Agnostic rather than atheist tbh
Agnostic leaning theistic.
Atheist who likes old school, traditional paganism and, despite not believing in it myself, low-key hopes it will once again become either a significant force, or even the dominant majority in Europe.
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Catholicism isn't listed so I can't vote.
That's like pretending you don't need air.
This kind of attitude (Nietzsche, Stirner, &co.) is a pose hiding a multitude of idols (Chads mostly). One good example is F. Nietzche who was taking this pose for who would listen while at the same time simping for Lou Andreas Salome while she was banging Paul Ree.
That is a fanciful etymology. The word most likely comes from the semitic triliteral root AMN which you find in many different languages and has the general meaning of "believing". Example: Arabic personal name Amin/Amina = faithful/loyal. As used in the New Testament, "amen" is an Aramaic word which means "indeed" or "you can believe me"Interesting to note that the Christian phrase Amen as a verbal connotation is from the Egyptian Amen-Ra. [Also known as, Amun-Ra]
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By the way, I chose the "Christian" option in the poll but that is not entirely accurate. A better description would be re-reformed Christianity.
Now do the word El-
Israelites virtually adopted everything out of ancient Egypt, Babylon, and Persia.
Even Hebrew itself is nothing more than a copy of cuneiform.
Indeed he hadn't, modcel
.Also, not sure how widely believed this is, but I'm about 80% convinced that he was assassinated by the christians around him for what he was doing
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Derives from Ea, the Semitic name of Enki, god of Eridu in Sumer (Southern Irak)Now do the word El-
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Written Hebrew is a variant of the Phoenician/Canaanite alphabet, yes. However, in this case, the inspiration seems to be Egyptian (Proto-Sinaitic)Even written Hebrew itself is nothing more than a copy of cuneiform, there's nothing unique to Jews within their religious desert cult, nothing at all.
What is unique about Judaism is its insistence on strict Monotheism. Judea was the first state in the Middle East to be able to do that throughout a significant period. There were predecessors, of course, like Aknenaten and the Moon-God cult of Nabonidus in Babylon, but these had never lasted for more than the reign of their original promoter. What is unique in Jerusalem is the persistence of Monotheism over centuries (since the early Persian period, i.e. 6th century)
It is true that Judaism is mostly a channel through which many earlier Middle-Eastern Ideas were transmitted to us. To me, the Judaic experiment was a kind of prototype that was successful, although small in scale, but which became obsolete when the Christian "mass production" of the same ideas began. To me, it is neither right nor wrong, but it was indeed a critical step in mankind's religious development.
All the gnostic speculations of Valentinians, Sethians or Mandaeans would never have arisen without the Jewish and Christian precedents. It is clear that Gnosticism also draws on Persian and Greek ideas, but it could not have existed without the Jewish YHWH as its point of departure. Gnosticism is essentially a rebellion-masturbation exercise. In order to make this kind of thing work, you need a being to rebel against. The Judeo-Christian God was the perfect bogeyman for that role.
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Who put native indigenous beliefs that sounds interesting
Add Protestanism.
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Agnostic
You forgot to put scientology bro
Always have viewed that as a fake religion for the embezzlement of money and tax evasion.You forgot to put scientology bro
The religion blackpill: that's what all religious are for lolAlways have viewed that as a fake religion for the embezzlement of money and tax evasion.
The worst kind of religions, yes, but I wouldn't say all of them.
I don't like to call myself agnostic because I do care about value and reject absurdity, I'm just not religious. I can't label myself atheist because I know, in fact I believe there is a superior entity, a creator. the abrahamic god, allah yahweh etc must exist. I know some sentiments from different abrahamic religions could be true, I choose to not worship god fully knowing I am going to burn to crispity crisp. I do believe heaven and hell exist, there must be a universal court that exist, I just don't accept morals and values of such entity and find most of them contradictory and falsified. I don't believe true justice exists.
this is ironical because I am myself contradictory because I do hate those who believe in god like myself.
my motto about religion is: I know, I care but most importantly, I hate.
< me and most incels in the afterlife
this is ironical because I am myself contradictory because I do hate those who believe in god like myself.
my motto about religion is: I know, I care but most importantly, I hate.
