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So, this thread will probably be controversial, and perhaps some will accuse it being "Redpilled", but I don't care.

So I had made this thread yesterday:

And here are the results:



Most users from this board are youngcels, some who haven't even left puberty yet.

If you never bothered to to fix your most glaring failos (could be overweightness / "underweightness", or things fixable by surgeries), never approached women, never used dating services, never tried to have a decent life in terms of financial independence, and perhaps has some delusions that women will ignore all of that, fall into your lap and be attracted by your personality alone, you seriously need to rethink your entire engagement with the incel community and your status as an incel.

Yes, women don't need to do any of that to get laid. Yes, your "looksmatched" female counterpart won't ever need to put effort to find a partner, perhaps even someone who mogs her. But that's just how life is and in one way or another women always had it easier in those regards, and if you think we can single-handedly do anything to stop hypergamy you are delusional. You were born a sub-Chad male and you are bound to work extra hard in comparison to women and Chads to get what they can easily get. There is no way around it.

"B-but this is Redpilled cope, it's futile, everybody knows genetics is ultimately determinant, just accept that you lost the genetic lottery, and either LDAR or rope!"

Let's say someone here is unhappy with life to the point he intents to "rope", aka commit suicide. Which suicide scenario sounds more dramatic, and "Blackpilled" to you:

1 - A guy that never did jack shit to change the one thing he always whined about (his looks), and never tried to actually get a fucking job
2 - A guy who actually gymmaxxed (who got a peak athlete/bodybuilder physique), who earns more than $100,000/year, fixed most fixable failos (surgeries and softmaxing), but still cannot improve other aspects in his life because his genetic potential was doomed from the very start, everyone around can see you are a hard worker but still could not get what you wanted

Which one of these scenarios do you think it would make normies "Blackpilled"? And which one of those would make you think "at least I tried, no one can blame me, I have a clear conscience"?


And even if you fail leaving inceldom, at least you can make decent use of some of these "self-improvements". Through wealthmaxing for example, you can cope with consumerism and just fuck escorts to make up to the fact that you are unable to have sex with regular women, and people will perceive you as slightly less subhuman if you get yourself in shape for example. There really is no excuse to just "LDAR", as you would be missing out even some copes.
 
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I'm studymaxxing and moneymaxxing to arrange marriage back home, does that count?

Also, youngcels are a minority, an overblown issue: only 20% of users are less than 18-years-old.
 
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You're right, this is one of those "What's really blackpilled" debates.
 
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trying is the word here, indeed, trying doesn't equals to desirable results, nor that one is capable of it, let alone, that'll be a viable long term solution.
 
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Yeah. Too many words but i concur.

It's sitting on your ass and wondering why life is boring.
 
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Incel trait: having to "try"
 
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I can’t do much to leave because of this Coronavirus. All these normies breathing without mask and spreading this Covid respiratory disease, especially in gyms.
 
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the issue with the poll is that it is titled ,,what have you been doing" instead of ,,what have you tried". regarding ,,approaching" we're in a quarantine locked-in like zoo animals, don't be disingenuous.
 
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RetardedChinlet said:
Incel trait: having to "try"
exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
 
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RandomGuy said:
I can’t do much to leave because of this Coronavirus. All these normies breathing without mask and spreading this Covid respiratory disease, especially in gyms.
You can practice Calisthenics at home, and pretty much most office jobs can be done remotely these days.
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exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
There are far more benefits than "working hard for pussy", you can work hard to pay for your copes and even double down on them if you want
 
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I was wageslaving for jaw surgery but wasted all my money on dumb shit so i’m shit poor again.
 
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<human said:
exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
Baaaased someone gets it. I will never "try" because to "try" is to inflate the market value of females, which ultimately makes it harder for males to get laid in the long run, thus making it immoral. We must boycott. It's as simple as that.
 
