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Totally understand what you mean.

But if they are able to get a girlfriend in the first place why are they cheating?
 
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ineedassistance said:
But if they are able to get a girlfriend in the first place why are they cheating?
Men want variety, always have, always will

Monogamy was created so that there could be a relatively fair distribution of women as a resource among men, it was for the sake of stability in society. Men don't innately want to fuck just one woman their entire lives, were not naturally monogamous, people need to stop believing in this lie that has been spread for all these years. There's no point in continuing the lie anymore as the social contract has been broken, the point of the lie was to coerce men to go along with the rules, and men did because it benefited us

This is another reason why I would never get married, I prefer asian women, but I think all women are hot. I would never want to limit myself to one woman at this point in my life and in this kind of society. I want to fuck a petite asian on Monday, and a thick latina on Tuesday, and a slender white woman on Wednesday, and a thick dark as hell black woman on Thursday, etc, etc lol

That's why I'm wealthmaxxing, so I can have these options. There's no point in limiting yourself as an incel man after all the pleasures you have been denied in life. The social contract has been broken, you gain nothing by abiding by the old rules of monogamy that existed for the sole reason of controlling women as a resource

Would I have been willing to commit to just one woman in the past, yes, I would have been willing to make that sacrifice if I could get a virgin wife and had a dating life (sex excluded of course), but that's not the world we live in anymore, for me the gloves are coming off
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Men want variety, always have, always will

Monogamy was created so that there could be a relatively fair distribution of women as a resource among men, it was for the sake of stability in society, men don't innately want to fuck just one woman their entire lives, were not naturally monogamous, people need to stop believing in this lie that has been spread for all these years, there's no point in continuing the lie anymore as the social contract has been broken, the point of the lie was to coerce men to go along with the rules, and men did because it benefited us

This is another reason why I would never get married, I prefer asian women, but I think all women are hot, I would never want to limit myself to one woman at this point, I want to fuck a petite asian on Monday, and a thick latina on Tuesday, and a slender white woman on Wednesday, and a thick dark as hell black woman on Thursday, etc, etc lol

That's why I'm wealthmaxxing, so I can have these options. There's no point in limiting yourself as an incel man after all the pleasures you have been denied in life, the social contract has been broken, you gain nothing by abiding by the old rules of monogamy that existed for the sole reason of controlling women as a resource

Would I have been willing to commit to just one woman in the past, yes, I would have been willing to make that sacrifice if I could get a virgin wife and had a dating life (sex excluded of course), but that's not the world we live in anymore, for me the gloves are coming off
Are you sure? I mean you are saying that now but if you actually ascended you would cheat on a women?

I would never. You do not mean this surely. I would rather remain a virgin than cheat.
 
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ineedassistance said:
Are you sure? I mean you are saying that now but if you actually ascended you would cheat on a women?
Ascension is a meme, its a raw deal, are there even any virgin women around anymore?

Like I just said:
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Would I have been willing to commit to just one woman in the past, yes, I would have been willing to make that sacrifice if I could get a virgin wife and had a dating life (sex excluded of course), but that's not the world we live in anymore, for me the gloves are coming off

I'd have no problem resisting tempation if I got a good deal, a woman worth resisting for, no such woman exists anymore so there's no point in playing by the old rules

Guys like you are like that guy who keeps using a character or build after it gets nerfed by the developer, but keeps complaining about losing :feelskek:

The "game" has been "updated", your old exploits and strategies don't work anymore, adapt or lose


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I would never. You do not mean this surely. I would rather remain a virgin than cheat.
You are deluded and underestimating your libido. A man sticking to one woman is a sacrifice, you don't realize that because you don't have any options (YET), if you had women throwing ass at you trying to fuck you while you were married (or you had money enough to pay to fuck virtually any woman you want) you would be tempted

Thinking having sex with the same woman everyday for decades won't get boring is like thinking you can eat your favorite food everyday for decades and not get tired of it, its a sacrifice that men in the past made because you were getting "quality goods"

Also because that woman preserved her virginity for you, YOU OWED HER YOUR COMMITMENT

No such deal exists anymore, again you aren't going to find a committed, feminine virgin wife anymore that's going to dedicate her life to you and give you children and maintain the home, you are going to get a woman that is trying to compete with you, who is masculine, believes bullshit feminist doctrine, and will probably cheat on you

But you go right ahead and keep chasing "ascension", and wife up some whore and see how that works out for you :feelskek: (the irony is you will probably end up in a sexless marriage)
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Ascension is a meme, its a raw deal, are there even any virgin women around anymore?