< me and most incels in the afterlife
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my personal thought process about this is simple as seen, I don't like to over-complicate it. I do everything in life the most simple and easiest way possible. I don't like to follow things that I don't want to keep up with.I don't like to call myself agnostic because I do care about value and reject absurdity, I'm just not religious. I can't label myself atheist because I know, in fact I believe there is a superior entity, a creator. the abrahamic god, allah yahweh etc must exist. I know some sentiments from different abrahamic religions could be true, I choose to not worship god fully knowing I am going to burn to crispity crisp. I do believe heaven and hell exist, there must be a universal court that exist, I just don't accept morals and values of such entity and find most of them contradictory and falsified. I don't believe true justice exists.
this is ironical because I am myself contradictory because I do hate those who believe in god like myself.
my motto about religion is: I know, I care but most importantly, I hate.
I like Sigmund Freud find it interesting that in ancient Egypt you had a place called El-Amarna and that Israelites who came out of ancient Egypt worship a God El-ohim later creating the nation Isra-el. It's almost like the Abrahamic God isn't unique at all other than demanding people not to worship any other gods besides him.
Don't forget Ahura Mazda in ancient Persia concerning previous monotheistic models.
Christianity isn't even its own independent religion really, it is breakaway heretical Judaism repackaged as its own separate and different religion, Peter was against non-Jews becoming Christians, It was only Paul by himself that wanted to convert the gentiles.
Religious development to what exactly?
I am a pagan gnostic who believes in pagan gods, for me the demiurge is the Judaic Abrahamic God.
Well? @K9OtakuI like Sigmund Freud find it interesting that in ancient Egypt you had a place called El-Amarna and that Israelites who came out of ancient Egypt worship a God El-ohim later creating the nation Isra-el. It's almost like the Abrahamic God isn't unique at all other than demanding people not to worship any other gods besides him.
Don't forget Ahura Mazda in ancient Persia concerning previous monotheistic models.
Christianity isn't even its own independent religion really, it is breakaway heretical Judaism repackaged as its own separate and different religion, Peter was against non-Jews becoming Christians, it was only Paul by himself that wanted to convert the gentiles under Christ.
Religious development to what exactly?
I am a pagan gnostic who believes in pagan gods, for me the demiurge is the Judaic Abrahamic God. Elohim, Yahweh, or even Jesus is the demiurge. The original pagan gods were the real gods, someday in the future they will all return back.
That is a modern (Arabic name). In Arabic, "el" (or "al") is just the definite 3rd person neutral pronoun, "the". Akhetaten was the Ancient Egyptian name. Nothing to do with the Semitic word "El" (see below)
All these come from the Ea-derived word that came to mean "a god" in Semitic languages. It was widely used in Ugaritic, for example, long before it appeared in Hebrew. "El" was an extremely common divine designation in the Western Semitic area for a very long time.
Ahura Mazda is not clearly a Monotheistic god at such an early date (6th century BC). Mithra and Anahita were still worshipped as gods in Persia alongside AM for a number of centuries after YHWH had become a fully Monotheistic god in Jerusalem.
Absolutely, but this is exactly how all religions are formed; by "breakaway" factions. You can describe Buddhism (as breaking away from Hinduism) or Islam (breaking away from Christianity) in exactly the same terms. Zarathustra also led a "breakaway" faction of Iranian priests who were previously following standard Indo-Iranian Polytheism (Indra, Mitra-Varuna, etc...). Even Judaism is a "breakaway" faction of Canaanite polytheism.
Religious history, if you will
In antiquity, there never were any "pagan gnostics". This is a modern invention. Either you were a worshipper of gods from Greece, Rome, Egypt, etc. or you were a Gnostic. The latter did not recognize pagan gods. They had their own pantheon of "emanations" from the Godhead (most numerous in Valentinianism: Bythos, Ennoia, etc.), but they never worshiped Jupiter or Isis.I am a pagan gnostic who believes in pagan gods, for me the demiurge is the Judaic Abrahamic God. Elohim, Yahweh, or even Jesus is the demiurge. The original pagan gods were the real gods, someday in the future they will all return back.
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Myself inism
ex hindu atheist
In ancient times ugly low value males were probably treated much worse than today.Which is why my favorite historical period of religion and spirituality is this, it wasn't perfect by any means, but at least it didn't turn all of humanity into a spiritual or religious mass of groveling beggars.
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Nothing of that bullshit religions with Adam and Eva, Jing and jung... just Thats my religion... no not simple a religion.. its the truth! Because is reality and not a fairytale story from some cult gurus and Bronze Age morons. But what I like about the Mosaic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is that in Genesis the woman was made to accompany the man and not as an independent branch of creation. Unfortunately women have forgotten their place today and these religions are now too woke to stand by their own traditions. They allowing female priests, lesbian priests and even Islam is beginning to crumble in the face of feminism. In Europe in particular it is becoming softer and there are actually a few Muslims who claim that hijab is a voluntary matter. Allah, pleace send that trash to hell!