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RecessedChinCel said:
I was wageslaving for jaw surgery but wasted all my money on dumb shit so i’m shit poor again.
It all comes down if your priority is "feeling well" at a present time, or if it's "leaving inceldom". If your ultimate priority really is ascending then yes, you should avoid spending on temporary pleasures and save as much money as you can for that goal
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Baaaased someone gets it. I will never "try" because to "try" is to inflate the market value of females, which ultimately makes it harder for males to get laid in the long run, thus making it immoral. We must boycott. It's as simple as that.
If you don't want to chase women it's fine, my point is that there are no benefits in LADRing, and there is no point complaining about women online if you aren't interested in them anyway
 
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Blackpincel said:
It all comes down if your priority is "feeling well" at a present time, or if it's "leaving inceldom". If your ultimate priority really is ascending then yes, you should avoid spending on temporary pleasures and save as much money as you can for that goal

If you don't want to chase women it's fine, my point is that there are no benefits in LADRing, and there is no point complaining about women online if you aren't interested in them anyway
stupid logic, why would you be here if you werent interested in women? LDARing is something youre forced to do not something you chose
 
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curryboy420 said:
stupid logic, why would you be here if you werent interested in women?
People in this very thread claimed it's not worth it to work hard to get pussy, which is something that unfortunately unattractive men are forced to do from birth. So if you are not willing work for it, then you should not be interested in them as it is something you cannot get. It's a waste of everybody's time.
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LDARing is something youre forced to do not something you chose
As long as you have a working brain, two pairs of perfectly working arms and legs, there is no reason to LDAR. You can at least improve your coping options through consumerism.
 
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There’s nothing I can do about my baldness and Tourette’s. Furthermore I have been alone for 27 years now. I am too salty and jaded to want a gf anymore. I hate women with every fiber of my being for withholding themselves from me. Now, There is more dignity in remaining alone than jestermaxxing and crawling to women and pretending that everything is ok. Not that I have a choice. But it’s imperative that one have relationships and experiences in his youth. I feel like I’m in a twilight zone episode now. Nothing can make up for my lost youth so i figure I’ll grind it out, salvage what’s left of my life, hopefully moneymax and move to a rural paradise, and if that fails I can always blow my brains out.
 
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SchrodingersDick said:
I feel like I’m in a twilight zone episode now.

brutal. I watched very few episodes and I feel like the best show I've ever watched. probably intelligence is plummeting in the last few decades so there'll never be something to pair that.
 
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SchrodingersDick said:
There’s nothing I can do about my baldness and Tourette’s. Furthermore I have been alone for 27 years now. I am too salty and jaded to want a gf anymore. I hate women with every fiber of my being for withholding themselves from me. Now, There is more dignity in remaining alone than jestermaxxing and crawling to women and pretending that everything is ok. Not that I have a choice. But it’s imperative that one have relationships and experiences in his youth. I feel like I’m in a twilight zone episode now. Nothing can make up for my lost youth so i figure I’ll grind it out, salvage what’s left of my life, hopefully moneymax and move to a rural paradise, and if that fails I can always blow my brains out.

I fully understand your points, and they are fair ones.
Notice how I never mentioned on the OP bluepilled sentences about how "everything is possible" or that "everything is fixable".
There are indeed issues that are way past salvation, at least in a sense of personal satisfaction.

I also get how some people have a hateboner for the unfairness that unattractive men face in comparison to their female counterparts. It's understandable and there's nothing we can do about it at least for now.
 
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SchrodingersDick said:
There’s nothing I can do about my baldness and Tourette’s. Furthermore I have been alone for 27 years now. I am too salty and jaded to want a gf anymore. I hate women with every fiber of my being for withholding themselves from me. Now, There is more dignity in remaining alone than jestermaxxing and crawling to women and pretending that everything is ok. Not that I have a choice. But it’s imperative that one have relationships and experiences in his youth. I feel like I’m in a twilight zone episode now. Nothing can make up for my lost youth so i figure I’ll grind it out, salvage what’s left of my life, hopefully moneymax and move to a rural paradise, and if that fails I can always blow my brains out.
Brutal
 
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Blackpincel said:
Most users from this board are youngcels, some who haven't even left puberty yet.
I've come to recognize that puberty can't give us the transcendence which many believe it can provide. The craniofacial base you're born with becomes apparent at around the ages of 3 to 5. By that age, one can easily determine whether the child is going to grow up to be attractive and acceptable or not. Take a look at this post I made:
Blackpincel said:
If you never bothered to to fix your most glaring failos (could be overweightness / "underweightness", or things fixable by surgeries), never approached women, never used dating services, never tried to have a decent life in terms of financial independence, and perhaps has some delusions that women will ignore all of that, fall into your lap and be attracted by your personality alone, you seriously need to rethink your entire engagement with the incel community and your status as an incel.
Sigh.. these topics on cold approaching and wealth accumulation have been thoroughly exhausted. The fact is that women today choose their mates solely based off of physicality. Your appearance is everything so if you're lacking in that to a point where even with self-improvement you can't meet their standard, then you're better off saving your effort in earning money or cold approaching. For men around 4 to 5 PSL, cold approaching won't work. Cold approaching only works for 6.5 PSL and above.
Blackpincel said:
You were born a sub-Chad male and you are bound to work extra hard in comparison to women and Chads to get what they can easily get. There is no way around it.
Again, you can work all you want, but if you don't qualify in the end in spite of all that work, there's just no getting around that. I worked hard for many years on my schooling and weight lifting, but none of those were enough because I was short and not intelligent enough. Genetic potential triumphs over effort every time.
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fixed most fixable failos
This is what you don't understand. Surgerymaxxing isn't a miracle. It can't take you from a 4 PSL to 6.5 PSL.