Like I just said:


I'd have no problem resisting tempation if I got a good deal, a woman worth resisting for, no such woman exists anymore so there's no point in playing by the old rules

Guys like you are like that guy who keeps using a character or build after it gets nerfed by the developer, but keeps complaining about losing :feelskek:

The "game" has been "updated", your old exploits and strategies don't work anymore, adapt or lose



You are deluded and underestimating your libido. A man sticking to one woman is a sacrifice, you don't realize that because you don't have any options (YET), if you had women throwing ass at you trying to fuck you while you were married (or who had money enough to pay to fuck virtually any woman you want) you would be tempted

Thinking having sex with the same woman everyday for decades won't get boring is like thinking you can eat your favorite food everyday for decades and not get tired of it, its a sacrifice that men in the past made because you were getting "quality goods", and because that woman preserved her virginity for you, YOU OWED HER YOUR COMMITMENT

No such deal exists anymore, again you aren't going to find a committed, feminine virgin wife anymore that's going to dedicate her life to you and give you children and maintain the home, you are going to get a woman that is trying to compete with you, who is masculine, believes bullshit feminist doctrine, and will probably cheat on you

But you go right ahead and keep chasing "ascension", and wife up some whore and see how that works out for you :feelskek: (the irony is you will probably end up in a sexless marriage)
I do not believe in marriage either. But it is no different from an open relationship if you cheat no? I would rather be forthright and declare it an open relationship.

This is not much different from the relationships at r/Cuckold
 
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ineedassistance said:
I do not believe in marriage either. But it is no different from an open relationship if you cheat no?
No it really isn't, men don't cheat they exercise options lol

If a man has sex with a woman that's not his wife, he still "loves" his wife, that other woman is just the "side chick" and he likely won't replace the wife because she serves a different more important role to him (so long as she peacefully plays that role)

However 9 times out of 10 when a woman cheats on a man she leaves him at some point, because women need to respect a man in order to be in a relationship with him, and no woman would cheat on a man that she respects

For men, sex is just having sex, for women sex is more of an emotional thing, this is why its so easy for them to leverage sex against men, because they aren't as thristy (especially when it comes to an average man)

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I would rather be forthright and declare it an open relationship.
If you are the breadwinner in the relationship, and you worked years and years to get yourself to that level of wealth and/or status, then you are paying the woman for exclusivity ON HER END, so no, if you "declared it an open relationship" you'd be a cuck, because you'd be paying for everything

The only thing the average woman contributes to a relationship these days (that a man wants from her) is her holes, I can't even think of anything else I want from a woman. So a relationship being open (as in completely open on both sides) is of no benefit to me because I would be footing the bill for everything and funding her lifestyle

She'd be home all day getting fucked by Chads while I'm working and then fucking a few other women in the hours I have free

That doesn't sound like a good deal to me at all, might as well just not get into a relationship at all (which is my point, there's no reason to get married or be in a committed relationship, or trying to "ascend" anymore)

Just pump and dump
 
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I always say that but sometimes even chads pay for sex, it's not uncommon. The reason? It's fun and simple. You see, for chad getting average and below average girls is effortless, but getting stacies is a little bit more difficult since they're in the same "level" so to speak. Sometimes they just want fuck a very attractive foid without much effort so they pay.
 
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BlkPillPres said:
I was treated well my first time and I'd argue ...

I'm sure you feel that way, but your experiences aren't universal and, not trying to be a dick, but just like the gen pop's platitudes to incels about how we should ... aren't helpful or applicable to a lot of us, the same holds for the advice of some of us for others of us. Great if you had good escorting experiences. Not so others. And it's not their fault.
 
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NearlyOver said:
I'm sure you feel that way, but your experiences aren't universal
The weird thing is that you guys expect that your first time is going to be this great amazing thing, ever think that I had a good experience not because my first time was actually that good, but because I went into it with REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS?

The experience for me wasn't great because it was just that good, it was great because I was relieved to no longer be a virgin and I went into this knowing that it wasn't going to be some amazing perfect experience, and then on top of that I came out of it knowing that it would take months or even years before it felt "normal" to me

You guys go into this with the mindset that you are going to have sex and for some reason all your mental trauma, personal hangups, etc was going to just disappear, that's why you guys leave disappointed while I left with a smile and a goal

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And it's not their fault.
Having unrealistic expectations is definitely your fault, one should be self aware enough to reflect on their own mental state and dial down their expected outcomes (especially if you are claiming to be "black pilled")
 
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The weird thing is that you guys expect that your first time is going to be this great amazing thing, ever think that I had a good experience ...