Thats my religion... no not simple a religion.. its the truth! Because is reality and not a fairytale story from some cult gurus and Bronze Age morons. But what I like about the Mosaic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is that in Genesis the woman was made to accompany the man and not as an independent branch of creation. Unfortunately women have forgotten their place today and these religions are now too woke to stand by their own traditions. They allowing female priests, lesbian priests and even Islam is beginning to crumble in the face of feminism. In Europe in particular it is becoming softer and there are actually a few Muslims who claim that hijab is a voluntary matter. Allah, pleace send that trash to hell!
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Gnosticism. Unmentioned so I just went with General Occult.
Zone Theory
Consider myself a pagan gnostic myself.
Born-again atheist
Yahwah Eloheem
IslamSo, I was reading an article that was doing their usual smear against us incels and then it stated somewhere that 60% of us are atheists.
I couldn't believe this listed statistics of theirs so I thought I would create an official thread poll here to find out.
With that all being said, what's your religion or lack of?
Perhaps, but women had no rights either where ugly low value men had an easier time getting with ugly low value women. Plus, obesity wasn't a thing back then unless you were super wealthy.
Wa alaykum
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God is a chad.
And he loves to bully incels like me.
And he loves to bully incels like me.
I stil think there is a good possibility that Akhenaten and Moses was the same individual. Most of the bullshit about Jews being enslaved in ancient Egypt there is no proof of, but if you're an exiled outcast pharaoh with a chip on your shoulders losing power then it begins to make sense.
Slowly overtime Aten becomes El-ohim and then Yahweh. My interpretation of history anyways.
Yes, Persian polytheism existed with Zoroastrianism for awhile, I guess where I am getting at is that there isn't anything unique about Jewish monotheism, other people had their own variations. The only thing unique about Jewish monotheism is its insistence that no other God be worshipped and that transgressors should be punished if they do.
In the Bible Jesus told his followers to call him rabbi and other similar instances, for me he was a heretical reformer of Judaism that mainline Jews rejected. The very terminology of the word Christianity didn't even exist until several hundred years after is alleged crucifixion. I think it is funny Christians think they have their own separate independent religion when in reality it's just another Jewish religious faction or affiliation.
Yes, I know back in historical antiquity there were no pagan gnostics, it's just for me as a pagan polytheist in my own interpretation of history I view the Abrahamic God as the closest thing that fits the description of the demiurge. That, and I believe the demiurge has transformed this entire world into a living hell. I'm more of a Greco-Roman pagan leaning more towards the Greek persuasion.
it was pretty close tbh. 54%
This is quite plausible, although Moses was probably not the same person as Akhenaten. He was more likely a priest of the Aten (the quasi-Monotheistic Sun-God created by Akhenaten) who fled the repression of Atenism with a group of devotees after the death of Akhenaten. That is indeed quite a likely candidate for the real origin of the story of Exodus.
Judaism is the first successful Monotheism, yes.
Jesus probably never existed. Christianity was created by Paul. Jesus was a composite character, created after the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, to flesh-out Paul's teachings and give them more popular appeal.
Again, all religions are like that. You have to evolve from something.
Just don't call yourself a "pagan gnostic" because it sounds a little stupid. Classical paganism and gnosticism had completely opposed views about the world. For a worshiper of Jupiter, Dionysos or Sarapis, the point of praying to the gods is to get help from them, in this world. By contrast, the gnostic thinks that "this world" is hell (bc created by the Demiourgos) and that he should escape from it, Matrix-style, at the first opportunity. The gnostic would never seek help from "the gods" because he thinks they are "of this world" too.
From what I read above, it seems to me that you are indeed a gnostic (thinking of this world as a Demiurge-created hell) and therefore not much of a pagan. You are not going to offer a goat to Jupiter to get a better harvest, are you? It seems to me that you are calling yourself a "pagan" just to spite Christianity. I think you should better not do that because it sounds more than a little childish.
Well, that's the interesting thing about Akhenaten, there's differing stories of what happened to him, some say he was killed and executed, other stories say him, his family, and his followers were exiled out of Egypt. Moses like a pharoah carried a royal scepter of Egypt.
Successful in that it would kill and slaughter anybody that opposed it, yes.