And most of us have tried but we were repeatedly made known by society through mockery, bullying, and neglect that we're not welcome, so what do we have left besides LDAR or rope?
 
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I personalitymaxxed and essentially became Patrick Bateman without the murders.

it’s definitely something to be able to speak with women, and only be treated with mild contempt for being subhuman, and to be treated by normies as another normie.

but ultimately left me feeling useless because it’s one of those glass ceiling things as I’ve discussed in other posts

I am living proof that “INCELS ARE ONLY INCELS BECAUSE OF PERSONALITY” cope is nonsensical
 
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the thing about surgery is that how much time wasted and money accumulated is necessary? at least any of you recognize that you may be able to undergone surgeries only as an oldcel right? would be mostly over anyway.
 
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'blackpilling normies' 'at least i tried' jfl why do you think everyone is motivated by smth that superficial? all i want is to kill my ego and float. im not going to be a willing slave tortureing myself for the sake of conformity and minimal validation
 
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wereqryan said:
I've come to recognize that puberty can't give us the transcendence which many believe it can provide. The craniofacial base you're born with becomes apparent at around the ages of 3 to 5. By that age, one can easily determine whether the child is going to grow up to be attractive and acceptable or not. Take a look at this post I made:
I disagree, I used to be attractive as a child. I only became subhuman once puberty hit me, my hair became shittier and my nose became bulbous (it wasn't before).
wereqryan said:
Sigh.. these topics on cold approaching and wealth accumulation have been thoroughly exhausted. The fact is that women today choose their mates solely based off of physicality. Your appearance is everything so if you're lacking in that to a point where even with self-improvement you can't meet their standard, then you're better off saving your effort in earning money or cold approaching. For men around 4 to 5 PSL, cold approaching won't work. Cold approaching only works for 6.5 PSL and above.
I never downplayed the importance of looks, in fact it was the object of greater emphasis in my post.
It's just that living on your mother's basement for the rest of your life will never cut it even if you are Chad, and through wealth accumulation you can pay for your looksmaxings whatever they are, particularly surgeries which are expensive, to get rid of your failos and become at least acceptable looking.
wereqryan said:
This is what you don't understand. Surgerymaxxing isn't a miracle. It can't take you from a 4 PSL to 6.5 PSL.
I had a surgery myself, and while it didn't give me the expected results, it certaily made me slightly less subhuman and made me a little more confident on, say, job interviews. It certainly didn't change much how women view me, but at least I can now walk around without expecting to have a negative impact for the looks alone.
I still intent to do further surgeries in the future, to actually become surgerymaxed.
wereqryan said:
And most of us have tried but we were repeatedly made known by society through mockery, bullying, and neglect that we're not welcome, so what do we have left besides LDAR or rope?
Work to cope.
 
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Some people here seem to forget that there are exceptions to the blackpill.

If you do any of the things to improve your chances, you'll never be Chad if you didn't have the potential to begin with.

But you will increase the chance of being an exception to the blackpill.
 
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Blackpincel said:
guy who actually gymmaxxed (who got a peak athlete/bodybuilder physique), who earns more than $100,000/year, fixed most fixable failos (surgeries and softmaxing), but still cannot improve other aspects in his life because his genetic potential was doomed from the very start, everyone around can see you are a hard worker but still could not get what you wanted
You kind of mixed everything together here. I make $100k+ in my IT job, I can work from anywhere, I have a decent degree and I believe my job market value is actually pretty high now (I had multiple competing job offers the last time I was going through interviews)

However it does absolutely nothing to my SMV or even just to the perception from strangers. I've recently been confronted again by some stupid random neighbor for being creepy/suspicious and generally for "not belonging here". It's all about looks, mimics, body language, some behavior traits that you cannot control that much because they are predetermined by your genetics. Needless to say, I have literally ZERO attention from females and the best reaction is just a polite short answer - usually it's a look of disgust and subconscious attempt to go away (just happened again today in a grocery store - that look on some preggo foid's face was better than thousand words).

