problem is women dislike most men sexually like men dislike faggots
It’s interesting since before the flood humans lived for centuries and were said to reach adulthood at 100 with several puberties from 0 to 100. So it only makes sense that any human below 100 would be considered a kid. Also if i watch how people behaviour i hardly see any adults. It’s clear how modern humans are badly aged teens at any age
This is interesting but sorry i can’t read a page more of that faggot/ liberal septum cunt. A few pages in and i can tell this piece of shit is a smug liberal worthless whore. I just feel the need to punch her in the face with all my strenght.
If this is what non NT people are like i actually REALLY understand why Nt people can dislike them. As a non nt myself i actually am preferring NTs to cunt whores like her.
This piece of a roastie whore even used a man for the negative example and a foid for the positive one. Lol hope sandniggers take her
Human nature
This.
You nailed it.
There is no need to try and figure out if it's really over, if women don't approach you and the world's information and culture says you are ugly, that's the way it's going to be.
Fuck this world.
I think they perceive rejection in a very bluepilled way.
What I see - utter disgust and contempt. Hating to even have to tell me "no." I overstepped my boundary by just daring, and her facial expression will always give it away. 1 raised eyebrow, crooked lips or wrinkled nose moment and you can just tell you've just been a foul fart in this foids day. This gnaws at my depleted mental health, and my last ounces of dignity are departing.
What they see - GAHOOK! I just wasnt the right person for this lady, it wasnt meant to be! Shes simply taken or not looking! It cannot be that attractiveness is part of attraction, it has to be anything else!
What I see - utter disgust and contempt. Hating to even have to tell me "no." I overstepped my boundary by just daring, and her facial expression will always give it away. 1 raised eyebrow, crooked lips or wrinkled nose moment and you can just tell you've just been a foul fart in this foids day. This gnaws at my depleted mental health, and my last ounces of dignity are departing.
What they see - GAHOOK! I just wasnt the right person for this lady, it wasnt meant to be! Shes simply taken or not looking! It cannot be that attractiveness is part of attraction, it has to be anything else!
Fuck public education with no parental guidance tho'.
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