Speaking just for me, no, I never thought about what your experiences were or why you had them. Man, I'm happy for you that you had a good experience. I don't see why that logically implies that others should feel about escorting the way you do.
 
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I used to think that only incel tier men go to see escorts and massage parlors.

Far far from the truth. A lot of men that see those whores are already married or have girlfriends that do it for a hobby.

And from what I've read a lot of Asian men make up the clientele of these whores, literally making up half or more of the clientele of these whores when Asian men are only around 7 - 16% of the population here in SF, and smaller in CA in general. This is just the flat-out truth. It can't just be by accident that a lot of these whores say that half or more of their clientele are Asian.
 
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NearlyOver said:
Speaking just for me, no, I never thought about what your experiences were or why you had them. Man, I'm happy for you that you had a good experience. I don't see why that logically implies that others should feel about escorting the way you do.
1. They aren't going to feel the same about something they haven't done yet, obviously

2. If they went into it with a similar mindset and main goal (e.g. losing your virginity) they would very likely feel the same way

3. What you feel about escortceling doesn't really matter, at the end of the day its the best of all the options that you have to ever enjoy having sex, so you can spend the rest of your life on this forum complaining about being a sexless virgin, or you can choose from the options available to you, that's the only part of this scenario that has anything to do with "logic"

Its completely illogical to spend your life on this forum, making thread after thread about how unhappy you are and how "there's nothing you can do", when you have an option staring you dead in the face but you can't get over your ego to try it and/or you are unwilling to put any effort into making it enjoyable
 
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It would be too sad to lose my virginity at 30 by paying for it
 
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HumanTrash said:
It would be too sad to lose my virginity at 30 by paying for it
1. So don't wait till you are 30 lol (if you are already 30 I am sorry, you shouldn't have waited)

2. Whats much sadder is dying a virgin
 
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1. So don't wait till you are 30 lol (if you are already 30 I am sorry, you shouldn't have waited)

2. Whats much sadder is dying a virgin
Yes I am 30, might as well keep my wizardry now instead of using my money on a whore.
 
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HumanTrash said:
Yes I am 30, might as well keep my wizardry now instead of using my money on a whore.
You see this is where I start getting annoyed with incels, not you refusing to pay for sex, but you doing literally what I said incels do within this very thread :feelsseriously:
BlkPillPres said:
I keep saying this over and over on the forum, and I'll always repeat it as much as possible because its a fact:
THE MAJORITY OF INCELS FORM THEIR BELIEFS AND MAKE LIFE CHOICES
BASED ON MEMES


They do not go out into the "real world" and try to experience it for themselves to see how things really work

"Muh wizardry bro :feelsmage:, I'm a wizard bro :feelsmage:, take my life seriously?, why bro, better to just joke around and make life choices based on memes bro"


It just becomes tiring even talking to some of you

If you aren't going to take your own life seriously why not just kill yourself now?

Let me guess, another meme, "muh copes bro :feelsLightsaber:" :feelswhat:

You aren't thinking things through if you think these copes are going to keep being as enjoyable as they are now, as it starts to sink in over the years that you are running out of time

I think I'll end it here
 
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Tbh whatever floats your boat. Personally I'm not up for it because it would be personally humiliating for me to lose my virginity to a whore. It's not like I'm going to ever have sex outside of fucking a whore anyways, but doing so would irk me to the point where I would rather stay a virgin.
subhuman incel 98 said:
"Its not about sex. Its about getting love, attention and affection from women" :feelshaha:
This right here is mostly what I care about.
 
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Tbh whatever floats your boat. Personally I'm not up for it because it would be personally humiliating for me to lose my virginity to a whore
But ironically you'd "date" a woman that wasn't a virgin right? (I swear you guys love these mental gymnastics games but you speak as if "blue pillers" are worse than you smh)

Well I have news for you:

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This right here is mostly what I care about.
IT
DOES
NOT
EXIST


You guys are being illogical

You go around the forum using "evolution psychology" to validate all these different views you have about women that come down to "genetics", "biology", "biological imperatives", "chemical reactions in the brain", etc (you know all the catch phrases you guys like to use)

While at the same time you act like "love" is something that exists outside of biology and isn't dictated by biology

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

If you truly believe in the black pill and you like to quote all this evolution psychology stuff when it suits you, you can't then also play mental gymnastic games with yourself and believe that love is a real thing that isn't just dictated by the same biological reality that makes women like a certain height or facial structure