In essence, I don't know what to do to be less creepy. I used to be an extreme fatcel, I decided to give it a try ("fatcel=volcel" idea etc) and went to a gym. I am by no means a peak athlete, not even close, but my BMI is somewhat lower now and more in line with the average American population. Still doesn't change a thing.

So should I really keep trying? For what?
 
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childhoodmemories said:
You kind of mixed everything together here. I make $100k+ in my IT job, I can work from anywhere, I have a decent degree and I believe my job market value is actually pretty high now (I had multiple competing job offers the last time I was going through interviews)
Same. Also IT.
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However it does absolutely nothing to my SMV or even just to the perception from strangers. I've recently been confronted again by some stupid random neighbor for being creepy/suspicious and generally for "not belonging here". It's all about looks, mimics, body language, some behavior traits that you cannot control that much because they are predetermined by your genetics. Needless to say, I have literally ZERO attention from females and the best reaction is just a polite short answer - usually it's a look of disgust and subconscious attempt to go away (just happened again today in a grocery store - that look on some preggo foid's face was better than thousand words).
Getting money won't magically improve your looks or lifestyle on it's own, but making a good use of it might. If you have failos and can afford using money to fix them, go for it. Genetics can fuck you over indeed, but there might be some minor undesirable physical traits that are fixable. There are of course limits in what surgeries can do, but if you feel it's an improvement anyway and you can afford it, there's no reason you shouldn't do it.

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In essence, I don't know what to do to be less creepy. I used to be an extreme fatcel, I decided to give it a try ("fatcel=volcel" idea etc) and went to a gym. I am by no means a peak athlete, not even close, but my BMI is somewhat lower now and more in line with the average American population. Still doesn't change a thing.
Average is not enough if you were born an incel. Unfortunately we need to go the extra mile in pretty much everything.

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So should I really keep trying? For what?
You tell me. What do you want? Do you want to get laid? If you are an incel, you need to put an extra effort no one else does.
Do you think it's not worth it? Then just use this "work" for coping and other bonuses if you still value your life in some way.
 
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I agree with your points, sadly i've had too much of a shitty hand dealt to me. not only was i 5'4 but i also had to be balding at 20 so there's that, i could make due if i had any chance of mantaining my hair for a couple of years. but if i have any by 3 years it will be a miracle, i also tried getting jobs but it seems imposible as no one will hire me except for shitty jobs that have no progress whatsoever.

Also somehow when i invest the litle money i get somehow it all goes downhill and i end up with nothing or loses, man im fucking tired already i think i was happy when i actually did nothing and played games vs now that i have to blow my brains up to find ways to make money in this shithole. all of the people i know have it so fucking easier than me in regards to everything, at this point i dont even want a gf i just want a normal life. then i can get going with a gf, but that problem comes later.

There's this friend of mine whos already doing a programming related job, who also is very atractive and has everything going for him. hell he's even 2 years younger than me and he thinks he wastes a lot of time. man i cant compete with that guy, is simple as i was fucked from birth and the oportunities i had were shit compared to him.

A lot of incels here are not only incels due to looks but also environment and external cirscumstances, a lot of people here have disfunctional families and shitty living environments, no shit that we're gonna have problems in life not even talking i n dating.
 
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childhoodmemories said:
my BMI is somewhat lower now and more in line with the average American population.
So still obese :feelskek:

Don't give up yet bro, you're not far from the goal if it's more or less average by US standards now. Leanmaxxing is worth it.
 
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I just hate and despise myself for being ugly and weak. But I'm working from 18 y.o. Also women can instantly tell if you are inceltier guy just by looking at you. I heard many times how they mentioned that I'm ugly or that's there is something wrong with me. It's impossible to fake anything or pretend. You either are confident, dominant and popular with females or you are not.
I also know a guy who has many female and male friends, very jobmaxxed, industrious, sociable, have encyclopedic knowledge but don't have relationships. He is also short, bald and small < of course this cannot be a cause of his sexless life, right :soy::foidSoy:?
 
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You need to become rich and then go for surgeries. I don't think not having enough money for surgeries is someone's choice.
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never used dating services
It makes sense only if you're a fakecel. JFL.
 