It's possible Jesus never existed at all, really wouldn't surprise me if he didn't, good luck selling that to Christians however.
The gods existed before the demiurge entered this world, the gods existed before the introduction of the Abrahamic God, and as I've already told you I view the Abrahamic God as being the demiurge.
No, I call myself a pagan because I embrace ancient religions and teachings along with deities. Sacrifice a goat for a harvest? Poor understanding of paganism and I seem to recall in the Jerusalem temple originally they did plenty of animal sacrifices in the name of Yahweh. Right, because believing in Noah and his ark is any less childish. You do realize I hate Judaism, Christianity, and Islam equally, right? Although, I respect Islam somewhat because at least it knows how to handle women better than the other two. One of the reasons I dislike monotheism because it is prone to arrogance with its false perceived notions of being superior to all other religions.
Gnostic history extends from Greco-Roman history, I believe in Greco-Roman gods and deities, it didn't exist in pagan classical antiquity, true, but if Greco-Roman paganism survived history I have no doubt gnosis would become quite popular within it. Ultimately I'm a reconstructionist mixing a sort of religious philosophy that fits my own interpretation of history whether someone like you considers it historically accurate is irrelevant to me. Sadly GrecoRoman paganism and all the other native religions of Europe didn't survive because your Judaic desert religious cult killed them all.
There was plenty of slaughter in those days. The Jews were no worse than their neighbors. Read about the Assyrians.
I am not selling that to "Christians" obviously
What you just wrote is nonsensical. How can the demiurge create the world if he first has to "enter' it and if "the gods" are already there?
Not classical paganism. You may be thinking about speculations about the pagan gods like those of Iamblichus. But that is not what is referred to as "paganism", generally. By the way, philosophical pagans like the Neoplatonists were against gnosticism. Plotinus wrote a treaty against them and his arguments make sense. As a pagan, he thought that "the world" was good and therefore, for him, the Demiourgos was a positive figure (like in Plato). Plotinus and his fellow pagan philosophers was apalled at the insults the gnostics were hurling at Him.
You are confused. All pagan temples around the Mediterranean and elsewhere were places where sacrifices were conducted for a variety of purposes: war, relief against epidemics and yes, good harvests. 99.9% of "pagans" went to their temples for such purposes. Speculative pagans like Iamblichus or Plotinus were a tiny minority.
Absolutely. YHWH was a pagan god initially
I don't believe in that. This is a Mesopotamian mythical motif (the flood) which was grafted onto the Jewish tradition when it was put in writing after the return from exile in Babylon. All this is interesting from an historical standpoint, not as something to believe in.
If you paint yourself as a "gnostic pagan" you look just as stupid as the people you criticize.
Why exactly do you hate them? Could you try to spell that out briefly?
Isn't gnosticism doing the same? Read the Nag Hamadi Library, you will see.
Again, it makes no sense to say that. You only look confused and ignorant if you insist on being a believer in Jupiter and in Gnosticism at the same time.
How could it? "Greco-Roman paganism" was about living your best life in this world. Gnosticism rejected that and wanted nothing but escaping "this world". You can't believe in those two things at the same time. It makes no sense at all
I am not talking about historical accuracy. What you are saying is just logically inconsistent.
Natural evolution. Survival of the fittest. Pagan cults were dinosaurs.Sadly GrecoRoman paganism and all the other native indigenous religions of Europe didn't survive because your Judaic desert religious cult killed them all off.
@K9Otaku
Sure, but at least the Romans when they invaded an area allowed people to worship their own gods with Roman ones. Not so much with God of Abraham, "Thou shall worship only me and no other."
The Demiurge didn't create the world and as everything extends from the monad, the Demiurge later took over all of the world perverting it for the worse, at least in my interpretation.
The original pagan gods also came from the monad as well.
There were strains of gnosticism that were pre-Christian so I really don't see how paganism is incompatible with gnosticism. Yeah, Plotinus at the time seen the world as primarily being good, of course I doubt he would feel the same if seen what would become of ancient world with the arrival of Christianity had he lived in that period.
As far as I know there has been no gnostics going around killing people forcing their beliefs on others.
Because they're all religions of Jews, I have nothing but disdain and distrust for Jews. And all the ancient cultures of Europe, northern Africa, and Mesopotamia were destroyed by all those religions. All of those ancient cultures and civilization of historical antiquity being favorites of mine, but cease to exist because of some delusional malevolent desert cult with a superiority complex.