If "love" is dictated by these things, you can't act like its something "special" or "magical" then, that's contradictory, else you have to do the same with women wanting to fuck Chad

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

IF THE BLACK PILL IS TRUE, LOVE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST

NOT IN THE WAY YOU ARE PRETENDING IT DOES, AS "SOMETHING SPECIAL"
 
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BlkPillPres said:
But ironically you'd "date" a woman that wasn't a virgin right? (I swear you guys love these mental gymnastics games but you speak as if "blue pillers" are worse than you smh)

Well I have news for you:
If I wasn't an ethnic sand nigger and looked at least normal, yes. If any woman asked me out to a date, I would immediately be suspicious, because I've never gotten a single match on Tinder and I have been rejected multitudes of times, and got called ugly even.
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IT
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You guys are being illogical

You go around the forum using "evolution psychology" to validate all these different views you have about women that come down to "genetics", "biology", "biological imperatives", "chemical reactions in the brain", etc (you know all the catch phrases you guys like to use)

While at the same time you act like "love" is something that exists outside of biology and isn't dictated by biology

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

If you truly believe in the black pill and you like to quote all this evolution psychology stuff when it suits you, you can't then also play mental gymnastic games with yourself and believe that love is a real thing that isn't just dictated by the same biological reality that makes women like a certain height or facial structure

If "love" is dictated by these things, you can't act like its something "special" or "magical" then, that's contradictory, else you have to do the same with women wanting to fuck Chad

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

IF THE BLACK PILL IS TRUE, LOVE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST

NOT IN THE WAY YOU ARE PRETENDING IT DOES, AS "SOMETHING SPECIAL"
I'm aware for the most part, love does not exist, though affection and attention from women does. Both of which Chads get which I desire, but I, in my lifetime, can not, unless reincarnation exists and I become lucky enough to be reincarnated as a Chad. Sex itself doesn't satiate all my needs.
 
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For incels its different because we want female validation. Escorts/prostitutes will see anyone that can afford their price(usually) so there's no real sense of validation. And yes all men pay except for chad and tyrone that dont have to spend any money on a foid.
 
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BlkPillPres said:
1. They aren't going to feel the same about something they haven't done yet, obviously
Semantics. Point stands. Telling other people they should act like you to get sex is about as futile as "normies" lecturing incels about how to get dates. Far too much evidence in support of this to take seriously the counterargument.
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2. If they went into it with a similar mindset and main goal (e.g. losing your virginity) they would very likely feel the same way
No offense, but that's an assumption. There's no way to predict reliably whether people are going to be successful. Otherwise, one of us would have published a book/program by now and there'd be far fewer sexually frustrated incels. And I'm pretty sure you're not going to be picking up the pieces if someone tries following your advice only to end up in a worse position.
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3. What you feel about escortceling doesn't really matter...
That's a bald opinion. What "matters" is whatever happens to matter to a given mind. Cosmologically, nothing matters. But different things matter to different people. No one of us is the arbiter of what matters. Again, not trying to be a dick.
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Its completely illogical to spend your life ...
Logic concerns demonstrable truths. For the same reason X doesn't matter is an empty claim, asserting others' choices are "illogical" without understanding their lives, motivations, and the relative effects of their choices is meaningless.

I don't know if you're being serious in your threads here, or if you're a self-identified incel, or if you're one of these IT-like infiltrators I read about whose purpose is to foment discontent on this forum. And I don't want to make assumptions. But your arguments aren't at all convincing. You know your own life--so you're entitled to judge it. You don't know others' lives (here at least), so your advice rings hollow.

No offense, man, but we're not going to change each other's opinion, so peace.
 
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NearlyOver said:
But your arguments aren't at all convincing.
Literally someones response to one of my arguments today:
vansinnesdåd said:
I have nothing to add, or question. You've got me convinced.
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

This is also not uncommon, this has happened many times before

HERE'S THE THING THOUGH, YOU CAN ONLY CONVINCE SOMEONE WHO IS LOGICAL WITH LOGICAL ARGUMENTS

YOUR ARGUMENTS REVOLVE AROUND HOW PEOPLE FEEL (EMOTIONS)


So you are by definition illogical and you can't be convinced until you accept that someones feelings doesn't matter when it comes to whether or not a life choice is logical or not, ITS THE PROBABLE OUTCOMES THAT MATTER

I might FEEL (THINK) like marriage is worth pursuing in this day and age, marriage might be my current "motivation" for all my efforts in life, but, what is the probable outcome of an incel like me having a marriage that doesn't end in divorce and/or me being cheated on?.................. exactly.