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wereqryan said:
I've come to recognize that puberty can't give us the transcendence which many believe it can provide. The craniofacial base you're born with becomes apparent at around the ages of 3 to 5. By that age, one can easily determine whether the child is going to grow up to be attractive and acceptable or not. Take a look at this post I made:

this is factual. most children are described as ,,cute" due to Neoteny; an evolutionary strategy for mammalian infants to be nurtured by the mother instead of abandoned, which can be fatal in case it occurs. however, one who's truly well versed in facial anatomy would be able of analysing and predicting whether a children will be unattractive or not. somewhere in 2019 (online) I had stumbled upon a Doctor researcher who works for a reputed Cancer Hospital. he clarified the ,,nurture versus nature" question for me.
 
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this is factual. most children are described as ,,cute" due to Neoteny; an evolutionary strategy for mammalian infants to be nurtured by the mother instead of abandoned, which can be fatal in case it occurs. however, one who's truly well versed in facial anatomy would be able of analysing and predicting whether a children will be unattractive or not. somewhere in 2019 (online) I had stumbled upon a Doctor researcher who works for a reputed Cancer Hospital. he clarified the ,,nurture versus nature" question for me.
I agree with that. Children are always considered cuter. But you can really analyze child's looks. For example, the size of one's jaw can be predicted (or maybe it's even one of the most easy traits to predict).
 
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It makes sense only if you're a fakecel. JFL.
You would be very surprised (and disgusted) about how many users here actually get matches on dating apps. Literally mentalcels larping as incels.
 
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Literally mentalcels larping as incels.
I hate them. :incel:
 
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Cope I know it’s over and LDAR
 
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Try once, I would say. A proper try, like 1 year gymmaxing and statusmaxing. Even if you are truecel, outliers are a thing.

You also should have the right to give up if you want so.
 
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<human said:
exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
what kind of logic is this
if you're incel, you're supposedly a genetic deadend, a subhuman with no physical appeal
you making demands on the quality of foid is the equivalent of a sheboon FDS whore demanding good looking guys only
if you think normies dont have to ''try'' then youre wrong and have rotted for too long
 
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kekfuel said:
you think normies dont have to ''try'' then youre wrong and have rotted for too long
Normies just fit in an find a gf, It comes naturally without having to force shit
I don't just lack attractiveness I don't fit in which is impossible to change
For normies "trying" is just socializing naturally without actively coming up with some scheme
If you weren't chosen or you just don't click with others you're gonna have to compensate with a bunch of other shit to get a foid and even then the relationship will have a shitty foundation
kekfuel said:
what kind of logic is this
if you're incel, you're supposedly a genetic deadend, a subhuman with no physical appeal
you making demands on the quality of foid is the equivalent of a sheboon FDS whore demanding good looking guys only
Foids on my tier and below smv mog me and have had way more sexual experience and lot of them are lesbians or volcels. If a guy can ascend just by fixing a few failos then that's one thing but even then he'd have to spend thousands of dollars on surgery for an ungrateful disloyal cunt. Women are allowed to have loads of flaws and guys have to not only accept them but simp for them. Doing absolutely everything to ascend is a stupid a mindset and doesn't reflect how dating goes on irl.
 
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Dial said:
Baaaased someone gets it. I will never "try" because to "try" is to inflate the market value of females, which ultimately makes it harder for males to get laid in the long run, thus making it immoral. We must boycott. It's as simple as that.
That's like a Jew standing in line for the gas chamber declaring he'll boycott German cars.
 
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My greatest effort will be temporarily leaving in SEA IF I inherit some money. Probably won't happen in 5-10 years (Currently 22) but I feel that as a white guy, even at 32 years of age, I would slay young prime foidsin SEA. I would just lie about my age if I found that to be a issue.
 
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<human said:
exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
RandomGuy said:
I can’t do much to leave because of this Coronavirus. All these normies breathing without mask and spreading this Covid respiratory disease, especially in gyms.
Meme flu
 
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Pikacel

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<human said:
exactly you can't be something you're not
even if your efforts mattered is it really worth going through all this shit for mediocre pussy?
breaking your back in order to fuck trashy sloots... cmon now
Jfl if you have to surgerymaxx and lifemaxx for a ran thru woman who isn’t even a looksmatch. That’s not ascending.
 
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I agree with OP.

If you never tried it's your own fault. The incel youtuber Just James was guilty of this, he spent his WHOLE 20s basement dwelling lol. But he acknowledges that it's his own fault and confronts it
 
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This thread should be stickied.
 
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