I don't worship Jupiter or Zeus, I'm more of a follower of nature and chaos gods. To understand my belief structure one would have to understand ancient Attica.
If the world has become too decadent, destructive, or corrupt sometimes to live your best you have escape the world entirely. Not that I would expect you to understand.
Survival of the fittest and natural selection or evolution? I see, it's too bad that when the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem they didn't crucify every Jew in the city afterwards. Because if they did we wouldn't have to deal with the God of Abraham today.
Sure, but at least the Romans when they invaded an area allowed people to worship their own gods with Roman ones. Not so much with God of Abraham, "Thou shall worship only me and no other."
The Demiurge didn't create the world and as everything extends from the monad, the Demiurge later took over all of the world perverting it for the worse, at least in my interpretation.
The original pagan gods also came from the monad as well.
There were strains of gnosticism that were pre-Christian so I really don't see how paganism is incompatible with gnosticism. Yeah, Plotinus at the time seen the world as primarily being good, of course I doubt he would feel the same if seen what would become of ancient world with the arrival of Christianity had he lived in that period.
As far as I know there has been no gnostics going around killing people forcing their beliefs on others.
Because they're all religions of Jews, I have nothing but disdain and distrust for Jews. And all the ancient cultures of Europe, northern Africa, and Mesopotamia were destroyed by all those religions. All of those ancient cultures and civilization of historical antiquity being favorites of mine, but cease to exist because of some delusional malevolent desert cult with a superiority complex.
I don't worship Jupiter or Zeus, I'm more of a follower of nature and chaos gods. To understand my belief structure one would have to understand ancient Attica.
If the world has become too decadent, destructive, or corrupt sometimes to live your best you have escape the world entirely. Not that I would expect you to understand.
Survival of the fittest and natural selection or evolution? I see, it's too bad that when the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem they didn't crucify every Jew in the city afterwards. Because if they did we wouldn't have to deal with the God of Abraham today.
You still haven't addressed the main problem:@K9Otaku
Sure, but at least the Romans when they invaded an area allowed people to worship their own native gods with Roman ones. Not so much with the God of Abraham, "Thou shall worship only me and no other."
The Demiurge didn't create the world as everything extends from the monad, the Demiurge later took over all of the world perverting it for the worse destroying a great deal of the original natural order of things, at least in my interpretation.The original pagan gods also came from the monad as well.
There were strains of gnosticism that were pre-Christian so I really don't see how paganism is incompatible with gnosticism. Yeah, Plotinus at the time seen the world as primarily being good, of course I doubt he would feel the same if he seen what would become of the ancient world with the arrival of Christianity had he lived in that period.
As far as I know there has been no gnostics going around killing people forcing their beliefs onto others.
Because they're all religions of Jews, I have nothing but disdain and distrust for Jews or anything Jewish. All the ancient cultures of Europe, northern Africa, Mediterranean, and Mesopotamia were destroyed by all those religions. All of those ancient cultures and civilizations of historical antiquity being personal favorites of mine, but they all cease to exist because of some delusional malevolent desert cult with a false superiority complex.
I don't worship Jupiter or Zeus, I'm more of a follower of nature and chaos gods. To understand my belief structure one would have to understand ancient Attica.
If the world has become too decadent, destructive, or corrupt sometimes to live your best you have escape the world entirely. Not that I would expect you to understand.
Survival of the fittest and natural selection or evolution? I see, it's too bad that when the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem they didn't crucify every single Jew inside the city afterwards. Because if they did we wouldn't have to deal with the God of Abraham today, there wouldn't be any Christianity or Islam historically afterward either. A great deal of destroyed ancient cultures or civilizations might of flourished and still exist today had history been different.
- Paganism (including Plotinus and "chaos gods" like Dionysos) = enjoyment IN THIS WORLD (e.g. Dionysos = wine and sex).
- Gnosticism = REJECTION OF THIS WORLD and hope in escaping to the next.
If you want to be taken seriously, you have to clarify your position. I don't see how you can maintain that you adhere to both creeds at the same time.
Well, I wouldn't expect a follower of the God of Abraham to put one and one together, you're neither a pagan or a gnostic.
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Blackpillism is correlated with rejection of religions from my observations.Hmm, maybe they were right, maybe a majority of us are atheists after all. Interesting.
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Amen originates from the Hebrew āmēn, which means "certainty" or "truth".Interesting to note that the Christian phrase Amen as a verbal connotation is from the Egyptian Amen-Ra. [Also known as, Amun-Ra]
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Catholicism is Christianity.
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