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What "matters" is whatever happens to matter to a given mind.
Ok then by your logic personality matters a lot when it comes to getting sex from women just because a blue piller believes this

You know full well what you are saying here is completely illogical and you are just trying to be argumentative, you wouldn't apply this logic to anything in life

What people "feel" matters has nothing to do with objective reality

People can think whatever they want, the factors with objective value are still going to determine all outcomes within this reality, so you can go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that whatever "a given mind" believes holds value magically matters within reality, reality is not now going to bend to that persons beliefs, they are just going to get the short end of the stick

Just like all the incels who think "love" matters and keep chasing after that dream, they are either going to die virgins or end up being some woman's betabuxx provider after she's old and used up (and even then she'll probably be cheating on them lol)

OBJECTIVE REALITY MATTERS

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For the same reason X doesn't matter is an empty claim, asserting others' choices are "illogical" without understanding their lives, motivations, and the relative effects of their choices is meaningless.
You don't seem to realize that everything you're saying comes down to arguing - "Well I feel like this so those feelings validate my life choices"

NO

Ones motivations don't matter in relation to whether a choice is logical or not, because your motivations could very well be based on a flawed belief system

Again, perfect example, what if you are chasing after the "dream" of marriage while you are an incel based on your blue pilled motivations

Those motivations only formed because you were indoctrinated with false teachings

Your retard logic assumes that all beliefs that "a given person" happens to have are valid

Its almost like you conveniently forgot about the blue pill while making your arguments

Seriously how did you even type all this shit out without seeing the gaping hole in your arguments?, this is cognitive dissonance at its best

YOU - "FEELINGS MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING LOGICAL DECISIONS IN LIFE"

A logical choice has nothing to do with your feelings in any way, a logical choice has to do with data, its facts based, and it revolves around whether or not something is an OBJECTIVE benefit to you as a person

If you are a millionaire you could donate all of your money to some charity and go back to being a wage slave, no matter how good you feel about yourself afterwards YOUR CHOICE TO DO SO WAS 100% ILLOGICAL

Doesn't matter how great the cause was or how much you believed it was a "good" choice, you still made your life OBJECTIVE WORSE when really and truly you could have given a little bit over a few years, used that money to start a business to increase your income so then you could donate later, etc

In this case your decision was emotion based not logic based, your "motivations" or feelings about a situation has nothing to do with logic

Here's a simple question to ask yourself:
WHAT IF YOUR MOTIVATIONS ARE EMOTIONAL IN NATURE, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE YOUR LOGIC INHERENTLY FLAWED?

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I don't know if you're being serious in your threads here, or if you're a self-identified incel, or if you're one of these IT-like infiltrators I read about whose purpose is to foment discontent on this forum. And I don't want to make assumptions.
JFL at the guy basically arguing "feelings matter" saying I'm like IncelTears, between the two of us you are the only one sounding like a soft hearted liberal, you have on self awareness

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No offense, man, but we're not going to change each other's opinion, so peace.
JFL how convenient
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Literally someones response to one of my arguments today:
Irrelevant. This isn't evidence of a sound argument.
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... then by your logic personality matters a lot when it comes to getting sex from women just because a blue piller believes this
Distraction. I never made any claim about personality and marriage.
BlkPillPres said:
You know full well what you are saying here is completely illogical...
Posturing. If I already know this, then you're wasting your time repeating it.
BlkPillPres said:
you're saying comes down to arguing - "Well I feel like this so those feelings validate my life choices"
Again, not my argument.

I'm not interested in typically vacuous anonymous online invective. If you think you've uncovered some fundamental truth about human behavior or a way to help incels, then don't waste your time trying--and failing--to convince me. Publish it and reap the rewards. You don't offer any credible evidence to substantiate what you've argued as anything more than your opinions, so there's no value to me in continuing to read what you write. Have a good rest of your summer.
 
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NearlyOver said:
Irrelevant. This isn't evidence of a sound argument.
Nor was your statement that my arguments aren't convincing evidence of my arguments not being convincing lol

Its just ironic that I literally have convinced someone

NearlyOver said:
Distraction. I never made any claim about personality and marriage.
Your words you idiot:
NearlyOver said:
What "matters" is whatever happens to matter to a given mind.

I don't know how else you expect one to interpret such a statement, you are literally stating that whatever someone thinks matters is what matters, and my response to that is NO, ones personal feelings on what they THINK matters has no baring on what OBJECTIVELY matters in reality (as in real world outcomes)
 
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